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Disney Completes Dali Animation
jbottero writes "Wired News has an interesting piece on a Salvador Dali animation coming out of Disney Studios. It seems that in 1946, Walt Disney and Dali teamed up on a short film called Destino. The film was shelved for money reason, and now, 57 years later, Disney animators has finished what Dali started. The six minute film will be shown in theaters next year before a Disney feature film. The remnants of the aborted film include 150 storyboards, drawings and paintings, which have sat for the last half-century in the Disney vaults. Notably, some of the project was modeled on the animation program Maya. An interesting quote from the article, Dali describes Walt Disney as one of America's greatest surrealists."
i can barely wait for the action figures...
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As Dali was the greatest painter in the last 100 years, I'm very excited to see this, but who did the completion? Modern surreallism tends to be dull and played out, and Dinosaurs was probably not very mind boggling.
I hope they did large amounts of acid to try and get the same inspriation that Dali had.
And this is notable, why ?
Maya has been a mainstay for movie production involving 3D elements for a long time now. Or is this supposed to conjure images of Maya-on-Linux and thus make it relevant to Slashdot somehow ?
This isn't any more notable than a CGI team doing shots for CSI using Bipeds from Character Studio ( 3ds max plugin ) for one of those tacky sticks-in-bullets-holes-tell-us-where-the-bullets
Effects houses will use the software that gets the job done, and hardly ever is the choice "notable".
Just my 2cts on -that- topic.
Disney completing a shelved project like this, for a 6-minute short, on the other hand, is more interesting.
I recently did a project that was about Salvador Dali. What a great surrealist! Here is a link for any interested in browsing some of the pieces hosted by the Dali Museum. http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org
Otherwise, Disney would've only had another couple decades to finish that movie!
the dude who painted the melting clocks.
IANADA (I Am Not A Dali Afficionado) However, He was a pretty famous artist, known for his surrealist works. You've probably seen his stuff, think about liquid clocks... Check out more of his works at This site
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I always cringe when Disney takes one of their early artistic works (back when it at least seemed like someone cared what made it to the screen)and trots it out all "modernized" or worse, sequelized. In this instance, at least from what I can gather, they've produced something with artistic merit. I saw sketches and such of this project on the Fantasia Legacy DVD, and immediately was impressed by the bizarre vision it presented. Noone today would consider Disney avant garde...but it (well, more like HE) really was back in the day. I'm glad to see this innovative idea finally come to fruition. One can only hope that it might serve as a wake-up call as to the potential of animation as art, instead of just babysitting-fodder.
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Salvador Dali (born in Figueres, Catalonia) was one of the most famous surrealist artists of the 20th century
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the dude who painted the melting clocks.
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somehow I have the feeling that even though the original work had multiple authors (disney, dali), this "finished" version will be entirely disney's and not a cent will go to the Dali estate. Mickey just wouldn't have it any other way. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
Disney Corp alienates the progressives.
how do you know there is more than one animator? seriously, how do you know?
Dali was acutally Spanish, not American. That's like Gates moving to Germany and becoming German.
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Salvador Dali was a Surrealist painter who's one painting "The Persistance of Time" is hanging over my computer right now.
One of my favorite surrealist, even though he was overplayed as it were. I also enjoy Giger and Escher also.
Check out a gallery of his works at:
http://dali.karelia.ru/html/dali.htm
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
going for the "adult" crowd, eh?
57 years! I have images of melting Disney animators, hunched over drawing boards and computers...
(the famous Dali picture with melting clocks is called 'Persistance of Memory')
Running mod_perl or a PHP compiled into Apache is always a lot faster than CGI, I'm surprised people still use it. Seems to be big in the movie industry though. Can't you compile computer shading languages into Apache?
one of America's greatest surrealists.
Hmmm, that's hardly much of an achievement. Can anyone name any good American surrealist? Dali was probably taking the piss.
...is it the second Friday of the month already? I knew there had to be a reason why /. posted a positive story about Disney. Can't wait until Monday when they post the anti-Disney slant to this story :)
when will disney exploit rembrandt? hecks, why not classical music. mozart? bach? oh wait they already do. use copyright/royalty free music, yet extend their copyrights, nice!!! where will it end?
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Dali describes Walt Disney as one of America's greatest surrealists.
Would the same still be true regarding disney's contemporary political positions?
Anybody have a bit torrent link to the movie yet?
When this DVD does finally arrive, I hope it includes the original 15 seconds of this test reel they have. It would be nice to see the original work before any CG enhancement.
Disney: MPAA member which got rich by appropriating other people's intellectual property then jealously guarding... Ooh! Ahh! Look at all the shiny pictures!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Walt Disney loved and cared about almost all the peoples of the world but got in trouble for his short "Nazi Supermen Are Our Superiors."
