Or maybe a nice painting made from the blood of aborted fetuses.
I sure want one of those. Make a nice addition to my coffee table. And if you're offended by this, just keep driving.
Countries are allowed to make local laws. Don't like it - then too bad. It is against the law for example to display a swastika in Germany. That's their law. Don't give me a long boring lecture on the origin of the swastika, don't tell me about the treatment of Native Americans, don't draw me a stupid analogy to something else. It's not relevant.
This is the phrenology of the 21st cen. Whether the information is useful or not its what we do with it that's important. We assign an importance to this gene or that. And just like phrenology we assume that our science is correct and valuable and a predictor. In fact its just another reflection of our own biases. To say nothing of the non science potential: the crime gene, the jewish gene, the crack gene, the bad driving gene.....etc.... we can justify anything based on our so called science. So did the witch trials.
Or as the great Athenian philosopher Mediocrates once said "Aim low, you can't fuck it up!"
That fine young lad learned a valuable lesson: Just about everything they tell you and teach you is wrong, a lie, or plain bullshit. When will people learn that the way to succeed in school is to do the absolute minimum requested of you. Do not draw outside the lines. Do not remove tags. Do not listen to any kewl teachers who tell you they are your friends because a) they are not, b) are probably ready to quit and don't give a shit anymore, c) are being investigated themselves for something d) probably don't know or care about the rules in their own school e) never EVER have the backing of their administration.
And the adjunct theory to this is: Nothing related to computers in your school can end well. You will be mistrusted, abused, scrutinized and thrown away. Unless its to aid in some fundraising effort.
Read Crowds and Power by Elias Canetti. There is no virtual community. There is little if any real community. There are mobs. Big mobs little mobs, temporary mobs, permanent mobs, organized, unorganized, disorganized and the like. But mobs all the same. What the internet has managed to do is create more temporary mobs made up of far flun dispersed people who band together for a short time to exclude or pick on someone or some group or ideology.
Well the Jewish calendar works fairly well
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Lunar, 28 day months, add a month every 17 few years. It's worked for 5761 years
Just throw up your hands. Admit that this is inevitable, recognize the KalibanNet for what it is, filter everything, punish anything, tax what's left, advertising slots are still available so don't delay. Give up give in shut down quit. Perhaps the revolution will eat its own children.
I look forward to a bright shiny world owned and operated by AOLDisney, scrubbed polished with all the unsightly places swept underground. Where the mudpeople toil to give us our illusions in a clean white protestant sanitized trademarked Oprah approved group hugfest. I look forward to the death of hope and thought. I look forward to a sex free world with 6 guns blazing where John Wayne never dies and the Coolies are forever appreciative. Where good never completely vanquishes evil but we know it could if the sponsorship ran out and we had to cancel the series. I want a universe where the coefficient of friction is zero. Where everyone agrees with everyone else and everyone is slightly above average. I want an internet where "Leave it to Beaver" is a webcam documentary. I want a low fat smoke free no phones while driving the SUV toys for tots not in my backyard world where all the men are handsome and the women wear pearls.
And in the Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny he quotes Franz Kafka's "The Penal Colony" when he says "the name of your crime will be carved on your back."
There's a guy who shows up on TV once in a while who claims that restricting your overall coloric intake by nearly half you can extend your life by some large factor -> 20-30% or more. He brings out a mouse which is about twice as old as any other mouse and which has been fed roughly half of what a normal lifespanned mouse eats.
For/. readers in France maybe you could comment on the fact that a huge amount of your electricity comes from fission and AFAIK there haven't been any "let's make the water turn black" disasters. I suspect it has to do with using more or less one design and building it the same way and applying the same processes to it. I also suspect it has to do with some basic design parameters eg. most US commercial fission plants are evolutionary developments of the original military reactors not designed to light homes but instead to power ships and breed weapons. So if you start from the ground up with a design expressedly developed ONLY to generate clean commercial electricity then I suspect it will operate much more safely.
OTOH none of that speaks to what you with the waste. In the US the #2 growth industry for Native American lands (after casinos) is nuclear and toxic waste disposal. Those lands aren't regulated by the Federal gov't so basically the truck backs up and nuclear shit falls out the back.
They will NEVER remove Windows from PC's and replace it with something cheaper/free. 95% of all PC owners DO NOT want Linux on the desktop because it won't run the apps they need in everyday life.
