Presario = toy Proliant = close to being a decent server
Sco 5.0.7 doesn't have much more than 5.0.4 did. It has a few new features, but nothing that would cause the majority of their customers to want to upgrade. 5.0.4 is Y2k with a patch, so why bother? Especially for people running a bunch of terminal emulated apps.
The thing they're doing with 5.0.x where x = 5,6,7 is adding "newer" hardware and kernel packet filtering etc.. big whoop.
I've worked with SCO products since the XENIX days, around 2.3.2 or something along those lines. Back in their time, SCO XENIX was pretty good, as compared to the other X86 offerings back then. I have my SCO CUSA, SCO ACE, and SCO Master ACE for both OpenServer, and UnixWare 7. I worked for my area's best reseller a few years ago when their technical expertise was the tops.
About five years ago, Linux was starting to get known by most people in the computer field, but was still not catching on big. It was at a point where you could run it on decent hardware and have a machine that was every bit as nice, and then some, as an Intel box running OpenServer 5.0.x. I told my bosses then that this was going to be the up and coming thing. Two of them agreed and said SCO would get their ass kicked, and one of them said it wasn't going to catch on. I love being right.;-)
The vast majority of our UNIX customers ran OpenServer, not UnixWare. We could hardly get UnixWare out the door, because legacy applications vendors stuck with OpenServer. UnixWare was a non-seller.
My questions are as follows:
- Why wasn't SCO able to get the software vendors on-board to switch to UnixWare so that the VARs could follow through and have a new revenue stream? Without that, the OpenServer sales died off after Y2K.
- Why didn't SCO watch Linux more closely and get their ass in gear when everyone in the industry realized more than five years ago that Linux was going to cook SCO's goose.
- OpenServer 5's X windows is just plain fugly. Five years ago, RedHat 5.0 was fast, easy to install, and had a beautiful interface compared to OpenServer 5. Why didn't SCO realize they had a chance to do something with their user interface and target the desktop market, even before Windows 95 came along?
- Why does SCO, after having dropped the ball over and over and over again, and after having failed miserably at keeping up with technology (meaning not even trying), think that they are entitled to win a lawsuit, especially since their lack of keeping up with the rest of the world has rendered them obsolete?
- Does SCO expect what's left of their reseller base to remain loyal to their following, especially since most of their resellers probably use and love Linux?
I didn't know anyone ever took him seriously!...yeah, I remember the good ol' days when IIS was in use in over 90% of the web servers.. at Microsoft that is..
I see nowhere on that page showing anything about Adobe choosing the PC over the Mac. All I see is that they show that the PC is faster. So? The PCs have always outperformed the Mac, especially when you compare dollar for dollar.
I don't really like Adobe all that much, but the link from the above story doesn't make me feel at all like they have "gone PC."
Please, editors, be more choosy next time. (But don't choose GIF.. pun!)
MTV? I remember when they were about the music. I also remember when SciFi was about Science Fiction. As of 3/21 at 9:00 EST they were no longer about SciFi.
I am an American citizen. (I can hear the flames already. No, I'm not pro-war.)
I believe the H1-B program, as it is currently being implemented, is just plain wrong for the U.S.A. for the following simple reasons:
- Paying a foreigner less than an American just because you can is immoral and racist.
- Throwing a citizen out on the streets, because you can pay a foreigner less, increases the burden on taxpayers, both by taxpayers paying more to support the unemployed, and by the employer contributing less in taxes.
- Corporations, by increasing the burden on taxpayers so they can make an extra buck, are causing the economy to crumble even further. Cities and States must raise taxes to make up for it, increasing the burden on taxpayers even more.
- These same corporations, by exacerbating the recession, ironically, are causing themselves loss in profit. Corporate accountants don't see it that way. This loss doesn't show up on the books, so it is invisible to them. Their view of the world stops at the edge of the ledger.
What to do?
Either:
- Get rid of the H1-B program altogether.
-or-
- (preferred) Make it mandatory to pay H1-B prevailing wages, and contribute to the tax pool, e.g. social security, etc. the same as you would an American.
That would solve the problems of corporations abusing H1-Bs in order to bilk the taxpayers and pocket the profits. There's nothing wrong with making a profit. There -IS- something wrong with making a profit by ripping other people off.
Oh yeah, any of y'all got your money back from Ken Lay yet?