So what happened originally you ask? Here's an excerpt from The Straight Dope:
For more related articles, here are some great links too:
http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/1-30/feature
http://www.abstractdynamics.org/archives/2003/06/
http://www.animagic.hpg2.ig.com.br/destin1.htm
(This last one has images of conceptual art designs too!)
-Mr. Fusion
"Correct to have finished. There is more than one animator. Compare with 'Disney has finished', wherein Disney is a collective noun, which, in American English, is treated as a singular. True plurals, however, are not."
I wonder if there's a typo discussion forum somewhere on the web that Slashdot is attracting users from. www.analnazispelling.com
Thanks, I never would have been able to figure out what the article was about if not for your grammatical diligence.
If whales learn how to use weapons we're all screwed!
This month's issue has several images from the movie, along with a photo of Dali and Disney together during the collaboration.
"Let me explain. /pause/ No, there is not enough time. Let me sum up."
/., where we don't ever read long expl...
Give the guy a break. The melting clocks are probably the best known and most recognizable feature of Dali, and this *is*
And anyway, if you're going to criticize, at least get the quote right!
This would be fine if the phrase involved was solely "Disney animators have finished the short." But in a different context, "has" would be fine-- such as, "A group of Disney animators has finished the short." The prepositional phrase "of Disney animators" becomes an adjective describing "A group". Thus, you should effectively remove "of Disney Animators" from the sentence and deal with "have/has" in relation to "A group" alone. So, for that context, "A group of Disney animators has completed the short." is correct.
Of course, I couldn't find the phrase you mentioned earlier, and I can't be bothered to read the article, so there you go. We both could be wrong.
Asswipe.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
Yes, you are. A Comment from Old Europe.
Damn! How much money do you make?
That would be cool.
It really was worth the hype. Disney himself (grandson of the Walt) introduced it, and was justifiably proud of it. It's being introduced to compete for an Oscar. The joke was "imagine having your animated short up against Salvador Dali and Walt Disney."
Anyway, it's a surprisingly effective melding of Dali imagery and Disney animation. The animator at Disney who had done the original work is still alive and still working at Disney, and worked to finish the movie, and the original soundtrack was restored for it.
It's short, but if there's a screening, it's worth going just to see it. There's so much detail that the video transfer will be meaningfully less.
my guess would be because it said "disney animatorS" but i could be wrong.
"I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance" - Isaac Asimov
Compare with 'Disney has finished', wherein Disney is a collective noun, which, in American English, is treated as a singular.
Correct grammar also requires the comma to be placed before the closing quote and not after.
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Well, I am a Dali superfan and I can say that he was without a doubt one of the best painters of all time. Only Escher's optical illusions are comprable to Dali's, but Escher did mostly works based on geometry, while Dali worked more with raw creativity. Every one of his paintings has a double image, and in several there are multiple ways to percieve what you're seeing. Not to mention the paintings are on par with classical masters such as Michaelangelo, Da Vinci, and Van Eyk, which no other painter has achieved in modern times. He is sort of similar to Kandinsky, both wanted to show what was inside of minds, but partially thanks to the drugs and the boundless talent, Dali's haullicinations stayed away from complete abstractionism.
I've also heard that he made a bunch of live action movies too, but I've never seen any.
Dali's extreme statements on political matters, in particular his fascination for Hitler, struck a false note in the context of the Surrealist ethic and his relations with the rest of the group became increasingly strained after 1934. The break finally came when the painter declared his support for Franco in 1939. And yet he could boast that he had the backing of Freud himself, who declared in 1938 that Dali was the only interesting case in a movement whose aims he confessed not to understand.
57 years! These people must be on the Duke Nukem: Forever dev team, too.
Oh yes, the famous Dali "Melting Cock".
That's like a minute per decade, almost.
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
"Destino"
What could happen if the minds of genius like Walt Disney and Salvador Dali produced an amazing piece of art to be seen in the big screen? The answer is the never-completed animated short "Destino".
Work, in the form of original concept drawings, as well as 18 seconds of animation, done by Salvador Dali in 1946 at the Disney studio , is being dusted off by Disney vice chairman Roy E. Disney and will be completed as an art house cartoon by the Disney studio - well, at least according to the London Sunday Times a couple of years ago. "I am going to finish the work of Salvador Dali", Disney told the newspaper. "At Disney, we need to recover our history." The production will be supervised by Disney, who is a son of Roy Disney (Walt Disney's brother), and John Hench, now a senior vice-president at Disney, who worked with Dali as his assistant in 1946. According to the Times, Dali blamed the failure to finish the film on labor strikes that hit the movie industry at the time. However John Canemaker, in Before The Animation Begins: The Art and Lives of Disney Inspirational Sketch Artists, quotes Walt Disney as saying, "Jesus Christ! $70,000 down the drain", in response to Dali's very un-Disneyesque work. Canemaker's new book, Paper Dreams, includes a photo showing Dali at work on the project.