The question you have to ask yourself is this. Which company can last longer giving its product away from free? MS or Dell/Compaq/Gateway? Obviously its MS so all MS has to do is nothing at all and the PC manufacturers will have to eat the cost or pass it along to us because they can't slice their own margins any thinner. Haven't you been listening? That's what monopolies are for. To maintain the price at any arbitrary level regardless of the market. And you know what? Let's say the doomsday scenario comes to pass and Dell/Compaq/Gateway go under. Someone will step in to take their place and MS will just continue to sell Windows to them, this time though for a higher price.
Employers who want to exploit staff by setting up two tiers of employees - those with some security and benefits vs. those with none are somehow contributingto the greater good because being compelled to treat people well costs too much and would lead to no one being hired at all.
Well doesn't that fly in the face of the overweening mentality here @/. that I'M SO GREAT I CAN COMMAND ANY SALARY AND BENEFIT AND THE REST OF YOU ARE SLACKERS. Those two thoughts don't seem to go together. But then again, unlike you I may not up for the Fields medal or the Nobel fucking prize.
Here's another interesting/. paradox: the "Didn't you know what you were doing, didn't you know that you had no benefits?" concept. This is actually an extension to the I'M GREAT YOU SUCK theory. It really applies to people who have never had to work at a company that hires from an approved vendor list and any contractor must be from a company on that list to get hired. Normally the way this works is the person is either an employee of that company or a contractor to it and the hiring company hires someone from the firm on the list. The rate is fixed and is typically something like 3x what the person is actually paid though it can be somewhat less where the hiring company has more leverage.
There are so many paradoxes in/. land. They generally fall into the category of "I'm a spoiled young jerk who's never had anything bad happen to me and even if it did I have no responsibilities to other people anyway. Times are great they always will be and anyone who can't be prince of their realm is obviously a loser".
Well for all you people who have never seen a recession, you're about to. And when this employer who is held to no rules suddenly tells you that if you want to continue to be a contractor you have to cut your rate in half or, you have become an employee for a 2/3 reduction in your income, please don't hesistate to remind that employer that regulations cost money and how fucking grateful you are to have a job at all.
or Aristophanes or Lao Tzu or Emily Bronte. Certainly enough people have ripped them off. There is a beginning a middle and an end to IP whether that window is circumscribed by time or practicality. Abandoned is abandoned and if I want own something that is defacto in the public domain then the risk that it is broken or unsupported or wrong or I can't parts for it is pretty much my problem. Alternatively the value, for example in producing one of Shakespear's plays is not the uniqueness of the plot since everyone probably knows it already, but instead, the value is in whatever production I bring to it.
You contract for support not for support of........? D'ya get it? In fact it's EASIER to support a Linux based system in a large corporate environment because (in theory) you would make any chang you need instead of swearing about some broken Windows crap that STILL hasn't been addressed for a year or so. You don't go an build, say, a huge datawarehouse and then throw your hands up if Windows or OS/390 or any other OS doesn't cooperate. You contract with whomever can get that job done. Do you honestly think that if you were a large Windows customer and even if you contracted with MS directly they would roll off a custom version just for you?
No glitzy graphics, no dancing woodchucks and no 24 bit color pictures of the natural wonders of your state, region or the agency heads of your organization. Assume that if someone is going to a government site it's to get in, get some information fast and get out again. For us who don't have transwarp petabit links to the net all the fancy graphics are a frustrating waste of time. You need a naviagator on the first page a website table of contents and a working search button all on the first page. Do not have endless pages that just point to lower level pages. Have a no frames option. Do not embed sound anywhere. Put a contact for every organization and person on every page where they are referenced. Make everything printable. Eliminate counters. Do not use any java anywhere. Do rely on cookies for anything. No funky colors no colorblindness strange contrasting colors. Sans serif fonts only.
And when your done making it simple, test it out and make it more simple.