These folks have pretty much turned on us. I spent a great deal of effort learning UNIX, getting my SCO CUSA, ACE, and Master ACE. SCO ruined that by no longer being competitive, not keeping up with technology, not marketing their products well, and mistreating their reseller channel. They got their asses kicked by a college student in Finland because they got lazy and stupid. It serves them right. I am now questioning whether or not I should have tried to become a dealer of their wares when I struck out on my own.
I'm finished when 'em. I'll support their products while my clients still have them, but as soon as the first opportunity to upgrade comes along, we're migrating!
Here is an excerpt about who the money grabbers are, and when they acquired for.001 per share: http://biz.yahoo.com/t/s/scox.html
Here is my new policy: http://www.dentar.com/index.php?scoproble m
Pay for ONE SYSTEM to be on the red hat network. Tell up2date to keep the files it downloads. Write a script to grab all of those and install them on the rest of the machines too. (Assumes default install etc...)
Better yet, be a real geek and type ftp updates.redhat.com and then use get.
...however, pr0n does become a problem when people who aren't consenting adults are made to be participants (e.g. kids, minors, animals, inebriated people, etc...)
In your humble opinion, when dealing with large software vendors whose closed-source TCP/IP stack supposedly has more bugs than an open-source one, could too many cooks at the large vendor be spoiling the broth? In many large places, I notice that "teams" don't talk with one another.
Do you think that Linux, being "benevolent dictator" is a better model than having "teams" make every development decision by committee?
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Presario totally Proliant.
Presario = toy
Proliant = close to being a decent server
Sco 5.0.7 doesn't have much more than 5.0.4 did. It has a few new features, but nothing that would cause the majority of their customers to want to upgrade. 5.0.4 is Y2k with a patch, so why bother? Especially for people running a bunch of terminal emulated apps.
The thing they're doing with 5.0.x where x = 5,6,7 is adding "newer" hardware and kernel packet filtering etc.. big whoop.
I -AM- a slow adopter...
;-)
I don't have a DVD anything yet.
Well, Mr. Smarty Pants, s/everyone/almost everyone/g
Yeah, I covered my ass real good.. and they didn't make me come in on Saturday and Sunday that often.... ;-)
I've worked with SCO products since the XENIX days, around 2.3.2 or something along those lines. Back in their time, SCO XENIX was pretty good, as compared to the other X86 offerings back then. I have my SCO CUSA, SCO ACE, and SCO Master ACE for both OpenServer, and UnixWare 7. I worked for my area's best reseller a few years ago when their technical expertise was the tops.
;-)
About five years ago, Linux was starting to get known by most people in the computer field, but was still not catching on big. It was at a point where you could run it on decent hardware and have a machine that was every bit as nice, and then some, as an Intel box running OpenServer 5.0.x. I told my bosses then that this was going to be the up and coming thing. Two of them agreed and said SCO would get their ass kicked, and one of them said it wasn't going to catch on. I love being right.
The vast majority of our UNIX customers ran OpenServer, not UnixWare. We could hardly get UnixWare out the door, because legacy applications vendors stuck with OpenServer. UnixWare was a non-seller.
My questions are as follows:
- Why wasn't SCO able to get the software vendors on-board to switch to UnixWare so that the VARs could follow through and have a new revenue stream? Without that, the OpenServer sales died off after Y2K.
- Why didn't SCO watch Linux more closely and get their ass in gear when everyone in the industry realized more than five years ago that Linux was going to cook SCO's goose.
- OpenServer 5's X windows is just plain fugly. Five years ago, RedHat 5.0 was fast, easy to install, and had a beautiful interface compared to OpenServer 5. Why didn't SCO realize they had a chance to do something with their user interface and target the desktop market, even before Windows 95 came along?
- Why does SCO, after having dropped the ball over and over and over again, and after having failed miserably at keeping up with technology (meaning not even trying), think that they are entitled to win a lawsuit, especially since their lack of keeping up with the rest of the world has rendered them obsolete?
- Does SCO expect what's left of their reseller base to remain loyal to their following, especially since most of their resellers probably use and love Linux?
Mod points!
Mod points!
My kingdom for some mod points!
You would have earned mine!
Mod points! Mod points!
My kingdom for some mod points!
dude (or chick), that's funny. wish i had mod points. wish you'd posted as yourself.
I didn't know anyone ever took him seriously! ...yeah, I remember the good ol' days when IIS was in use in over 90% of the web servers.. at Microsoft that is..