But some people were lucky to see these 18 seconds of animation in June 2002 durring the exibit "Rescued Treasures: Restored Films from American Archives and Studios" presented by heas of restoration Scott MacQueen showing amazing restorations and rare gems from the arquives of Walt Disney. The neraly unseen "Destino" was followed by another great work of colaboration (Hitchcock/Dali) in "Spellbound". This special screening was held at the American Museum of Moving Image.
We don't get confirmation or another new info in the status of this production of "Destino", but you can read a full-lengh article below with the story of this proposed project based on my extensive research (including some info from the great Christopher Jones article for The Boston Globe and the book "Paper Dreams" written by John Canemaker). The article is written in portuguese but there is some new treats - three new amazing drawings and paintings of "Destino". Enjoy!
Tough to walk with that knee jerking so much? Funny how most of the Europeans I know who have lived in the US for any amount of time have really liked it here. Some enough to stay here permanently. You should expand your horizons a bit, learn a little.
p.s. Netherlands? England? Where are you from? Just curious. Let me know before I sit on you and then shoot your crushed remains. My shrink says I should should stop in Turkey- it's on they way from the U.S. Or maybe he just wants another sandwich... Oh, nevermind, 'Idol' is coming on. Maybe I'll just sue y'all instead...
p.p.s. Just joking...
For those of you who don't know, Dali has a small history in film: IMDB's profile. They also have a wonderful picture of him.
Most notable of those is Un Chien Andalou that he did with the somewhat famous director Luis Bunuel. It's only a few minutes long and it makes *NO* sense at all, but it's very fun to watch.
Scratched Emulsion
If you ever have the urge to sum up an artist's work in one sentence again... don't.
...unless that artist is Andy Warhol.
It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
the dude who painted the melting clocks.
If you ever have the urge to sum up an artist's work in one sentence again... don't.
Yeah, but who was that dude who sketched all those fucked-up stairways?
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
Lol, Nice troll.
Next thing you know they'll be saying john ritter is dead.
Sheesh come on.
You got modded -1, offtopic because you DARED to correct the Poopdot editors.
Was I the only one who read the headline and thought "Cool, Disney has done a cartoon about the Dali Lama!"
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
"The film was shelved for money reason"
Are you sure that is wasn't shelved because Dali was crazier than a shithouse rat? Even by 1947 standards.
So when will this film become public domain?
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Note that Harryhausen and some animators are going to complete one of Harryhausen's very early works. Thought that might also be of interest, as it's an animation work that will be completed many years after it began.
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Some of the interviews with Harryhausen on (I think) the Jason and the Argonauts mention this as well. (But searching
Details: http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/ThisMonth/Arti
the dude who painted the melting clocks.
If you ever have the urge to sum up an artist's work in one sentence again... don't.
Pop-quiz!
The dude who splashed paint on canvas spread on the groud.
The dude who cut off his ear and painted sunflowers.
The dude who started off those dotty paintings.
The dude who made that picture of a pipe that says it isn't a pipe.
The dude who wrote Romeo & Juliet.
The dude who wrote those books where he was going on and on about all the stuff he was thinking and doing and you couldn't figure out what was fact and what was fiction the grammar didn't work out anyway pretty damn boring book that was.
The dude who cuts animals in half and suspends them in formaldehyde.
The gal who made an exposition out of her own dirty bed.
The dude who painted a can of soup.
The dude who composed the Ring.
No, not that other dude who wrote about the Ring.
The dude who wrote that book and then all those Arabs went medieval on him, only he hid.
The dude who wraps buildings up like a parcel (and his wife, too).
The dude who directed E.T.
The gal who made those nazi films that died the other day.
The dude who poured lighter fluid over his guitar and burnt it on stage.
The dude who wrote the book about killing lots of people while using lots of snobby eighties brands.
The dude who was in that black&white film where the front of a house falls over, but he's standing where the window comes down and there's no glass in it.
The gal who sings about wanting a Mercedes Benz.
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This guy has obviously mastered the art of the similie.
As for Disney and Dali, the urge to see this almost overwhelms my 'Boycott Disney Because They Are Sellouts' reflex. I hope not to watch/buy Disney crap anytime soon. I know that ABC/ESPN/and probably everything else not Time/Warner is owned by them so it's virtually impossible.
I do have better places to give my money that some giant megacorp with major interests in the MPAA, RIAA, stomping out the little guy, and generally making America the bland place it's becoming.
