Frost is basically a "newsgroup" client. There are all SORTS of newsgroups. Are there many MP3 or MOVIE newsgroups? No, not yet - because Freenet is not yet matured to the point it could reliably handle the traffic of, say, abm.complete-CD.mp3. There is a "music" client in development and some MP3 traffic is starting to show up - but I doubt it's going to be widely used for this until someone makes an all-in-wonderful single click "freenet.mp3" windows client installer. And even then it won't, until there are enough users to achieve a critical mass that would provide the speed of indexing "non geek" users demand.
However, there are all sorts of "groups" just within frost. If "all you could find" is child porn, then I would posit "all you visited" were CHILD PORN GROUPS. Granted you aren't likely to find that stuff on usenet or the web (unless you know where to look), but then again so what? That's likely why it's on freenet.
I keep seeing articles on places like WIRED and MSNBC that quote "facts" from government agencies like "there are 500 new child pornography websites opened each month" and yet, I must say, despite being on the web about a decade now and doing all sorts of research for arguments like this one, I've never seen one of these "child porn" websites myself. Oh, I do know about the multitude of sites like Webe web operates, or even the nudie ones like the russian mob set up. But these people are apparently talking about hard core sites (they often mention sexual activity, which means these ain't pinup pictures) and I honestly have to wonder how they are finding these things, or even if they truly are.
Anyway... I have a freenet node. I've been mucking about with it for some time now. I set it up for NG routing and, despite being on dialup, I find it almost usable. I've found some cool stuff on there, like the banned linux girls website. And there is, in the listing of "The Freedom Engine," a couple of clearly labeled child porn sites. But this is a long, long way from being "most" or even "a lot" of the links listed in that search engine. If you are finding a preponderance of child porn, an experienced freenet user can only conclude that you are following a multitude of child porn links from the search engine and visiting chld porn newsgroups in Frost.
And yeah, if you look for it, you will find it; that's the entire point of freenet.
I'm a 41 year old introvert. NOT a hippie, but an aging punk, so don't think I'm some deadhead telling you how nothing compares to dick's picks.
Get out. Do it now. Unless your entire idea of music is Spice Girls and Britney Spears, you're missing out greatly. And if those ARE your idea of music, you're missing out even more.
I love Siouxsie. I have collected, over the years, pretty much everything she's recorded with either the banshees or the creatures. But none of them compare to going to a live event. Other bands, like Smashing Pumpkins/Machines/Zwan absolutely, positively need to be experienced live. Radiohead, White Stripes, Lydia Lunch, Emmylou harris - hell, even the (former) Spice Girls. If you like music, you need to get out and experience it live. Even music you think you don't like, or music you don't know if you'd like.
Two in one day! The monkey with the mod points is really on a roll.
Keep it up; I treasure the "trolls" and "flamebaits" far more than the dittohead responses. In fact, I'm going to wrap them up in a bow and send'em to Torvalds...
Because money is what makes it harder for "independants" to compete. If you devalue the money, you chip away at the foundation of the power structure. Remove money from the equation, and the forces are more equal.
Example: linux. Lots of talk about not being able to profit from software outside the corporate office. Why do you think that is?
Because software is dirt. You may not like it that way, but them's the facts. In fact, if software were not dirt the IT boom may never have happened, because it was cheap business software that became free home software that drove the commoditization of the PC.
So, if you're selling dirt, how do you make money off it? Yeah, if you have a vast reserve of land you can sell it by the truckload and make money, but there are relatively few who will be able to succeed with that model. The rest of us are going to have to do something with it - turn it into concrete roads, bridges, buildings - because that's the only avenue to profit: adding value.
Mom doesn't care that she can use scripts and free source and make her desktop kewl. Mom wants to write papers for school, or watch movies, or email friends. Hard to add value to something that has so little to begin with. But if you're going to sell mom a system, better you to have that extra $100 than Uncle Bill.
