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The Tyranny of Email

Circuit Breaker writes "Are you or your co-workers using email instead of phone, face to face conversations, or instant messaging? Read this article, and hand out copies to your mates."

408 comments

  1. Every office I've worked in.... by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...in the last 5 years has been like this: people emailed their colleague in the next cubicle rather than just leaning over to talk to them. What's new?

    1. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I prefer e-mail: it keeps a permanent record and cut-and-paste saves typing it up in Outlook Tasks.

    2. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by casmithva · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...abuses phones just as much, if not more, than email. Why go see them or email them when you can just grab the cellphone, speed-dial 'em, and yack away? Ridiculous... I remember one day a few years ago at my current employer when I was talking with a manager about one of her underlings. She wanted to talk with him, and he was in the office next door. Instead of going to his office to talk, she pulled up the company's website-based phone directory and started looking for his name. I just shook my head and yelled, "Hey, Zippy, get in here!" He was there before she ever found his phone number. (Yes, the website and online phone directory were slow.)

      Technology so often times is the reason why we're not more productive...

    3. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's new is that slashdot editors just discovered this phenomenon. They're a bit slow, you see.

    4. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by jaavaaguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I talk to people using Gaim (on Jabber or MSN protocol) whenever possible, and hav full logging turned on. It makes for a more active conversation that e-mail - i.e. more productive, and it's still easy to copy & paste. Having a jabber server set up in the office keeps conversation secure too, instead of going via some server on the internet.

      E-mail is better for when you want to explain something in detail to someone or send them a document. Even then, I think it's better to put the document somewhere they have access to it and tell them where to get it. E-mail was designed for plain text and should remain that way :-)

    5. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by carlos_benj · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's new is that slashdot editors just discovered this phenomenon. They're a bit slow, you see.

      What? They didn't get my email about it?

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    6. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 1

      We do something similar where I work, CS department at University of Wisconsin. We use gaim for IRC and have a chatroom. Since some offices are on other floors, this is more convenient than walking up to see people, and it facilitates group discussions without sending out emails with a lot of cc's

      It works out well.

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    7. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think that's bad? Ever see two people run into a room, log onto computers that are sitting next to each other on the same table, and start up AOL Instant Messanger programs, so they can chat to each other?

      Not a pretty sight. I interrupted them to ask them why they didn't just turn 90 degrees and talk to one another. The resulting epiphany was priceless.

    8. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by MasterOfMagic · · Score: 1

      Having a jabber server set up in the office keeps conversation secure too, instead of going via some server on the internet.

      It's also good if you have people telecommuting as they can connect to your Jabber server from home, or for people in the field. Unfortunatly, not many people I talk to think about this.

    9. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except that such behavior causes remote users to connect to "some server on the internet." Security goes bye-bye.

    10. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      They can connect via SSL to a server in your office's DMZ. That way, it stays secure.

    11. Re:Every office I've worked in.... by warpath · · Score: 1

      Technology so often times is the reason why we're not more productive...

      Misapplication of technology is not technology's fault.

      In many cases, including your example, the problem is that people don't know when not use it. You probably wouldn't advocate getting rid of the online phone directory, right? The issue was that the manage in question picked the wrong tool (the directory) to solve the problem (getting the person in her office.)

  2. Do I have to by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny
    Read this article, and hand out copies to your mates.
    Can I not just email it to them?
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    1. Re:Do I have to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      yes i did the same but i had a strict instruction to read only after making copies using the nearest printer :P

    2. Re:Do I have to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The site is slash-dotted; could you please email a copy to me too? Thanks!

  3. Fascinating article by jht · · Score: 4, Funny

    I liked it so much, I emailed a link to my whole group!

    (whoops...)

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    1. Re:Fascinating article by wwwillem · · Score: 1

      I liked it so much, I emailed a link to my whole group!

      Ahhhh, got you!! So, it's your group that's responsible that the article is now SlashDotted ....

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  4. Well... by acehole · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure if I had someone trying to have a conversation with me about how I could increase my penis size to 15 inches or that I'm missing out on hot steamy sex with barely legal teens, they would be in for a world of hurt.

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    1. Re:Well... by ethx1 · · Score: 1

      What about a college diploma in less than 18 months from the comfort of your home?

      Now thats a deal

    2. Re:Well... by tomknight · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...with a boy builder's body...

      The mind boggles.

      Tom.

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    3. Re:Well... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Well, I think I'll just forward them the link, because if I talk to them in real life then they'd realize I wasn't 6'2" with a boy builder's body.

      Geppeto? Is that you? It's me, Pinocchio!! I'm trapped in a whale and all I have is a laptop with 802.11b access. I think I'm near a Starbucks or McDonalds somewhere close to shore. Please send help!

    4. Re:Well... by unicron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Homer: Sir! Uh, hello sir! Yes, you look like a man who needs help satisfying his wife. So - [man slugs him in the face] Ow! Oh...I guess people have some sort of _moral_ objection to our sex drug.

      Abe: [grabbing bottle] Lemme sell it, you idjit.

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    5. Re:Well... by Lythic · · Score: 1

      Boy would I appreciate having the opportunity.

    6. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Crap that's that's the funniest thing I've read in months!!!

    7. Re:Well... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      If the barely legal teens were real and actually offered real sex, I suspect many of us would just love to get the offer in person :-).

      D

    8. Re:Well... by Aumaden · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but think how much less spam you would get!

      --Aumaden

    9. Re:Well... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they've added that gag template to the STL by now...

    10. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with a boy builder's body.

      Well, that sure beats getting caught with the body builder's boy, that's for sure ..

    11. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I get an HELL YEAH?! :)

    12. Re:Well... by Stackis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      How this received a 5 for funny is beyond me... How bout a 0 for lame...

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    13. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      __YOU__ are lame

  5. Well... by NETHED · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I think I'll just forward them the link, because if I talk to them in real life then they'd realize I wasn't 6'2" with a boy builder's body.

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  6. Blast by Xner · · Score: 1

    Shashdotted already. Could someone that still has the page open please whore a bit?
    Thanks.

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    1. Re:Blast by kryonD · · Score: 1, Redundant

      The directions clearly said that copies should be handed out. You're just gonna have to wait.

      OK...fine...maybe someone will email it to you ;)

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  7. YES I WILL DO THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok i will try doing this...email is dead

  8. Slashdotted by supergiovane · · Score: 2, Redundant

    The article seems already slashdotted. Can someone e-mail me a copy, please?

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    1. Re:Slashdotted by ethx1 · · Score: 1

      They just dont make servers like they used too...

    2. Re:Slashdotted by cetan · · Score: 1

      First the /. crowd hits it and then forwards the url on to the (more than likely) non-/. crowd. Double the pain I say.

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    3. Re:Slashdotted by fobbman · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I'd rather read it to you over the phone.

    4. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score: +1, insightfully funny!

    5. Re:Slashdotted by brejc8 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try
      the mirror

  9. Multi-Task by CowboyNick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find that using email makes me more efficient by allowing me to have multiple conversations at once, as well as see the history of the conversation in all of the replies.

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    1. Re:Multi-Task by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Face to face conversations are for hard problem resolving or when more emotional feedback is required.

      The phones just nasty and intrusive.

      Email's great, you can forget what you read, but then find it later to recap. ( I send myself emails all the time!)

      You can proof important emails to avoid a slip of the tounge.

      And most importantly emails can be sorted and prioritised.

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    2. Re:Multi-Task by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 1

      I find that using email makes me more efficient by allowing me to have multiple conversations at once, as well as see the history of the conversation in all of the replies.

      Exactly. And I've got the expression that at least some people make up their mind before they send an email, so that their writing is somewhat coherent. This saves me a lot of time. And the asynchronous nature of email enables to schedule my time and allocate it to the most important issue at hand. And people accept auto-generated bulk messages if they contain useful content. If you know how to use it properly, email scales extremely well.

      For example, last week, we used email to coordinate efforts to patch or shut down about 1000 boxes running Sendmail (yes, we had a backup strategy if mail communication had beomce impossible because of a worm or something like that). We had to notify about 200 organizational units, and 80 of them required special attention because they wouldn't deal with it on their own. Of course, this isn't a big deal, but try to do this without email and just two or three people.

    3. Re:Multi-Task by jkiryako · · Score: 1

      I like the fact that there's a history of the conversation, but I also find that people are using e-mail as though it were instant messaging. Each e-mail exchange is very short and after three exchanges I just give up and use the phone.

    4. Re:Multi-Task by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm.... I only use the phone to resolve small issues or to organise meeting someone.

    5. Re:Multi-Task by MrPotatoeHead · · Score: 1

      "You can proof important emails to avoid a slip of the tounge."

      yes but overlooking typos is ok... :)

    6. Re:Multi-Task by bdr1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great Points!

      Email is not only a great way to archive and reference issues, writing itself forces one to think out wtf is actually being said.

      Too often I've been on the `phone with sales/mgt types who need to "talk through" some point that could be communicated in a few succint lines.

    7. Re:Multi-Task by Squonk01 · · Score: 1
      Speaking of sorting and prioritizing, Mark Hurst explains his system for this in "Managing Incoming E-mail: What Every User Needs to Know" goodexperience.com (free registration required)
      • Don't use your inbox for storage--immediately delete, respond or move it into another folder
      • If it takes less than 5 minutes to respond to an email, then do it on the spot
    8. Re:Multi-Task by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Text is text. "Instant messaging" is nothing more than presence monitoring and a half-assed email client.

    9. Re:Multi-Task by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work at home, so it can be very difficult to manage work vs. home time. When my company was just starting out I would leave the ringer on all the time, after all everything was important right? Then after a few years and getting sick of being woken up to "Hey, there is this stupid bug, can you fix it someday?" I would turn the ringer off when I was sleeping. Then after a few years I would forget to turn the ringer back on half the time. Then when I got a girlfriend I bitched my coworkers out, telling them not to call during non-working hours, not to waste my fucking time with inane questions all the time, to actually compose their thoughts and email it to me, and if they are going to do a conference call, let me fucking know ahead of time so I can be around.

      Then I just turned the ringer off all the time and they don't call much anymore anyway.

      In the end, I get more time and people have to figure more shit out on their own without using my time to do it for them. If it's worth calling about, it's worth putting in email, and we meet in person once in a while.

      Email rules. The phone is evil.

  10. A smaller problem than.. by CausticWindow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the tyranny of Instant Messaging?

    At least for me it is.

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    1. Re:A smaller problem than.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow your work sounds pretty shitty, tyranny from your e-mail, tyranny from your instant messaging, tyranny from your boss. Soon you'll be nothing more than a tyrann-oed wrecks. I know it's bad..

    2. Re:A smaller problem than.. by Ravenscall · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tyrannosaurus Rex is a vic-20 with E-mail apparently

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    3. Re:A smaller problem than.. by MCZapf · · Score: 1

      No kidding. A conversation takes about 5 times as long over IM as it would in person or on the phone. Plus, it's better to actually hear someone's voice, I think.

    4. Re:A smaller problem than.. by CowboyNick · · Score: 1

      I think this depends on whom you are talking to (and how fast you can type :)). Sometimes strong accents and other distractions like bad signals on a cell phone can make the conversation slow and painful, vs. with IM, you are the one reading at your own pace.

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    5. Re:A smaller problem than.. by RFC959 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but you can log IM conversations and have a record of them (I suppose you could tape all your phone conversations, but searching your tape library would be a bitch) and it's much easier to hold multiple IMs at the same time, or a multi-user chat, than it is to do the same thing on the phone.

  11. it's nice to talk just to him by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 1

    i work in an office with 6 people and if i want to talk to just one of them, i write him/her an email.
    it's just a polite thing: this way i don't disturb the other people in the office.
    so email is very handy in some situations, even if we are one in front of the other.

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  12. Consider yourself lucky by sh00z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my office, everyone relies on the phone. Imagine sitting in the cube between two people having a phone discussion, and hearing it in stereo.

    1. Re:Consider yourself lucky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd consider him lucky, too. I'm within earshot of some geese with a 1-out-of-10 grasp of cubicle etiquette. Let me know if you'd like to hear the latest on Tom Cruise, J-Lo, or the weather in the greater Detroit area.

    2. Re:Consider yourself lucky by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just imagine being deeply involved in doing your job and having your concentration broken by some annonymous person ringing a bell and you having to drop what you are doing and respond immediately. Only to find that it's Earl from accounting wanting to know where his TPS forms are.

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    3. Re:Consider yourself lucky by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine sitting in the cube between two people having a phone discussion, and hearing it in stereo.

      And both of them are on speakerphone. AAARRRGGGG!

    4. Re:Consider yourself lucky by oogoliegoogolie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh god, being caught between two "phonies" is so annoying. In my department one pseudo-manager phones her underlings every 20 minutes to talk about their work on the current project ("did you compile yet?", "did you change that variable name yet?","I think we should do it this way"), yet she sits in a cubicle 10 feet away from them and can easily stand up and have a conversation in a normal tone of voice. Luckily I sit away from them and don't hear them anymore, but a coworker of mine sits right in the middle and he hears the whole conversation in stereo-she asks a question, he answers, she replies. Ridiculous.

      Meanwhile I sit beside a manager who's native language is French and if you've ever been to queerbec you know how boisterous they can get. His french buddy comes by a half dozen times a day and all I hear is "Pouvoir Boivoir Voulaiz Sucretz Viva bonjoir!" one decibel short of shouting for the next 20 minutes.

      Then you got the ones who for some reason think that the office phone is not enough for them and have to leave their cell phones on so everyone can listen to their stupid customized ringer tootin the theme to the A-Team or something. At least take it with you or turn it off when you leave your desk.

      Thank god for email! Unlike speaking or the phone, it doesn't make noise, other people's email doesn't distract you, you don't have to read it immediately, and you can ignore the little envelope icon until you are finished with your current task.

    5. Re:Consider yourself lucky by satterth · · Score: 1
      Yeah, i know... its freakin anoying. I got so pissed off i moved accross the office to a different space when the chance came up. Just to find out that everyone else does it to. Arrrrgggg

      I have to find some sort of wistle type device that produces enough interfance to make them speaker phones screach with joy. That will teach them.

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  13. Slashdotted, but... by marko123 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Can someone post the story in reply to this comment, so I can get it by email notification?

    Thanks

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  14. tyranny? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    I use e-mail to AVOID telephones and face-to-face and IM.... its my favorite medium for being anti-social (just at work cause everyone sucks)...

    1. Re:tyranny? by flajann · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I received typically 400 e-mails PER DAY. Avoid face contact? I actually have to go out of my way to get F2F contact! And yet at home we have more than one computer per household memeber, and I still tell my wife to e-mail me -- from the other side of the room!!! E-mail is a medium all to itself. As far as for solving problems, it depends. Complex problems, I'll have to agree, do better in meeting rooms and around coolers -- where there is a high person-to-person exchange. Low bandwidth p2p exchanges are better suited for e-mail. E-mail does give you the big advantage of automatically having a written record of the conversation. That could also be a problem, too, since such records can be subpeonaed! I wish everyone would use encryption with their e-mails. That way, you can simply "forget" the pw if someone wants to dig in...

    2. Re:tyranny? by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jon Katz, is that you?

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  15. Two points - not quite, IMO by LookSharp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The two objections to email listed in the article are:

    1. It breaks your concentration.
    2. It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.

    I'll go with the second one, as you don't get any hands on experience, or any ad hoc give and take communication about the problems you are addressing. Meetings, phone calls, and face to face are really required for a lot of complex problems. (Many cut and dry tech questions can still be answered efficiently in email, however).

    The first point-- that it "breaks your concentration-- to me is a matter of personal reaction to email. Are you compulsively checking it? Do you have audio and visual cues blasting you when something hits your inbox?

    I check my email at work frequently, but between phone calls and meetings and moments of work where I need to concentrate. And I certainly don't have the mailbox yelling at me or popping up reminders. My clients, coworkers, et al all get their answers in a timely fashion, just not instantaneously at all times.

    IM, on the other hand, is a different story. We're now using Lotus SameTime, and I find myself using the "I am Away" option quite frequently. Maybe the thrust of the article should have been IM and its annoyances?

    1. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by rearl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have to agree with you - I'd guess that it takes a pretty inexperienced user to have their mail program interrupt them every time a message arrives.

      I leave mine running, and just check it when I feel like it.

    2. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by supergiovane · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't have time to continuously check my e-mail at work. I have important things to do, such as compulsively click on 'refresh' button on ./ main page for first posts.

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    3. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by aziegler · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I've recently taken to having my email clients notify me of new email no more than once an hour. (I haven't yet added any heuristics to inform me sooner if there are particular keywords combined with a message of "high importance" per the sender's definition.)

      I don't feel dominated by email.

      -austin

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    4. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Inefficient problem solving? Sometimes when someone gives me in a meeting a not so trivial problem, I say that he should send me an email. On the top of my head I usually don't have all the solutions, and at the speed of speech I'm less efficient solving problems. And, of course, I have much more reference material and time to answer something with actual basis by email.

      There are things that I prefer to talk face to face. But for some others, email is the best way of communications.

      About IMs, I agree that it break your concentration. One of the advantages of email is that you takes care of them in your own time, but IM seems to be more used than phone if you see some friend online.

    5. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by pVoid · · Score: 1
      I personally find that both IM and Email checking are a symptom of boredom.

      Where I work, it's quite a natural thing to let an email sit in your inbox unchecked, or leave an IM popup unanswered for up to 5 minutes. Everyone expects it on the other end.

      I personally made a little plugin for my mail client that reads out the subject line of the email and a few of my colleagues use it and like it very much. It instantly lets you know what the email is about without ever having to even look in a different direction, let alone switching windows etc.

      It's all about work habits, I think we live in a fast food society where people expect there to be reasons and answers to all problems...

      <Great Booming Authoritative voice>The reason why we are unproductive is email.</Great Booming Authoritative voice>

      But in fact, it's much more a personal habit thing. If you go to google 200 times a day, it makes sense to put a quicklink somewhere easily accessible to avoid 200 3 click steps. On the other hand, it makes no sense having your desktop cluttered with such stupid links as "Nero Burner"... how many times do you burn discs a day?

      My point being that everyone makes their own productivity, there is no miracle answer, and Email is certainly not the plague it's made to be here...

    6. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by TheMidget · · Score: 1
      On the top of my head I usually don't have all the solutions, and at the speed of speech I'm less efficient solving problems.

      And with e-mail, nobody interrupts you when your run-on sentence overflows their two-bit stack either.

    7. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by TheMidget · · Score: 1
      I personally made a little plugin for my mail client that reads out the subject line of the email and a few of my colleagues use it and like it very much.

      Either you like to live dangerously, or you've found a miracle recipe against nasty porn spam... Or maybe the reason you like it so much is because some of your colleagues use it ;-)

    8. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nah, it's simpler than you think:

      You can configure it to read only emails that get dropped into certain folders, for example our Dev list, or Media list. My inbox doesn't get read. My trash can certainly doesn't get read.

      -- pVoid

    9. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by Frater+219 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The first point-- that it "breaks your concentration-- to me is a matter of personal reaction to email. Are you compulsively checking it? Do you have audio and visual cues blasting you when something hits your inbox?

      I agree fully. The telephone is much more of an interruption of concentration than email, by far -- but if my mail client were beeping or jangling at me whenever new mail comes in, I might see it the other way.

      #ifdef NERD_METAPHORS

      I do both coding and technical support in the course of my work. If I am in the middle of writing a piece of code and the phone rings, I have to do a mental stack backtrace to get out of "Python mode" and into "speaking English to humans mode". This leaves the large amount of program state I was holding in my head in a shambles that I have to completely reconstruct before I can get back to coding.

      However, if I receive an email, I will check it once I have reached some kind of pausing point in the code -- finish writing a function or module, or get the comments of what the current block is going to do sketched out. The user gets almost as fast of service (since I write small functions) and I get more code written. So email works much better in the course of my dual coding/support job than the phone does.

      #endif /* NERD_METAPHORS */

      However, I know people who use Eudora and have it set to full-on noisy mode, with the pop-up dialog box and the loud doo-DOO-doo! sound effect whenever new mail comes in. Gah. I could never work that way.

    10. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      s/cut and dry/cut and dried/
      </pedant>

    11. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by aallan · · Score: 1

      Either you like to live dangerously, or you've found a miracle recipe against nasty porn spam...

      SpamAssassin, I get one or two spams a week now, down from over a hundred a day (yes, seriously) before I implemented the filters.

      Al.
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    12. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, the article does not object to e-mail merely the way a lot of people use it. Second, you and the article writer are in complete agreement about point 1. The fact is that most people configure their e-mail clients so that they know about every e-mail straight away. I learned not to do that years ago. Perhaps companies should configure their e-mail servers to only deliver mail in batches every two hours say.

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    13. Re:Two points - not quite, IMO by dustman · · Score: 1


      #ifdef NERD_METAPHORS
      I do both coding and technical support in the course of my work. If I am in the middle of writing a piece of code and the phone rings, I have to do a mental stack backtrace to get out of "Python mode" and into "speaking English to humans mode". This leaves the large amount of program state I was holding in my head in a shambles that I have to completely reconstruct before I can get back to coding.

      However, if I receive an email, I will check it once I have reached some kind of pausing point in the code -- finish writing a function or module, or get the comments of what the current block is going to do sketched out. The user gets almost as fast of service (since I write small functions) and I get more code written. So email works much better in the course of my dual coding/support job than the phone does.
      #endif /* NERD_METAPHORS */

      I have seen people saying this before, but I've never had a problem with it. You need to update your nerd mind to support non-local transfer of control. You save your stack, start a new one, and return to the previous one when you're ready to resume your task.

      If you have a C-based nerd mind, then you can accomplish this with some setjmp/longjmp trickery.

      If you have a C++-based nerd mind, you can use exceptions for many situations, and fall back to setjmp/longjmp for the others.

      If you have a scheme-based nerd mind, (and some other functional languages), this facility is called "continuations"... see (call-with-current-continuation) (often abbreviated (call/cc))

      Talk with your vendor about the specific requirements of your situation.

  16. Well I do have my IM client running usually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only check my e-mail twice a day. In a world where people mostly communicate by e-mail, does that make me an introvert?

  17. Done by CaptainZapp · · Score: 5, Informative


    The Tyranny of Email

    Saturday, 03/08/03 11:41 AM

    In a hurry? Then please see the rules for avoiding email tyranny and the guidelines for being productive.