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He also made some scuplture, some music, and a deck of terot cards
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He even made a cook book. Serously.
Here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8013/dali/d
... having done some 3d modelling in the past, I feel sooooooo sorry for those sorry son's of a bitch, that have to model dali's visions in Maya! Even starring at his paintings give me a headache... I can just picture trying to recreate them... in 3d of all things. Poor poor bastards! ;)
At least it wasnt escher!
If you ever have the urge call Dali an artist in one sentence again... don't.
I've seen better 'art' hanging on kindergarten walls.
Dali describes Walt Disney as one of America's greatest surrealists.
Must be referring to the unbelievable happy 'dancing mushrooms' sequence in "Fantasia".
8==8 Bones 8==8
"If you ever have the urge to sum up an artist's work in one sentence again... don't."
...unless that artist is Andy Warhol.
;-)
You mean the dude that painted the soup cans?
Wake me up when Disney starts collaborating with H. R. Giger.
I am NOT a nut....
Where is today's SCO story???
I've been awaiting such a release of this animation since I first learned of Dali. WOW! I'll hafta buy it when it's released on video too... I specifically got Alfred Hitchcock's 'Vertigo' because it has a dream sequence that Dali created. And I've been simply dying to see the hologram of Alice Cooper's brain that he did also...anyone know where it's located?
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because it's also true.
You deserve the -1 though. After all, this is a US centric messageboard, and you are offending your hosts.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
The Sailor Moon episode known in the US as "#6 / Time Bomb" (it's #9 in Japan, can't think of the title right now) and the opening sequence to the second half of the R season (involving time travel) features folded-over clocks in a Dali vein.
;)
It wouldn't be the first animation I've seen that had the Dali influence, just, if I bother, the first which Dali actually contributed to.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
You are the same spammer referred from other articles.
And mods keep modding you up. This is a spammer, people, a subtle one, but one nevertheless.
Don't click that link, you give him money out of it.
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
The dude who wrote those books where he was going on and on about all the stuff he was thinking and doing and you couldn't figure out what was fact and what was fiction the grammar didn't work out anyway pretty damn boring book that was.
Boring, that's one of the best damn books I've ever read!
If you thought the grammar was difficult in that one, you should read that book by the same dude about all the details of every thought that passes through his dream and half of the words aren't real but make sense anyway but in several different ways at the same time.
The dude who was in that black&white film where the front of a house falls over, but he's standing where the window comes down and there's no glass in it.
Isn't he the dude that inspired the dude who writes directs and acts in his own movies which have the incredible fight scenes and he does all of these impossible stunts himself only they are not impossible because he actually does them.
Read, L
Raw creativity? I hear that in Massachusetts, they now have to put a warning at the bottom of the paint that reads something like: "This creativity is raw, partially raw or creatively structured per order. Consuming them may increase your risk of mental illness.""
"The dude who made that picture of a pipe that says it isn't a pipe."
Who was this guy?
http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org
"And stop calling them 'gals'. Cowgirls are called gals. [...] Don't ruin it by conjuring up images of Dale Evans, all right?"
--Good Morning, Vietnam
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Ok, this looks like fun. Lets see how many I get
:( Manet?
Andy Warhol?
Vincent van Gogh
Aah, impressionism.. no idea.
Rene Margritte (friend of Dali!)
Will "The Bard" Shakespeare
I think it's him only I am not sure and damn I think it would be embarrassing to goof here aw fuck it I'll try James Joyce (Ulysses, stream of consciousness)
Formaldehyde? Lots of people do that..
No idea
Hmm, Campbell's Tomato Soup.. not Andy Warhol again..?
Richard Wagner
J.R.R. Tolkien
Salman Rushdie
I should know, he wrapped up the Berlin Reichstag.. it'll come to me
Spielberg
Leni Riefenstahl
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The hippie chick.. sang "Me and Bobby McGee", can't recall the name now
Wonder how many I got
I wonder if there's a typo discussion forum somewhere on the web that Slashdot is attracting users from. www.analnazispelling.com
It's www.analspellingnazi.com, dammit. Get it right, people!
Think about it, a bunch of crazy animals walking around and talking on this crazy mystic world. It's very sureal. It's not fine art, but ti's bizzare none the less.
"If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer
No, check out the verb "to whinge".
Stupid fat American fuckpig.
Jimi Hendrix American Psycho? Buster Keaton Janis Joplin
Pollack,Van Gogh :)
Seurat,Ummm... not sure but google for "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" and I could get it
Shakespeare
Faulkner
most likely Somebody funded by the NEA in the past 20 years
Ummm... Madonna?
Andy Warhol
???
Tolkein
Salmon Rushdie (rather apt name eh?)