When I complain that the whole metaphor for desktop objects that virtualize objects like 'folders' instead of oraganizing around work or processes or workflows or the logical reason for collecting objects... I get flamed for CWG (computing while geezer) and that everyone young has no trouble with this. I'll reapeat myself. The entire notion of organizing a GUI around "LOCATIONS" on a PC is completely bogus. The entire notion of creating a desktop on your PC is bogus. I don't want to organize something on my PC I can't organize in the solid world. That's why I have a PC. I don't care about folder names or file paths. Other than the fact that it is a kludgey mnemonic for ME to assign context to a collection of objects it has no bearing. The GUI, to be useful must have two basic attributes: First it has to be event driven so that the appearance and function change with events that trigger it. So the GUI takes on visual attributes that are useful for say document processing vs. ftp vs. backup administration. So that File, Edit, View..... actually have some real context built into them and mean, do and appear like different things depending on what I'm doing. Print for example has no meaning if the app if WinAmp so why would not put EQ there instead (silly example but you get the gist. And second, the GUI has to be flow, or if you prefer, event sequenced context driven object oriented, organized so that if I have 35 different file objects related to task "project 1" and they have different formats and sources, I can collect and use them in-flow without having to open each app and laboriously open-review-cut-paste......print.
Why for example do you have to start an equalizer and then drag artifacts up and down or side to side. Why not just have a functional driver that allows you to 'other mouse button click' swipe the pointer anywhere in any direction to do something like increase volume? Why can't we make use of 'tics' small dedicated mouse movements that trigger discrete events like poping a document, print, pan left-right.
GoType - keys stick, have to be hit dead on, kind of small, hack software has odd behavior re: power on, find the device.
The Palm Keyboard - the folding one - much better ergo, nice smooth key travel, folds up, must rest on a flat surface. BUT IT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!
There is the HH cradle which allows you to connect an IBMPC keyboard - convenient if you drag the cradle around to offices with keyboards. Hard pressed to see the value of this.
Other 3rd party larger keyboards are around - they're just bigger, what's the point???
The DoD which is chartered with tracking space junk and reentry of same would probably spend more than 72 million just following all of the deorbit paths down and releasing normal operational communiques saying "nothing to see here, just move along..."
It's just cheaper to pay to leave them there. And before you trot out your "Not my tax dollars !!!" warhorse just remember there are lots of things your tax dollars pay for that you should have no expectation or desire to take advantage of. Prisons are a good example of that.
Remember that it's a MILSPEC that requires that hammer to be made out of a cobalt nickle aluminum alloy, be exactly 265.09987 mm long weigh exactly 170.25 grams, hold a magnetic charge of 2500 Gauss, be shockproof. And oh yeah, we only need 17 of them. The process for publishing the bid spec probably costs $500,000 while the setup charges for the manufacturer probably run into the millions.
It's not that standards are bad. It's that there are so many.
Did they really run out of numbers or did/do they do a really crappy job of managing/salvaging the numbers they know about? It seems a combination of new area codes and filling up the exchanges should more than fix the set of required numbers. Maybe it has to do with how they allocated per CO. But is is possible there is a large number of dead numbers out there that haven't been reclaimed? Anyone know about this?
By analogy I work for a company with a Class "A" internet space and we ran out of IP addresses in many regions of the world and I'd be shocked if in the worst case possible we used or legitimately reserved even 20% of that space.
No call center but you get the SAME problems from the SAME people over and over and they know where you work and march down to your veal pen and camp there until you address their problem.
I ran tech support for a $2 billion health insurance company with 2400 users. One day one of the techs crazy glued my phone to the desk because I used to throw it against the wall. Try 10 straight work days where the same person has left a half dozen voicemails before 7am everyday on the SAME 2 problems which were: trying to log on to something like a dozen sessions and messing up the terminal, or, the printer doesn't because they sent something like 500 jobs to the queue.
Blarg. This is just a bunch of high falutin horseshit. Gaming is not a cultural tide shift. It's just another way for middle aged people to claim that their kids don't underastand them and need to be restrained. Pure and fucking simple. I'm 41. My parents didn't understand why we would play airhockey all day and thought it was a huge waste of time that had to be controlled. My kids play TWINE all day. I don't get it - its not that interesting to me. But I'm not going to say that culturally they're that much different from me. After all grown ups have grown up games and toys and kids have kids games and toys:
Kids - soccer, dirtbikes, N64, PS2, chat, reefer, E
Grown ups - golf, guns, home theater, scotch, good blow
And then sometime there are crossovers like my neighbor who bought a dirtbike for his 8 yr. old yeah right or kids who unlock the gun cabinet....
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Or maybe a nice painting made from the blood of aborted fetuses.
I sure want one of those. Make a nice addition to my coffee table. And if you're offended by this, just keep driving.