Most everyone I know who has a home PC but doesn't work in an office asks abotu classes. Even many who work in offices have asked about classes in how to use their PCs. They already have "free" software - it came with their computer - but they don't know jack about using it.
Now, if you're going to offer these people classes and support, where is the value in their "free" software? They already need (and want) handholding - just ask and you'll see this is true. So if you to teach and support, you add value to "free." That's something mom understands. It doesn't matter if she can exchange word docs with Madge at the office, because she doesn't fucking know Madge at the office. What matters is if she can download shit from kazaa, and email people, and surf the internet. And play games - most of which, ironically, can be had on ISOs and rented at the corner store. So Mom doesn't need windows for that either - mom needs an emulator. An emulator that runs under linux. So basically, mom doesn't need windows. But there's no one to tell her that - despite the fact she's asking!
Bill Gates is not going to come to mom's house and show her how to better use her PC. Bill Gates is not going to offer classes at the community center, or run a computer camp at the local church group. And he himself has made certain his software appears to be "free," which means "we" cannot compete on price. Nor should we even want to, since software is just dirt anyway.
Evian gets more money for a bottle of water than coke gets for a bottle of soda or even than budweiser gets for a bottle of beer. What do they offer? A pretty package! That's it - it's all hype. Any difference at all is completely marginal, and certainly nothing a twenty dollar water filter wouldn't allow one to derive from the kitchen faucet.
Apple is making scads of money selling open source software - open source software with a pretty new package and lots of marketing.
Compare this to linux. What are the offerings? Business, IT, corporate infrastructure, blah blah blah - and then Lycoris and Lindows. You either get Kissinger droning on in monotone or you get Britney's slutty kid sister with the personality disorder.
In the (tiny) consumer sector they do everything they can to make linux Windows. It wants to be windows, but it's just not quite there. How can you expect mom to see value in that? Windows is, from her POV, already free. So by that standard linux is not even as good as something she gets free. How are you going to compete on
price like that?
Until this community stops acting like an unwanted stepchild and develops some real self esteem,
I take it you don't contribute ANY work to ANY open source projects?
I choose to affect change by passing on the money. By devaluing things others charge money for, you affect change by making it harder for the establishment to compete. Example: If Wal-Mart wants to use your database software on their network you have about a snowball's chance of even finding out about it, much less making them pay. But if everyone has access to that same code, then Wal-Mart has that much less of an advantage in the marketplace.
Who needs a plugin extendable "media framework" when the player simply works?
Anyone who wants to see linux succeed as something more than a BDD (braindeaddesktop) for consumer media playback - that's who. Without an easily extendable structure based upon standardized "pathways" every new app will have to recreate (or patch) all those codecs and media pathways.
Ever "rip" a DVD? Without "rippers" you would have much less "free" content to play on that player. And one tool in the toolkit of most rippers is AVISynth. Try making an app like that run on a system that doesn't have an extensible media playback/authoring structure.
I realize dependancy hell is considered the linux nirvana, but for most of the folks who DON'T want to get a fucking CS degree just so they can make their own anime music videos or dvds for grandma, this feature is an absolute necessity. I installed XP on a system two weeks ago for a young friend and within three days she had already made a few music videos. This was on a system that would not properly run either linux nor win2k - but XP just installed, worked OOTB, and in just an afternoon of playing with the thing she had crafted together her first music video from all those MPEG and AVI clips she collected from kazaa.
Granted this was with OOTB tools and, if linux would actually run on her system (I mean, with sound and reasonably HQ video playback) I might have been able to install a primitive media authoring tool that would compete with the thing that ships with XP. So even tho it may have been more work for me, from her perspective linux would have been just as easy to use as XP.
Except there isn't such an app for linux, really. Wonder why?
Ask around and you will most certainly find someone with an old system in the closet. Download the IPCOP (21MB) ISO (don't even mess with smoothwall, it doesn't support ipchains and the CEO is a dickhead that cannot be trusted), burn it to a CD, and install it on said old system.
Now you have NAT on your 56k line AND security AND accounting AND a means of blocking the spammers when they start port scanning you.