I know and it's on the tip of my tongue... he did the Reichstag and some carribean islands... oh got it: Christo. Can't remember the first name, if any.
Spielburg
???
Jimi Hendrix
???
Buster Keaton?
Janis Joplin.
That was a fun quiz, and as you can tell, I didn't cheat.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
If you are a Dali fan, you MUST eventually make it to the museum in St. Petersburg, FL. There you can stare at the HUGE paintings and get sucked into their depth.
I think they have somewhere > 200 of his works in total. They have historical information on him as well as some of his sketch books and sculptures as well as pictures of him.
I liked the pictures of his pet ocelot.
Rene Magritte did the pipe painting.
Regarding modders, you get what you pay for. Think of this as a service to show how crappy the Slashdot moderation system really is.
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The eighties book : american psycho, the author was Bret Easton Ellis The gal singing is Janis Joplin
dumbass -- it's rhetorical.
Probably the most well known purveyors of what I would call "American Surrealism". Granted, he's modern, but Lynch's vision is distinctly American.
i'm the jedidiahmarkfoster your parents warned you about
Some would say Buuel is the greatest surrealist filmmaker ever...
The story makes no sense. The images make some sense. It was a critique/homage to Federico Garcia Lorca, a gay writer that was part of their group (the surrealists in Europe in the 1930's). Garcia Lorca was an Andalucian, Buuel called him the andalucian dog. He wrote a poem to Dali that was the inspiration for the eye-slashing scene. There is also a critique in that movie, to the writer Juan Ramon Jimenez: the rotten donkey on the piano is a reference to Platero y yo, Jimenez's masterpiece (a story about a donkey and a boy).
Dali himself appears briefly in the movie, he's one of the priests being dragged along with the piano and the rotten donkey. Buuel also appears, he's the man who slashes the girl's eye.
Go hug some trees.
....and the copyright hasn't expired yet.
When are they doing a version of jungle book?
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Disney is dead, watch your overcoat.
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Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
You can see Un Chien Andalou here, enjoy!!!
Go hug some trees.
Sorry, but if you're a "superfan" you probably would have at least seen one of his movies. You're simply a fan.
The dude who splashed paint on canvas spread on the groud.
Jackson Pollock
The dude who cut off his ear and painted sunflowers.
Vincent VanGogh
The dude who started off those dotty paintings.
The dude who made that picture of a pipe that says it isn't a pipe.
The dude who wrote Romeo & Juliet.
Shakespeare
The dude who wrote those books where he was going on and on about all the stuff he was thinking and doing and you couldn't figure out what was fact and what was fiction the grammar didn't work out anyway pretty damn boring book that was.
Faulkner
The dude who cuts animals in half and suspends them in formaldehyde.
Did Leonardo DaVinci have formaldahyde. I don't think he's right...
The gal who made an exposition out of her own dirty bed.
The dude who painted a can of soup.
Andy Worhall
The dude who composed the Ring.
No, not that other dude who wrote about the Ring.
Tolkein
The dude who wrote that book and then all those Arabs went medieval on him, only he hid.
The dude who wraps buildings up like a parcel (and his wife, too).
The dude who directed E.T.
Steven Speilberg
The gal who made those nazi films that died the other day.
The dude who poured lighter fluid over his guitar and burnt it on stage.
Jimi Hendrix
The dude who wrote the book about killing lots of people while using lots of snobby eighties brands.
Book is American Psycho, author is _________.
The dude who was in that black&white film where the front of a house falls over, but he's standing where the window comes down and there's no glass in it.
Buster Keaton
The gal who sings about wanting a Mercedes Benz.
Janis Joplin
The movie would have been done on time, except the clocks kept melting. Thanks, I'll be here all week!
Dali is long dead, now they're going to be making money in his name. I hope his surviving relatives sue the living shit out of Disney for any profit that is taken in connection with this work. I want to see massive civil awards against Disney. It's only fair.
Fred
"A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
-RMS
When I think of Disney, I do tend to think of subtle adult jokes and lewd references in the background.
/ vpid/659803/vpcsid/0/SFV/12840] and think it was a modern ray-trace.
Salvador Dali drew all his tree knots like little anuses. Those of you that think this is a flame google +"Salvador Dali" +Anus. From what I remember, he seemed to think all tree knots looked like little anuses. I think this is strangly approperate for a disney production.
Still... his anus fixcation aside, definatly one of the great artists who's style seems to be under-rated in the 21st century. Even people involved in computer graphics look at his work [http://www.artdirect.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Sadly, yes, they will even though it means doing business with the corporation that was a strong proponent of the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998. This bill became law and stifles our ability to build on Disney's work like Disney built on Buster Keaton's Steamboat Bill Jr.. We can't share and preserve countless other copyrighted works that aren't selling but are disappearing because of an overly long term of copyright. I wonder how many Slashdot readers have too short a memory to act effectively in defiance of the laws they rail against in other threads.