Countries are allowed to make local laws. Don't like it - then too bad. It is against the law for example to display a swastika in Germany. That's their law. Don't give me a long boring lecture on the origin of the swastika, don't tell me about the treatment of Native Americans, don't draw me a stupid analogy to something else. It's not relevant.
Uh I wonder how anti patent some of you would be if you could get an upfront cash award + royalties.
This is the phrenology of the 21st cen. Whether the information is useful or not its what we do with it that's important. We assign an importance to this gene or that. And just like phrenology we assume that our science is correct and valuable and a predictor. In fact its just another reflection of our own biases. To say nothing of the non science potential: the crime gene, the jewish gene, the crack gene, the bad driving gene.....etc.... we can justify anything based on our so called science. So did the witch trials.
Or as the great Athenian philosopher Mediocrates once said "Aim low, you can't fuck it up!"
That fine young lad learned a valuable lesson: Just about everything they tell you and teach you is wrong, a lie, or plain bullshit. When will people learn that the way to succeed in school is to do the absolute minimum requested of you. Do not draw outside the lines. Do not remove tags. Do not listen to any kewl teachers who tell you they are your friends because a) they are not, b) are probably ready to quit and don't give a shit anymore, c) are being investigated themselves for something d) probably don't know or care about the rules in their own school e) never EVER have the backing of their administration.
And the adjunct theory to this is: Nothing related to computers in your school can end well. You will be mistrusted, abused, scrutinized and thrown away. Unless its to aid in some fundraising effort.
Read Crowds and Power by Elias Canetti. There is no virtual community. There is little if any real community. There are mobs. Big mobs little mobs, temporary mobs, permanent mobs, organized, unorganized, disorganized and the like. But mobs all the same. What the internet has managed to do is create more temporary mobs made up of far flun dispersed people who band together for a short time to exclude or pick on someone or some group or ideology.
Lunar, 28 day months, add a month every 17 few years. It's worked for 5761 years
Just throw up your hands. Admit that this is inevitable, recognize the KalibanNet for what it is, filter everything, punish anything, tax what's left, advertising slots are still available so don't delay. Give up give in shut down quit. Perhaps the revolution will eat its own children.
I look forward to a bright shiny world owned and operated by AOLDisney, scrubbed polished with all the unsightly places swept underground. Where the mudpeople toil to give us our illusions in a clean white protestant sanitized trademarked Oprah approved group hugfest. I look forward to the death of hope and thought. I look forward to a sex free world with 6 guns blazing where John Wayne never dies and the Coolies are forever appreciative. Where good never completely vanquishes evil but we know it could if the sponsorship ran out and we had to cancel the series. I want a universe where the coefficient of friction is zero. Where everyone agrees with everyone else and everyone is slightly above average. I want an internet where "Leave it to Beaver" is a webcam documentary. I want a low fat smoke free no phones while driving the SUV toys for tots not in my backyard world where all the men are handsome and the women wear pearls.
And in the Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny he quotes Franz Kafka's "The Penal Colony" when he says "the name of your crime will be carved on your back."
There's a guy who shows up on TV once in a while who claims that restricting your overall coloric intake by nearly half you can extend your life by some large factor -> 20-30% or more. He brings out a mouse which is about twice as old as any other mouse and which has been fed roughly half of what a normal lifespanned mouse eats.
For /. readers in France maybe you could comment on the fact that a huge amount of your electricity comes from fission and AFAIK there haven't been any "let's make the water turn black" disasters. I suspect it has to do with using more or less one design and building it the same way and applying the same processes to it. I also suspect it has to do with some basic design parameters eg. most US commercial fission plants are evolutionary developments of the original military reactors not designed to light homes but instead to power ships and breed weapons. So if you start from the ground up with a design expressedly developed ONLY to generate clean commercial electricity then I suspect it will operate much more safely.
OTOH none of that speaks to what you with the waste. In the US the #2 growth industry for Native American lands (after casinos) is nuclear and toxic waste disposal. Those lands aren't regulated by the Federal gov't so basically the truck backs up and nuclear shit falls out the back.
and then give it away for free.
They will NEVER remove Windows from PC's and replace it with something cheaper/free. 95% of all PC owners DO NOT want Linux on the desktop because it won't run the apps they need in everyday life.