Anyone connecting a windows machine directly to the net is just asking for it. Thing is, if you do that you'll probably never even know how many times your system has been compromised, or what has been "borrowed" from you.
Is this for real education or just a toy? If the goal is education then thinking in terms of wire and solder is antiquated - like teaching vacuum tube design to freshmen just because it's easier than understanding holes and heatsinks.
Better I would think to start with an FPGA. I did a lab like this when I was in school - not that it was being taught in the course, just that I was bored with the labs so decided to make my lab reports more interesting. Take an adder (in my case it was an actual 74181) and show how it's incorporated into a "real" CPU. Then counters, memory, etc. You can introduce it a module at a time, build a lab project around it (like wiring the FPGA as a basic adder and flipping switches on the workbench) then use it as part of the next project to make a more complex ALU. Keep going piece by piece and you've not only made everyone relatively comfy with a soldering iron and proto boards, you've also prepared them for senior classes and CAD tools.
There's a bazillion premade CPUs on the market now that have several on chip peripherals. But every one of them in low quantity is relatively expensive at $20 or more. Why not just spend that on an FPGA (or even twice that) and teach some skills that will help qualify students for something better than "skilled labor" assembly line work?
So in a few more years we might have clean fast food restaraunts where people dressed in something more attractive than a brown plastic uniform bring food to your table?
Remember the old diners? Where you walk in, sit down at a booth, and a smiling (or not) waitress takes your order? Then you rummage through the jukebox console hanging from the end of your booth, pick a couple of songs, and shovel a quarter in? Enjoy a couple of tunes whole you wait for your meal...
So the difference is now the console takes your order and your money - but it doesn't play music because that would disturb the others that may not like your taste. But that doesn't matter anyway, because you won't even be able to enjoy one song before your food gets shoveled onto the table by someone earning $5 an hour. So.. there are fewer fast food employees, which means even more profit for the clown. But what about the person who brings the food?
Will there be a throwback to the old days where you could leave change on the table knowing it would go to someone who did some actual work? Probably not, because YOU are the person placing your order AND busing your table. You are oblivious to the person doing the work, because she only brings you a tray and then wipes the table down with disinfectant AFTER you have left.
I am sure something else will come along to reestablish the balance. But I honestly don't see it happening before a bunch of people end up with their heads on sticks.
You're kidding, right? All three of those things would be extremely useful in an organizational structure. The only thing I see mentioned in the article that would NOT be "needed" in an emergency is one thing you didn't mention: games.
You have to pay soundexchange regardless. It's law
You can say it a thousand fucking times, you can mod this into oblivion - the fact remains this is utterly WRONG. Online broadcasters are supposed to keep logs of all media served so they can account to the "BIG FIVE." Well, guess what? If you're doing your fucking job as is required in the first place (ie keeping those logs) and you really are NOT playing any of their works, then you have all the proof you need to disprove any assertions made by these clowns when they come knocking. And if they press the matter, under that same piece of law you have legal recourse not only in civil court, but the FTC will also likely be interested in hearing from you.
I want to see every webcaster get agreements in writing from 2000 indie labels.
Not terribly hard. A webform with a nicely labeled "submit" button is all it takes. All I hear from you is the same I hear from these "indies:" whining and deception.
...is a good investment when you have the winning ticket. Odds are, you're not going to buy a winning ticket. The question really is how many BAD investments are you willing to make? Billionaires don't get to be Billionaires by making thousands of bad investments, and Millionaires don't stay that way for long either.
None of this is going to change until someone does it. But NO ONE is going to do it by riding the RIAA's coat tails. That's why this battle is blindingly misguided, and why I have yet found a logical reason to support these allegedly "independent" webcasters.
If you want to "ween" society off the music of the RIAA, you would logically start with showing them how good alternatives are. Alternatives, in this case, NOT on RIAA label members.
There are plenty of good ones out there. I have absolutely no sympathy for "webcasters" who don't believe their own hype. If we are to overcome the RIAA and these "independant webcasters" are to lead that charge, they don't need the fucking RIAA to do it.
