X-Windows I kinda agree with, that's a bit annoying. UNIX has version names & numbers, and Linux has version numbers and distro names. If Red Hat released "Red Hat Linux Version X" then yeah, that'd be annoying. XTreme UNIX? Very annoying.
You know why it's called a version number? Because it should be a number. What comes after OSX? Is it all of a sudden back to OS11? OSY? Or is it OSX.2? Or OSX2? (It's just an example, don't bother--point is, it's inherently inconsistent and confusing).
Bull. They will not buy the new versions. You ever seen the US government try to get any kind of software up to date (I can only guess it's the same for sufficiently large corporations)? That's been a constant source of grief for us. It's the nonstop stream of fancy-ass versions that are a bigger pain.
BTW, I'm just arguing that point-- I agree that 100% import is important, just not that it's easy (or even possible) to achieve version synchronicity among large groups of people. But then, that's an infrastructure flaw as much as anything else.
I am getting good and sick of every other product off the line having an "X" in it. Back in the day, it was true that products ending in "X" were easier for consumers to remember (Xerox, Kotex). Now, given that consumers have grown up a bit, it just looks silly.
I am also sick of the use of the word "extreme." I do not want the Extreme Value Combo, I do not want to watch Extreme Television, I do not want to be a part of Extreme Programming. It's even worse when they use Xtreme. It was sorta cool during the (first) X-Games. After that, it just got lame.
It's even got to the point where X as a substitute for 10 is unacceptable, simply because it looks dumb. Do not say "Version X," please say "Version 10."
Everyone: do the world a favor and pull a "Clinton-exit-manuever" on the marketers in your office: sneak in after they leave and pry the "X" keys off of their keyboards. Thank you.
Yowza. Doesn't that last paragraph sorta defeat the purpose of the internet? I kind of see it like a computing Darwinism (not that this is ideal, but this is how it looks to me). That is, if you want to put your content on the internet, you should either a) know how to secure it, b) pay someone (i.e., a reputable hosting company) who knows how, or c) be prepared to get shafted.
There's also the age old question of logistics. How do you require anything of anybody living in a foriegn country whose government couldn't care less about some faceless citizen sending out viruses faster than a two-dollar hooker, or who leaves his smtp server open? We'll need a "world government" before we can approach that one. And that might be a long time coming. The kind of control you're talking about seems to be way too centralized to me (yes, I know that's your point).
Of course there's always vigilante action. Who's with me in forming a coalition of superheros who travel the globe, righting wrongs and avenging bad computing practices? ARRR!
Why shouldn't they bitch? The state of technology is such that (if I didn't have cable) I'd bitch about my dialup, too. I'm a geek. I have NO patience for slow connections. If anything, I expect them to be faster. I certainly understand why they're slow, but I also know why they should be faster than they are. I should also be able to fly my car to work in the morning, but what the hell.
of course, you mention nothing about the lifestyle of cows
By popular demand, reasons cows have it better than me:
I don't get my nipples tweaked every day
When I die, I'll probably get buried or burned up. The noble cows lives his life knowing that when he dies, it is an honorable sacrifice so that I can eat steak, glue things together, and feed my dog.
Cows are more famous than me. They get those hilarious, "It's the cheese!" spots. I've never even been on TV.
I don't have cud. That would save me at least $70 per year on bubble gum.
If I could fart like cow, I could light them and it would be like the dawn of apocalypse. Cool!
Four stomachs! Bring that extra slice of pie on, baby!
Okay, we're getting closer. Your attitude is the correct one, and I agree with you 100% right up until your last sentence! I especially like the magic-bullet part-- you're right: there's no such thing.