I'll be glad to do business with Disney when they advocate for a more reasonable copyright regime, one in which society's need to share and build on copyrighted works is balanced with publisher's need to make money.
Digital Citizen
No one else got this one, so I will: The dude who started off those dotty paintings.
Roy Lichtenstein
I didn't know these ones:
The dude who made that picture of a pipe that says it isn't a pipe.
The dude who wrote those books where he was going on and on about all the stuff he was thinking and doing and you couldn't figure out what was fact and what was fiction the grammar didn't work out anyway pretty damn boring book that was.
The gal who made an exposition out of her own dirty bed.
The dude who wrote the book about killing lots of people while using lots of snobby eighties brands.
The dude who was in that black&white film where the front of a house falls over, but he's standing where the window comes down and there's no glass in it.
"Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion." - Democritus
Pretty close, my cultured friend!
;-)
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Jackson Pollock
Vincent Van Gogh
Georges-Pierre Seurat
Rene (Francois Ghislain) Magritte
William Shakespear (although his existance as an historical figure is questioned, like Homer)
James (Augustine Aloysius) Joyce
Damien Hirst
Tracey Emin (won the Turner prize with her soiled bed)
Andy Warhol
(Wilhelm) Richard Wagner (also notable for contributing to the Apocalypse Now soundtrack)
John Ronald Reuel Tolkien
Salman Rushdie
Christo (Javacheff) (his wife is a co-wrapper, not wrappee)
Steven Spielberg
(Berta Helene Amalie) "Leni" Riefenstahl
(James Marshall) "Jimi" Hendrix
Bret Easton Ellis
Buster Keaton (indeed a great source of inspiration for "Jackie" Chan Kong-sang)
Janis Joplin
Full names are from wikipedia..
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Richard Wagner, pronounced Vog-ner
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" -MLK
I've seen some of his films and he was a very sick and twisted soul. His vulgar filth has no place in a civilized society and most certainly has no business in a Disney film..
If you don't think so, go view the film where he slices a woman's eyeball open with a straight razor.
Google up "Un Chien Andalou" and learn...
Dali was a true sicko..
Dali was not Spanish, he was actually Catalan, from a place called Port Lligat (Yigat) in northern Catalunya.
I've just noticed that /. doesn't seem to let you use accented characters, neither can you use the XHTML character entities, such as Ampersand+iacute;
Anyway, for those that don't know, or can't tell in /., The 'i' in Dali's name has an accent on it, which is important as it completely changes how you pronounce his name, Da-li, not Dah-lee, with the stress on the the 'li' rather than the 'Da'.
> It's notable because they took the original ideas from the 1940s and were able to render them much more easily with the tools we have available today.
Ah, so this must be the atrractraction of neo-con crap.
However good it may be, I won't be seeing it. Or fronting any money for someone else to see it. Neither the MPAA nor it's members should be subsidised.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Where did it say Dali was an American? From the poster, "An interesting quote from the article, Dali describes Walt Disney as one of America's greatest surrealists." Wired and the poster were referring to Disney. Yes, we know Dail was a surrealist and Spanish. This is another sad day for Slashdot moderators.
Some more of Dali's 'lost' work that I'd like to see is the dream sequence in Hitchcock's film Spellbound. A short sequence made it into the final film, but it was originally planned to be 20 minutes long; some of the filmed-but-cut material sounds fascinating.
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I say, old chap, good show!
> Pollack,Van Gogh :)
> Seurat,Ummm... not sure but google for "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" and I could get it
>Shakespeare
> Faulkner
> most likely Somebody funded by the NEA in the past 20 years
Actually, he's some british guy whose name I can't remember, but he's cut from the same cloth, yeah.
> Ummm... Madonna?
*This* is probably the one with the NEA grant.
> Andy Warhol
> ???
Wagner
> Tolkein
> Salmon Rushdie (rather apt name eh?)
> I know and it's on the tip of my tongue... he did the Reichstag and some carribean islands...
> oh got it: Christo. Can't remember the first name, if any.
> Spielburg
> ???
Leni Riefenstahl (probably spelled her name wrong) Did the Nuremburg documentaries and other Nazi propaganda films.
> Jimi Hendrix
> ???
Tom Wolfe, I *think*...
> Buster Keaton?
Yep. The scene where he hangs from the hands of a clock tower is probably better known, though.