The time is long past to put up or shut up, and thus far no webcaster seems to have the self confidence to do the former. As a lover of many non-US signed bands and an aging punk formed in the age of DIY music, frankly, I find that attitude incredibly insulting.
Nope, they get no lovin' from me at all. I hope the RIAA wins this one, too - anything that makes it harder for online broadcasters to play the industry's overhyped corporate shit is better than the "freedom" these hypocritical fuckers portend to be fighting for in the name of "the little guy."
Exactly. Although I like the idea of making it a p2p app, myself: gives an onus for a lot of big players to operate some well connected freenet nodes...
The whole point is to validate identity. Are you saying no one does this on usenet? Can't be that, cuz you'd be very, very wrong.
There's already newsgroups devoted to exchanging spams for the purposed of filtering. Why on earth is it so hard to believe this would work for exchanging DNS blocks?
I can't resist pointing out that p2p would be an ideal carrier for such "blacklists." Of course, that means the only way anyone is going to make money from it is via donation... and probably not even then, if the lawyers have their way with the author.
I'm willing to bet the big news carriers would give an account to any legitimate operators of such a service. Sign every post from trusted list creators with a public key to ensure validity, and it would be nearly impossible to ddos the service.
Ooooh... what about making the list itself a p2p app? Perhaps this could be a great excuse to motivate some big corps to install some freenet nodes...
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There we go again, someone talking about "we netizens" as if "we" actually lived under One World Government.
There is ALREADY evidence of people leaving the US - voting wiht their feet - because of the insane US corporate-centric regulations. If "we" were "all ordered" to use "trusted" platforms you would see this amplify a hundred fold. All such regulation would do is quicken the loss of technical leadership the US is ALREADY experiencing in the world.
These things have a way of self balancing. Always did, always will. It's just a question of who suffers most, when.
We need a GUI based on markup. The whole damn thing. Make desktop creation as easy and convenient as writing a website. Sure, it'll mean a lot of ass ugly desktops... but then again, seems to me we already got that so no biggie.
It would be cool to see sun come out with a desktop that well incorporates java. Thing is I suspect this will be yet another crippled distro where "the good stuff" is locked away in some secret container, which means you might as well use vanilla debian or redhat and buy a "cooked" copy of WINE.
Because with the inevitable rate hikes around the corner wireless startups become even more viable. It's an incredibly stupid idea thinking we can foster competition using decades old, obsolete infrastructure already owned by some of the most powerful lobbying orgs on the hill. The more attractive wireless becomes the sooner we can begin breaking free from that monster and the more innovations we will enjoy.
Where I live there's a DSLAM 8 miles away and the fucking phone company - and the local ISPs - STILL don't offer DSL because no one will spend the money to spec the ancient crappy lines for service. I doubt being able to charge a bit more for a hundred potential customers is going to help that any. But the more wireless is used and developed, the faster it evolves. And wireless IS a potentially viable option out here - but it ain't there yet.
Yeah, it sucks for people who live in the city and have to pay another ten bucks a month for DSL. Whoopdeefucking doo, at least you have service and the money to pay for it. When I lived in LA I still payed $80 a month to pacbell for shit service, which is likely more than most of you pay now. We don't need cheap DSL, because much of the country won't ever get it at ANY price - we need NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. It takes money to develop that infrastructure, and this decision will help provide it.
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However, there are all sorts of "groups" just within frost. If "all you could find" is child porn, then I would posit "all you visited" were CHILD PORN GROUPS. Granted you aren't likely to find that stuff on usenet or the web (unless you know where to look), but then again so what? That's likely why it's on freenet.
I keep seeing articles on places like WIRED and MSNBC that quote "facts" from government agencies like "there are 500 new child pornography websites opened each month" and yet, I must say, despite being on the web about a decade now and doing all sorts of research for arguments like this one, I've never seen one of these "child porn" websites myself. Oh, I do know about the multitude of sites like Webe web operates, or even the nudie ones like the russian mob set up. But these people are apparently talking about hard core sites (they often mention sexual activity, which means these ain't pinup pictures) and I honestly have to wonder how they are finding these things, or even if they truly are.