To answer your questions, during heavy-lifting phases, I shoot for 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight daily. During maintenance phases, I drop that to around.8 to 1 gram per pound of body weight. And of course I don't build that much. I think that getting the 2500-3000 calories (if not more) daily that it takes to keep me going would be very inconvenient if I left out animal protein. It might be possible, but I will not give up barbecued steak, chicken breast, salmon, swordfish, tuna, etc. without a damn good fight. I don't want to take in that many carbohydrates, as they have (if you're not careful) deleterious effects on body composition. I usually shooot for 30 g of carbs on non-lifting days, and 70 on lifting days (because muscles are more receptive to insulin-carried glucose immediately following a lifting session and those extra 40g come from a post-workout shake (containing milk, no less!)). I also do tablespoon-sized shots of olive oil, or alternatively fish- or flaxseed-oil supps.
But again, all of this is "what works for me" after lots of experimenting, diet tweaking, and weight lifting.
We obviously need to define healthy. I am a college student, with all of the irresponsibilities and naivete that come with it. My definition of "healthy" at the moment is "looks good naked." And I don't mean "movie star" good or "Calista Flockheart" good, I mean "pro-athlete" good (think Mark McGuire, Mohammed Ali, Lou Ferrigno). I'm not quite there, but gimme a few years.
Getting carried away with myself? Hell, yeah. I do that a lot. Why do I keep getting modded up? *shrug* People like assholes?
"Bulking up" does not mean getting "obece;" I never said anything about fat gain. By bulking up, I meant "the intentional gain of muscle mass." And remember I said "cheap." A bony college kid might not be able to afford steak, tuna, and chicken every night of the week (not to mention breakfast & lunch), let alone the protein supplements (powders, bars, etc.) that it takes to get a pro-athlete-looking body. But he can damn sure afford a week's worth of milk and a coupla dozen eggs as a supplement. That's all I meant with that one.
The "milk" part of dairy I will give you as being unhealthy, you partly convinced me there. But cottage cheese is an excellent source of protein, and your body handles it differently than milk. The active cultures in yogurt are great for you. Dairy, by and large, is good. Meat, even more by and large, is good (you don't see many vegetarian bodybuilders). As far as "healthy alternatives," I hope you don't mean soy products. I hope that what you meant to say was "red meat," to which I agree that rib and liver meat should be eaten in small amounts, but eat the rest of the cow in one sitting, if you want. Poultry and (fatty) fish are good alternatives to red meat. But that's offtopic.
Sorry about not linking to webpages, but I'm pretty sure that the you can't read the scientific journals online without a subscription anyways-- I attend SDSU and so can read whatever journals look interesting in between classes. I didn't bother looking for supporting web sites because I think the peer review that happens in journals is important.
Basically, I think we've shown two things here. First, that you can find independent, well-researched, scientific publications to back any claim. Second, it varies so much by person that you really need to find what works for you.
Milk works for me: It's a cheap source of protein, I can tolerate lactose, and the fact that it's sugar doesn't bother me since I "budget" for it in my diet. I'm in good shape, and I drink lots of milk. Some people would get fat drinking it, some people just don't like it, some people are worried about contaminants, other people have other reasons. Bottom line is, do what works for you personally.
I take a calcium carbonate (TUMS, basically)/potassium supplement because I like what studies say about its role in maintaining body composition. Call it an experiment. I'll let you know how it goes in a few months. I agree that bone density is adequately maintained solely through weight lifting (which is the best way to "take care of yourself" IMO) and that calcium supplementing is not necessary for that purpose. Pretty soon, I'll know whether this "works" for me too. And that's really the whole point, isn't it? To figure out what makes you look good naked, and how get there, and how to maintain it. Different people, different requirements.
Given the choice between a 12 year Harvard study of 78,000 women VS the superstitions of "Old-school bodybuilders", I prefer to believe in one more than the other.