The question you have to ask yourself is this. Which company can last longer giving its product away from free? MS or Dell/Compaq/Gateway? Obviously its MS so all MS has to do is nothing at all and the PC manufacturers will have to eat the cost or pass it along to us because they can't slice their own margins any thinner. Haven't you been listening? That's what monopolies are for. To maintain the price at any arbitrary level regardless of the market. And you know what? Let's say the doomsday scenario comes to pass and Dell/Compaq/Gateway go under. Someone will step in to take their place and MS will just continue to sell Windows to them, this time though for a higher price.
Strange land, this Slashdot place:
/. that I'M SO GREAT I CAN COMMAND ANY SALARY AND BENEFIT AND THE REST OF YOU ARE SLACKERS. Those two thoughts don't seem to go together. But then again, unlike you I may not up for the Fields medal or the Nobel fucking prize.
/. paradox: the "Didn't you know what you were doing, didn't you know that you had no benefits?" concept. This is actually an extension to the I'M GREAT YOU SUCK theory. It really applies to people who have never had to work at a company that hires from an approved vendor list and any contractor must be from a company on that list to get hired. Normally the way this works is the person is either an employee of that company or a contractor to it and the hiring company hires someone from the firm on the list. The rate is fixed and is typically something like 3x what the person is actually paid though it can be somewhat less where the hiring company has more leverage.
/. land. They generally fall into the category of "I'm a spoiled young jerk who's never had anything bad happen to me and even if it did I have no responsibilities to other people anyway. Times are great they always will be and anyone who can't be prince of their realm is obviously a loser".
Employers who want to exploit staff by setting up two tiers of employees - those with some security and benefits vs. those with none are somehow contributingto the greater good because being compelled to treat people well costs too much and would lead to no one being hired at all.
Well doesn't that fly in the face of the overweening mentality here @
Here's another interesting
There are so many paradoxes in
Well for all you people who have never seen a recession, you're about to. And when this employer who is held to no rules suddenly tells you that if you want to continue to be a contractor you have to cut your rate in half or, you have become an employee for a 2/3 reduction in your income, please don't hesistate to remind that employer that regulations cost money and how fucking grateful you are to have a job at all.
or Aristophanes or Lao Tzu or Emily Bronte. Certainly enough people have ripped them off. There is a beginning a middle and an end to IP whether that window is circumscribed by time or practicality. Abandoned is abandoned and if I want own something that is defacto in the public domain then the risk that it is broken or unsupported or wrong or I can't parts for it is pretty much my problem. Alternatively the value, for example in producing one of Shakespear's plays is not the uniqueness of the plot since everyone probably knows it already, but instead, the value is in whatever production I bring to it.
...and of course 2GB RAM, 100GB of disk, and a 400psi cold water cooling system.
You contract for support not for support of........? D'ya get it? In fact it's EASIER to support a Linux based system in a large corporate environment because (in theory) you would make any chang you need instead of swearing about some broken Windows crap that STILL hasn't been addressed for a year or so. You don't go an build, say, a huge datawarehouse and then throw your hands up if Windows or OS/390 or any other OS doesn't cooperate. You contract with whomever can get that job done. Do you honestly think that if you were a large Windows customer and even if you contracted with MS directly they would roll off a custom version just for you?
No glitzy graphics, no dancing woodchucks and no 24 bit color pictures of the natural wonders of your state, region or the agency heads of your organization. Assume that if someone is going to a government site it's to get in, get some information fast and get out again. For us who don't have transwarp petabit links to the net all the fancy graphics are a frustrating waste of time. You need a naviagator on the first page a website table of contents and a working search button all on the first page. Do not have endless pages that just point to lower level pages. Have a no frames option. Do not embed sound anywhere. Put a contact for every organization and person on every page where they are referenced. Make everything printable. Eliminate counters. Do not use any java anywhere. Do rely on cookies for anything. No funky colors no colorblindness strange contrasting colors. Sans serif fonts only.
And when your done making it simple, test it out and make it more simple.