Anyway... I have a freenet node. I've been mucking about with it for some time now. I set it up for NG routing and, despite being on dialup, I find it almost usable. I've found some cool stuff on there, like the banned linux girls website. And there is, in the listing of "The Freedom Engine," a couple of clearly labeled child porn sites. But this is a long, long way from being "most" or even "a lot" of the links listed in that search engine. If you are finding a preponderance of child porn, an experienced freenet user can only conclude that you are following a multitude of child porn links from the search engine and visiting chld porn newsgroups in Frost.
And yeah, if you look for it, you will find it; that's the entire point of freenet.
Get out. Do it now. Unless your entire idea of music is Spice Girls and Britney Spears, you're missing out greatly. And if those ARE your idea of music, you're missing out even more.
I love Siouxsie. I have collected, over the years, pretty much everything she's recorded with either the banshees or the creatures. But none of them compare to going to a live event. Other bands, like Smashing Pumpkins/Machines/Zwan absolutely, positively need to be experienced live. Radiohead, White Stripes, Lydia Lunch, Emmylou harris - hell, even the (former) Spice Girls. If you like music, you need to get out and experience it live. Even music you think you don't like, or music you don't know if you'd like.
Keep it up; I treasure the "trolls" and "flamebaits" far more than the dittohead responses. In fact, I'm going to wrap them up in a bow and send'em to Torvalds...
Example: linux. Lots of talk about not being able to profit from software outside the corporate office. Why do you think that is?
Because software is dirt. You may not like it that way, but them's the facts. In fact, if software were not dirt the IT boom may never have happened, because it was cheap business software that became free home software that drove the commoditization of the PC.
So, if you're selling dirt, how do you make money off it? Yeah, if you have a vast reserve of land you can sell it by the truckload and make money, but there are relatively few who will be able to succeed with that model. The rest of us are going to have to do something with it - turn it into concrete roads, bridges, buildings - because that's the only avenue to profit: adding value.
Mom doesn't care that she can use scripts and free source and make her desktop kewl. Mom wants to write papers for school, or watch movies, or email friends. Hard to add value to something that has so little to begin with. But if you're going to sell mom a system, better you to have that extra $100 than Uncle Bill.
Most everyone I know who has a home PC but doesn't work in an office asks abotu classes. Even many who work in offices have asked about classes in how to use their PCs. They already have "free" software - it came with their computer - but they don't know jack about using it.
Now, if you're going to offer these people classes and support, where is the value in their "free" software? They already need (and want) handholding - just ask and you'll see this is true. So if you to teach and support, you add value to "free." That's something mom understands. It doesn't matter if she can exchange word docs with Madge at the office, because she doesn't fucking know Madge at the office. What matters is if she can download shit from kazaa, and email people, and surf the internet. And play games - most of which, ironically, can be had on ISOs and rented at the corner store. So Mom doesn't need windows for that either - mom needs an emulator. An emulator that runs under linux. So basically, mom doesn't need windows. But there's no one to tell her that - despite the fact she's asking!
Bill Gates is not going to come to mom's house and show her how to better use her PC. Bill Gates is not going to offer classes at the community center, or run a computer camp at the local church group. And he himself has made certain his software appears to be "free," which means "we" cannot compete on price. Nor should we even want to, since software is just dirt anyway.
Evian gets more money for a bottle of water than coke gets for a bottle of soda or even than budweiser gets for a bottle of beer. What do they offer? A pretty package! That's it - it's all hype. Any difference at all is completely marginal, and certainly nothing a twenty dollar water filter wouldn't allow one to derive from the kitchen faucet.
Apple is making scads of money selling open source software - open source software with a pretty new package and lots of marketing.