Agreed, unless I'm in the bulking phase of preparing for a competition. Then I'll listen to the pros over the scientists.
so none in the diet is best
Dietary cholesterol has been shown to have little or no effect on total cholesterol. See
Reaven GM, et al. "Insulin resistance, dietary cholesterol, and cholesterol concentration in postmenopausal women." Metabolism 2001 May;50(5):594-7 or Bowman MP, et al. "Effect of dietary fat and cholesterol on plasma lipids and lipoprotein fractions in normolipidemic men." J Nutr 1988 May;118(5):555-60 Saying "none in the diet is best" is kinda silly. While we can synthesize cholesterol (up to a point), we can't generate the rest of the steroid family (including cholesterol, testosterone, the estrogens, progesterone, aldosterone and cortisol) without intake of the "essential fatty acids," hence the name "essential." My point here is that it's much easier to get 'em in decent amount if you're not needlessly worrying about dietary cholesterol.
I agree with your third paragraph, up to a certain point. See Kerstetter JE, O'Brien KO, Insogna KL. "Dietary protein affects intestinal calcium absorption." Am J Clin Nutr 1998 Oct;68(4):859-65 for why a high protein diet may actually increase calcium absorption.
I'd be more inclined to believe what's in your sig if that site wasn't advocating alternatives that are even worse.
Soy protein is horrible, I repeat, horrible for men. It increases estrogen levels like crazy, and reduces testosterone counts. Tofu suppresses testosterone levels even more effectively than a low-fat diet. (You know why all the guys that hang out in front of health food stores don't look healthy? It's because of low-fat diets. High-fat diets are completely healthy and increase testosterone levels, whereas lowfat diets suppress them). If you're eating tofu and not enough good, old-fashioned fat (mostly from sources such as olive oil, but animal fat is also important) you're going to have chronically suppressed testosterone levels. Along with increased estrogen levels.
Nice breasts, dude.
Next, the site advocates a dairy-free diet. While it's true that pasteurized milk causes (in some people) milk allergies and lactose intolerance, as well as having an astronomical insulin index, milk products like cottage cheese behave entirely differently in your body. Yogurt, for example, has active cultures which are good to the point that they help with both diahrrea and constipation.
Bottom line is that for some people (skinny teenagers and guys (girls, too) trying to bulk up), milk is the ultimate weight-gainer. Good mix of macros. Cheap. For other people, the carb (sugar) content is a bit much. It's way too dependent on body-type and lifestyle to say "Milk sucks."
Junk food if you're lazy. Old-school bodybuilders (back when they were cool, not the dorks on the covers of shit like MuscleMag and Flex nowadays) used to recommend a gallon of milk per day due to a good mix of protein, carbs (lactose is NOT as bad as fructose, sucrose, etc.) and fat. True, most of us would just get fat on a full gallon per day, but milk's fine.
Dairy products do contain calcium, but it is accompanied by animal proteins, lactose sugar, animal growth factors, occasional drugs and contaminants, and a substantial amount of fat and cholesterol in all but the defatted versions.
They say "substantial amount of fat and cholesterol" like that's a bad thing. Eating fat does not make you fat. Studies have shown (I'll cite them, if you really want) that diets in excess of 70% fat can still result in fat loss (and that's without ANY cardio--nothing but weight lifting 3-4 times per week). Cholesterol is extremely important in building testosterone, estrogen, growth hormone, lots of others. Low cholesterol=low testosterone in men, which is very bad. As far as "occasional drugs and contaminants," that's no different than any other food-- buy the good stuff, not the crap. If you're in good shape, your body can handle whatever you throw at it.
If you're really worried about calcium, take a calcium carbonate supplement. It's the kind most easily absorbed by the body. Follow that with a potassium supplement (most multivitamins are low in potassium) to aid in calcium abbsorption and you're good to go.
In On Writing Steve King has a section on grammar, saying that American English isn't as sturdy as British English, and that "a British advertising exec with a good education can make an ad for ribbed condoms sound like the Magna gaddamn Carta." That always cracked me up.
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Really? That sucks. I always hoped it was a true story. Made me like Bill all the more.
You know why it's called a version number? Because it should be a number. What comes after OSX? Is it all of a sudden back to OS11? OSY? Or is it OSX.2? Or OSX2? (It's just an example, don't bother--point is, it's inherently inconsistent and confusing).