    Email is one of the greatest things the computer revolution has done for personal productivity. Used improperly, it can also hurt your productivity. This article discusses ways to use email effectively. Then it goes beyond that and talks about how to be productive, period.

    When Email Goes Bad

    I'm not going to list all the reasons email is good. You know them already, I assume you are an avid email user. (Anyone reading this is online, and just about anyone who goes online uses email.) I'm also not going to tell you email is evil, because it isn't. The negative productivity impact of email comes from the way you use it, not the medium itself.

    There are two ways email impairs your productivity:

    1. It breaks your concentration.
    2. It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.

    Let's take the concentration impact first. I'm a software engineer, and programming requires extended periods of concentration. Actually this isn't unique to programming, a lot of fields require that you concentrate. (Probably just about everything worth doing requires some concentration!)

    {
    I maintain that programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. It takes three hours to spin up to speed, gather your concentration, shift into "right brain mode", and really focus on a problem. Effective programmers organize their day to have at least one three-hour window, and hopefully two or three. (This is why good programmers often work late at night. They don't get interrupted as much...)
    }

    One of the key attributes of email is that it queues messages. Unlike face-to-face conversation and 'phone calls, people can communicate via email without both paying attention at the same time. You pick the moments at which you pay attention to email. But many people leave their email client running continuously. This is the biggest baddest reason why email hurts your productivity. If you leave your email client running, it means anyone anytime can interrupt what you're doing. Essentially they pick the moments at which you pay attention. (Even some random spammer who is sending you a crappy ad for a get-rich scheme.) This is bad.

    There are three stages to this badness. Stage one is configuring your email client to present alerts when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage two is configuring your email client to make noise when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage three is running your email client all the time. Don't do this, either. To be effective, you must pick the moments at which you're going to receive email. I know this goes against common wisdom. Just about everyone I know runs their client all the time, has it configured to make noise, and may even have it present alerts when an email is received. Don't do it.

    Spam is the best kind of email to get, because you look at it quickly, see that it's spam, and delete it. Then you get back to work. Personal email is the second best kind of email to get, because you either respond quickly ("Hi Jane, great hearing from you. See you at the club tonight.") or set it aside for later. Task-oriented work email is the worst kind of email to get. It often requires thought, and because it is work there is some immediacy to it. But as soon as you take the time to respond, you've interrupted yourself. You've shifted back to "left brain mode", and you've lost the thread of your concentration.

    This doesn't mean you shouldn't respond to emails promptly. Check email whenever you're interrupted anyway - before you start work, after a meeting, after lunch, before you go home, etc. Set aside time to do this. Just don't let others dictate the timing.

    Has this ever happened to you?

    [ In the hallway at work... ]
    O: "Hi R, how's it going?"
    R: "Great, how are you?"
    O: "Good. Hey, did you see my email about the framitz?"
    R: "No, I haven't checked my email yet today, sorry."
    O: "WHAT!"

    It has happened to me. Sometimes I can't believe it - I sent the email at 9:30, and here it is 11:30, and they haven't checked their email? What are they doing? They're being efficient, that's what. They're picking their moment to be interrupted, and that's a good thing. We'll revisit this theme again below in the Three Hour Rule. For now, here's the takeaway:

    * Turn your email client off. You should pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.

    Okay, now let's look at the second productivity-sapping attribute of email, that it misleads you into inefficient problem solving. Email is a communication medium. You send messages to others, you receive messages from others. Some of these messages are mere data transmission - FYIs so you know what's going on. Some are "noise" - 'thank you's, 'I got it's, jokes, etc. And some - many - are problem solving. You hear about a problem, and you respond with a possible solution, or a possible approach, or more questions. Nothing wrong so far - email is a good medium for problem solving. And it is so easy - you get an email, you think (sometimes), and you respond. Poof, you're done.

    Except when you're not. Because there are some kinds of problems which don't get solved in email, ever. And as soon as you have that kind of problem, you have to stop, immediately, before you make the problem worse.

    First, never, ever, criticize someone in email. For reasons which I have never fully grasped, any negative emotion is always amplified by communication through email. Sometimes you intend to be critical - someone has done something dumb, or said something silly, or emailed something ridiculous. Resist the urge to reply. Sometimes you don't mean to be critical - you're just making an observation, or engaging in technical debate, or adding facts to a discussion. But as soon as you sense that the recipient has taken your email as criticism, you must immediately switch media - a face-to-face meeting is best, but a 'phone call is also okay.

    Second, don't get into prolonged technical debates in email. I've seen threads lasting weeks with a whole series of kibitzers, with everyone restating their points of view and nothing getting settled. Often email has the effect of polarizing the debate, and the combatants end up further apart in their views then when the debate began. As soon as you sense this happening, you must immediately switch media. A meeting with the core people involved in best, but a conference call is also okay.

    Both of these kinds of problems which don't get solved in email are exacerbated by copying others. The bigger the audience, the worse things get. As bad as it is to be critical in email, it is far worse if ten colleagues are copied. Often the presence of an email audience is what makes for the polarization of technical debates - if the core people were the only ones involved, they would be less virulent and more willing to acknowledge other points of view and seek compromise. Okay, so here's the takeaway:

    * Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.

    Before I go on to talking about productivity in general, let me share some other thoughts about email. First, be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails. Every email recipient is going to lose a little time reading each email you send. Simple emails which say "thanks" or "got it" or "see you at the meeting" are polite and part of normal human communication. But there is a limit, no need to reply "you're welcome", or "glad you got it", or "great, I'll see you, too". In my career I've run large teams, and sometimes people in those teams copied me on virtually every email they sent. Maybe they wanted me to know what was going on, or maybe they were letting me know what a great job they were doing. Either way, they were taking my time with stuff I didn't need to spend time on. I have a high capacity for skimming email, but there is always the feeling that they didn't get it; like "why did they copy me on this?" There should be a purpose to every addressee on each email. It is okay to drop recipients from a reply - in fact, it is good; less people are involved, and [to reiterate the point] the bigger the audience, the more any implied criticism or debate will be exacerbated.

    {
    I have to digress for a pet peeve. I send an email to S, and S replies, copying eight other people. I reply back to S alone. S replies, again copying eight other people. This is bad. If I'm smart I will abandon email and continue the conversation with S face-to-face or over the 'phone. If I'm not smart I'll flame S so badly his hair catches fire, copying everyone, and regret it later.
    }

    Second, email is a very relaxed medium, but observing some formality is important. Use an email client which spell checks. Use normal capitalization. Use correct grammar - complete sentences make email easier to read just like everything else. Don't use weird background colors and strange fonts. Don't append pictures of your dog. You get the picture... I've received emails from senior people which bordered on illiterate, with incorrect capitalization, grammar, incomplete sentences, etc. The impression is not positive.

    Third, email can be immediate, but don't hesitate to review and revise important emails. In many companies email has all but replaced paper memos. In many business situations email has replaced letters. When writing an email which has a wide distribution, or which affects a negotiation, or possible deal, or potential sale, take the time to write a draft, and reread it later. You can almost always improve the wording, make a point more concisely, or other otherwise improve the communication.

    Finally, remember that email is a public and permanent record. Email is plain text and goes out over public networks, and is often stored on servers for a long time and may be backed up for a longer time. It might feel "throwaway" at the time, but it will not be thrown away, as senior executives at Microsoft, Enron, Worldcom, and others have discovered. If you have something to say which won't bear the public light of day, it shouldn't be said in email. And if you are sending something confidential or sensitive, consider sending it as an encrypted and/or password-protected attachment.

    Okay, enough about email. Here's the six rules for avoiding email tyranny:

    1. Turn your email client off. Pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.
    2. Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.
    3. Be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails.
    4. Observing some formality is important.
    5. Don't hesitate to review and revise important emails.
    6. Remember that email is a public and permanent record.

    Got it? Cool. Thinking about email productivity led me to make some comments about productivity in general...

    The Three Hour Rule

    Programming is a right-brain activity. It is very conceptual and spatial and [gasp!] artistic. Effective programming requires that you transition from your body's normal "left brain" mode into a "right brain" zone. As I mentioned above, programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. Really. And in talking to friends in other fields, I'm convinced this applies to many other lines of work.

    When you're in a three-hour zone, you've spun up to speed, gathered your concentration, shifted into "right brain mode", and are focusing on a problem. You're being productive. There are four things which can interrupt you, and you have to watch out for all of them:

    1. Receiving email or 'phone calls.
    2. Personal contact with colleagues.
    3. Meetings.
    4. Warp-offs.

    Let's talk about each of these... First, emails or 'phone calls. Email we've talked about, this one is easy - just turn your email client off. Done. Most people receive far less 'phone calls than emails, so calls aren't nearly as much of a problem. The solution is the same - put your phone in "do not disturb" mode. Nowadays most everyone has a cell 'phone, leave that on, and if there is a genuine emergency your significant other or doctor or whomever will reach you there. Most calls to your desk are colleagues or customers; these are important, but as with email, you should pick the time to take them.

    Second, there is personal contact with colleagues. Most companies these days can't afford for everyone to have a private office, so it is pretty easy to get interrupted. (If you have an office, close the door!) Distractions include ambient noise, questions ("Hey, do you know how to invoke a framitz?"), and other interruptions ("Hey, you want to play foosball?"). These are really important (especially foosball), but they are interruptions, and they will mess up your three-hour window. Basically you want to isolate yourself from your colleagues, just like with email and 'phone calls. To deal with ambient noise, get yourself some really good headphones and play music. Cordless, if you want. For $100 you will have the best-sounding music you can imagine, and a sure-fire way to eliminate background noise.

    {
    The "office vs. cubicle" debate rages and has not been settled. Some companies give every engineer their own office, and claim the productivity improvement is worth the cost. Others feel the atmosphere is better in a cubicle farm, and the interaction between engineers leads to better problem solving. Without taking a stand in this debate, the fact is that most engineers work in cubicles, and have little control over this. So it is what it is - you have to make the best of it.

    In 2000 I joined PayPal, a dot-com with an egalitarian work environment where everyone had a cubicle, even the CEO. After many years of enjoying a private office, I was back in a cube. I quickly found two things to be essential, first, I positioned my desk and computer so I was not distracted by traffic (away from the cube opening), and second, I bought a great pair of cordless headphones. With these adaptations I was able to work just as productively as I had in an office. (Of course I used conference rooms for meetings.)
    }

    Do Not DisturbDealing with questions and interruptions from colleagues is more difficult. The give-and-take between engineers in a team is important; often one person will have the answer to another's dilemma. There is also the social aspect, it is enjoyable to interact with your colleagues. However, you need to have those three-hour windows. I recommend a simple sign you can hang on your cube: "I'm in a zone", "Do not disturb", etc. (This is a chance to be creative...) Essentially you want your colleagues to know you're zoning. If they have a technical question which can wait, they can put it in email, or wait until you emerge. If they need immediate attention ("hey, you want to play foosball?") at least they know you were in a zone, and that they're interrupting you.

    Third, meetings... Ah yes. An entire book can be written about meetings, and many have. Let me make a few comments about meetings and then leave it. Meetings interrupt everyone who attends, obviously, so they are "expensive". They are also often the best way to communicate team status and to problem-solve. So there is tremendous leverage in having good meetings instead of bad ones. Each meeting should have a well-defined purpose, and the organizer should keep the meeting on track. It is good to have meetings "first thing", bordering on lunch, or at the end of the day; this way people's three-hour windows are less affected. Enough about meetings... they are what they are.

    Finally, warp-offs. So, what's a "warp-off"? Well, unlike the other three kinds of interruptions, in which other people interrupt you, a "warp-off" is when you interrupt yourself. Generally this happens because you're stuck - you don't know what to do next - so you switch tasks and do something you know how to do. My favorite warp-off is surfing the Internet. Sometimes when I'm working on a tough problem, I have to force myself not to do it. Other possible warps include: reading email (!), working on "fun" stuff instead of "hard" stuff, bugging your colleagues ("foosball, anyone?"), and of course posting to your 'blog :) Keeping yourself from warping off is really tough, and gets into what motivates people and a bunch of stuff I can't really tackle here, but the main thing is to be self-aware enough to realize that you do it (everyone does), and strong enough to work on not doing it. I tend to warp when I'm stuck, so the best un-warp strategies for me are ways to un-stuck myself. These include talking to others, taking a bike ride, thinking out of the box (generally above the box - take a bigger picture view), trying to simplify the problem, and relentless application of W=UH ("if something it is too ugly or too hard, it is wrong").

    {
    In re: working on "fun" stuff instead of "hard" stuff, it is interesting to think about what makes some tasks fun and others hard. I think happiness comes from liking yourself, and fun things are things which make you like yourself. Tasks which are fun are therefore tasks which you know how to do, and which demonstrate your proficiency. Tasks which are hard are tasks which you don't know how to do, or which reveal a lack of expertise. There is often feedback involved - fun tasks will gain you recognition from customers or coworkers, but hard tasks may not.

    When you get stuck and find yourself doing something "fun" instead of something "hard", ask yourself what makes the hard thing hard? In a perfect world each person would always be assigned tasks which they're good at, and which gain them recognition, so that everything they do is fun. The world isn't perfect, but that's the goal.
    }

    Okay, that's a lot of words, let's see if we can summarize. There is essentially one big rule and four guidelines:

    *
    Big Rule: It takes three hours to get anything done.
    *
    Guidelines:
    1. Turn off your email client, put your 'phone in "do not disturb".
    2. Isolate yourself. Get good headphones. Warn colleagues when you're "in the zone", to minimize their interrupts.
    3. Minimize meetings and schedule them to avoid three-hour windows.
    4. Become self-aware about warping off and try to un-stuck yourself.

    That's it - thanks for your attention. If you have comments about any of this, I'd love to hear them; please shoot me an email. Don't worry, it won't interrupt me :)

    --
    ich bin der musikant

    mit taschenrechner in der hand

    kraftwerk

    1. Re:Done by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Because we all know that there's only one style of programming that works for everyone and is guaranteed to be most efficient.

      --
      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    2. Re:Done by Strike · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and is a Bad Programmer (tm). There is also One True Editor, One True Brace Style (for those languages which use them), One True Indentation Style, and One True Language (which potentially makes the One True Brace Style irrelevant). All naysayers will be shot. Thank you. -- The Management

    3. Re:Done by flajann · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I had to share a cubicle with a guy who liked checking his e-mail every 5 minutes.

      Use to drive me nuts, especially since we were in the middle of tracking down hot bugs. It broke MY concentration, but apparently he enjoyed it.

    4. Re:Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were sharing a cubicle? That's a whole new level of cheapness!

    5. Re:Done by gerddie · · Score: 1

      One True Indentation Style
      Of cource there is, at least with Python ;-)

    6. Re:Done by ergo98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One aspect of that article that I definitely disagree with is the contention that technical debates cannot occur over email (or similarly via corporate or group newsgroups). While I will absolutely agree that technical debates can get very heated, and many egos have been bruised, I would take an email debate on technology over a "let's meet about it" any day of the week. Why? In email conversation it is the facts that do the talking: Anyone has the ability, and indeed the responsibility, to research the positions taken at their leisure, and interject if they find fault, as ultimately the truth and correct course of action is the paramount concern. In a meeting, on the other hand, it is sales skills that win the day: Extroverts with overwhelming self-confidence invariably convince the crowd, while the technically proficient, who generally are more aware of the limits of their knowledge and hence don't exude the sludge of unfounded-confidence, stay quiet. I've witnessed this happen quite a few times, and it leads to short term buy-in that just leads to non-resolution after non-resolution.
      An adversity to email debates on technical merits is often based in all the wrong reasons: Giving "equal voice" to the technically less capable. Protecting ignorance. Protecting unfounded pride.

    7. Re:Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      One True Indentation Style
      Of cource there is, at least with Python ;-)

      Yes, you are right. You do use 9 spaces per indentation, right? I hate those wimps who use less, and those idiots who use more. I'm glad we agree on this!

    8. Re:Done by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
      Because we all know that there's only one style of programming that works for everyone and is guaranteed to be most efficient.

      He wasn't talking about programming style. He was talking about programming, period.. I think that -- even if you find that you can productively get 'up to speed' on a programming task, you have to remember that (most?) others on your team will be working best under the '3-hour' rule. If you keep distracting them every 15 minutes this points to 2 things:
      1) you're breaking their concntration cycle, which is probably much longer than yours.

      2) do you really have any sort of concentration cycle at all??

      --
      OS Software is like love: The best way to make it grow is to give it away.
    9. Re:Done by elmegil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You need to distinguish the word style used to refer specifically to syntactic structures, and style used to refer to a more real-world sense of "how I go about programming". I don't think his presumption that everyone works most effectively in his manner is valid. For example, I don't have to turn my email off to be able to concentrate. And I never, to my knowledge, have had to have 3 hour stretches to do what little programming I do, since those projects are all side projects. I still accomplish things with my programming. Oh, wait, I guess he just meant head-down coders. Too bad that's not the only kind (or "style") of programming that occurs, eh?

      --
      7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
    10. Re:Done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Did he really say that in the ideal world everyone would do tasks within their range of competence and never do tasks that they find difficult?

      I wonder how he learned programming.

    11. Re:Done by coke_dite · · Score: 1
      In the last office I worked in, there were sometimes 3 of us in a cubicle. Being an admin assistant, I wasn't important enough to warrant privacy, so all the temps were shuffled into my "office" (ha!) and I got to share not only my space, but my phone and computer too. And my boss had the nerve to complain that I had a negative attitude!

      Students and interns, however, got REAL OFFICES with DOORS and did NOT have to share! tell me, would you be bitter?

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      Visit us at http://www.iblist.com!
    12. Re:Done by renehollan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      One aspect of that article that I definitely disagree with is the contention that technical debates cannot occur over email

      I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, but, often, meeting dynamics start to encroach on such email exchanges, and the "Solve it now, we've wasted enough time!" rather than "solve it correctly" pressure this creates results in sub-optimal, short-term "solutions".

      The "best" solution is the one that has the most support, in such situations, whether or not it is correct, robust, or scalable to future needs.

      Of course, as we all know, the processor doesn't give a rat's ass how much support a "solution" has, but rather whether it is correct.

      While email might be the perfect forum for long, complex, technical discussions, to solve difficult problems, with facts and avenues of research carefully preserved, articles like this one, and the "don't waste time on email" mentality they will engender in management as "the latest productivity thing", will derail such use of the medium. So, we are, once again, diverted to the "five minute fix" hell, that so makes meetings unproductive: if you can't make the quick fix work, you must be a bad programmer, no?

      So, while I agree that email is an ideal medium for dealing with difficult problems, trying to use it for that purpose is likely going to invite sabbotage from those who do not understand the nuances of the problem, and what makes it difficult in the first place, as they get drawn into the discussion. This is espescially true as the design and programming vocabulary grows to accomodate maturation of the discipline: words like "generic", "refactor", "polymorphic", "singleton", "abstract", and "virtual" have very specific meanings in a modern design and OO programming context, and are ripe for misinterpretation by those who take them out of context: I've seen "generic" mistaken for "portable", "virtual" as pertaining to memory management (which it may or may not), and "abstract" misconstrued as "academic", with "polymorhic" and "refactor" raising fear of "too complicated" solutions.

      There are simple problems and complex problems. And, complex problems do not have simple solutions, by definition. A growing trend in these days of "interchangable software engineers" is pressure to code to the level of understanding of the "least skilled programmer" to support this interchangability. The dynamics of large groups (and growing email audiences) increases these pressures. Sorry, but there is nothing that can make brain surgery a "cut by numbers" discipline, and there is nothing that can make complex problems simple.

      So, while email may be perfect to let "hard core" problem-solvers collaborate, their efforts will be usurped, making it best to avoid the medium in favour of the classic midnight-programming sessions, when the hoi poloi have left to pursure their domestic lives, no doubt comfortably simple.

      --
      You could've hired me.
  18. Why bother... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother printing it when you can just forward it via email? :)

  19. Spot on by virve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At first, I was a bit sceptical about the contents of this article. I like e-mail and prefer it over phone conversations, especially because of its asynchronous nature but after having read the article, I must say that he is spot on.

    Turning off my e-mail client and taking advantage of the asynchronous nature of e-mail even more would probably boost my productivity a lot. Not being a programmer, I still recognize that in order to get something done one must really sit down uninterrupted to get _real_ work done. And having pointless e-mails popping up every once in a while _is_ needless interruptions.

    Not exactly rocket science but once in a while one should make sure that technology is working for oneself and not (too much) the other way around.

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    1. Re:Spot on by eutychus_awakes · · Score: 1

      A balanced view is typically the best one. HEAR HEAR for folks who know how to properly implement technology!

      --
      This sig is a test. If this had been an actual sig, you would be reading something quite a bit wittier than this now.
    2. Re:Spot on by evilviper · · Score: 1
      once in a while one should make sure that technology is working for oneself and not (too much) the other way around.

      Yet, cell phones are still popular, and they distract and annoy 24/7... And more and more people feel like they have to have one.
      --
      Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
    3. Re:Spot on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I want to check e-mail, I want to do it immediately, not wait while it starts up and loads the latest spam. One glance at the icon and I know if there's mail.

  20. Ehh by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    The site is down can you mail me the article please

    --
    Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
    What truth?
    There is no dupe
    1. Re:Ehh by TheEnglishPatient · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      i'm not

    2. Re:Ehh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I tried to mail it to "Timesprout" $street_address, $city, $local, $zip, but the postmaster rejected it for reason of "undefined variables".

  21. This is what I was able to capture.. by leerpm · · Score: 2, Informative

    When Email Goes Bad

    I'm not going to list all the reasons email is good. You know them already, I assume you are an avid email user. (Anyone reading this is online, and just about anyone who goes online uses email.) I'm also not going to tell you email is evil, because it isn't.The negativeproductivity impact of email comes from the way you use it, not the medium itself.

    There are two ways email impairs your productivity:

    1. It breaks your concentration.
    2. It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.

    Let's take the concentration impact first. I'm a software engineer, and programming requires extended periods of concentration. Actually this isn't unique to programming, a lot of fields require that you concentrate. (Probably just about everything worth doing requires some concentration!)