Compare this to linux. What are the offerings? Business, IT, corporate infrastructure, blah blah blah - and then Lycoris and Lindows. You either get Kissinger droning on in monotone or you get Britney's slutty kid sister with the personality disorder.
In the (tiny) consumer sector they do everything they can to make linux Windows. It wants to be windows, but it's just not quite there. How can you expect mom to see value in that? Windows is, from her POV, already free. So by that standard linux is not even as good as something she gets free. How are you going to compete on price like that?
Until this community stops acting like an unwanted stepchild and develops some real self esteem,
Flamebait indeed...
I choose to affect change by passing on the money. By devaluing things others charge money for, you affect change by making it harder for the establishment to compete. Example: If Wal-Mart wants to use your database software on their network you have about a snowball's chance of even finding out about it, much less making them pay. But if everyone has access to that same code, then Wal-Mart has that much less of an advantage in the marketplace.
Anyone who wants to see linux succeed as something more than a BDD (braindeaddesktop) for consumer media playback - that's who. Without an easily extendable structure based upon standardized "pathways" every new app will have to recreate (or patch) all those codecs and media pathways.
Ever "rip" a DVD? Without "rippers" you would have much less "free" content to play on that player. And one tool in the toolkit of most rippers is AVISynth. Try making an app like that run on a system that doesn't have an extensible media playback/authoring structure.
I realize dependancy hell is considered the linux nirvana, but for most of the folks who DON'T want to get a fucking CS degree just so they can make their own anime music videos or dvds for grandma, this feature is an absolute necessity. I installed XP on a system two weeks ago for a young friend and within three days she had already made a few music videos. This was on a system that would not properly run either linux nor win2k - but XP just installed, worked OOTB, and in just an afternoon of playing with the thing she had crafted together her first music video from all those MPEG and AVI clips she collected from kazaa.
Granted this was with OOTB tools and, if linux would actually run on her system (I mean, with sound and reasonably HQ video playback) I might have been able to install a primitive media authoring tool that would compete with the thing that ships with XP. So even tho it may have been more work for me, from her perspective linux would have been just as easy to use as XP.
Except there isn't such an app for linux, really. Wonder why?
Now you have NAT on your 56k line AND security AND accounting AND a means of blocking the spammers when they start port scanning you.
Anyone connecting a windows machine directly to the net is just asking for it. Thing is, if you do that you'll probably never even know how many times your system has been compromised, or what has been "borrowed" from you.
Better I would think to start with an FPGA. I did a lab like this when I was in school - not that it was being taught in the course, just that I was bored with the labs so decided to make my lab reports more interesting. Take an adder (in my case it was an actual 74181) and show how it's incorporated into a "real" CPU. Then counters, memory, etc. You can introduce it a module at a time, build a lab project around it (like wiring the FPGA as a basic adder and flipping switches on the workbench) then use it as part of the next project to make a more complex ALU. Keep going piece by piece and you've not only made everyone relatively comfy with a soldering iron and proto boards, you've also prepared them for senior classes and CAD tools.
There's a bazillion premade CPUs on the market now that have several on chip peripherals. But every one of them in low quantity is relatively expensive at $20 or more. Why not just spend that on an FPGA (or even twice that) and teach some skills that will help qualify students for something better than "skilled labor" assembly line work?
Oh... wait... damn, they're gonna do that, too.
Remember the old diners? Where you walk in, sit down at a booth, and a smiling (or not) waitress takes your order? Then you rummage through the jukebox console hanging from the end of your booth, pick a couple of songs, and shovel a quarter in? Enjoy a couple of tunes whole you wait for your meal...
So the difference is now the console takes your order and your money - but it doesn't play music because that would disturb the others that may not like your taste. But that doesn't matter anyway, because you won't even be able to enjoy one song before your food gets shoveled onto the table by someone earning $5 an hour. So.. there are fewer fast food employees, which means even more profit for the clown. But what about the person who brings the food?
Will there be a throwback to the old days where you could leave change on the table knowing it would go to someone who did some actual work? Probably not, because YOU are the person placing your order AND busing your table. You are oblivious to the person doing the work, because she only brings you a tray and then wipes the table down with disinfectant AFTER you have left.