BTW, I'm just arguing that point-- I agree that 100% import is important, just not that it's easy (or even possible) to achieve version synchronicity among large groups of people. But then, that's an infrastructure flaw as much as anything else.
I am also sick of the use of the word "extreme." I do not want the Extreme Value Combo, I do not want to watch Extreme Television, I do not want to be a part of Extreme Programming. It's even worse when they use Xtreme. It was sorta cool during the (first) X-Games. After that, it just got lame.
It's even got to the point where X as a substitute for 10 is unacceptable, simply because it looks dumb. Do not say "Version X," please say "Version 10."
Everyone: do the world a favor and pull a "Clinton-exit-manuever" on the marketers in your office: sneak in after they leave and pry the "X" keys off of their keyboards. Thank you.
That's not why it's called a "floppy drive," numbnuts.
Jimi Hendrix. Hunter Thompson. Not visual art, but what the hell.
The bartender says, "Hey, I've never had a grasshopper in my bar before. I'm gonna name a drink after you!"
And the grasshopper says, "You're going to name a drink 'Bruce'?"
Gnut the Gnup up, you Gnass.
Apples! Very small stones! Churches! CHURCHES!
How do you buy beer? Smokes? Open a bank account? Just curious.
That's it! Flash is just like a D.R.E.!
There's also the age old question of logistics. How do you require anything of anybody living in a foriegn country whose government couldn't care less about some faceless citizen sending out viruses faster than a two-dollar hooker, or who leaves his smtp server open? We'll need a "world government" before we can approach that one. And that might be a long time coming. The kind of control you're talking about seems to be way too centralized to me (yes, I know that's your point).
Of course there's always vigilante action. Who's with me in forming a coalition of superheros who travel the globe, righting wrongs and avenging bad computing practices? ARRR!
The bartender say, "Sir, did you know you have a steering wheel down the front of your pants?"
And the pirate says, "Yarr, it's driving me nuts!"
How's he gonna be?
Why shouldn't they bitch? The state of technology is such that (if I didn't have cable) I'd bitch about my dialup, too. I'm a geek. I have NO patience for slow connections. If anything, I expect them to be faster. I certainly understand why they're slow, but I also know why they should be faster than they are. I should also be able to fly my car to work in the morning, but what the hell.
Dude, lay off the line breaks. You
are
not
a
poet.
I think #5 is my favorite.
Agreed. Nicely put, and way to watch out for the little guy (no pun intended).
To answer your questions, during heavy-lifting phases, I shoot for 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight daily. During maintenance phases, I drop that to around .8 to 1 gram per pound of body weight. And of course I don't build that much. I think that getting the 2500-3000 calories (if not more) daily that it takes to keep me going would be very inconvenient if I left out animal protein. It might be possible, but I will not give up barbecued steak, chicken breast, salmon, swordfish, tuna, etc. without a damn good fight. I don't want to take in that many carbohydrates, as they have (if you're not careful) deleterious effects on body composition. I usually shooot for 30 g of carbs on non-lifting days, and 70 on lifting days (because muscles are more receptive to insulin-carried glucose immediately following a lifting session and those extra 40g come from a post-workout shake (containing milk, no less!)). I also do tablespoon-sized shots of olive oil, or alternatively fish- or flaxseed-oil supps.
But again, all of this is "what works for me" after lots of experimenting, diet tweaking, and weight lifting.
Getting carried away with myself? Hell, yeah. I do that a lot. Why do I keep getting modded up? *shrug* People like assholes?
"Bulking up" does not mean getting "obece;" I never said anything about fat gain. By bulking up, I meant "the intentional gain of muscle mass." And remember I said "cheap." A bony college kid might not be able to afford steak, tuna, and chicken every night of the week (not to mention breakfast & lunch), let alone the protein supplements (powders, bars, etc.) that it takes to get a pro-athlete-looking body. But he can damn sure afford a week's worth of milk and a coupla dozen eggs as a supplement. That's all I meant with that one.