    {
    I maintain that programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. It takes three hours to spin up to speed, gather your concentration, shift into "right brain mode", and really focus on a problem. Effective programmers organize their day to have at least one three-hour window, and hopefully two or three. (This is why good programmers often work late at night. They don't get interrupted as much...)
    }

    One of the key attributes of email is that it queues messages. Unlike face-to-faceconversation and 'phone calls, people can communicate via email without both paying attention at the same time. You pick the moments at which you pay attention to email. But many people leave their email client running continuously. This is the biggest baddest reason why email hurts your productivity. If you leave your email client running, it means anyone anytime can interrupt what you're doing. Essentially they pick the moments at which you pay attention. (Even somerandom spammer who is sending you a crappy ad for a get-rich scheme.) This is bad.

    There are three stages to this badness. Stage one is configuring your email client to present alerts when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage two is configuring your email client to make noise when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage three is running your email client all the time. Don't do this, either. To be effective, you must pick the moments at which you're going to receive email. I know this goes against common wisdom. Just about everyone I know runs their client all the time, has it configured to make noise, and may even have it present alerts when an email is received. Don't do it.

    Spam is the best kind of email to get, because you look at it quickly, see that it's spam, and delete it. Then you get back to work. Personal email is the second best kind of email to get, because you either respond quickly("Hi Jane, great hearing from you. See you at the club tonight.") or set it aside for later. Task-oriented work email is the worst kind of email to get. It often requires thought, and because it is work there is some immediacy to it. But as soon as you take the time to respond, you've interrupted yourself. You've shifted back to "left brain mode", and you've lost the thread of your concentration.

    This doesn't mean you shouldn't respond to emails promptly. Check email whenever you're interrupted anyway - before you start work, after a meeting, after lunch, before you go home, etc. Set aside time to do this. Just don't let others dictate the timing.

    Has this ever happened to you?

    [ In the hallway at work... ]
    O: "Hi R, how's it going?"
    R: "Great, how are you?"
    O: "Good. Hey, did you see my email about the framitz?"
    R: "No, I haven't checked my email yet today, sorry."
    O: "WHAT!"

    It has happened to me. Sometimes I can't believe it - I sent the email at 9:30, and here it is 11:30, and they haven't checked their email? What are they doing? They're being efficient, that's what. They're picking their moment to be interrupted, and that's a good thing. We'll revisit this theme again below in the Three Hour Rule. For now, here's the takeaway:

    • Turn your email client off. You should pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.

    Okay, now let's look at the second productivity-sapping attribute of email, that it misleads you into inefficient problem solving. Email is a communication medium. You send messages to others, you receive messages from others. Some of these messages are mere data transmission - FYIs so you know what's going on. Some are "noise" - 'thank you's, 'I got it's, jokes, etc. And some - many - are problem solving. You hear about a problem, and you respond with a possible solution, or a possible approach, or more questions. Nothing wrong so far - email is a good medium for problem solving. And it is so easy - you get an email, you think (sometimes), and you respond. Poof, you're done.

    Except when you're not. Because there are some kinds of problems which don't get solved in email, ever. And as soon as you have that kind of problem, you have to stop, immediately, before you make the problem worse.

    First, never, ever, criticize someone in email. For reasons which I have never fully grasped, any negative emotion is always amplified by communication through email. Sometimes you intend to be critical - someone has done something dumb, or said something silly, or emailed something ridiculous. Resist the urge to reply. Sometimes you don't mean to be critical - you're just making an observation, or engaging in technical debate, or adding facts to a discussion. But as soon as you sense that the recipient has taken your email as criticism, you must immediately switch media - a face-to-face meeting is best, but a 'phone call is also okay.

    Second, don't get into prolonged technical debates in email. I've seen threads lasting weeks with a whole series of kibitzers, with everyone restating their points of view and nothing getting settled. Often email has the effect of polarizing the debate, and the combatants end up further apart in their views then when the debate began. As soon as you sense this happening, you must immediately switch media. A meeting with the core people involved in best, but a conference call is also okay.

    Both of these kinds of problems which don't get solved in email are exacerbated by copying others. The bigger the audience, the worse things get. As bad as it is to be critical in email, it is far worse if ten colleagues are copied. Often the presence of an email audience is what makes for the polarization of technical debates - if the core people were the only onesinvolved, they would be less virulent and more willing to acknowledge other points of view and seek compromise. Okay, so here's the takeaway:

    • Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.

    Before I go on to talking about productivity in general, let me share someother thoughts about email. First, be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails. Every email recipient is going to lose a little time reading each email you send. Simple emails which say "thanks" or "got it" or "see you at the meeting" are polite and part of normal human communication. But there is a limit, no need to reply "you're welcome", or "glad you got it", or "great, I'll see you, too". In my career I've run large teams, and sometimes people in those teams copied me on virtually every email they sent. Maybe they wanted me to know what was going on, or maybe they were letting me know what a great job they were doing. Either way, they were taking my time with stuff I didn't need to spend time on. I have a high capacity for skimming email, but there is always the feeling that they didn't get it; like "why did they copy me on this?" There should be a purpose to every addressee on each email. It is okay to drop recipients from a reply - in fact, it is good; less people are involved, and [to reiterate the point] the bigger the audience, the more any implied criticism or debate will be exacerbated.

    {
    I have to digress for a pet peeve. I send an email to S, and S replies, copying eight other people. I reply back to S alone. S replies, again copying eight other people. This is bad. If I'm smart I will abandon email and continue the conversation with Sface-to-face or over the 'phone. If I'm not smart I'll flame S so badly his hair catches fire, copying everyone, and regret it later.
    }

    Second, email is a very relaxed medium, but observing some formality is important. Use an email client which spell checks. Use normal capitalization. Use correct grammar - complete sentences make email easier to read just like everything else. Don't use weird background colors and strange fonts. Don't append pictures of your dog. You get the picture... I've received emails from senior people which bordered on illiterate, with incorrect capitalization, grammar, incomplete sentences, etc. The impression is not positive.

    Third, email can be immediate, but don't hesitate to review and revise important emails. In many companies email has all but replaced paper memos. In many business situations email has replaced letters. When writing an email which has a wide distribution, or which affects a negotiation, or possible deal, or potential sale, take the time to write a draft, and reread it later. You can almost always improve the wording, make a point more concisely, or other otherwise improve the communication.

    Finally, remember that email is a public and permanent record. Email is plain text and goes out over public networks, and is often stored on servers for a long time and may be backed up for a longer time. It might feel "throwaway" at the time, but it will not be thrown away, as senior executives at Microsoft, Enron, Worldcom, and others have discovered. If you have something to say which won't bear the public light of day, it shouldn't be said in email. And if you are sending something confidential or sensitive, consider sending it as an encrypted and/or password-protected attachment.

    Okay, enough about email. Here's the six rules for avoiding email tyranny :

    1. Turn your email client off. Pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.
    2. Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.
    3. Be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails.
    4. Observing some formality is important.
    5. Don't hesitate to review and revise important emails.
    6. Remember that email is a public and permanent record.

    Got it? Cool. Thinking about email productivity led me to make some comments about productivity in general...

    The Three Hour Rule

    Programming is a right-brain activity. It is very conceptual and spatial and [gasp!] artistic. Effective programming requires that you transition from your body's normal "left brain" mode into a "right brain" zone. As I mentioned above, programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. Really. And in talking to friends in other fields, I'm convinced this applies to many other lines of work.

    When you're in a three-hour zone, you've spun up to speed, gathered your concentration, shifted into "right brain mode", and are focusing on a problem. You're being productive. There are four things which can interrupt you, and you have to watch out for all of them:

    1. Receiving email or 'phone calls.
    2. Personal contact with colleagues.
    3. Meetings.
    4. Warp-offs.

    Let's talk about each of these... First, emails or 'phone calls. Email we've talked about, this one is easy - just turn your email client off. Done. Mostpeople receive far less 'phone calls than emails, so calls aren't nearly as much of a problem. The solution is the same - put your phone in "do not disturb" mode. Nowadays most everyone has a cell 'phone, leave that on, and if there is a genuine emergency your significant other or doctor or whomever will reach you there. Most calls to your desk are colleagues or customers; these are important, but as with email, you should pick the time to take them.

    Second, there is personal contact with colleagues. Most companies these days can't afford for everyone to have a private office, so it is pretty easy to get interrupted. (If you have an office, close the door!) Distractions include ambient noise, questions ("Hey, do you know how to invoke a framitz?"), and other interruptions ("Hey, you want to play foosball?"). These are really important (especially foosball), but they are interruptions, and they will mess up your three-hour window. Basically you want to isolate yourself from your colleagues, just like with email and 'phone calls. To deal with ambient noise, get yourself some really good headphones and play music. Cordless, if you want. For $100 you will have the best-sounding music you can imagine, and a sure-fire way to eliminate background noise.

    {
    The "office vs. cubicle" debaterages and has not been settled. Some companies give every engineer their own office, and claim the productivity improvement is worth the cost. Others feel the atmosphere is better in a cubicle farm, and the interaction between engineers leads to better problem solving. Without taking a stand in this debate, the fact is that most engineers work in cubicles, and have little control over this. So it is what it is - you have to make the best of it.

    In 2000 I joined PayPal, a dot-com with an egalitarian work environment where everyone had a cubicle, even the CEO. After many years of enjoying a private office, I was back in a cube. I quickly found two things to be essential, first, I positioned my desk and computer so I was not distracted by traffic (away from the cube opening), and second, I bought a great pair of cordless headphones. With these adaptations I was able to work just as productively as I had in an office. (Of course I used conference rooms for meetings.)
    }

    Dealing with questions and interruptions from colleagues is more difficult. The give-and-take between engineers in a team is important; often one person will have the answer to another's dilemma. There is also the social aspect, it is enjoyable to interact with your colleagues. However, you need to have those three-hour windows. I recommend a simple sign you can hang on your cube: "I'm in a zone", "Do not disturb", etc. (This is a chance to be creative...) Essentially you want your colleagues to know you're zoning. If they have a technical question which can wait, they can put it in email, or wait until you emerge. If they need immediate attention ("hey, you want to play foosball?") at least they know you were in a zone, and that they're interrupting you.

    Third, meetings... Ah yes. An entire book can be written about meetings, and many have. Let me make a few comments about meetings and then leave it. Meetings interrupt everyone who attends, obviously, so they
    (I will post the rest when I can..)

    1. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      [reads] This isn't so much about email interruptus, as about a particular personality type's inability to task-switch efficiently. IOW, the classic ADD model, coupled with the obsessive/compulsive's *need* to attend to anything they've set as part of their routine. Which are both common personality types in the coding world.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    2. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by CKW · · Score: 1

      > inability to task-switch efficiently

      I had NEVER HEARD of "task-switching" and human beings "multitasking" before pointy haired bosses who want to overburden everyone with 2-3 times as much work and bug you every hour with a new "emergency" came on the scene.

      I'm going to have to ask for some references before I dismiss you as a moron.

    3. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by October_30th · · Score: 1
      I would say that task switching in human context just means the ability of being able to compartmentalize your thoughts. Freeze the status of a project in your head when you stop working on it, put it aside while you work on something else and then unfreeze it when you get back. That helps you to quickly move from one task to another without first having to sit down for ten minutes to figure out what happened last time and what you're supposed to do now.

      You don't need pointy haired bosses who work you to death. Unless you're driving a forklift or shoveling sand you really can benefit from being able to do that. I couldn't manage my lab, the students, teaching and research without compartmentalization. Hell, I don't even need a calendar anymore.

      --
      The owls are not what they seem
    4. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by Nyarly · · Score: 1
      I dunno. I've often felt those context-switch hits when I'm trying to get actual work done. Any time you're interrupted with a "do this now," there's a period where you need to assimilate the problem in order to solve it, and then reassimilate your previous task. If the main flow is anything actually involving (zB, coding), it does take a certain amount of time to pick up where you left off. At one job, the PHB would interrupt so often on some days that I spent all my time picking up where I'd left off.

      There's also the inefficiency of leaving the computer to work, doing something else, and there being a lag time between the machine finishing and you're refocusing attention. There are some fixes to this (zB: "&& echo ^V^G" or even better "&& auplay succeed.au || auplay fail.au"), but nothing's really perfect. Those of us who've at least studied OS programming know that, while there are solutions to process scheduling, it'll hardly be a solved problem until we can bring a certain amount of prescience into the mix.

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      IP is just rude.
      Is there any torture so subl
    5. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Someone coming in and clonking you over the head with a "DO IT NOW!" is quite different from obsessively interrupting yourself, tho, which was more the focus of the article -- ie. how some people can't resist the interruption itself.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    6. Re:This is what I was able to capture.. by Omestes · · Score: 1

      All forms of interpersonal communications is bad, to an extent. When doing my high-concentration tasks (school, web design, writing, what-not), a random email or IM is just as annoying as my room-mate mumbleing to me (when they know that I am cogito absentia).

      As far as my experience goes, when one is actively engaged in any activity that requires concentration (from coding, to gaming, to reading, or watching television)you distraction threshold decreases, making it much harder for you to be distracted from the task. Most of the time one is aware of the source of the distraction, but not ACTIVELY aware of it, resulting in a Charlie Brown School Experience (whaaa-wa-wa-WA)... Hence there is functionally no distraction on a cognitive level. But telephones and people have a better chance of breaking through the subconcious buffer, being that they are much more insistant for attention.

      The main problem I have with maintaining attention and productivity is going to the damn bathroom. Someone should invent a less "pee-some" strain of coffee.

      --
      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
  22. Alternate Title by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Funny

    How to be Really antisocial, without guilt.

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    He tried to kill me with a forklift!
  23. I have no friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... so I reply to spam hoping that spammers will become my friends!

    please, WHAT should I do with my LIFE ??!

  24. Maybe... by jgerman · · Score: 1

    ... and I'm just shooting in the dark here. Just maybe it's because having written documentation of communications is a very very VERY good thing? Maybe that's juyst me though.

    --
    I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
    1. Re:Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you. I keep various 'cya' folders in my e-mail account at work. I've found it valuable when three months after a conversation with a vendor I can go back and say, on such and such a date you told me this. One of our vendors actually requires us to handle customer service requests via e-mail. This turned out to be a good thing a couple of months ago when the tech handling a case of mine went out for a week and a half of sick leave in the middle of a troubleshooting marathon. When he came back and claimed that I hadn't updated him on some things I was able to resend my original responses, with the original transmitted date included. With a voicemail he could just claim he never got it.

  25. Dertouzos said it best... by cascadefx · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is one of the best articles that I have ever read about the trust relationship of and the double edged sword that is the current state of email. Dertouzos (God bless his soul) did a great job of sounding the alarm and offering practical advice. Well worth the read.

  26. It's just so easy... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny
    The problem with email is that people think it's an appropriate way to hand off issues from one person to the next.

    PHB: Hey Bob, where's that report?
    Bob: Didn't Alice send it to you? I emailed to let her know that she needed to do that...
    PHB: Hmm... Anybody seen Alice?

    That happens all too often, in which case Alice is completely justified to take a fresh pot of coffee and pour it down Bob's pants.

    --
    Stop by my site where I write about ERP systems & more
    1. Re:It's just so easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alice is completely justified to take a fresh pot of coffee and pour it down Bob's pants

      Unless Bob is her supervisor, which BTW is the only reason it would be appropriate for Bob to ask Alice to do anything (and that should be explained to Bob).

    2. Re:It's just so easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Unless Bob is her supervisor, which BTW is the only reason it would be appropriate for Bob to ask Alice to do anything (and that should be explained to Bob).

      Assume Bob is a code monkey. Alice is a CCNP. Some $PHB wants a memo on wiring the new building vs. putting in 802.11g. They ask Bob to do it, knowing he's a "computer guy".

      What then?

      -etosin

  27. Re:Har har by Shafe · · Score: 1

    LOL. Homer: "That's getting a little old."

    But I still laughed. Anyway, I can't read the page. Again, I submit Slashdot's own caching system, the SlashCache, to address these issues.

  28. Great advice by bongoras · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I actually *wanted* to be more productive at work, I'd follow his advice. Of course I'd probably stay away from reading slashdot too...

  29. IM mpx more than email by nfsilkey · · Score: 1

    I think even more interesting is the impact instant messaging has had upon the social lives of the connected geek roommates and college dormitory life. Using aim/icq to speak to a roommate whom is not 6 feet away in a dorm room just screams that there has been a huge culture shift. I know I am guilty of talking to roommates online versus in person WHEN THEY ARE NO MORE THAN A DOZEN OR SO FEET AWAY. The lone thing that is that my justification for doing so is convenience. Why make the effort to move when I can accomplish a similar feat digitally?! ;)

    Hark! Not only is this impacting the conversation industry, but also the telephone industry! I personally also much rather prefer to speak to friends or mates online via instant messaging as opposed to the phone (most of the time). The justification for doing so is my ability to multitask. I would much rather be able to a.) have a cache of our conversation, b.) be able to reply at my leisure, and c.) not have a neckache from holding the silly tele.

    We will see what happens when corporate AIM succeeds and im becomes pay. ;)

    1. Re:IM mpx more than email by mccalli · · Score: 2, Funny
      Using aim/icq to speak to a roommate whom is not 6 feet away in a dorm room just screams that there has been a huge culture shift.

      Far back in the mists of time, well about 1990 anyway, there was a talker called Cheeseplant's House. This got really popular for a while, and at my university people would compulsively log on to it to talk. Eventually a user 'shouted' "Alright - this is silly. How many people here are just sitting in the Lab at Lancaster?".

      The number of shame-faced heads that suddenly looked up and started glancing about was truly comical to see. And yes, I was one of 'em.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:IM mpx more than email by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 1

      I know I am guilty of talking to roommates online versus in person WHEN THEY ARE NO MORE THAN A DOZEN OR SO FEET AWAY.

      I've done this with my wife...but only while we're both on IRC or something so everyone can "hear" what we're talking about.

    3. Re:IM mpx more than email by MasterOfMagic · · Score: 1

      We will see what happens when corporate AIM succeeds and im becomes pay. ;)

      If this is really important to you, move all of you instant messaging to Jabber. If you're really hardcore about it, run a Jabber server on a box in your LAN. If you set it up correctly, you can run "gateways" or "agents" that allow you to use your Jabber clients to log onto other instant messaging networks, including the big 4 (ICQ, AIM, MSN, and Yahoo).

      I use this in house when I set up instant messaging for clients as it's open source, it can run over the Internet, and there's no chance that the business model is going to change and start charging.

    4. Re:IM mpx more than email by txsable · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of my college days (early 1990's). We would have people sitting around the computer lab, logged into VAX terminals. I was once on a 6-way VAX-Phone conversation (you try reading live text in 5 different frames of only 3 lines each, and keeping up!). Turned out that only one of the 6 people in that conversation was at a different school, and only one of the rest was in a different computer lab. the other four of us felt really silly when that was revealed!

  30. haven't read it... by pohl · · Score: 1

    ...we're crushing the server, so I have not yet RTFA. Is it going to tell me how to deal with the resource contention and scheduling problems of all of these meatspace conversation? I personally like to have a queue so that I can interleave communications with other things. In fact, I think it's quite rude for someone to grab a mutex lock on me for something that amounts to a trivial one-liner.

    --

    The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...

  31. Email to CYA by Geeky · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I use email almost exclusively now - if something is discussed face to face or over the phone, there's nothing in writing. We have something of a blame culture where I work, and so I find it necessary to have an audit trail of conversations.

    If it's not in an email it never happened. Even when I have a conversation, I feel obliged to follow up with an email summarising the points to make sure we're all on the same page (excuse the management speak).

    --
    Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
    1. Re:Email to CYA by Shabbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is so true. In every client engagement I have, after every discussion where there are no minutes taken I email them to confirm the decisions made to have it in writing. That is the only way to enforce the decisions made, and to validate that everyone is on the same page.

      CYA indeed.

      --
      Mark
    2. Re:Email to CYA by pmz · · Score: 1

      If it's not in an email it never happened.

      Very true but unfortunate, because e-mail still isn't good enough.

      For some projects, e-mail is the only written design documentation. Even then, it isn't reliable, as some people don't keep e-mail and some people never remember what they read in e-mail. Worse, some people cannot write to save their lives or write in some sort of inintelligible slang, dialect, or 133t-speak (you see, it makes them special, as if they are somehow important because of this).

      Sigh. I wish people could just learn to write their damn language well. In the U.S., for example, it is really sad that the junior-high and high-schools are totally broken, because we could be so much more effective e-mail writers--and more effective professionals--as a result.

    3. Re:Email to CYA by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Is the e-mail you recieved signed? Then how can you show it wasn't forged?

      OTOH, I guess if you have the e-mail, it's up to them to prove that it was forged...

      If you're going to have a blame culture, you ought to be consistent about these things.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:Email to CYA by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      I use email almost exclusively now - if something is discussed face to face or over the phone, there's nothing in writing. We have something of a blame culture where I work, and so I find it necessary to have an audit trail of conversations.

      You work in government, too, huh?

      --
      !#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
    5. Re:Email to CYA by Galvatron · · Score: 1

      He's not trying to prove something in a court of law here, he's just trying to keep from getting blamed by his superiors. For such a purpose, email is sufficient.

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      "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
    6. Re:Email to CYA by autophile · · Score: 3, Interesting
      If it's not in an email it never happened.

      Our office uses Lotus, and has a policy where it autodeletes e-mails after 60 days. So history didn't start until 60 days ago!

      --
      Towards the Singularity.
    7. Re:Email to CYA by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I understood that. So to CYA he can create the e-mail.

      Whoops! Not so good. If you are going to use e-mail this way it had *better* be signed. Otherwise you are inviting abuse.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    8. Re:Email to CYA by Spoing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We have something of a blame culture where I work, and so I find it necessary to have an audit trail of conversations.

      I do that too -- depending entirely on the person and the environment. Even in bad environments, if the person is reasonable I tend not to leave as explicit a paper trail.

      --
      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    9. Re:Email to CYA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true...

      He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame.

      Email can be a valuable tool for dealing with blame reactionary type people. Individuals who are not afraid of the truth use email.

      More on topic... Contrary to the article, technical debates should be held in email. When everyone can't be at a meeting, email facilitates group participation. Messaging also provides each person additional time for an intelligent reponse. Facts can be checked, thoughts can be organized, references to previous messages can be made. If you have got a deadline to meet, by all means, get everyone together in a war room and figure it out. Otherwise, leave people alone and send them a message they can read on thier own time.