When I complain that the whole metaphor for desktop objects that virtualize objects like 'folders' instead of oraganizing around work or processes or workflows or the logical reason for collecting objects... I get flamed for CWG (computing while geezer) and that everyone young has no trouble with this. I'll reapeat myself. The entire notion of organizing a GUI around "LOCATIONS" on a PC is completely bogus. The entire notion of creating a desktop on your PC is bogus. I don't want to organize something on my PC I can't organize in the solid world. That's why I have a PC. I don't care about folder names or file paths. Other than the fact that it is a kludgey mnemonic for ME to assign context to a collection of objects it has no bearing. The GUI, to be useful must have two basic attributes: First it has to be event driven so that the appearance and function change with events that trigger it. So the GUI takes on visual attributes that are useful for say document processing vs. ftp vs. backup administration. So that File, Edit, View..... actually have some real context built into them and mean, do and appear like different things depending on what I'm doing. Print for example has no meaning if the app if WinAmp so why would not put EQ there instead (silly example but you get the gist. And second, the GUI has to be flow, or if you prefer, event sequenced context driven object oriented, organized so that if I have 35 different file objects related to task "project 1" and they have different formats and sources, I can collect and use them in-flow without having to open each app and laboriously open-review-cut-paste......print.
Why for example do you have to start an equalizer and then drag artifacts up and down or side to side. Why not just have a functional driver that allows you to 'other mouse button click' swipe the pointer anywhere in any direction to do something like increase volume? Why can't we make use of 'tics' small dedicated mouse movements that trigger discrete events like poping a document, print, pan left-right.
GoType - keys stick, have to be hit dead on, kind of small, hack software has odd behavior re: power on, find the device.
The Palm Keyboard - the folding one - much better ergo, nice smooth key travel, folds up, must rest on a flat surface. BUT IT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!
There is the HH cradle which allows you to connect an IBMPC keyboard - convenient if you drag the cradle around to offices with keyboards. Hard pressed to see the value of this.
Other 3rd party larger keyboards are around - they're just bigger, what's the point???
On screen keyboards are the way to go.
The DoD which is chartered with tracking space junk and reentry of same would probably spend more than 72 million just following all of the deorbit paths down and releasing normal operational communiques saying "nothing to see here, just move along..."
It's just cheaper to pay to leave them there. And before you trot out your "Not my tax dollars !!!" warhorse just remember there are lots of things your tax dollars pay for that you should have no expectation or desire to take advantage of. Prisons are a good example of that.
Remember that it's a MILSPEC that requires that hammer to be made out of a cobalt nickle aluminum alloy, be exactly 265.09987 mm long weigh exactly 170.25 grams, hold a magnetic charge of 2500 Gauss, be shockproof. And oh yeah, we only need 17 of them. The process for publishing the bid spec probably costs $500,000 while the setup charges for the manufacturer probably run into the millions.
It's not that standards are bad. It's that there are so many.
Did they really run out of numbers or did/do they do a really crappy job of managing/salvaging the numbers they know about? It seems a combination of new area codes and filling up the exchanges should more than fix the set of required numbers. Maybe it has to do with how they allocated per CO. But is is possible there is a large number of dead numbers out there that haven't been reclaimed? Anyone know about this?
By analogy I work for a company with a Class "A" internet space and we ran out of IP addresses in many regions of the world and I'd be shocked if in the worst case possible we used or legitimately reserved even 20% of that space.
No call center but you get the SAME problems from the SAME people over and over and they know where you work and march down to your veal pen and camp there until you address their problem.
I ran tech support for a $2 billion health insurance company with 2400 users. One day one of the techs crazy glued my phone to the desk because I used to throw it against the wall. Try 10 straight work days where the same person has left a half dozen voicemails before 7am everyday on the SAME 2 problems which were: trying to log on to something like a dozen sessions and messing up the terminal, or, the printer doesn't because they sent something like 500 jobs to the queue.
Just put the PC on an SBC card and mount it inside a video (appliance?) box.
Blarg. This is just a bunch of high falutin horseshit. Gaming is not a cultural tide shift. It's just another way for middle aged people to claim that their kids don't underastand them and need to be restrained. Pure and fucking simple. I'm 41. My parents didn't understand why we would play airhockey all day and thought it was a huge waste of time that had to be controlled. My kids play TWINE all day. I don't get it - its not that interesting to me. But I'm not going to say that culturally they're that much different from me. After all grown ups have grown up games and toys and kids have kids games and toys:
Kids - soccer, dirtbikes, N64, PS2, chat, reefer, E
Grown ups - golf, guns, home theater, scotch, good blow
And then sometime there are crossovers like my neighbor who bought a dirtbike for his 8 yr. old yeah right or kids who unlock the gun cabinet....