> Janis Joplin
Chris Mattern
It sounds to me like they basically just took the outline that had been created, and made a completely new animation. I don't think that anything on screen will be from the 40's, but the storyboards and whatnot will have guided the 00's animators.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
I remember reading about the Disney company's first (?) use of CG, in The Black Cauldron. There was a shot where the characters step into a rowboat and it was supposed to bob up and down, but when the animators tried to hand-draw the boat, it deformed like it was made out of rubber. So ... the hundreds of perspective drawings required by the Dali short would have been just horrendous, if not impossible.
Corollary to Moore's Law: The IQ of new computer owners is declining.
I know that ABC/ESPN/and probably everything else not Time/Warner is owned by them
More specifically, Disney owns what's listed here. Fox isn't included; neither are MGM, Sony, Universal, Viacom, and especially the non-MPAA studio/distributor Artisan Entertainment.
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I AM SURREALISM.
As usual, he was right.
And my favorite quote of his (also my email sig):
The only difference between me
and a madman is that I am not mad.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Would you rather let your child play with a stuffed Mickey Mouse, or a stuffed Clippy?
How about a plush MSN butterfly? Go to the Microsoft store, click "Non Microsoft" to create a new customer account, then click "Toys".
Will I retire or break 10K?
I'll hafta buy it when it's released on video too
Rent it instead. That way, you still see the movie, but less of your money goes toward reforming copyrights in the entertainment industry's favor.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Mod me down too, because I'm an American and I find this hilarious!
everything in moderation
#1 is Jackson Pollack, not Andy Warhol.
#2 is van Gogh, correct
#3 is Seurat, I believe
#4 and #5 are correct
#6: James Joyce DID write Ulysses, but as I never read it, I can't confirm if that's what he's talking about
#7 has got to be Hirst. Sure, others have used formaldehyde, but he was the one whose stuff was on display in New York when Guliani threw a fit
#8: likewise, I have no idea
#9 is the REAL Andy Warhol
10-12 are correct
#13 is Cristo
14 and 15 are correct, I actually saw Triumph of the Will in 20th Century European History last year
#16 is Hendrix
#17 is Bret Ellis, the book is American Psycho, which my girlfriend read the first 100 pages of, and described as "too dull for words." I'm content to take it on faith.
#18: this vaguely rings a bell, I think Seasame Street must have shown that clip or something when I was little, but I have no idea what it's from.
#19: Dunno, never heard the song.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
Here, here, mod parent up
Visca Catalunya!
I'm a chainsmokin' alcoholic sociopath, so-ci-o-path
So nice to have you back where you belong.
Funny how most of the Europeans I know who have lived in the US for any amount of time have really liked it here. Some enough to stay here permanently.
That's not contradictory. Those Europeans live in the few percent of the US that is modern, fairly civilized, and interesting, where some non-negligible fraction of the population actually knows of the existence of places outside the US, and where there are at least acceptable cultural institutions and events (museums, theater, opera, lectures, chamber music, etc.). They live in places like Boston, New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and maybe a handful of others. And they live in the 5% of the income distribution where life in the US is pretty convenient, where they can send their kids to good schools, and where their friends, acquaintances, and co-workers have actually also gone to good schools. In short, Europeans often like living in the US because they can choose to live in the nicest places and because they usually command a large income.
But when those same Europeans venture outside those few areas, they see most Americans living depressing, backwards lives in depressing, backwards places.
Dali describes Walt Disney as one of America's greatest surrealists...
Watch the dream sequence in the Winnie the Pooh movie if you don't believe this.
Do you have ESP?
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director Dominique Monfery and his team of 25 Disney animators, based in Paris.
This would be partially because Disney has fired pretty much all of the American staff.
I wonder what 40's Disney staffers were involved.
When the Federal Reserve Note reverts to the public domain.
The dude who cut off his ear and painted sunflowers.
Do you like to be just like a rock in the middle of the sea?
Do you want to suffer by yourself in a pool of blissful misery
Do you want to feel like a saint in artist's clothes with a rosary in your hand
do you wanna be crazy like Van Gogh like a stranger in a Strange, Strange land -- Oingo Boingo
The thing that most people seem to miss about this. The reason for finishing the project is not the love of Dali's work. It is because of the ownership of all of the works that went into the project.
Dali put in the contract that Disney did not own the works used to create Destino until it was made and released.
What are 22 original Salvidor Dali oils worth on todays market?
This may take them a few million to finish the project. They will make much more than that with the garage sale that follows.
As a side note: The cartoon "The Mr. Hell Show" had Disney's picture as just a large copyright symbol. (Mr. Hell is one of the coolest things Showtime has on these days.)
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Does it have a scene of a Mickey Mouse watch melting over a tree limb?
Dali and Disney??? this means we finally get to see Snow white's breasts! although they'll probably be a part of her left ear which actually comes out of her nose and enters the top of her head.
Why is her dress melting into a river??? I gotta go to sleep.