  32. CYA baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    eMail communication at work offers one significant advantage over the other methods described - a dated, written record of your conversation.

    When you work in a corporate culture where comments are often blown out of proportion, and where your coworkers are out to screw you every chance they can get, you need a written record of every conversation. You need to document every engagement with the customers and with management for the inevitable misunderstandings and escalation and trials that come up.

    Non-trackable official work conversations are scary and a really bad idea.

    ... this is from someone who has been burned _way_ too many times ...

  33. Unfortunatly by altp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am required to answer people as soon as the email comes in. It is expected, that I stop programming and answer my email ASAP, in case the problem being reported is an emergency.

    And, being salaried, i don't get paid to work late nights and such (which doesn't stop me, but doesn't motivate me either).

    Also, head phones aren't allowed in my office, because if a user comes in with a question it can make them feel ignored.

    So. great advise. Wish i could use. it.

    1. Re:Unfortunatly by arkanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You work at an office small enough that users can walk right up to the programmers and bother them, but not informal enough that you can wear headphones? Sucky.

    2. Re:Unfortunatly by TKinias · · Score: 1

      scripsit altp:

      I am required to answer people as soon as the mail comes in. It is expected, that I stop programming and answer my email ASAP, in case the problem being reported is an emergency.

      Anyone using e-mail for emergency communication should be flogged. It's just not that reliable -- have they never seen a mail server sit on an e-mail for ten hours because of a network glitch?

      head phones aren't allowed in my office,

      So they're willing to give you an office with walls and a door, so your music doesn't bother anyone else? Sweet.

      So. great advise. Wish i could use. it.

      Sounds like a particularly clueless and geek-hostile firm.

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      In principio creauit Linus Linucem.
    3. Re:Unfortunatly by qoncept · · Score: 1
      And, being salaried, i don't get paid to work late nights and such (which doesn't stop me, but doesn't motivate me either).

      Being salaried, you are paid to work whenever you are needed. Being salaried, you've accepted this and while no, it isn't going to motivate you to stay late, its your job, but it is what you're paid for.

      --
      Whale
    4. Re:Unfortunatly by HiThere · · Score: 1

      How much do you feel a salaried person should work? Do you believe it depends on how much they are paid?

      When I was younger, I believed in my company. In a way I still do. But I no longer stay until midnight. In fact, these days I average 8 hours a day. Being salaried means I don't punch a time clock, it doesn't mean I have to work as much as they feel like wanting me to. It's not as if there were any reward... any! Perhaps it's different where you work. Or perhaps you are a boss. But just calling someone salried instead of hourly doesn't entitle you to make them your slave. And it's frequently just a cynical ploy to keep them out of the union. For that I'm supposed to be grateful?

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re:Unfortunatly by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      What?

      The option of a "salary" versus "hourly" wage is something you negotiate with your employer. By saying, "I want an annual salary," you are saying, "I agree to do the job you hire me for in exchange for a fixed wage."

      The job you're hired for is not required to have an 8-hour day and a 40-hour week just because you're salaried. It's whatever you've agreed with your employer that it should be. If your employer is abusing that agreement by changing the conditions of your job without renegotiating pay, that's an entirely different problem that you need to take up with your employer.

    6. Re:Unfortunatly by qoncept · · Score: 1
      The sad truth is that we're in a field where salary is about the only way to go, because the time we're needed to work are so dynamic.

      I'm an Air Force programmer, which I suppose is most like salary, though most salary jobs tend to pay a lot more. I've got benefits and job security, but I've also got a contract that I'm not gonna get out of for the next few years.

      While I've spent my share of weekends and late nights here, I've also gotten out early and have a lot more days off than I'd expect. That's just the way it goes. I'd prefer an hourly job, 8 hours a day, maybe some extra time if someone can't make it to work, but that's not going to happen.

      --
      Whale
    7. Re:Unfortunatly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What kind Lumbergs do you work for? The most important feature of email is that it is asynchronous communication. If there's an emergency, you have a telephone. If you're dicking around with email all day, you can't do any work.

    8. Re:Unfortunatly by theguru · · Score: 1

      Check with a lawyer in your state. Just being slaried doesn't exempt you from being paid overtime. There are several tests that must be matched to be an exempt employee.

      Are you truly salaried? If you can get your work for the week done in 32 hours, and you don't show up on Friday that week, do they dock you 8 hours pay? Then you're not salaried.

      Computer programmers have some other rules in the federal wage laws that don't help us though. If you make less than $27.XX an hour (6 times minimum wage at the time this was added to the law) then you are non-exempt and are required to be paid overtime. This is an effective hourly rate, even if you are paid a "salary".

      If you're lucky (?) enough to live in California, this rate is $4X.XX an hour.

      Also, the federal fair wage laws say that if you are non-exempt from overtime, that you can't voluntarily work unpaid time. This keeps employers from being able to claim that they didn't force you to work that extra time.

      Good luck!

    9. Re:Unfortunatly by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
      Anyone using e-mail for emergency communication should be flogged. It's just not that reliable -- have they never seen a mail server sit on an e-mail for ten hours because of a network glitch?

      I've sometimes taken advantage of emails unreliability. "Oh, was there a meeting? Sorry, I didn't get the email".
      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    10. Re:Unfortunatly by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Perhaps my attitude was set by two incidents.

      In the first, my supervisor had asked me to keep track of my time informally, and let him know. After I'd gotten about 2 weeks backlog...he switched to another job, and my new supervisor knew nothing of the arrangement.

      After that I always kept time officially. So I'd racked up over 400 hours backlog and was in the middle of a heavy project when accounting passed a change saying that you could only have 200 hours, and if you had more, you had to take it now. I was under heavy pressure to finish... so I did. And lost the hours.

      Accounting had no idea what they were doing to me, and neither did my new supervisor. But they did it. And my old supervisor knew it, and expected me to remain friendly. Well, he had the balance of power, so I, sort of, did. But my level of trust went way down. Both times.

      A large organization doesn't know what it's doing to you. It makes rules to accomplish it's ends. Don't put yourself in a vulnerable position, or you will be stepped on with or without knowledge. Now the place I work for isn't that large, but I don't tend to be that assertive. And I know that sometimes if I were, then people wouldn't step on me as much. But I also know myself. Still, the larger an organization, the less flexible it is, and even at our size people who make waves are considered troublemakers, even when they are only asking for reasonable consideration.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  34. At least you get a written record.. by cannon_trodder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All changes to software I am developing are sent to me via email. Providing they are concise enough, it means I've always got something in writing to prove what was originally requested.

    When people give you verbal instructions, I find that when they forget to ask you to do something, they often try to turn it around and make out that they *did* tell you.

    People should use email because it's an efficient tool but I guess I use it mainly to cover my own back.

  35. Sounds interesting by greechneb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But the worst challenge is administration - This is an actual memo from our company president

    Memo
    To: CEO's
    From: Jim
    Date: 9/25/2002
    Re: A Memo about Memo's

    At the risk of sounding like a Delbert cartoon:
    Yes, this is a Memo about the use of Memo's.

    There have been several instances lately of inadequate communication, where the use of a Memo may have improved the understanding, or even prevented a problem.

    First, I want to emphasize that the best form of communication is face-to-face; the second best is via telephone. Both of those methods allow the free flow exchange of ideas, with immediate feedback. The face-to-face advantage is the "body language" that most people can't hide, even if they tried. An example is a supervisor instructing a subordinate, who says: ... "yes I understandâ¦â but their expression shows confusion, and the supervisor knows the training is not complete.

    Email is becoming another popular form of communication; it has its advantages, and its shortfalls. An email documents, as succinctly as the author can write it, just what is intended, no more, no less, and complete with a date and time. But a series of emails is not as efficient as a conversation.

    Now to the heart of my message: many times, a conversation should be followed up by a Memo. It serves to record whatever was agreed upon, and can be copied to all appropriate individuals, without losing anything ''in translation". Memo's can be sent via email, fax, or courier. They may generate related Memo's in response, which can serve to document progress.

    When using emails for this purpose, it is often best to string them together, so that all related emails or attached Memo's, can be referenced. If you are worried that an email may get automatically deleted or archived before the issue is resolved, it is wise to save it to a folder, or even print it if necessary.

    It is generally advisable to specify responsibilities and expectations of respective individuals in your Memo's, including deadlines. Sometimes, you may wish to copy the Memo to a supervisor and/or senior management, so they can be apprised of the issue at hand.
    Let's review:
    1) While they don't replace conversations, Memo's are used to summarize understandings
    2) Send to those directly involved, copy to others when appropriate, and list the author (you)
    3) Date and title the Memo
    4) Summarize understandings or instructions, complete with assignments and deadlines
    5) Suggest additional meetings or conversations if more clarification is needed Note: 2-3 above are prompted for when using email or the Memo format in Word. We can help explain how we can use Outlook to organize Tasks and schedule meetings.

    Example: please provide a copy of THIS Memo to each of your supervisors, and ask them to adopt this form of communication, this week. Thank you.

    1. Re:Sounds interesting by tuffy · · Score: 1
      But the worst challenge is administration - This is an actual memo from our company president

      It looks like the second worst challenge is correct apostraphe usage. I'm amazed that a company president uses "Memo's" to mean "memos". Scary.

      --

      Ita erat quando hic adveni.

    2. Re:Sounds interesting by mikeage · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1 to the boss for knowing who Dilbert is
      -5 for spelling it is Delbert

      Seriously... aside from the other obvious error of Memo's, it's actually a good piece.

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      -- Is "Sig" copyrighted by www.sig.com?
    3. Re:Sounds interesting by dentar · · Score: 1

      The apostrophe abuse here makes me think that the guy who wrote this should be sent "memo's" about how to use "apostrophe's" AAAAAH!

      How to use the apostrophe.

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      -- I am. Therefore, I think!
    4. Re:Sounds interesting by thenightfly42 · · Score: 1

      The musical How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying (1961) covered this already. I don't have the script handy, but in an introductory scene:

      Man 1: Did you get the old man's memo?
      Man 2: What memo?
      1: The memo about memos. We're sending too many memos and it's got to stop!
      2: Right, I'll send out a memo on that.

      Nothing in the business world really changes.

    5. Re:Sounds interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except of course that this memo is about encouraging the use of more memos.

    6. Re:Sounds interesting by Sinical · · Score: 1
      • TO: CEO's
      • Yes, this is a Memo about the use of Memo's.
      • Memo's can be sent via email, fax, or courier. They may generate related Memo's in response, which can serve to document progress.

      Tons more snipped.

      Jesus, thank god I don't work there, cuz I don't want to work somewhere that there're people who have power to send company-wide email and yet don't know the difference between plurals and possessives. What a tool.

      Yeah, I'm anal. SCO me!

    7. Re:Sounds interesting by bshanks · · Score: 1

      Is there a problem here? This seems like an insightful and well-thought out piece (thank you for bringing it to our attention).

      Some other comments take issue with details like spelling and punctuation, but I found the information was communicated effectively and the minor errors weren't too annoying.

    8. Re:Sounds interesting by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      How do you know the apostrophes were in the original and not added by the poster?

      I resisted the urge to write "apostrophe's".

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      All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
    9. Re:Sounds interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he didn't mix up hear and here, or their, there and they're!

      As literacy fuckups go, "Memo's" is not high on the "Reading this shit gives me a headache" scale.

  36. Antisocial author by nsushkin · · Score: 1

    While checking your email all the time may hurt your productivity if you can't stop reading your email, it does hurt social interaction.

    Interruption and immediate response may be more beneficial in many situations than prolonged periods
    of uninterrupted coding.

    I know people who refuse to use instant messaging because it makes them reply right away, wasting their time. At the same time, they also take time to respond to emails.

    1. Re:Antisocial author by nsushkin · · Score: 1

      Here's a related story in New York Times IM Expands to Work

  37. Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the most annoying aspect of email in the workplace. CC'ing somebody's f***** boss as if the recipient is going to think "Ah, he's CC'd my boss, i'd better get a move on with this."

    All it does is PISS THEIR BOSS OFF.

    And that's only the start of the problem. I have just been involved in a project where a minor issue that could have been resolved between two developers was blown up out of all proportion and resulted in a "crisis meeting" - all because of a reckless CC.

    1. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If I had points, I'd give all of them to you. These are the same type of people who place text from your e-mails in BOLD in a "gotcha" kind of move.

    2. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      We have this problem all the time. The boss wants to be copied on everything, so every time something is emailed that results in even the slightest code change (like changing the caption on a text box from 'Phone No' to simply 'Phone') he wastes half a day with a design meeting about it.

      It aggravates everything because he was a programmer in the 70s, so his concept of an application is completely obsolete in an object-oriented event driven world.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    3. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > in an object-oriented event driven world.

      Jon Katz, is that you?

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      - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
    4. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Demerara · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All it does is PISS THEIR BOSS OFF
      Not necessarily - it depends on the Boss and on the frequency with which the cc: weapon is deployed.
      Used sparingly, it can get results. Used all the time, any Boss will glaze over and ignore.
      The best place for CC: is in paper documentation - that way, your intended victim BELIEVES that the Boss is getting a copy. But you don't bother to actually send the hard copy to the boss. I recently used this when I wrote the Customer Service Manager of a recalcitrant Telco. I put CC: CEO and showed that I had the CEO's email address on a paper letter. I had FOUR phone calls from senior Telco staff addressing (and, Hurrah!) solving my problem the same day.

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    5. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by andy@petdance.com · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I, too, am a pointy-hair, and I have this problem on a project I'm overseeing. One of my programmers is paired up with a programmer from the mainframe side of the house. The MF programmer was cc:ing me on every request she made of my programmer, in the same sort of "if I cc: Andy, then she'll do it."

      It's really insulting to me and my team, because the implication is "Tricia has to be nudged to make this happen."

      I sent an email saying specifically "I don't need to be cc:'d on every email about the project. If there is a problem with the project, I'm sure Tricia will tell me about it. If you feel that something is not being done to your satisfaction, please let me know directly and I'll take care of the situation."

      I haven't had a CYA cc: since.

    6. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Sabalon · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree. Though our dept's rule is when you reply, make sure that everyone who was CC'd on the original e-mail is kept in the reply.

      This works great when someone does something like the above and is either completely wrong about something, knows not what they are talking about, etc...

      The BOFH in me loves to be able to reply back with "This data is showing up wrong on the web because it is in the database wrong. I did some further tracking and found that the incorrect data is in this record that you entered on such-and-such date."

      Usually stops the random cc's for a little bit.

    7. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      michael is that you?

      how do you like it?

      how dare you

      thems fightin words

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    8. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Black+Jack+Hyde · · Score: 1
      CC'ing somebody's f***** boss as if the recipient is going to think "Ah, he's CC'd my boss, i'd better get a move on with this."

      Especially when that someone happens to be fscking the boss, and the boss wants to make sure that the someone in question stays happy at work so she'll make him happy after work.

      Jack

    9. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by dsplat · · Score: 1

      There are other good reasons to CC someone's boss. Frequently, getting someone's time to work on a problem that is outside of their normal responsibilities is going to require approval from about. Describing the need to both the guy whose help you want and the guy who can authorize it can work wonders in situations like this. That way, the guy whose help you wanted doesn't have to pitch it to his boss for you. Of course, it is often appropriate to use this form:

      To: Boss
      CC: Coworker with skills you need
      Subject: XYZ Project

      Hey Mr. Boss,

      Coworker has some skills that could save us several weeks of redundant work. We could really use a couple days of his time and it would help us bring the XYZ Project in within or even under budget.

      Note, swapping the To and CC lines.

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      The net will not be what we demand, but what we make it. Build it well.
    10. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      This is the most annoying aspect of email in the workplace. CC'ing somebody's f***** boss as if the recipient is going to think "Ah, he's CC'd my boss, i'd better get a move on with this."

      Actually, I prefer it when people cc: my manager. That way I don't have to tell her what I'm working on myself. She doesn't really care what I'm doing, so long as I'm doing something more-or-less useful. I'm in London, she's in NYC. It works pretty well.

    11. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
      All it does is PISS THEIR BOSS OFF.

      No - all it does when one particular culprit in our organisation does it is PISS ME OFF.

      Malcolm - you know who you are...

      --
      oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
    12. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by shaka999 · · Score: 1

      I'll admit it, I often CC someones boss.

      If I can't get a response to a question after and voice mail and email it goes to the boss. Its not my job to deal with an unresponsive employee. I have a job to get done.

      An contrary to what you say the response rate on emails that include ones boss goes WAY up.

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      One should not theorize before one has data. -Sherlock Holmes-
    13. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Frater+219 · · Score: 1
      All it does is PISS THEIR BOSS OFF.

      One of my most unreasonable in-house support clients does this. He's the most likely guy here to raise his voice to support staff, or to come up with bizarre demands on how we should fix his problem (rather than simply that it should be fixed), or to demand that something be done now because he didn't prepare in advance.

      I actually like it that this guy does cc: my boss, because it makes it plain as day to my boss that the guy is unreasonable. He sees all the SHOUTY CAPS, all the "this is urgent and must be fixed immediately!" and the offensive sig block, too.

    14. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I think it pisses off the recipient more. There is a manager here who would CC God if it was an option. Everything that happens to her users' systems is supposed to be a concern for management all over the country.

      One time I had enough and responded with an email that stated something like this:

      $USER experienced an error on her computer and rather than calling the help desk, she emailed $MANGLER. The mangler then emailed three techs and two other manglers. At this point, seven people had become involved while all the user needed to do was reboot. This is a good example of how the email process is circumenting the point of having a helpdesk.

      Or words to those effect. Since then I expect $MANGLER has been using the bcc: field more and the amount of email I receive from her has dropped almost to nil.

    15. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      I love it when issues work out this way for me. Not all of the people I deal with are dumbasses, but one or two that frequently try to make use of this CC: trick are, and I have to take the rest of the day off when a really good issue gets resolved like this.

      Unfortunately, it does tend to stop the CC: crap, even when it would continue to work in my advantage if it were continued. The only person seeing that they're a dumbass after that is me, and that's just no fun. I could CC:, but then I'm the ass that's CC:ing...

      If anyone has a solution to this very interesting problem, I'd love to hear it.

    16. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      This is where companies could stand to separate roles better. For a given project, on the technical side, you need:

      1. A manager (in the HR sense), who counts beans, budgets time, keeps morale up and possibly is your buffer from clients

      2. A technical architect, who provides design guidance and who you go to when you have questions or concerns about integrating your project with others

      3. The developers, who just need to crank out code (subject to the TA's design and the manager's prioritization).

      The point is, the manager trusts his technical staff to make technical decisions. The TA trusts that his developers will do an efficient job of implementing his design, and the developers trust that the design is sound. Granted, questions should be asked so that knowledge is shared, but so long as the roles are clearly defined and honored, we shouldn't have annoying managers trying to make dumb technical decisions.

    17. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by toast0 · · Score: 1

      the point of CC'ing to the boss is precisely to piss the boss off. it is important to make clear (to the boss) that the reason the boss is pissed off is because his subordinate is an incompetent twit. At which point the boss gets out the clue stick, and beats the subordinate with it, and then the subordinate does the reasonable thing you asked of them 2 weeks ago.

    18. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by dspeyer · · Score: 1

      You say the responce rate for e-mails cc'd to the boss is higher than otherwise, and suggest that this contradicts what else is said here. Mught I point out that you say you use this on people who haven't answered ordinary e-mails. What is being objected to is the assumption that someone won't get back to you wihut managerial involvement. The above slashdotters find it insulting and untrue to suppose they won't do anything on their own - but there are (presumably other) people out there who actually won't, and that's whomyou'edealing with.

    19. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by igaborf · · Score: 1
      I haven't had a CYA cc: since.

      That's only because you cc'd her boss.

    20. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Bizaff · · Score: 1

      One of my programmers is paired up with a programmer from the mainframe side of the house. The MF programmer was cc:ing me...

      Does MF stand for mainframe? :)

    21. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by CristianoMonteiro · · Score: 1

      > If anyone has a solution to this very
      > interesting problem, I'd love to hear it.

      Just ask for some additional information in a way that makes him feel obligated to answer...

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    22. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And let's not forget those who CC everyone in the universe, EXCEPT the person who can get things done, usually happens becuase someone doesn't know how to use a "reply to all", and they retype the addresses in the CC and miss the person for whom the message should be delivered.

    23. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Sabalon · · Score: 1

      Reply with "since was included in the original conversation, to keep them filled in I have included them in this e-mail."

      It depends on how annoying the person was that does this.

    24. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure does, you MF'ing MotherFucker.

    25. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by oh · · Score: 1
      This is the most annoying aspect of email in the workplace. CC'ing somebody's f***** boss as if the recipient is going to think "Ah, he's CC'd my boss, i'd better get a move on with this."

      All it does is PISS THEIR BOSS OFF.


      Depends on how itâ(TM)s used. The thing is, its only going to work if the person you are dealing with is really stalling. If theyâ(TM)re honestly busy, and their manager is half decent, then all that is going to happen is the manager knows the sender is in a hurry.

      I find that when dealing with different departments putting your own manager in the CC list is usually a good thing. It keeps them up to date with what you are doing, and if the other department manager asks your manager about the work, they know whatâ(TM)s going on.
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    26. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just think the cc's have stopped. They probably took you out of their cc list.

    27. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My boss basic demands such activity, and around here it does make a difference, here. But my favorite coup de grace is that my boss forwords e-mail to me via paper, which he only *reads* to me and takes back with him. So, officially, I don't do anywork -- because anybody who asks me to do something directly gets a talking to ... BTW I'm looking for work, surprised?

      http://shaun.tancheff.com/resume.html

    28. Re:Don't forget to CC their boss.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot resist to mention a recent tactic ... BCC the boss (CTO in my case) each time a mail was sent to insinuate a problem was originating from our group!

      Even if you rebuf with a 'Reply all' the BCC never read the rebuf "It was your decision to change the SPEC, we warned you, you wanted it anyway." reply removed when re-replied (BCC again) "Please code as originally planned ASAP, when will it be ready?"

      I discovered when the CTO jumped in my face about a 'false' problem he should not have learned about in such a short time, and confirmed another time waiting for a paper at the printer, when mail started to come out from someone not on the (visible) receiver list.

      This tactic was started by a professional finger pointer, and once discovered resulted in general paranoia, with even more e-mails needed as 'proof' of who said what about what.