Sorry about not linking to webpages, but I'm pretty sure that the you can't read the scientific journals online without a subscription anyways-- I attend SDSU and so can read whatever journals look interesting in between classes. I didn't bother looking for supporting web sites because I think the peer review that happens in journals is important.
Basically, I think we've shown two things here. First, that you can find independent, well-researched, scientific publications to back any claim. Second, it varies so much by person that you really need to find what works for you.
Milk works for me: It's a cheap source of protein, I can tolerate lactose, and the fact that it's sugar doesn't bother me since I "budget" for it in my diet. I'm in good shape, and I drink lots of milk. Some people would get fat drinking it, some people just don't like it, some people are worried about contaminants, other people have other reasons. Bottom line is, do what works for you personally.
I take a calcium carbonate (TUMS, basically)/potassium supplement because I like what studies say about its role in maintaining body composition. Call it an experiment. I'll let you know how it goes in a few months. I agree that bone density is adequately maintained solely through weight lifting (which is the best way to "take care of yourself" IMO) and that calcium supplementing is not necessary for that purpose. Pretty soon, I'll know whether this "works" for me too. And that's really the whole point, isn't it? To figure out what makes you look good naked, and how get there, and how to maintain it. Different people, different requirements.
Reaven GM, et al. "Insulin resistance, dietary cholesterol, and cholesterol concentration in postmenopausal women." Metabolism 2001 May;50(5):594-7
or
Bowman MP, et al. "Effect of dietary fat and cholesterol on plasma lipids and lipoprotein fractions in normolipidemic men." J Nutr 1988 May;118(5):555-60
Saying "none in the diet is best" is kinda silly. While we can synthesize cholesterol (up to a point), we can't generate the rest of the steroid family (including cholesterol, testosterone, the estrogens, progesterone, aldosterone and cortisol) without intake of the "essential fatty acids," hence the name "essential." My point here is that it's much easier to get 'em in decent amount if you're not needlessly worrying about dietary cholesterol.
I agree with your third paragraph, up to a certain point. See Kerstetter JE, O'Brien KO, Insogna KL. "Dietary protein affects intestinal calcium absorption." Am J Clin Nutr 1998 Oct;68(4):859-65 for why a high protein diet may actually increase calcium absorption.
Soy protein is horrible, I repeat, horrible for men. It increases estrogen levels like crazy, and reduces testosterone counts. Tofu suppresses testosterone levels even more effectively than a low-fat diet. (You know why all the guys that hang out in front of health food stores don't look healthy? It's because of low-fat diets. High-fat diets are completely healthy and increase testosterone levels, whereas lowfat diets suppress them). If you're eating tofu and not enough good, old-fashioned fat (mostly from sources such as olive oil, but animal fat is also important) you're going to have chronically suppressed testosterone levels. Along with increased estrogen levels.
Nice breasts, dude.
Next, the site advocates a dairy-free diet. While it's true that pasteurized milk causes (in some people) milk allergies and lactose intolerance, as well as having an astronomical insulin index, milk products like cottage cheese behave entirely differently in your body. Yogurt, for example, has active cultures which are good to the point that they help with both diahrrea and constipation.
Bottom line is that for some people (skinny teenagers and guys (girls, too) trying to bulk up), milk is the ultimate weight-gainer. Good mix of macros. Cheap. For other people, the carb (sugar) content is a bit much. It's way too dependent on body-type and lifestyle to say "Milk sucks."
If you're really worried about calcium, take a calcium carbonate supplement. It's the kind most easily absorbed by the body. Follow that with a potassium supplement (most multivitamins are low in potassium) to aid in calcium abbsorption and you're good to go.
Wow, how did that ramble get started?
In On Writing Steve King has a section on grammar, saying that American English isn't as sturdy as British English, and that "a British advertising exec with a good education can make an ad for ribbed condoms sound like the Magna gaddamn Carta." That always cracked me up.