I am sure something else will come along to reestablish the balance. But I honestly don't see it happening before a bunch of people end up with their heads on sticks.
Heeere, kitty, kitty...
You can say it a thousand fucking times, you can mod this into oblivion - the fact remains this is utterly WRONG. Online broadcasters are supposed to keep logs of all media served so they can account to the "BIG FIVE." Well, guess what? If you're doing your fucking job as is required in the first place (ie keeping those logs) and you really are NOT playing any of their works, then you have all the proof you need to disprove any assertions made by these clowns when they come knocking. And if they press the matter, under that same piece of law you have legal recourse not only in civil court, but the FTC will also likely be interested in hearing from you.
I want to see every webcaster get agreements in writing from 2000 indie labels.
Not terribly hard. A webform with a nicely labeled "submit" button is all it takes. All I hear from you is the same I hear from these "indies:" whining and deception.
Bullshit. Why do you people invent shit like this?
None of this is going to change until someone does it. But NO ONE is going to do it by riding the RIAA's coat tails. That's why this battle is blindingly misguided, and why I have yet found a logical reason to support these allegedly "independent" webcasters.
There are plenty of good ones out there. I have absolutely no sympathy for "webcasters" who don't believe their own hype. If we are to overcome the RIAA and these "independant webcasters" are to lead that charge, they don't need the fucking RIAA to do it.
The time is long past to put up or shut up, and thus far no webcaster seems to have the self confidence to do the former. As a lover of many non-US signed bands and an aging punk formed in the age of DIY music, frankly, I find that attitude incredibly insulting.
Nope, they get no lovin' from me at all. I hope the RIAA wins this one, too - anything that makes it harder for online broadcasters to play the industry's overhyped corporate shit is better than the "freedom" these hypocritical fuckers portend to be fighting for in the name of "the little guy."
Exactly. Although I like the idea of making it a p2p app, myself: gives an onus for a lot of big players to operate some well connected freenet nodes...
Sounds to me like Mauricio has job security. Better that than for his kids to join the others on the street.
There's already newsgroups devoted to exchanging spams for the purposed of filtering. Why on earth is it so hard to believe this would work for exchanging DNS blocks?
I'm willing to bet the big news carriers would give an account to any legitimate operators of such a service. Sign every post from trusted list creators with a public key to ensure validity, and it would be nearly impossible to ddos the service.
Ooooh... what about making the list itself a p2p app? Perhaps this could be a great excuse to motivate some big corps to install some freenet nodes...
more irony...
There is ALREADY evidence of people leaving the US - voting wiht their feet - because of the insane US corporate-centric regulations. If "we" were "all ordered" to use "trusted" platforms you would see this amplify a hundred fold. All such regulation would do is quicken the loss of technical leadership the US is ALREADY experiencing in the world.
These things have a way of self balancing. Always did, always will. It's just a question of who suffers most, when.
It would be cool to see sun come out with a desktop that well incorporates java. Thing is I suspect this will be yet another crippled distro where "the good stuff" is locked away in some secret container, which means you might as well use vanilla debian or redhat and buy a "cooked" copy of WINE.
Where I live there's a DSLAM 8 miles away and the fucking phone company - and the local ISPs - STILL don't offer DSL because no one will spend the money to spec the ancient crappy lines for service. I doubt being able to charge a bit more for a hundred potential customers is going to help that any. But the more wireless is used and developed, the faster it evolves. And wireless IS a potentially viable option out here - but it ain't there yet.
Yeah, it sucks for people who live in the city and have to pay another ten bucks a month for DSL. Whoopdeefucking doo, at least you have service and the money to pay for it. When I lived in LA I still payed $80 a month to pacbell for shit service, which is likely more than most of you pay now. We don't need cheap DSL, because much of the country won't ever get it at ANY price - we need NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. It takes money to develop that infrastructure, and this decision will help provide it.