      A big hell hole of a work place...

  38. Quick /. by Rudy+Rodarte · · Score: 1

    /.ed already. I'm, 2 for 2 today. Oh well.
    Anyways, it's exactly like that where I work. However, most of that "email everything mentality" is for CYA purposes. You never know when something you wrote will come back to haunt you, so be very very careful with what you write, my friends. Esp. you young guys, who aren't in the real world just yet. Just imagine:
    Call some girl a slut in a personal eMail sent to your buddy from college.
    A few days later, you get a message that an HR rep wants to talk to you in the lobby.
    Turn in badge an pick up your plant and LOTR poster.
    It can happen to you, and not just in Soviet Russia.

  39. Re:I suppose the big question is... by guacamolefoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Because of the 20 second fucktard filter, I sadly doubt this.

    What exactly is a "fucktard"?

    Is it a retard that is available for being fucked or is it a retard that goes and fucks things? Is it a leotard that one wears to fuck or be fucked? Or is it a leotard that one uses for self-stimulation (i.e. you fuck the leotard, ergo it is a "fucktard")?

    Now, speaking to the issue of what a "fucktard filter" is, again, I can only speculate. Is it a filter made from remnants of the above-referenced fucktard (in the sense that the fucktard is a leotard either used for self-gratification or worn during bouts of fucking or being fucked)? What would such a device filter? Grit from gasoline? Coffee grounds from coffee?

    Is it a means of preventing retards from fucking or being fucked? Why is there a "20 second" version of the "fucktard filter"? What use would such a short-term device have? Why would anyone need a filter that works for only 20 seconds against the threat of a "fucktard"? For the potential risk that a fucktard would seem to pose, isn't it frightening that only twenty seconds of fucktard filtering are available at /.?

    I demand more fucktard filtering! I demand more than 20 seconds of protection from vile fucktards!

    GF. (burning karma today)

  40. Thanks for the Article by RedWolves2 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Thanks for the article. I forwarded the URL, in an e-mail, to all my co-workers.

  41. This is way WAY overdone. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > If you leave your email client running, it means anyone anytime can
    > interrupt what you're doing. Essentially they pick the moments at
    > which you pay attention.

    As opposed to a face-to-face conversation, where you blankly stare through someone or choose to ignore them? Or a phone call is supposed to be better in some way. "Ah, yes! You can ignore a phone call!" Yes, and you can ignore your email for periods as it stacks in.

    I think having emails stream in on a regular basis is only a problem if you're obsessive compulsive about reading each and every one as they happen. Otherwise, it really isn't a problem anywhere near the author suggests. We can leave our email client running AND pick the moments we receive our mail.

    I think one of the main reasons I like email is for a reason you give... it is a public and pemanent record. Although not necessarily true, I have to say, I like emails so that I can document things and refer back to them later when I need to. Super handy.

    I'm sure I'd find more to disagree with in the article if it ever finishes loading.

    1. Re:This is way WAY overdone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure I'd find more to disagree with in the article if it ever finishes loading.

      The tyranny of HTML.

    2. Re:This is way WAY overdone. by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my email I can check 2 or 3 times a day. But when the phone rings, I have to anwer it. And when my boss walks in, I have to (pretend to) pay attention.

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    3. Re:This is way WAY overdone. by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1

      As opposed to a face-to-face conversation, where you blankly stare through someone or choose to ignore them? Or a phone call is supposed to be better in some way.

      Man, no fucking doubt. I despise the idea that meaningful communication must take place over the phone or in person. What I hear when people say that is "I am incapable of trasmitting or receiving information without emotional context, and therefore do not work with, will not act on, and will not communicate facts."

      If you can't organize your thoughts well enough to write them down, why should I spend time sorting through them?

  42. slashdot causes more problems than email by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    I'm constantly checking for new stories and other great material to digest.

    I only check email at 7am when I get to work and at 1pm after lunch and at 4:30 just before leaving. No concentration broken at all. I have plenty of time to come up with insightful, intelligent, well thought out comments like "Frist Post".

    J'aime les gros roberts parce que je suis un gros robert et j'aime les gros roberts!

  43. I'll stick with email. by crazyphilman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For my money, the best way to deal with coworkers, particularly in reference to a technical problem, is email. You can take your time and frame your thoughts, organize them, edit them... Include source code and links to citations... It's really much better than face-to-face conversation. It even gives you an audit trail, in case someone "forgets" that he promised you a deliverable ("Oh? You never said you would write that component? Hmm... let me see" -- fishing in list of printouts -- "Huh. Isn't this your email describing what you were going to do for me?"). Face to face contact is a dodge, a way for people to stay off the record. Fuck 'em; always get it on "paper".

    Besides, I'm not exactly a friendly person. Other people are fine in concept, provided I am permitted to observe them from a distance, but I don't like having too much face-to-face contact with them. Email lets me maintain some degree of solitude at work, which preserves my overall level of happiness.

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    Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
    1. Re:I'll stick with email. by pla · · Score: 1

      the best way to deal with coworkers, particularly in reference to a technical problem, is email

      I agree completely. Most respondants to this article take the approach that email seems too distracting or impersonal. I can only assume most respondant do not have people asking them tech-oriented questions.

      For the first point - Don't leave your email program open and checking the server every 5 minutes ;-)

      For the second, not all questions need a "personal" touch. Many, in fact, need just a purely factual response (and for that matter, most emails I get that don't need "just the facts, ma'am", I will discard without replying). When someone asks me a question, they want an answer, not mindless banter about the weather and the wife & kids and whether or not I've heard the latest gossip.


      It even gives you an audit trail

      Yes! I couldn't agree more. I can't even count the number of times someone cornered me with a question after a meeting, only to have the same question come down from my manager (and presumeably up some number of layers in managemen) two weeks later in an annoyed tone of voice as though I hadn't already given the needed information. I've learned that someone asking "how do I do this" means "do this for me", and "where do I find this" means "get this for me". Screw that! The best response? "I'll have to think about it, and I'll email you the answer by the end of the day.

  44. This deals with Time Mgmt. But there other issues by Montgomery+Burns+III · · Score: 1

    I appreciated the comments about not letting the urgent get in the way of the important. There are other possibly bigger abuses of e-mail out there. For example, hiding from people, starting flame wars, overall communications problems that might be solved on the phone or face toface for five minutes. Does anyone have a link that deals with these issues?

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    'ta
  45. Partial whoring of karma by guacamolefoo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I got slashdotted halfway through loading the page:

    In a hurry? Then please see the rules for avoiding email tyranny and the guidelines for being productive.

    Email is one of the greatest things the computer revolution has done for personal productivity. Used improperly, it can also hurt your productivity. This article discusses ways to use email effectively. Then it goes beyond that and talks about how to be productive, period.

    When Email Goes Bad

    I'm not going to list all the reasons email is good. You know them already, I assume you are an avid email user. (Anyone reading this is online, and just about anyone who goes online uses email.) I'm also not going to tell you email is evil, because it isn't. The negative productivity impact of email comes from the way you use it, not the medium itself.

    There are two ways email impairs your productivity:

    It breaks your concentration.
    It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.
    Let's take the concentration impact first. I'm a software engineer, and programming requires extended periods of concentration. Actually this isn't unique to programming, a lot of fields require that you concentrate. (Probably just about everything worth doing requires some concentration!)

    {
    I maintain that programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. It takes three hours to spin up to speed, gather your concentration, shift into "right brain mode", and really focus on a problem. Effective programmers organize their day to have at least one three-hour window, and hopefully two or three. (This is why good programmers often work late at night. They don't get interrupted as much...)
    }

    One of the key attributes of email is that it queues messages. Unlike face-to-face conversation and 'phone calls, people can communicate via email without both paying attention at the same time. You pick the moments at which you pay attention to email. But many people leave their email client running continuously. This is the biggest baddest reason why email hurts your productivity. If you leave your email client running, it means anyone anytime can interrupt what you're doing. Essentially they pick the moments at which you pay attention. (Even some random spammer who is sending you a crappy ad for a get-rich scheme.) This is bad.

    There are three stages to this badness. Stage one is configuring your email client to present alerts when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage two is configuring your email client to make noise when you receive an email. Don't do this. Stage three is running your email client all the time. Don't do this, either. To be effective, you must pick the moments at which you're going to receive email. I know this go


    Sorry -- the end.

    GF.

  46. It's the other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I can't read the article (Slashdotted), but from the other posts here, it seems the article has it backwards.

    I find that, for whatever reason, a lot of people can't seem to do anything via e-mail and insist on having unproductive meetings and conference calls. There's nothing more more annoying than listening to people go off on a tangent during a conference call, knowing that the real topic of the meeting will remain unresolved. Surely this nonsense could have been handled through e-mail.

    Or worse, you take the trouble to hash out the basic issues by e-mail, and then meet to resolve a few tricky things in person - generally this is my preferred approach - but somebody didn't bother to read the e-mail discussion and insists on going over things that were already discussed and taken care of. The whole meeting is wasted as you go over some stupid little point that really doesn't matter anyway, and the real issues never make it to discussion. Grr.

    [Posting anonymously in case the people I'm talking about read Slashdot. :-)]

  47. Anyone else by squaretorus · · Score: 1

    Anyone else sitting there thinking 'if I tell the story about ... lets call him 'Dave' and the petty innappropriate emails he used to send he'll get upset - hes BOUND to recognise himself'

  48. A non issue me sez by watzinaneihm · · Score: 1

    This sort of stuff has been going on for years. A new technology arrives, it has visible effects on society and then somebody commennts saying that the technology s bad
    Very often, nothing is wrong with the technology, just with its implementation. Here the arguement seems to be that 1) people leave mail clients on all the time
    2) Interactivity is lost by queing.
    The first one clearly is easily solved. Dont leave your mail client on all the time if you have a problem. Part two: As long as both parties expect email to be non-interactive, again no problem.The probelm really is that we take the normal rules of conversation and apply it to emails
    Anyday an email is better than your neighbour pooping in to your cubicle and questioning you at arbitrary moments as long as you are not a compulsive replier.
    And if you want interactivity use an IM client, since I can talk faster than i type, atleast I get time to think. Measured in terms of total gain /total loss I still think email is a good thing.

    Similar arguements have been raised against TVs,phones,mobile phones,computers,etc. etc. None of them seemed to stop people from using it.
    Is slashdot news for nerds or for technophobes?

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    1. Re:A non issue me sez by GeorgeH · · Score: 2, Funny
      Anyday an email is better than your neighbour pooping in to your cubicle
      Truer words were never written!
      --
      Why can't I moderate something "Wrong" or at least "Grossly Misinformed"?
  49. email (like anything) can go both ways by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where I work, the guy in the office next to me (about 10 feet away) would be the 'primary support' contact. Every once in awhile he'd get a bug report or something that would need to go to me. He'd email it to me. I dont check my email every 30 seconds, so it would basically go unnoticed for hours, maybe even a day or so. If he'd even speak in a normal voice and say "hey, check your email", then I'd know.

    He's been since shit-canned, but it was still endlessly annoying to find out about a problem later than it was reported.

    However, with our clients, email is the only way I want to handle everything. It provides a written audit trail of everything that happens, and it's come in handy many times.

    One client in particular is becoming infamous around here for talking to techies like me on the phone, saying "oh there's nothing wrong, everything is going fine, just a couple really minor issues", and as soon as the phone is hung up, she's talking to the tech director pulling a chicken little act and telling him that the sky is falling and us lazy computer nerds arent saving the day. Luckily he's not enough of a pointy-haired boss to realize she's full of shit.

    So, when she calls, I say "put every issue you have in an email". She has no room to lie and tell the boss she reported problem X or Y.

    --
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    1. Re:email (like anything) can go both ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But is it your responsibiliy to keep on top of your tasks? Is/was email to be used as part of assigning work to you?

      I know when I worked in IT (thank 'god' I'm in Software QA now) we were responsible for keeping up on our queues. We all got text pagers and had rules set up to forward email to our pagers whenever we got a new task. Prior to the pagers, we were required to keep an eye on our queues.

    2. Re:email (like anything) can go both ways by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      No, I'm not a tech support person, I'm a developer. I spend my day writing new code, and only fix older code when it's broken. So if it's an actual software bug, it gets kicked up to me. If it's an "I'm a dipshit user and deleted all of my admin records" I say hard cheese.

      So I'm not required to be watching my e-mail all day. Generally, I only check it maybe twice a day when I have time, or when I know somethings coming, like if I'm having someone send me some requirements.

      --
      I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  50. Mirror list by brejc8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah a first oportunity to try out the Distributed Mirror Project
    Here is a mirror list

    1. Re:Mirror list by awx · · Score: 1

      ooh, what's this?

      --
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    2. Re:Mirror list by brejc8 · · Score: 1

      I only started the project so not many people know about it so far.
      If you have a mirror with pictures and the other links then please do submit it.

    3. Re:Mirror list by nicodaemos · · Score: 2, Funny

      I couldn't connect to the server ... I think the distributed mirror's been slashdotted. Does anyone have a mirror for the distributed mirror?

  51. Praise almighty email! by BrodieBruce · · Score: 3, Interesting
    At work, I find that most people actually reply to email promptly. And sometimes email really complements a prior conversation. If you mention a quick idea to your boss, and then follow up with a more detailed email, I think you're more likely to get his/her attention.

    And when you're working in IT, where your manager is probably on the verge of a nervous breakdown half the day, email is a lifesaver. I know that my boss preferred getting emails to having people walk into his office for everything. Sure, urgent matters are a different issue. But at least he could reply to important emails quickly and the rest of the email after the working day was done and not be interrupted in the middle of whatever he was doing earlier.

    But, there's also laziness. I can't think of how many times my college roommates and I used to IM each other when we were all within shouting distance of each other.

    1. Re:Praise almighty email! by flajann · · Score: 1
      The advantage with IM is that you can carry on a private conversation with little concern that someone else -- other than the sysadmin with a packet sniffer -- will "hear" the conversaiton.

      I want to set up secure IM sometime in the future. Encryption to the max. All I need is the time...

    2. Re:Praise almighty email! by BrodieBruce · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who uses ssh to tunnel to his home box (from work) and then uses IM off of that. Not that anyone really cares if he uses IM in his spare time at work, but it does guarantee him privacy.

    3. Re:Praise almighty email! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The disadvantage to IM is when it gets into userspace and they start using it to solicit dates. We removed the messaging executables from each workstation (using a del line in the login script) when it came to management's attention that someone was IMing girls in the department with ... uh ... personal statistics, asking if they wanted to go out with him.

    4. Re:Praise almighty email! by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      I can't think of how many times my college roommates and I used to IM each other when we were all within shouting distance of each other.

      A friend of mine actually communicates around his apartment to his roommates via his computer's microphone/headset thingie. Pretty sad. Saves yelling.

      --Dan

    5. Re:Praise almighty email! by flajann · · Score: 1
      Of course, said idiot should've done this in person, not through the IM! You have to be man enough to ask a lady out -- in person -- before she'll go out with you.



      As far as IMing, he can still IM using Java applets. Unless the JVMs were also removed or never installed.

    6. Re:Praise almighty email! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, or by using net send , but lest we forget, these are _users_ - they know not of such things.

  52. Press conferences ("Old world") by franimal · · Score: 1
    Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates.

    Seems to me that this could, given current events, be applied to press conferences as well.

  53. Re:Partial whoring of karma - part II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..es against common wisdom. Just about everyone I know runs their client all the time, has it configured to make noise, and may even have it present alerts when an email is received. Don't do it.

    Spam is the best kind of email to get, because you look at it quickly, see that it's spam, and delete it. Then you get back to work. Personal email is the second best kind of email to get, because you either respond quickly ("Hi Jane, great hearing from you. See you at the club tonight.") or set it aside for later. Task-oriented work email is the worst kind of email to get. It often requires thought, and because it is work there is some immediacy to it. But as soon as you take the time to respond, you've interrupted yourself. You've shifted back to "left brain mode", and you've lost the thread of your concentration.

    This doesn't mean you shouldn't respond to emails promptly. Check email whenever you're interrupted anyway - before you start work, after a meeting, after lunch, before you go home, etc. Set aside time to do this. Just don't let others dictate the timing.

    Has this ever happened to you?

    [ In the hallway at work... ]
    O: "Hi R, how's it going?"
    R: "Great, how are you?"
    O: "Good. Hey, did you see my email about the framitz?"
    R: "No, I haven't checked my email yet today, sorry."
    O: "WHAT!"

    It has happened to me. Sometimes I can't believe it - I sent the email at 9:30, and here it is 11:30, and they haven't checked their email? What are they doing? They're being efficient, that's what. They're picking their moment to be interrupted, and that's a good thing. We'll revisit this theme again below in the Three Hour Rule. For now, here's the takeaway:

    Turn your email client off. You should pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.
    Okay, now let's look at the second productivity-sapping attribute of email, that it misleads you into inefficient problem solving. Email is a communication medium. You send messages to others, you receive messages from others. Some of these messages are mere data transmission - FYIs so you know what's going on. Some are "noise" - 'thank you's, 'I got it's, jokes, etc. And some - many - are problem solving. You hear about a problem, and you respond with a possible solution, or a possible approach, or more questions. Nothing wrong so far - email is a good medium for problem solving. And it is so easy - you get an email, you think (sometimes), and you respond. Poof, you're done.

    Except when you're not. Because there are some kinds of problems which don't get solved in email, ever. And as soon as you have that kind of problem, you have to stop, immediately, before you make the problem worse.

    First, never, ever, criticize someone in email. For reasons which I have never fully grasped, any negative emotion is always amplified by communication through email. Sometimes you intend to be critical - someone has done something dumb, or said something silly, or emailed something ridiculous. Resist the urge to reply. Sometimes you don't mean to be critical - you're just making an observation, or engaging in technical debate, or adding facts to a discussion. But as soon as you sense that the recipient has taken your email as criticism, you must immediately switch media - a face-to-face meeting is best, but a 'phone call is also okay.

    Second, don't get into prolonged technical debates in email. I've seen threads lasting weeks with a whole series of kibitzers, with everyone restating their points of view and nothing getting settled. Often email has the effect of polarizing the debate, and the combatants end up further apart in their views then when the debate began. As soon as you sense this happening, you must immediately switch media. A meeting with the core people involved in best, but a conference call is also okay.

    Both of these kinds of problems which don't get solved in email are exacerbated by copying others. The bigger the audience, the worse things get. As bad as it is to be critical in email, it is far worse if ten colleagues are copied. Often the presence of an email audience is what makes for the polarization of technical debates - if the core people were the only ones involved, they would be less virulent and more willing to acknowledge other points of view and seek compromise. Okay, so here's the takeaway:

    Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.
    Before I go on to talking about productivity in general, let me share some other thoughts about email. First, be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails. Every email recipient is going to lose a little time reading each email you send. Simple emails which say "thanks" or "got it" or "see you at the meeting" are polite and part of normal human communication. But there is a limit, no need to reply "you're welcome", or "glad you got it", or "great, I'll see you, too". In my career I've run large teams, and sometimes people in those teams copied me on virtually every email they sent. Maybe they wanted me to know what was going on, or maybe they were letting me know what a great job they were doing. Either way, they were taking my time with stuff I didn't need to spend time on. I have a high capacity for skimming email, but there is always the feeling that they didn't get it; like "why did they copy me on this?" There should be a purpose to every addressee on each email. It is okay to drop recipients from a reply - in fact, it is good; less people are involved, and [to reiterate the point] the bigger the audience, the more any implied criticism or debate will be exacerbated.

    {
    I have to digress for a pet peeve. I send an email to S, and S replies, copying eight other people. I reply back to S alone. S replies, again copying eight other people. This is bad. If I'm smart I will abandon email and continue the conversation with S face-to-face or over the 'phone. If I'm not smart I'll flame S so badly hi


  54. Cant agree with this by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    I would argue that email is the least intrusive form of communication. I can read it when I please, respond when I feel appropriate and consider my responses while I perform some other task.
    If communication is not via email then its by phone so everyones phones are ringing constantly and there is high background chatter, and I pretty much am expected to respond immediately. If not by comminication by phone then face to face communication is worse again in terms of distraction because I am force to direct all my attention to the person I am conversing with.
    Its coding, not brain surgery. If it takes the author 3 hours to get up to speed and they find it difficult to manage in a normal interactive working environment then I would advise alternative employment.

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    What truth?
    There is no dupe
  55. Pong by Vollernurd · · Score: 1

    Email ping-pong is one of the finest ways to avoid responsibility and work that exists. Totally cast-iron.

    In my (bitter and hysterical) experience, dealing with support issues via email takes at least 1-2 days longer than a simple desk-visit or phone call.

    But that's just me.

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    Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
  56. Just an aside before my main mainness by tenjah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is the way in which e-mail can be maliciously exploited.

    Its far too reliant upon the goodwill of the general populace vis-a-vis, hate someone? Spread their email through usenet.

    Yet this situation rarely occurs. So what does that say about society/humanity?

    OR rather, what does that say about my warped, paranoid mind?

    But that is really an aside.

    Really I'd like to bring up the topic of the use of "mate" in the main post. Good good, he is a brit(hate that term, but johnny-foreigner seems to use it alot)/aussie/kiwi/canuck. Language will be disseminated whatever the weather; and in the projects of where-the-fuckever east new york mad props will be given to nigga homey-"mates" down the "pub".

    Cool enough, I was on a ship going around the bahamas and tuned into some US basketball game and the commentator called his fellow "mate".

    But more importantly, I WISH TO HEREBY RECOMMEND THAT THE ENGLISH SPEAKING WORLD (OR more relevantly to me, the UK populace as a whole accept defeat and adopt US spelling) Cos, I got to deal with americans and english people spelling differently, and I would be more than happy to drop colour for color if you see my point. It's just a fucking hassle.

    Whoever the fuck thought that he was making a statement by fucking with the spelling back in the US civil war was right and I bow to him,

    Fuck america, but let's adopt the spelling!

  57. Warping by Rudy+Rodarte · · Score: 1
    Block quoth the article:
    So, what's a "warp-off"? Well, unlike the other three kinds of interruptions, in which other people interrupt you, a "warp-off" is when you interrupt yourself. Generally this happens because you're stuck - you don't know what to do next - so you switch tasks and do something you know how to do. My favorite warp-off is surfing the Internet...