Might as well, we've already repeatedly violated:
1st amendment
4th amendment
5th amendment
6th amendment
8th amendment
12th amendment
15th amendment
That becomes a non-issue if you always build your oft-used services from source. Yeah, I know, with larger server farms it's a pain in the arse.
Try checking out Linux From Scratch.
Build your own server distro and you'll never have to worry who goes down the tubes!
I see nowhere on that page showing anything about Adobe choosing the PC over the Mac. All I see is that they show that the PC is faster. So? The PCs have always outperformed the Mac, especially when you compare dollar for dollar.
I don't really like Adobe all that much, but the link from the above story doesn't make me feel at all like they have "gone PC."
Please, editors, be more choosy next time. (But don't choose GIF.. pun!)
George W. Bush to teach a class about articulation and pronunciation of the word "Nuclear."
MTV? I remember when they were about the music. I also remember when SciFi was about Science Fiction. As of 3/21 at 9:00 EST they were no longer about SciFi.
I am an American citizen. (I can hear the flames already. No, I'm not pro-war.)
I believe the H1-B program, as it is currently being implemented, is just plain wrong for the U.S.A. for the following simple reasons:
- Paying a foreigner less than an American just because you can is immoral and racist.
- Throwing a citizen out on the streets, because you can pay a foreigner less, increases the burden on taxpayers, both by taxpayers paying more to support the unemployed, and by the employer contributing less in taxes.
- Corporations, by increasing the burden on taxpayers so they can make an extra buck, are causing the economy to crumble even further. Cities and States must raise taxes to make up for it, increasing the burden on taxpayers even more.
- These same corporations, by exacerbating the recession, ironically, are causing themselves loss in profit. Corporate accountants don't see it that way. This loss doesn't show up on the books, so it is invisible to them. Their view of the world stops at the edge of the ledger.
What to do?
Either:
- Get rid of the H1-B program altogether.
-or-
- (preferred) Make it mandatory to pay H1-B prevailing wages, and contribute to the tax pool, e.g. social security, etc. the same as you would an American.
That would solve the problems of corporations abusing H1-Bs in order to bilk the taxpayers and pocket the profits. There's nothing wrong with making a profit. There -IS- something wrong with making a profit by ripping other people off.
Oh yeah, any of y'all got your money back from Ken Lay yet?
Wish I had mod points today... oh well
These folks have pretty much turned on us. I spent a great deal of effort learning UNIX, getting my SCO CUSA, ACE, and Master ACE. SCO ruined that by no longer being competitive, not keeping up with technology, not marketing their products well, and mistreating their reseller channel. They got their asses kicked by a college student in Finland because they got lazy and stupid. It serves them right. I am now questioning whether or not I should have tried to become a dealer of their wares when I struck out on my own.
.001 per share:
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I'm finished when 'em. I'll support their products while my clients still have them, but as soon as the first opportunity to upgrade comes along, we're migrating!
Here is an excerpt about who the money grabbers are, and when they acquired for
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/s/scox.html
Here is my new policy:
http://www.dentar.com/index.php?scoprobl
The trick:
Pay for ONE SYSTEM to be on the red hat network. Tell up2date to keep the files it downloads. Write a script to grab all of those and install them on the rest of the machines too. (Assumes default install etc...)
Better yet, be a real geek and type ftp updates.redhat.com and then use get.
...uh.. yeah.... if you could come in Saturday.. say about 9:00.. that'd be great... Oh yeah.. we'll also need you to come in on Sunday too.. yeah..
It didn't say they had to throw the current stuff away or migrate immediately. Just to not renew contracts or buy new. This isn't so hard to do.
... that Homer Simpson belonged to for a short time.. The Stonecutters.
"Who holds back the electric car? We do! We do!..."
...however, pr0n does become a problem when people who aren't consenting adults are made to be participants (e.g. kids, minors, animals, inebriated people, etc...)
The apostrophe abuse here makes me think that the guy who wrote this should be sent "memo's" about how to use "apostrophe's" AAAAAH!
How to use the apostrophe.
Linus, the benevolent dictator, not Linux. DOH! (Me sorry)
In your humble opinion, when dealing with large software vendors whose closed-source TCP/IP stack supposedly has more bugs than an open-source one, could too many cooks at the large vendor be spoiling the broth? In many large places, I notice that "teams" don't talk with one another.
Do you think that Linux, being "benevolent dictator" is a better model than having "teams" make every development decision by committee?