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
salvador dali called walt disney one of history's greatest surrealists, but walt had already praised dali as one of history's greatest opportunists. kind of a circle jerk mutual admiration society for vulgarians.
Why take drugs just to mentally masturbate, when you can take a class in something, self-study a specialized portion of a subject, or tempt fate and engender yourself to another and once again reveal in the tendencies of the species. Whatever all of those whacky tendencies may be.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Disney himself (grandson of the Walt) introduced it, and was justifiably proud of it.
Actually, Roy E. Disney introduced the movie at Telluride. He's the nephew of Walt Disney, and son of Roy Disney (Sr), who was Walt's older brother.
A quote which, definitely, is a huge bashing to the whole america.
--- How to use Slashdot
That might possibly have been the funniest comment I have seen on /., particularly in the realm of a beowulf of ???profit comments. Kudos sir.
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
...before you jump to conclusions.
The last paragraph makes it clear that the estate of Salvador Dali was somehow involved in the project. I doubt they would be too eager to participate if Disney was giving them the shaft.
Don't mind the fact that he was a convinced supporter of Franco's facist,centralist, and therefore rabidly anti-catalanist dictatorship let you down in you lunatic snobish catalan supremacism
and what could be more surreal than 10 kilotons at ten thousand feet over disney.
of course, they've already thought of this, and Walt Disney World is protected airspace. I wonder if they have Patriot missiles hidden in the swamp down there.
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to change a lightbulb?
A: While the nude maiden holds the neck of the giraffe, the bathtub is filled with brightly colored handtools.
Pollock.
Van Gough.
Seraut.
Magritte.
Shakepear
Kerouac, Burroughs - take your pick.
Damien Heirst.
Ex Boyfriend of Billy B Childish, Tracey Emin
Warhol.
No clue.
Tolkien.
Rushdie
Christo amd Jean Claude
Speilberg.
Dunno, but I've seen them at the MCART
Hendrix.
?
Charlie Chapmin.
Joplin
Dada Mail - Program, Art Project or Absurdity?
Oh, I thought you said Debbie Does Dallas.
But then, same thing - isn't it?
Ex Girlfriend that is, Tracy Emim.
I wonder why there's no,
"The dude that dresses as a goat and tapdances,",
Dada Mail - Program, Art Project or Absurdity?
Well said. I wrote the original troll, but I do agree that there are a few places in the US which are pleasant to live in. Compared to a beautiful Swiss village though... :)
Don't mind the fact that he was a convinced supporter of Franco's facist,centralist, and therefore rabidly anti-catalanist dictatorship
Exactly for that I found interesting to remember he was from Catalonia, i hope he's twisting in his tomb right now.
I'm a chainsmokin' alcoholic sociopath, so-ci-o-path
We could also wait until our local libraries get it, which is probably what I'll do. I wouldn't actually suggest that they get it, though; just wait for them to do it on their own.
Shortly after Disneys announcement, last saturday, Dali was quoted as saying "Disney, you complete me."
Dali-experts are currently investigating the possibility of an 'intimate relationship' between Walt and Salvador.
More at eleven.
Since Walt is dead, why are all of his creations still copyrighted to Disney?
Disney was obligated by Dali's trust to release a film or forever loose the rights those images. Now upon releasing the film Disney will lock up the rights forever (as copyright now stands) Notably this is the final year of that agreement.
I would love to see those Dali images but now they have been somewhat cheapened by the agenda of hordes of lawyers to own the world.
Probably not until after you tried to wipe it off the floor.
I killed Tupac!
Dali and Jodorowski were working in the original Dune movie before they run out of money. It would be very interesting to see a short film with their efforts.
From the 2003 Program:
p dfs/30th-gui de.pdf (program #14)
"DESTINO is the legendary collaboration between Salvador Dali and Walt Disney that was begun in 1945 but never finished until now. A new generation at Disney has created a most extraordinary work of animation art. (d. John Hench/Dominique Monfery, 1946/2002, U.S./France,
6m)"
It preceded a new animated feature called The Triplets of Belleville
http://www.telluridefilmfestival.com/
Often in Error, Never in Doubt.
Um, actually you're quite wrong. Many of them have come as students, and lived a relatively meager existence here. The ones who had the means have traveled extensively in the US, too, and enjoyed it very much. Nice assumptions, though.
Disney was obligated by Dali's trust to release a film or forever loose the rights those images. Now upon releasing the film Disney will lock up the rights forever (as copyright now stands) Notably this is the final year of that agreement.
I would love to see those Dali images but now they have been somewhat cheapened by the agenda of hordes of lawyers to own the world.
the cow shoots first.
So what's the copyright date for this? It was started in 1946, but finished in 2003. So, is the copyright date based on then or now?
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