    Come on guys, this website is just one big "warp off"
    At least it is for me.
  58. Improperly utilized... by adjuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find the article itself to be mostly annoying. Anyone who allows their work to be degraded as a result of email has a performance problem, and blaming email, meetings, phone conversations, etc, for that performance problem is just avoiding the real problem.

    Having said that, I'm going to vent about a wildly annoying email situation that I run into frequently.

    I write a lot of proposals and plan deployment projects. I usually have technical questions regarding some specific aspects of deployments that I work on. I've found that I often have many questions, most of which are fairly verbose, and that won't be answered with one-word answers.

    Normally, I bundle all these questions up in an email, put a summary at the beginning and a nice synopsis at the end, and send it off. About 50% of the time I get a good response back with verbose answers (usually these things are going to pre-sales technical support at software and hardware manufacturers), but about the other 50% of the time I get:

    This is too technical to discuss in email, please call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

    PLEASE CALL ME?!? WTF? This is too technical? Perhaps they should answer more like: "I am far, far too stupid to respond to this in writing. My writing skills suck, and I don't communicate well but can at least manage to pull it off in a verbal conversation. Please call." Or maybe, "We are dishonest and will be lying to you about our product. We don't want you to have our lies documented. Please call." And then there's also: "I look busier to my boss when I talk on the phone. If I just send you an email, I won't look busy. Please call." Yeesh.

    There appears to be a strong lack of appreciation for the benefits of email, including the "read and respond" anytime nature, the clarity of good writing (especially on technical topics), the historical reference value, and the easy searchability and recall. Somehow these fucking idiots labor under the assumption that a verbal conversation with them is going to somehow be of more use to me than a documented, searchable, archivable email message. They also labor under the assumption that talking to their fucking voicemail or playing phone-tag with them is something that I want to and have time to do.

    Frankly, this article looks like the musings of somebody with poor time management skills and who is looking for something/someone to blame for it.

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    The Attitude Adjuster, I hate me, you can too.
    1. Re:Improperly utilized... by realdpk · · Score: 1

      ...and then when you call them, they reiterate exactly what you said in the e-mail, because they really did understand it, but they wanted to waste your time with a phone call.

      e-mail > IM > phone > face-to-face > meeting

      The author has things all backwards.

      (I would have modded you up, had I the points).

    2. Re:Improperly utilized... by theflea · · Score: 1

      Really. When you call somebody, do you really expect to get them on the phone? I sure don't. What I do expect is five layers of monotone voicemail, and the recipient's skill at evading calls.

      Personally, I think e-mail creates more time for face-to-face, because trivial/menial communications can be easily batched.

      To me, the real tyrany comes from people who duck voicemails, and deny face-to-face conversations never happened. Or they misrepresent the real tone of a conversation. These people should be shot, honestly.

      With e-mail, the recipient can either act appropriately, or have their misdeeds archived forever. This cuts both ways, so the sender has to behave him/herself, too. I personally love seeing people get slammed because they ignore e-mail. Most PHB's know that "I didn't get the e-mail" is not an excuse.

    3. Re:Improperly utilized... by gblues · · Score: 1

      You're misunderstanding why they are requesting a call.

      Yes, your e-mail may be verbose and even quite thorough, but the technician on the other end may need to ask some probing questions. E-mail sucks for that type of discussion. It is almost always going to be more efficient to simply talk to you on the phone for 5-10 minutes and give you the answer(s) you need.

      The other issue may be that the information can only be given in verbal format. There is probably nothing deceitful about the information, but written communication can be legally liable. It's a CYA thing, unfortunately.

      Nathan

    4. Re:Improperly utilized... by adjuster · · Score: 1

      Yes, your e-mail may be verbose and even quite thorough, but the technician on the other end may need to ask some probing questions. E-mail sucks for that type of discussion. It is almost always going to be more efficient to simply talk to you on the phone for 5-10 minutes and give you the answer(s) you need.

      If not for the fact that I get stuck in voicemail-hell when calling third parties more often than not, I might buy this. I work outside my office, and while I carry a wireless phone, I don't consider it very courteous to my paying Customers to take phone calls "on their dime", and I don't care for the severe complication to time accouting that taking calls during a billable engagement creates.

      I wish I could say that history proves your point true, but normally it does not. Normally it's a third party that didn't understand my email or didn't even bother to read it who wants to speak verbally. Usually they demonstrate, very quickly, a lack of having read the message. I usually end up having to read my email aloud, and they make hurried responses that are not well thought-out. It's sad and silly, really. If my writing style were really all that poor, I could probably be led to believe that I'm just not making sense to the third party-- but I can't buy that, either.

      The other issue may be that the information can only be given in verbal format. There is probably nothing deceitful about the information, but written communication can be legally liable. It's a CYA thing, unfortunately.

      IANAL, obviously. I can't think of any type of information that would fit those critera. My initial reaction would be something like: "If you can't "go on record" to answer my questions, I'll recommend products from your competitor who does." (Since I recommend products and services based partially on "good support", and I consider well-handled email support to be "good support", I usually end up recommending products and services that do a good job handling email support requests.)

      I would agree that, in a time-sensitive situation, a verbal followup to an email may be necessary. Again, though, my personal history shows that third parties respond to email out of an irrational emotional attachment to verbal conversation and a lack of understanding of the advantages of written communication-- not out of desire to respond in a timely fashion.

      In the end, it really doesn't matter. Most people can't communicate to save their lives anyway... *smile*

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    5. Re:Improperly utilized... by simong_oz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is too technical to discuss in email, please call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx.

      PLEASE CALL ME?!? WTF? This is too technical? Perhaps they should answer more like: "I am far, far too stupid to respond to this in writing. My writing skills suck, and I don't communicate well but can at least manage to pull it off in a verbal conversation. Please call."


      I'm going to strongly disagree with you here, but I suspect that my perspective/background on this has more to do with it. E-mail has a place in the communications "toolbox", but I have frequently come across situations where it can be a right major pain in the ass. Almost all of these situations have come because someone is too lazy to come and see me face-to-face when I could have explained a concept to them in 5 minutes by drawing some diagrams - something I could never have done in 100 emails. And, most of these cases are highly technical, something I don't think email is particularly suited to. Of course, my "technical" may differ to yours.

      I'll be more specific - I did some amount of teaching (university) in mechanical engineering (all years). Ironically, one fo the things I taught was communication in engineering! It was quite frequent to get a student email me with a question about a lab, assignment, tutorial, etc. Often the explanations for this could be done in 5 minutes face-to-face where I could draw a graph/diagram, write out a long equation (something email is crap for - try writing out the equations for elastohydrodynamic lubrication in any kind of electronic format) and get the concept across. This would take 5 minutes of my time (and the student's time), whereas composing an email would take 30+.

      I also frequently get aksed my opinion (and ask opinions of others) on a problem that someone may be having with a (for example) problem with their numerical model. A 15 minute conversation can go through a whole host of problems, thoughts and (possible) answers; email would have taken 3+ hours and at least 15 replies, wasting both our time.

      Another situation where I think email has no place is for design brain-storming - you simply can't keep up with everyone's ideas and modifications and scratchings (drawings) over email. I'm talking about the kind of design brain storming you might do to solve a problem in mechanical engineering.

      Or maybe, "We are dishonest and will be lying to you about our product. We don't want you to have our lies documented. Please call."

      Sadly, the fact that the responses to this posting (the parent, not yours specifically) largely talk about blame and having to put things in writing, is a sad statement on the way society is headed - the I-can-get-some-money-so-I'm-gonna-sue mentality.

      Don't get me wrong - email has a place if used properly (I can instantly email results to someone so that when I come and talk to them tomorrow they have already seen them and will have more idea what I'm talking about, for example), but I think that many people underestimate the value of face-to-face communication and the humble paper-and-pen. Of course, this assumes that travel time is not a problem.

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    6. Re:Improperly utilized... by adjuster · · Score: 1

      And, most of these cases are highly technical, something I don't think email is particularly suited to. Of course, my "technical" may differ to yours.

      I'll be more specific - I did some amount of teaching (university) in mechanical engineering (all years). Ironically, one fo the things I taught was communication in engineering!

      I should be a bit more clear-- sorry! In no way would I want to convey conceptual information via email. I agree with you in that respect wholeheartedly. I've been teaching, myself, for several years, and I can think of no worse torture than trying to explain something that's highly conceptual via written communication only.

      Another situation where I think email has no place is for design brain-storming - you simply can't keep up with everyone's ideas and modifications and scratchings (drawings) over email. I'm talking about the kind of design brain storming you might do to solve a problem in mechanical engineering.

      Absolute agreement here. "Groupware" systems that encourage written or electronic interaction for brainstorming type tasks are sheer lunacy. It takes a special group of people to collaborate well on a design, let alone collaborate on a design via email.

      Mainly, the kinds of things I'm emailing are very mundane, but of a technical nature. Stuff like IP subnets, ports, VLAN's, version numbers, naming conventions, and ilk like that. Nothing conceptual, typically, and certainly not rocket science. Stuff that's nice to be exact and precise about.

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    7. Re:Improperly utilized... by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      Almost all of these situations have come because someone is too lazy to come and see me face-to-face when I could have explained a concept to them in 5 minutes by drawing some diagrams - something I could never have done in 100 emails.

      Attachment: diagram.bmp

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    8. Re:Improperly utilized... by MCZapf · · Score: 1
      Often the explanations for this could be done in 5 minutes face-to-face...

      Another thing I've noticed when composing emails, or web pages, or other "written" explanations of things, is that I often have to overexplain. The reason for this is that know I won't be getting any feedback on my explanation until it's done and sent out, so I'm not sure if my explanations are clear, or if I've missed a point, or if some side issues will arise, so I tend to try to cover all these things, and it takes time.

    9. Re:Improperly utilized... by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

      I agree that article is for people who can't read, can't write, and don't know how to turn off the pop-up reminder.

      >"I am far, far too stupid to respond to this in writing. My writing skills suck, and I don't communicate well...

      [Rant]
      Bravo to that. But please let's not leave out Reading Comprehension. Try this for an experiment, send out an email to all your end-users, clients, whoever, just get a longish list in the To: field. In this email discuss whatever may be appropriate. In the body of your email include 3 easy questions. Don't make them stand out in bold or anything. See how many people actually answer 1, 2 or all 3 questions?

      In my experience NO ONE will answer all 3 questions. 1 in a thousand maybe. Nor will they realize there were 3 questions to answer. If I want to get 3 questions answered in an email I have to blockquote and bulletpoint each one and be sure to make them short. Making them a different color helps as well. Even then it doesn't always work. It's like writing childrens' books.

      People can't frickin READ!!

      Even then, people who can sort of read are so SLOW. No wonder the TV Guide channel scrolls at 3 channels per minute.

      Even so it's still far better than the drivel you get over voicemail... "Hi how are you?, I'm just calling because,... but if that won't work maybe....[10 seconds of thinking out loud into the recording]. AAhaackkkk! STOP IT. Don't ask a recording how I am! Don't ramble for 45 seconds and then speed-mumble your phone number at the end.

      Send me an email instead.
      [/RANT]

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    10. Re:Improperly utilized... by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      But then you can't get high off the whiteboard markers! ;)

    11. Re:Improperly utilized... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh brother. Seriously I can't believe this kind of ignorant thought gets marked up.

      How arrogant can one be to honestly assume that everyone learns the same way you do? I for one can read a technical document 20 times and still want talk it over with someone. It's about preferences and learning styles. I am not a visual learner, so I have a harder time with email.

      What an ass.

    12. Re:Improperly utilized... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously I can't believe this kind of ignorant thought gets marked up.


      Arrogant, not ignorant, you idiot.


      He's not sending emails so other people can learn-- he's sending them so he can get his fucking job done.



    13. Re:Improperly utilized... by bshanks · · Score: 1

      > This is too technical to discuss in email,
      > please call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx.
      > PLEASE CALL ME?!? WTF? This is too technical?

      I am a student so perhaps my experience is different (and less) than yours, however, i find that it takes much longer to explain some things over email than it does face-to-face.

      My theory is that there is quicker feedback face-to-face. If you are not sure exactly how much the other person already understands, this can be ascertained in as little as half a minute. Worse, sometimes you don't even consider the possibility that the other person doesn't know something -- face-to-face, you usually find this out after about a minute even so.

      Finally, sometimes the direction the conversation will take branches frequently (as in many tech support conversations, where every few seconds there is a new question, and the rest of the conversation is totally different depending on each answer).

      All of these "quick-feedback" benefits would be hard to duplicate over email (if you tried, you would end up, at the least, having 50 one-sentence email exchanges with annoying things like "so, the basic idea of the ____ system is ____; do you understand that, or should i elaborate before moving on?"). The result is that people often forgo feedback altogether and try to write an email that takes account of all possible situations. Of course, this takes a lot longer.

      Hence, phone calls are much more efficient in some situations.

    14. Re:Improperly utilized... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not the same thing at all. In an email it becomes two separate pieces of information, a diagram and an explanation. In person it is unified, i.e. the diagram is drawn and explained at the same time.

      More important is the face to face interaction. As the idea is explained, the teacher can see what the student is getting and what they are missing and tailor the explanation accordingly.

      Face to face is a much more dynamic and efficient form of communication in many cases.

    15. Re:Improperly utilized... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've found that I often have many questions, most of which are fairly verbose, and that won't be answered with one-word answers."

      "Mainly, the kinds of things I'm emailing are very mundane, but of a technical nature. Stuff like IP subnets, ports, VLAN's, version numbers, naming conventions, and ilk like that"

      I'm sorry, but I don't follow you. You say your questions mostly can't be answered with one word answers, and then as an example you list a bunch of questions which are mostly one word answers.

      Your problem may be that you don't communicate effectively. Or maybe the people you are working with prefer a different form of communication.

    16. Re:Improperly utilized... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure why you view a phone conversation so offensively. The biggest advantage as has been mentioned in other posts is that you can pursue a single thread of discussion to an arbitrary depth at one go where it would have taken you about 5-6 email messages to sort out. Response time to an email message being theoretically unbounded :), what normally would take you about 20 minutes of conversation will take you about 2-3 hours depeneding on if you sent your email at about lunch hour.

      Of course a telephone conversation must be used judiciously with appropriate background information communicated via email and must be carried out only after both parties are aware of the situation at hand. If you are worried about not having documented records of your conversation you can always send an email summarizing what you had spoken about.

      Bottomline: All forms of communication have their relative merits and one can't possibly

    17. Re:Improperly utilized... by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      PLEASE CALL ME?!? WTF? This is too technical? Perhaps they should answer more like: "I am far, far too stupid to respond to this in writing. My writing skills suck, and I don't communicate well but can at least manage to pull it off in a verbal conversation. Please call." Or maybe, "We are dishonest and will be lying to you about our product. We don't want you to have our lies documented. Please call." And then there's also: "I look busier to my boss when I talk on the phone. If I just send you an email, I won't look busy. Please call." Yeesh.

      My honest opinion is that their reasoning is "With email you can read and respond at your convenience, but I am far more important than the other people you work with for whom that would be appropriate. You must suspend everything you are working on now to talk to me. You must earn the information I possess with an offering to my greatness, a sacrifice of your time, your train of thought, and whatever other thing you might be working on.

      Also, I think part of the problem is techies like you and me know how to communicate in email but other people don't. They aren't quite sure what email's for, thus the conclusion that "this is not a job for email."

      Sure, there are times when the phone is more appropriate than email. But less times than the average non-technical user thinks.

    18. Re:Improperly utilized... by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      I find the idea of something being too technical for e-mail quite funny. I explain complex concepts in two ways; in e-mail, or through the use of hand puppets. Really, hand puppets work great - they encourage you to think in really simple terms, and the person you're talking to, to relax. Admittadely, they generally work better if you're talking to friends, and definately not your boss, but its worth trying sometime.

      On a more serious note, I find e-mail allows me to collect my thoughts more coherently when sending, and gives me something I can refer to receiving, which is a lot more useful to me than a phone conversation.

  59. Re:Partial whoring of karma - part II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    s hair catches fire, copying everyone, and regret it later.
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    Second, email is a very relaxed medium, but observing some formality is important. Use an email client which spell checks. Use normal capitalization. Use correct grammar - complete sentences make email easier to read just like everything else. Don't use weird background colors and strange fonts. Don't append pictures of your dog. You get the picture... I've received emails from senior people which bordered on illiterate, with incorrect capitalization, grammar, incomplete sentences, etc. The impression is not positive.

    Third, email can be immediate, but don't hesitate to review and revise important emails. In many companies email has all but replaced paper memos. In many business situations email has replaced letters. When writing an email which has a wide distribution, or which affects a negotiation, or possible deal, or potential sale, take the time to write a draft, and reread it later. You can almost always improve the wording, make a point more concisely, or other otherwise improve the communication.

    Finally, remember that email is a public and permanent record. Email is plain text and goes out over public networks, and is often stored on servers for a long time and may be backed up for a longer time. It might feel "throwaway" at the time, but it will not be thrown away, as senior executives at Microsoft, Enron, Worldcom, and others have discovered. If you have something to say which won't bear the public light of day, it shouldn't be said in email. And if you are sending something confidential or sensitive, consider sending it as an encrypted and/or password-protected attachment.

    Okay, enough about email. Here's the six rules for avoiding email tyranny:

    Turn your email client off. Pick the moment at which you'll be interrupted.
    Never criticize anyone in email, and avoid technical debates. Use face-to-face meetings or 'phone calls instead.
    Be judicious in who you send email to, and who you copy on emails.
    Observing some formality is important.
    Don't hesitate to review and revise important emails.
    Remember that email is a public and permanent record.
    Got it? Cool. Thinking about email productivity led me to make some comments about productivity in general...

    The Three Hour Rule

    Programming is a right-brain activity. It is very conceptual and spatial and [gasp!] artistic. Effective programming requires that you transition from your body's normal "left brain" mode into a "right brain" zone. As I mentioned above, programming cannot be done in less than three-hour windows. Really. And in talking to friends in other fields, I'm convinced this applies to many other lines of work.

    When you're in a three-hour zone, you've spun up to speed, gathered your concentration, shifted into "right brain mode", and are focusing on a problem. You're being productive. There are four things which can interrupt you, and you have to watch out for all of them:

    Receiving email or 'phone calls.
    Personal contact with colleagues.
    Meetings.
    Warp-offs.
    Let's talk about each of these... First, emails or 'phone calls. Email we've talked about, this one is easy - just turn your email client off. Done. Most people receive far less 'phone calls than emails, so calls aren't nearly as much of a problem. The solution is the same - put your phone in "do not disturb" mode. Nowadays most everyone has a cell 'phone, leave that on, and if there is a genuine emergency your significant other or doctor or whomever will reach you there. Most calls to your desk are colleagues or customers; these are important, but as with email, you should pick the time to take them.

    Second, there is personal contact with colleagues. Most companies these days can't afford for everyone to have a private office, so it is pretty easy to get interrupted. (If you have an office, close the door!) Distractions include ambient noise, questions ("Hey, do you know how to invoke a framitz?"), and other interruptions ("Hey, you want to play foosball?"). These are really important (especially foosball), but they are interruptions, and they will mess up your three-hour window. Basically you want to isolate yourself from your colleagues, just like with email and 'phone calls. To deal with ambient noise, get yourself some really good headphones and play music. Cordless, if you want. For $100 you will have the best-sounding music you can imag

  60. The art of office email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Somewhat related, here's an article that appeared in Salon about a year ago of how some people use email for inter-office political positioning:

    http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/05/09 /c orporate_e_mail/

  61. apostrophe catastrophe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who convinced this guy that "Memo's" is the plural form of "memo"?

  62. the author forgot... by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    to advise against redundancy...

  63. Additional Tyranny by LittleGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Dreaded BCC.

    I've received E-mails which, on the surface, was sent just to me, only to have been BBC'd to my superiors. This is especially frustrating/embarassing when E-mail which I replied to is quoted and sent to and individual, who then reply to me with BBCs, so that my previous conversation goes out to parts unknown and is privied to who knows what, and I may have no clue who else is 'listening in'.

    I consider the use of BCCs to be sneaky and cowardly, but also as a part of the office culture, so yeah, those E_mails have a life unto their own that you might not know.

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    1. Re:Additional Tyranny by mav[LAG] · · Score: 3, Funny

      only to have been BBC'd to my superiors

      You mean like this ? Nope - my bad - that was to the Observer not the BBC...

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    2. Re:Additional Tyranny by superflippy · · Score: 1

      I actually find BCC's useful for letting someone know I've taken care of that thing they're bugging me about.

      Example: Husband asks, "Did you remember to put in your request for vacation time?" I email HR with the request and BCC my husband so that he knows I've taken care of it, and HR is not confused by seeing a CC to someone they've never heard of.

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  64. BRACES?!! We don't need no steenkin' braces! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real men don't use braces. Or degenerate Algol-derivative languages that use braces!

    1. Re:BRACES?!! We don't need no steenkin' braces! by sniser2 · · Score: 1
  65. 3 hour blocks by msheppard · · Score: 1

    Not every programmer needs a 3 hour block with no interruptions. I think having access to the internet is a FAR more distracting technology than email.

    I need BREAKS when I'm developing. I use those breaks to check email or (gasp) Slashdot, etc.

    M@

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  66. 3 Hour window? by Paladine97 · · Score: 1

    I liked the article except the assertion that programming must be done in three hour windows. I can jump right in and get down and dirty instantaneously. Is anyone else like me? I am left handed, so I guess my brain is always in 'the right side'! Go lefties!

    1. Re:3 Hour window? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only takes me about 10 minutes to spin up. Thank goodness for that, as I get interrupted every 30 minutes on average.

    2. Re:3 Hour window? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      It varies. Sometimes I can jump right in, and other times it takes awhile. But I don't think I've ever HAD an uninterrupted 3 hours!

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  67. The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You want to increase office productivity?

    It's really easy: Position everyone from CEO in his corner office through cube dweller to mail clerk on his mailbench so that their computer monitors -- what they are currently "working on" -- is viewable by anyone walking casually nearby. Give 'em all big 25" monitors as well.
    Anticipated increase: 35%

    At the end of each month, have IT run and post a report with every employee's name and the amount of time he spent parked on what particular web sites.
    Anticipated Increase: 60%

    E-mail, schmee-mail. You want to increase productivity, you restrict web access. Many, many office workers today do not even NEED Web access of ANY kind while on the job. Give these guys an e-mail reading client with word processor capabilitiy. Add a spreadsheet for the Accountants.
    Anticipated Increase: 75%

    Happy to Help!

    1. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Forkenhoppen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your first suggestion is a good idea, although it can be taken too far. I once worked in an office that was completely open-concept like that. The desks were U shaped, and you sat in the convex side of the U. The other side was like a right-angled V, meant to go up against a cubicle wall, so you got your own corner.

      Well, the management was strictly anti-cubicle, so instead of having a cubicle wall on either side of the monitor, they put the right angles together and put the computers on the inside corners of this little construction. I got to face my fellow employees on either sides. Every bloody hour of the day.

      You have no idea how distracting this can be. Especially when one of them keeps a different schedule, so while you're deep in code, they're programming. Or taking company time to talk to their signifigant other on MSN, and laughing at their replies. And the other scowls, and yells to people behind him without turning his head. And the one across from you, behind yours and his monitor, which you can see over both of, bobs his head to his music that he's listening to on headphones.

      I have no doubt that I posed as much of a distraction to them as they did to me. (If not moreso.) 'Cause I had action figures... :D

    2. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by MourningBlade · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Position everyone from CEO in his corner office through cube dweller to mail clerk on his mailbench so that their computer monitors -- what they are currently "working on" -- is viewable by anyone walking casually nearby.

      Actually, I see this as lowing productivity. However productivity-leeching playing around is, what's even worse is the "hey, what's that you're doing" syndrome that happens all the time when your stuff is visible to everyone else.

      Also bad is the "hey, why aren't you working on my project?" syndrome. Closely related to the also-problematic "I walked by and he wasn't working on your problem" syndrome. When someone doesn't know what you're working on, they at least have to ask you or come into your workspace, requiring more effort and also allowing you to say your peace.

      Not much worse than having to convince people 5-10 times a day that what you're working on is necessary (especially if what you're working on is indirectly needed to work on what they want you to work on).

      Another big problem is when you're checking out help sites or online documentation sites, or looking for a special program, and it looks like play to other people (many sites don't look all that professional, and on top of that many people are innately suspicious that others do not do near the amount of work they do).

      However distracting websites can be, people can harm productivity much worse.

      At the end of each month, have IT run and post a report with every employee's name and the amount of time he spent parked on what particular web sites.

      This could be a good idea. You have to watch out for what sort of political climate it can foster, though.

      On a side note, there is a plugin for the jabberd Jabber server that collects statistics about who uses Jabber, how much, and to whom they speak and optionally posts the info on a web page. Similar theory.

      You want to increase productivity, you restrict web access.

      Enh. Often times this does more harm than good. First off, this can be solved by your previous suggestion of posting who spends time at what sites (social pressure with a technological implementation). If you remove web access, people are just as likely to spend a bunch of time at the water cooler or wandering around, and there is no way to track that without serious effort on the part of management or a crippling rat-on-your-neighbor support policy.

      People are going to "take breaks." and some people are better about their time than others. I've met people who can stay on AIM all day and still get a lot of work done. I've met many more sysadmins and programmers who can hang out on IRC all day and still get a lot of work done. I've met still more secretaries who can leave their email app open all the time and still get a shocking amount of work done (there are some really good secretaries/personal assistants out there, though there are quite a few useless ones as well).

      In short, removing distractions doesn't help all that much unless it is followed up by enforcement of work habits. That's not all that efficient when you could've just enforced the work habits to begin with, and even that is not all that effective when compared to a system where if you don't get your work done, you get fired.

      (note: there are many variances on this system. Quality circles to peer mentoring. I'm talking about a system, not an implementation of the "no work, get fired" policy)

    3. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Employee morale is an important component of office productivity.

      How high do you think morale is going to be once you install the closed-circuit cameras to spy on them all day and replace their powerful web-enabled computers with Brother P-Touch label makers???

    4. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Kallahar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't believe this got modded up as interesting. When you blatantly say that you don't trust your employees, work quality goes downhill. When you give them zero personal time, morale goes down.

      There's a LOT more to running a successful business than how much "work" gets done. In a real business you have to worry about morale, relationships, burnout, and of course employee retention. A good company is the one that realizes that you rate the employees not on the percent of time they're at their desks, but on how they complete their projects. If reading slashdot twice a day gives me a slight release, it'll make me a happier and more productive employee. But if I'm forced to look at code all day and have nothing else to take a break with, my brain would melt and I'd be useless.

      Travis

    5. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by samael · · Score: 1

      You know, I can just as easily stare out of the window, get lost in thought, chat to my workmates, use notepad to write haiku, etc, etc.

      If you want people to work, give them engaging work, make sure they have timescales and then hold them to them, with oversight to ensure they are getting the work done.

      As long as they get the work done, who cares what else they get up to?

    6. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Position all desks so management can see monitors.
      2. Fire the least productive.
      3. Take their staplers.
      4. ???
      5. Profit!

    7. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      This is your boss. Please quit posting to slashdot and get back to work.

    8. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Forkenhoppen · · Score: 1

      Dangit, I meant the desks were concave. Hopefully that came through by the description of it being a U shape..

      Ph33r my Big-O action figures! *clunk* *clunk*.. *smash!* Whee! Oh no, look out, it's an Eva unit... *badda badda badda bup badabada badda badda badda bup badabada..* No, not with the knife, mister Eva.. *slash!* >:D

    9. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great idea, if you don't care about your employees and don't want to retain them for a long period of time. Bad idea if you're in the tech business, because employee retention is critical to long term success. Most tech employers don't seem to understand this though.

      I need a certain amount of daily coast time. Like now for instance, when I let my tasks sink into my subconscious and just take a little break. People work most effectively when they are comfortable, relaxed and at ease.

      If you don't trust an employee then either that employee is a problem or you are a problem. If you don't trust any of your employees then *you* are definitely the problem.

    10. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by sbszine · · Score: 1

      Disabling web access for programmers at work might have the interesting side effect of increasing the productivity of unpaid OSS projects.

      Sure they're not reading slashdot in the 9 to 5, but now your programmers might be debugging the GIMP on company time : )

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    11. Re:The Truth That Dare Not Speak Its Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez. And all I have at work is a plush kittycat. *meow meow!*

  68. Email vs what? by MartinG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article fails to address one important question IMO.

    The fact is that for some people, being contactable is absolutely essensial throughout the working day. Personally, I find myself constantly being asked technical questions about a very wide range of subjects as well as having my own work to do. I have to have give answers at some point or others get no work done. If people want to know how to contact me, I have to tell them something!

    By default the majority just pick up the phone and call me. This is an absolute disaster when I am in the middle of debugging some complex problem.

    Most of the time now when someone phones with a technical question I ask them if they can send me an email about it. After hearing this several times they usually get the message and stop calling at all in favour of sending emails. This has improved my ability to work no end. I now check and answer emails in batches whenever I have a convenient breaking point.

    Email has substantially reduced breaks in my concentration. Exactly the opposite of what the author finds.

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    1. Re:Email vs what? by gallen1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      By default the majority just pick up the phone and call me. This is an absolute disaster when I am in the middle of debugging some complex problem.

      This creates the same sort of problem the author describes where incoming email interrupts work flow. I think the solution here is the same: Don't answer the phone. I keep my email client up all the time but that doesn't mean I have an obligation to jump over and answer an email whenever it arrives. I tab over to the email client every once in a while to see if something has arrived. The same applies to the phone. If I'm in the middle of something the ring becomes a request for my attention, not a demand.

    2. Re:Email vs what? by deblau · · Score: 1
      By default the majority just pick up the phone and call me. This is an absolute disaster when I am in the middle of debugging some complex problem.

      [engaging soapbox trolling mode]

      This is precisely the reason why companies who actually care about such things should deploy a solid development -- testing -- operations infrastructure, with each component black-boxed. If operations has to call a developer, it means that there was a breakdown in both development and QA. Operations should file the bug ticket that QA should have filed, and a phone call may be necessary if the situation is critical.

      On the flip side, in no event should operations or QA ever touch code. Yes, you heard me. QA shouldn't touch code. If they find a bug, I don't expect my QA guy to dig into the code, that's not what I look for when I hire for QA. I look for someone who knows how to break things, not someone who knows how to fix things in a specific language / build environment, although there is generally substantial overlap.

      Operations, OTOH, shouldn't even really see code, if at all possible. It's not operations' problem if your code doesn't install or upgrade cleanly, they've got better things to worry about (like bringing in $$ and keeping customers happy). Same goes for QA; in fact, one of the first things any good QA tester will do is insist on clean upgrades so they don't ever test stale code (this is easy with CVS). With this system in place, developers can hack and debug with abandon, as long as they allocate at least some time during the day to check their downstream bug reports.

      [/troll]

      Of course, it's a painful elaboration of the obvious to point out that most small businesses don't do any of the above. Instead of trolling about business processes, I'll let you draw your own conclusions about why this is the case.

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      This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
    3. Re:Email vs what? by ebh · · Score: 1
      Most of the time now when someone phones with a technical question I ask them if they can send me an email about it. After hearing this several times they usually get the message and stop calling at all in favour of sending emails.

      For all the reasons people have talked about here (especially audit trails), I much prefer email versus the phone. Also try spelling weird things over the phone. "That's S-M-S-I_underscore--" "Eff en eff--" "No, S as in Sam, M as in Mary..."

      But the above backfired on me at one job. People kept calling with things better handled via email, and I kept asking them to send email so they did:

      To: ebh
      From: luser
      Subject: (no subject)

      pls call

      And don't get me started on pls.

    4. Re:Email vs what? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whether I answer the phone or not, the ringing breaks my concentration far worse than any quick pop-up & ding from my email ever could!

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    5. Re:Email vs what? by concept14 · · Score: 1

      Most of the time now when someone phones with a technical question I ask them if they can send me an email about it. After hearing this several times they usually get the message and stop calling at all in favour of sending emails. This has improved my ability to work no end. I now check and answer emails in batches whenever I have a convenient breaking point.
      Email has substantially reduced breaks in my concentration. Exactly the opposite of what the author finds.


      Read the essay again -- you are using email exactly the way the author recommends, in batches.

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      Quis metamoderunt ipses metamoderatores?
    6. Re:Email vs what? by Malvolio · · Score: 1

      Then turn the ring volume down, so that it will be easier to ignore. DeMarco and Lister recommend doing exactly that in their excellent book Peopleware, where they talk a lot about avoiding disturbances and getting into the "zone".

  69. Busy? by handybundler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Gives people time to get back to you when they are able to, not when they have to. Allows time for an idea to be digested. At times making responses to ideas more favorable instead of needing a forced reply instantly over the phone or across the desk.

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  70. Whooo! HEY! Play "Freebird"! by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Don't forget "Tyranny and Mutation"!

    I just love how slashdot's URL display just totally trashes any attempt at decent formatting!

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  71. Ignorability of e-mail by DarkGamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, they are unproductive but e-mails are also a far less effective method of communicating. Don't get me wrong, I love e-mail for what it can do, however e-mails are by nature very ignorable as illustrated in the article.

    I have been lately searching for a job... at first online exclusively via sites like monster.com & craigslist.org-- I sent and sent and sent and resumes and letters, only didn't get any replies for months. Eventually I got discouraged and decided to try one of those job fairs, though I thought I was being blown off (thanks, nothing at this time we'll call you if anything...) I got immediate results.

    I think I can attribute this to several things inherent with e-mail:

    1) Effort
    Sending out an e-mail can take very little time or commitment, so deleting one follows suit. Spam has trained us well.

    2) Quantity
    Any online correspondence of this nature will attract many more applicants than other methods. While this seems good for employers, it devalues each application further. Not absolutely perfect experience? *delete* This method is unfortunate because often there is a lot more to being able to fit into a working environment than prior history. Sure you know your field, but what good is an employee that's so annoying they can't work in teams with co-workers? That's the sort of thing you can only discern in person.

    3) the Human Element
    When you meet someone face to face there is a lot more sway in the interaction, you give a real physical person more respect and empathy than you do a page of text. Just look at some of the troll posts you are all familiar with for proof of this phenomenon. I highly doubt Anonymous Cowards ever insult or smack people down IRL as I have seen them do on message boards.

    4) the Squeaky Wheel
    When you have the benefits of #3 you have a lot more slack given to you, and it is much easier to retain a presence when you correspond via phone or in person simply because you cannot be ignored until convenient.

  72. Email Culture Alternatives by SnowDog_2112 · · Score: 1

    Given all the possible problems with an email culture, it is still vastly superior to any alternative I can come up with.

    I can choose to ignore a new email. In fact, my taskbar shows that I have new mail _right now_ but I'm typing this instead. Wow!

    I cannot choose to ignore somebody walking into my cube and yapping away. I cannot choose to ignore the phone (well, I could take it off the hook, or silence the ringer).

    On the other hand, I can easily read the subject of an email and know right away if it's something I can read in an hour, or if it's something I need to answer right away. Try that with a phone call or visit.

    I can't tell you how angry it makes me when I get a phone call or a visit. I'd rather have the person in the next cube send me an email than holler over the wall. I know some people prefer face-to-face ... that's fine. But send me a meeting request via email, don't just drop by. Let me manage my distractions, instead of vice-versa.

    And, as many others have already said -- email provides a permanent record of things. I can't count the number of times I've left a meeting, typed up (or received) a summary for distribution to everyone, and had someone reply to the mail with a misunderstanding. Especially in an environment where not everyone speaks the same language at the same skill level, having the chance to clarify every detail in writing is invaluable.

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  73. But what happens.... by Asprin · · Score: 1


    ...when good email goes StrongBad?

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    "Lawyers are for sucks."
    - Doug McKenzie
  74. Low Impact Waste by TrailerTrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many /. readers may not remember the days before email in the workplace (heck, many /. readers may not yet be in the workplace).

    Did everyone have face to face conversations, relationships were built, understanding blossomed, conflicts avoided, before email came along and sentenced us to digital solitary confinement?

    No.

    People wrote memos. Know what "cc" means on the email you send? Carbon Copy, from the old typewriter and carbon paper days. Memos were typed by secretaries (who inevitably had stained hands from the carbon paper), and sent via interoffice mail to the recipient, or slipped onto chairs or under doors late at night if particularly conflict laden.

    Discussions were drawn out over weeks instead of hours, with each memo salvo taking a day or two.

    Email doesn't allow us to avoid our co-workers - trust me, that that invented long before digital anything. It just gives us a lower environmental impact way of doing it.

    Does email provide us with interruption time shifting, as the article suggests? Yes, but so does going through one's paper "in-bin".

    Nothing new, just faster, more efficient, lower cost, lower impact time wasting.

  75. eMail is a distraction? What about stupid IMs? by L0stb0Y · · Score: 1

    'Productive' email seems to come in waves~ and then disappear for a while...not taking into consideration spam, only about 10% of my email is relevant at any time.

    As far as the interruptions go, instant message progs like YIM and AIM are even worse. ESPECIALLY since about 97% of all IM convo is pure tripe.

    Doesn't this boil down to a much simpler view, that of only about 5%~10% of the PEOPLE you encounter in your day are 'relevant? The email, IMs, etc are just a new way for PEOPLE to distract you. Hell, in our office, if we don't check the email every 10 min or so, our business contacts will call on the phone, just to check if we got their email (waisting even more time, as you now have to talk on the phone AND check the email)~

    LosT

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    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams."
  76. Depends on what the email is (duh!) by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In an engineering environment like mine, the conversations carried out via email are frequently technical, and commonly have diagrams and URLs pasted into them. That's hard to duplicate on the telephone.

    It creates a paper trail so we can later go back and follow the thought processes that led to either the award winning design that saved the world, or the "oops" that irradiated Canada.

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    --- Ban humanity.
  77. If this struck a chord... by UpLateDrinkingCoffee · · Score: 2, Informative
    Steve Maguire wrote an excellent book called "Debugging the Development Process" (Don't let the fact that it's from Microsoft Press sway you) There are some very un-XP type concepts, specifically I think he offers advice to *not* refactor code which might explain the size of the Windows code base. Anyway, his ideas on clearing the path for developers and letting them get into the zone are right on.

    Now, if only I could keep from checking slashdot every hour, I would be all set!

  78. Tyranny of passers by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    OK, I'm posting as an AC because I don't know whether this guy is a /. reader (although I suspect not).

    Want to know what really saps my productivity?

    wandering coworker walks past my office, looks over shoulder, notices me, comes into my office
    wandering coworker: What's new?

    Me: Not much. Working on a project right now.

    wandering coworker: So the kids were out of the house last night

    Me: Sounds nice.

    wandering coworker: and me and the missus got to have some play time

    Me: Good for you. I have to get this thing out today.

    wandering coworker: She was much appreciative. launch into lengthy metaphoric description of sexual activity

    Me: Well, I need to get this done.

    wandering coworker: I know what you mean. I was working on launch into lengthy description of bugs created and fixed

    Me: Wow. Sounds like it was a pain. Glad it's fixed

    wandering coworker: In other news, my son/daughter/brother-in-law/sister-in-law/neighbor /friend/friend's neighbor/Elks Club brother/mother/mother-in-law/father's son's uncle's newphew's cousin's former roommate is having (lengthy description of problem).

    Me: Wow, that must be hard. I really have to get back to...

    wandering coworker: Did you see (TV show/movie)? launch into description which takes nearly as long as watching the thing

    Me: I really need to get this done. Can we do this later?

    wandering coworker: miffed Fine.

    I now endure a week to a month of said individual refusing to communicate with me even about work matters. Bleah.

  79. Ooh ooh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got my pet peve about e-mail:

    These people what say: Hey can you e-mail me blah because I don't know you well and don't want you to have my phone number (this is true for universities in the states). Then they never ever send you something saying it actually went through. I also realy love these people that oNLY respond to e-mail or only respond to the telephone.

  80. Wearing headphones doesn't help! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like the author needs to brush off his copy of Peopleware. Wearing headphones in a cubicle blocks out the interruptions, but doesn't make you a more effective worker.

    The test: two groups of programmers are given a convoluted mathematical problem and are tasked to write a program that solves it. One group works in silence. The other gets tunes to listen to.

    The trick: the problem is actually an identity function; the output is just the input.

    The results:Nearly everyone wrote a working program. But more people in the silence group discovered it was an identity function and came threw with a one-liner.

    Conclusion? Apparently some part of your brain is active when you've got background music on, and is otherwise unavailable for those creative insights, bouts of genius, or other epiphanies. If you work in a cube, it's time to revolt!

    1. Re:Wearing headphones doesn't help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps the people in the silent group were more intuitive than the people in music group OR the silent group had better team dynamics, etc. You cannot draw any useful information from that nonsense.

    2. Re:Wearing headphones doesn't help! by inerte · · Score: 1

      That's all good and true, but some people like me don't have a cubicle, and this is good like you might think.

      I have two other programmers on my team, and we keep the ambient silent most of the time. But our office is small enough for us to listen to phone rings, cars crossing the streets, door bell/knocking, doors closing, and conversation, etc.. A phone helps in these situations. They might draw the attention of my brain from certain pats, but surely they block a lot of other, much more inconvenient.

      Anyway, just ranting :)

    3. Re:Wearing headphones doesn't help! by PhilipMatarese · · Score: 1

      I have big headphones that I wear without music on. No distractions from music, and no distractions from co-workers (who think I'm listening to music). This also works if I don't want to be bothered on the subway.

      Only problem is when you are caught not plugging the headphones in.

    4. Re:Wearing headphones doesn't help! by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 1

      The test: two groups of programmers are given a convoluted mathematical problem and are tasked to write a program that solves it. One group works in silence. The other gets tunes to listen to.

      The trick: the problem is actually an identity function; the output is just the input.

      The results:Nearly everyone wrote a working program. But more people in the silence group discovered it was an identity function and came threw with a one-liner.


      That's consistent with my experience. When I'm trying to solve a tricky problem, I need absolute silence. But that only accounts for 10% of what I do. I can write a parser, fix compile errors, hunt through documentation to find an API function definition, etc. while listening to music. The trick is knowing when to turn the music off and concentrate.

  81. "minimize their interrupts"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "less people are involved"?
    "less phone calls than emails"?

    No spell checker will catch those!

  82. reread anything of importance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "When writing an email which has a wide distribution, or which affects a negotiation, or possible deal, or potential sale, take the time to write a draft, and reread it later. You can almost always improve the wording, make a point more concisely, or other otherwise improve the communication.

    Is it me, or should he have reread his article before publishing it ;-)

  83. The Tyranny of Email by rodney+dill · · Score: 1

    First, never, ever, criticize someone in email. For reasons which I have never fully grasped, any negative emotion is always amplified by communication through email.

    It is very easy for communications to be misunderstood over email. I have had people accuse me of being flip, even when not intended, with email. And, I have experienced the same phenomenon. This partially due to people feel freer to express themselves without the potential of immediate confrontation. I have seen this in snail mail letters from relatives. Also without actually seeing the responses of the person i.e. body language you do not pick up all the communication nuances and what is intended as humor can seem snide.

    I have a particular bone to pick with support desks that utilize email instead of a live support person. It is extremely annoying to recieve a "have a nice" day or "Glad I could help" when nothing has been resolved. I have a particularly long two way email conversation with Sprint/PCS support that resolved nothing for me except to conclude the Sprint was hiring idiots. I will dig it up and post it if I can find it.

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    Use your head, can't you, use your head,
    You're on earth, there's no cure for that
    - S. Beckett
  84. Apostrophalypse by kahei · · Score: 1



    Look, I PERSONALLY VOLUNTEER to go round to your office and tell him about plurals. And about how common nouns are not capitalized in English.

    Or maybe I'll just send a memo.

    --
    Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
  85. +5 Insightful? by bighoov · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the parent says is "this article is not useful for me". If that's all it takes, here goes:

    I am an air traffic controller. I am required to answer planes as soon as they contact me. It is expected, that I stop hyperventilating from stress and answer the radio ASAP, in case the problem being reported is an emergency.

    And, being salaried, i don't get paid to work late nights and such (thank goodness, since I've already got an ulcer).

    Also, head phones aren't allowed in my office, because if a plane is about to crash it can make them feel ignored.

    So, great advise. Wish i could use. it.

  86. According to the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Spam is the best kind of email to get, because you look at it quickly, see that it's spam, and delete it.

    Do I have a deal for him. Several, actually. No, make that several thousand.

  87. Laaaaaaarsen! by TheMichette · · Score: 0

    meow!

  88. Re:Spot on (OT) by Stalemate · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has seen the current season of Survivor on CBS knows that the expression "Not exactly rocket science" just doesn't have the same effect anymore.

  89. Something I've... noticed by CoolGuySteve · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article mentions proper spelling and grammar in e-mails. I have another problem, the use of ellipses...people...seem to think...that... randomly placing ellipses...all over...their message...will somehow... absolve them...of punctuation... when all it really does...is annoy. Did they... pick it up...from Japanese...RPG games?

    What does that symbol even mean anymore? Like if one period means pause three periods must be really dramatic!

    Really, it's like "Man I don't know if a comma goes here, this elipse will fool everyone! I'm brilliant!" I'm not a grammar nazi or anything, I just hate reading IM/e-mails from people that do this. Even the damn article has some ellipses in it.

    So if you're one of those people who does this, please stop. For...the love... of god.

    1. Re:Something I've... noticed by Steve+B · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have another problem, the use of ellipses...people...seem to think...that... randomly placing ellipses...all over...their message...will somehow... absolve them...of punctuation... when all it really does...is annoy.

      I thought it meant that you were quoting William Shatner.

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      /. If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.
    2. Re:Something I've... noticed by wind · · Score: 1

      I agree, though I think that ellipsis does have its place. In some systems of transcription, ellipses are used to mark a pause of a certain length. That's how I generally use them - to indicate when I've just stopped and thought about something.

      This kind of use does something that might bother people, though, which is to use email as a surrogate for verbal communication rather than for written. Which raises a question - do people primarily think of email as a replacement for phone calls or a replacement for memos?

      For me, it depends on who I'm emailling and why. Sometimes I write memos or letters that happen to be email, other times I try to use written conventions (like ellipsis) to make the email sound more like the way I would speak - giving the recipient (hopefully!) some sense of my train of thought rather than editting heavily and only giving them a clean, finished product. I find this helps when I'm using email to hash out complicated ideas with people in the early stages the process - when an offhand thought may be important but we don't know it yet.

    3. Re:Something I've... noticed by Squonk01 · · Score: 1

      These same people tend to reply-all with "Thanks!" or "Me, too!"

      A solution I've seen work well in some communities is to reply by adding "Got it" or "Thanks" to the start of the subject line, and [EOF] or [NIM] at then end of the subject line. That way the recipient knows that they don't have to open the message because it's the End Of File or there's No Internal Message.

    4. Re:Something I've... noticed by LaMaia · · Score: 1

      AFAIK the only grammatically correct use of
      ellipses is to indicate a cut in a quote.

      For example, the original statement might be:
      "I never met a llama that was not absolutely fantastic and wonderful to be around or that I didn't like"

      and the edited quote might be
      "I never met a llama ... that I didn't like".

      Of course they could be abused:
      "I never met a llama that was ... wonderful..."

    5. Re:Something I've... noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am probably one of those people that you hate. I use ellipses to show a long pause for thought... possibly without any sort of resolution to that thought. I also thought that everyone else was aware of this use of ellipses... no?

  90. Just walk three feet over, you cretin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I scream every time I (thousands of miles away in a remote office) have to coordinate folks in HQ who can't simply lean around the cubicle wall and ask a freakin' question!

    Last time I was out there, I got private email from someone who was SITTING BEHIND ME! AAAARRRRRRGH!

    (OK, so she turned out to be a stalker, but you get the idea...)

    1. Re:Just walk three feet over, you cretin! by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      (OK, so she turned out to be a stalker, but you get the idea...)

      BZZZT! LIEEE!! This gave you away dude.... A slashdotter doesn't get so much as a talker, much less a stalker ;)

    2. Re:Just walk three feet over, you cretin! by OneEyedApe · · Score: 1

      If you stop and think about it, a stalker would be more likely that a talker. From what I understand of the matter, a stalker is usually not quite right in the head. This could be a case where the stalker had serious mental problems.

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      Life sucks, but death doesn't put out at all....
      --Thomas J. Kopp
    3. Re:Just walk three feet over, you cretin! by Stackis · · Score: 1

      You must understand that walking over and talking to someone is more disturbing to others in earshot, than just sending an email...

      --

      "Look where we worship" -- Jim Morrison
  91. What is the point of this? by wobblie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't see a point to this article at all. Leaving my email client open lets people decide when they want to talk to me? Huh?

    Turn your email client off? Are you kidding? Doesn't this guy realize that not all of us can use mutt or kmail or whatever at work, we're forced to use Outlook, which takes eons to startup, and even longer - oddly enough - to shut off (a feat only MS programmers could accomplish I think).

    Nothing, I mean nothing breaks one's concentration like a fucking constantly ringing telephone, and having to log into voice mail and constantly check the messages that were left while you were talking on the phone. Or what about when you're trying to talk to someone about something important, but they're on the goddamn phone yapping and won't get off, because it lets them feel superior to you to make you wait to talk, and the phone is always more important than a face to face conversation. Telephones are the problem, I would gladly work without them at all.

  92. Bad communication is the problem, not e-mail by lostboy2 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I agree with the article that one needs an uninterrupted block of time to do the best programming. In my experience, though, it's not e-mail or !e-mail that causes the problems. It's bad communication.

    IMHO, e-mail is a great way to communicate information
    • when no immediate response (if any) is required
    • when you need to give multiple people the same information
    • to keep a record/reminder of the information (such as when warning about an impending event, like scheduled downtime, etc.)
    Unfortunately, in my experience, people rarely consider which is the best way to communicate. As a result, the wrong medium often is used.

    Case in point: people where I work have not developed good communication patterns. A lot of information is passed face-to-face, one person at a time. As a result,
    • I frequently am interrupted while trying to program to be told something that is not urgent and requires no response or action on my part
    • different people get told different things, so rarely do people have the same information, and no one knows what the other people know
    • often, some people never get the information at all
    • a lot more time is wasted dealing with the consequences when a 1-minute e-mail could have saved a lot of bother
    • when I do send e-mail to my colleagues, it often is filtered into a folder and ignored/forgotten; often this results in me having to have a F2F conversation with someone to repeat the information anyway
    Similarly, in other places I've worked, meetings were wasted passing on information that could have been better served with e-mail, while critical information that should have been discussed in meetings wasn't.

    Anyway, I think it just boils down to that old adage: the right tool for the job.

  93. Slashdotted!! by garymedina · · Score: 0

    Ah, the tyranny of the slashdot effect!!!

  94. Heresy! by duck_prime · · Score: 2, Funny
    There is also One True Editor, One True Brace Style (for those languages which use them), One True Indentation Style, and One True Language (which potentially makes the One True Brace Style irrelevant). All naysayers will be shot.
    Infidel! The One True Indentation Style was declared anathema. The Other True Indentation Style is the Real True Indentation Style! You fools can hit % all day long and you'll never see your context line. Ha ha ha!
  95. Our Company Email is Out Of Control by KaiserSoze · · Score: 1

    We cannot do anything in my company without an email being sent out. Most recently, I wanted to move our build information to a web page so that people could go look at it when they needed the information, instead of being bombarded with no less than 10-15 emails for every build. Not only did they refuse the web page, they fought to keep the email. Their reasoning? "I would have to find the web page, it would not be delivered to my inbox." I'm at my wits end here. Every process our division creates generates a new flood of email to add to the old. That's not including the emails like "there's a box of crap to eat in the second floor breakroom!" or "XXX had a baby, congrats!". I went on vacation over the holidays, and when I got back I had well over a 1000 emails to deal with. That doesn't include any spam, since most is filtered at the exchange server level (thank you IT, for doing whatever it is you do). The problem now at the company, your legitimate 1-to-1 email asking "hey, did you get my voice mail I sent 2 days ago about bug X? Did you look into it yet?" is lost in the avalanche of "Build XYW has started processing", "Build XYZ has finished processing", "Build XYZ is being tested", etc. It is starting to become a problem.

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    "What we elect to call imagination is mere combination of things not heretofore combined." - Frank Norris

    1. Re:Our Company Email is Out Of Control by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 1

      Hint: learn how to filter things into folders. Barrage of process information all goes into their own places. Important mail goes into the inbox. Problems solved.

  96. My Sign by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
    I have a sign, that I hang over my chair when busy concentrating on a bit of coding.

    The text?

    FUCK OFF, I'M BUSY!

    It saves me having to tell co-workers to fuck off personally, since that has occasionally resulted in having to have a stand-up row with some arse of a manager 'cause I upset one of his precious staff.

    The corollary? When the sign's not up, people know I'm approachable. Can't say fairer than that, can I?

    --
    oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
    1. Re:My Sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should'nt be a sign - it should be a laquered plaque with embossed letters in red on a field of black, fixed permanently to a load-bearing member of the building and signed in blood!.

      There - I feel better now.

  97. The tyranny of Slashdot by artemis67 · · Score: 1

    Gotta be able to load it, first...

  98. Re:Email Culture Alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I cannot choose to ignore somebody walking into my > cube and yapping away. I cannot choose to ignore > the phone (well, I could take it off the hook, or > silence the ringer). Actually you can if the idiot is just a coworker and therefore your equal. Granted, it's a bit rude, but it's unforgivably rude to break another person's concentration. Doesn't matter if the other guy's a programmer or a surgeon; don't fuck with him when he's working. I ignore my equals all the time, and I made it clear to my boss that I think it's more important for me to get work done than for me to chat with coworkers.

  99. More like the Tyranny of Slashdot. by bplipschitz · · Score: 0

    Nailed already.

  100. Urgency is in the eye of the beholder by Ashtead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Like the author of the article and several of the others posting here, I am also mostly doing development, which is not amenable to interruptions. I think I can get into the fabled Zone somewhat sooner than the stated minimum of 3 hours, but this is not a major point.

    The interruptions are the problem. Whether these are phone calls or E-mail-notifications or people visiting.

    Or when people call on the phone because they want to know if I have received their E-mails...

    The problem seems to be that a lot of people think E-mails are something that is always to be replied to immediately, as if they were phone calls. I do not know why this is; ordinary paper-mail is certainly asynchronous, and any kind of written letter (paper or electronic) requires about the same amount of thought anyways.

    Time and time again, I tell them: I will read the E-mail and answer it when it is convenient to do so. Most of the time this seems to be grudgingly accepted; the exceptions are when the mail is about some bad system bug that demands immediate attention. And some people never seem to be able to understand why they have to wait more than 10 minutes for a reply. Must be their jobs that have all this urgency; well, I've got deadlines as well so we will have to live with it! Besides, I have to think of an answer.

    Otherwise, while in bug-fixing mode, phone, E-mails, and face-to-face meetings have all their good and bad points. Phone conversations are great for getting error information from the user, most of them can read off a dialog box, and I can tell them to click this and that and immediate evaluate responses. When it comes to correcting them by having to edit some configuration data however, phone is terrible. Imagine trying to dictate URLs or code full of important punctuation-marks and hope to get it right ...

    And here is exactly where E-mail excels. I can type up the correct texts in the mail itself or in an attached file, and tell the recipients exactly where to put them for things to start working again. But doing the active troubleshooting (in the style of "try this ... hmm ... try that ... nope, how about you do this and then try ... ah! it crashed. OK can you read me the stack-trace... ") over E-mail is slow and cumbersome.

    E-mail also has the great advantage of persisting after the fact. I do not intend to, nor manage, to remember every little detail talked about on the phone, neither do the people at the other end of the line. Instead, when an E-mail from last month is lying around, this makes it easier to pick up the thread where we left it.

    Face-to-face meetings are most useful when evaluating features, testing, or simply for "showing the flag" to the customers. Makes them feel appreciated, and we all know what an asset satisfied customers are.

    --
    SIGBUS @ NO-07.308
    1. Re:Urgency is in the eye of the beholder by nautical9 · · Score: 1
      The problem seems to be that a lot of people think E-mails are something that is always to be replied to immediately, as if they were phone calls. I do not know why this is; ordinary paper-mail is certainly asynchronous, and any kind of written letter (paper or electronic) requires about the same amount of thought anyways.
      I used to agree completely - I didn't want to bother typing up any reply until I had completely any request or completely thought through the issue. What's the point?

      But I've been on the other end enough times that I've changed my mind. I hate sending an email asking someone to take a look into a bug or other problem, and not getting a response back for days. You're left thinking "did he get it?", "is he working on it?", "is he as concerned as I am?". This eventually leads to either more emails ("haven't heard from you, what's up") or to a more intrusive phone-call just to see if anything's happening on the other end. A simple "got your email, am looking into it" reply can go a LONG ways to calm the nerves at the other end.

      The original "return receipt" concept of email would actually help this without requiring any additional work, but most people feel it's too big-brotherly ("they just want to check how often I read my email").

      My policy now is that for any reply that may take more than 15 minutes from my end to get back to them with, I'll send a quick "got it" email - takes 10 seconds of my time, but avoids any nasty calls later.

    2. Re:Urgency is in the eye of the beholder by Ashtead · · Score: 1
      Good point. It reminds me of asynchronous RPCs.

      I have been trying to do that when the bug-fix or other reply would take too long. Once I discover I have mail that is.

      The problem is when they send the mail at 10 AM and I am not looking at the in-box until 3 PM.

      --
      SIGBUS @ NO-07.308
  101. Where I work by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

    no one does anything until it is in writing that they are on the hook for it. I would never expect anything I asked for verbally to be done.

    However, when I can resend an email that has a two week old date stamp on it and request when I can expect something completed, I get answers.

    And if I ever find out who took my stapler ...

    1. Re:Where I work by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I would never expect anything I asked for verbally to be done.

      Wow, you must *really* have relationship problems.

    2. Re:Where I work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People around here have a remarkable capacity to ignore everything that does not directly threaten their job. Strange.

    3. Re:Where I work by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      > I can resend an email that has a two week old date stamp on it and request when I can expect something completed

      Heh, that's my favorite tactic.

      Even if I talked to the guy on the phone and I could hear his brains rattling around as he (presumably) nodded his head in agreement, I always fire off an email that recaps what we talked about and what we agreed he would do.

      Then, a couple weeks later, I can browse through my box and remind myself who I talked to and when and forward it as a "friendly reminder" that I'm still waiting for an answer or something.

      I usually get the reply the same day "Oh, sorry - I didn't forget about you.. just we really got swamped last week. Here's what you wanted!"

      Yeah, whatever -- thanks.

      --

      There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
      Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.

  102. dont you understand!?! by claude_juan · · Score: 1

    the reason people use phone and email instead of walking to the next cubicle to talk to their coworkers is that it makes them look productive. or at least more productive than standing in someone's cubicle doorway. its all about image!

  103. Pavlov gone bad... by Gefiltefish11 · · Score: 5, Funny



    I've gotten into the bad habit of emailing with co-workers to arrange lunch gatherings...

    Now, unfortunately, every time time that little new email chime rings on my computer, I begin to drool uncontrollably!

  104. Long distance Software Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article has some good points, especially after reading the exchange of emails in the slashdot story from a few days back about the Linux kernel's scheduler.

    The kernel hackers, especially Linus, seemed very critical of one another and their ideas, but nobody seemed to get too offended. So, my question, for those of you who partake in long distance software development is: Does the lack of face-to-face communication hurt the software development process in large projects?

    On the other hand, it could improve productivity by increasing the number of, as the author puts it, "three-hour windows." But I'd imagine that working through technical problems in this way would be quite difficult.

  105. Left a job because of this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My take on this:
    If people don't have enough respect for you to deliver certain types of information, such as bad news to you, to your face, ie...your proposal wasn't accepted, you aren't getting the raise you asked for etc., they don't respect you or themselves.
    I left and found work elsewhere.

    It is all too easy to let email become a crutch for your inabilities to handle social situations that require, confronting not only a difficult situation, but also your own doubts in your abilities to handle the situation.
    Just my opinion.

  106. Record of what was said by sapped · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More importantly. Emails prove that you said what you said. On the phone there is no record and it's just you against the other guy and if the other guy is the boss or more senior then you usually lose. With an email in their face they don't stand a chance.

    I have successfully defended many a project decision by pulling out a critical email.

    1. Re:Record of what was said by nullard · · Score: 1

      I think that if the other guy is the boss you always lose. Even if you win, he may resent you for life. Even if you get them fired, others will resent you for shaking the boat, or fear you for having shaken their confidence in their job security. There is no way to win unless they are grosly incompetent or criminal. In almost all other circumstances, you will lose too, no matter how much e-mail you have saved up.

      --


      t'nera semordnilap
    2. Re:Record of what was said by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Archived email is excellent C.Y.A. material. (cover your ass)

      But you're probably right. Not good for offensive strikes.

      But saving your email proves that you know.
      And knowing is half the battle.

      --
      Nouvelles de jeux et technologies en français. TC
  107. I tried to read the article... by Innova · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but kept getting alerts from my email client.

  108. Just out of curiosity... by gnovos · · Score: 1

    Which is more productive: a) Allowing your empoyee to go online, pay a bill, and check thier ballance, all in about 5 minutes, or B) Have your employye take the entire afternoon off to navigate traffic, pay a bill, drive to the bank or ATM, check thier balance, then come back to work three hours later? It has been shown time and time again that internet use at the office actually INCREASES productivity in the long run, believe it or not.

    --
    "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
  109. Being salaried by pablo.cl · · Score: 1
    altp: And, being salaried, i don't get paid to work late nights and such

    qoncept: Being salaried, you are paid to work whenever you are needed.

    If you are salaried, then you have working hours. After them you should get extra pay. On the other time, being paid to work whenever you are needed, without extra compensation, is very similar to indentured servitude.

  110. One thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot the part about stealing their underpants.

  111. Phone them... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2, Funny
    instead to give them the complete URL.

    "T-Y-R, no, R, R like Raymond, A, like Ananas, N, no, not M, N like Nancy, ..."

    - Could you repeat, just to make sure I have it right?

    --
    Achille Talon
    Hop!
    1. Re:Phone them... by objekt · · Score: 1

      That won't work either if the site is slashdotted. :)

      --
      -- Boycott Shell
  112. Laziness by Inda · · Score: 1

    I feel for you. I'm in the same situation far too often; only I am normally forced to get up out of my chair and walk over to their desk to look at something on their screen because they still forget about 'Print Screen' after I've shown them umpteen times.

    The "I am far, far too stupid to respond to this in writing" part is true apart from I think that laziness has more to do with it. Most people, except me, have university degrees - it is not stupidity.

    "I am far, far too lazy to actually think about constructing sentences. I am also far too lazy to actually read all of your email even though it looks like it might of taken you five to ten minutes to write. I will send a fresh email, without your previous email threaded or attached, because I'm too lazy to change the options. I think I'll leave the subject header blank too and email you an attachment of a Word document that I haven't read either." - sums it up better for me.

    --
    This post contains benzene, nitrosamines, formaldehyde and hydrogen cyanide.
    1. Re:Laziness by adjuster · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same situation far too often; only I am normally forced to get up out of my chair and walk over to their desk to look at something on their screen because they still forget about 'Print Screen' after I've shown them umpteen times.

      Ahh! I remember being a full-time LAN administrator. I feel for you. It particularly frustrated me when "their screen" was in another office, miles away, and they'd already dismissed the error message w/o taking note of the content. (Argh!! Must... stop! Falling... into... rant about... error messages... Noooo!)

      Most people, except me, have university degrees - it is not stupidity.

      I can't buy that, though. A significant quantity of the people I deal with have substandard writing skills, and of them, a significant quantity also hold degrees. Good email composition comes from practice and frequent discourse. Repeatedly deferring to verbal conversations isn't going to help them get better, but they choose to defer to verbal communications because they aren't very good with email. A viscious cycle! I don't think collegiate programs teach the style of writing that's good for email, either.

      "I am far, far too lazy to actually think about constructing sentences. I am also far too lazy to actually read all of your email even though it looks like it might of taken you five to ten minutes to write..."

      There's very little that's more frustrating to me than putting in effort on a clear, readable, and well composed message, only to be deferred to verbal communication or graced with a simplistic and incomplete reply. At that point, I know that I'm not going to get answers to all (or even most) of my questions, and the answers I do get are going to be poorly thought out.

      --
      The Attitude Adjuster, I hate me, you can too.
  113. The word is email! by gorgon · · Score: 3, Funny
    I have seen a bunch of posts in this discussion using the word "e-mail". That word bugs the heck of me. That word is a sign of the struggle by the self-appointed guardians of the language to re-write English. Just because some English teachers and style guidline writers don't like the word "email", doesn't give them the right to change it. The "email" was around long before most of them ever heard of the internet, and I for one will not stand for the use of its hideous step brother "e-mail".

    Fight the power! Use "email".

    --

    And I'd be a Libertarian, if they weren't all a bunch of tax-dodging professional whiners.
    Berke Breathed
  114. Email Phone by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally, I strongly perfer email to the phone. Why?

    You can check your email when you're done with what you're in the middle of.

    You don't have to respond right away, you can find the correct and complete answer.

    Reduced accent errors. Ever work in a place with people from India, Pakistan, Taiwan, Germany, England, US, Vietnam, and the Phillipines? Sometimes it's hard to tell what everyone is saying even though it's all in English.

    It keeps a record. You don't need to remember exactly what the guy said, it's written down! Very handy for part numbers.

    You know who you're dealing with. "Hey, this is Mike..." on the phone is replaced with something like "Mike Smith -mike.smith@company.com-". You're not dealing with Mike Jones.

    Long, technical matters can be spelled out in detail. If a procedure on how to do something can be spelled out in words, it's more likely to be followed without errors than if it's orally passed over a half hour phone conversation.

    Cool down period. If you're getting upset and starting to argue, you can pause, cool down, and take care of it with a cool head isntead of ending up in a verbal flamefest.

    ---

    If you want something that breaks your concentration, it's not email, it's the phone and PA systems.

    --
    If you think education is expensive, you should try ignorance -- Derek Bok, president of Harvard
  115. in fact by eclectric · · Score: 1

    the original term was e-mail. However, "email" is the more correct term these days. English doesn't like hyphenated words, and they usually fall away. How long has it been since you read "to-day"?

    1. Re:in fact by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
      How long has it been since you read "to-day"?


      I think I read it yester-day.
      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  116. The Sad Part Is by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I will send 10 emails a day to the person in the cube right next to me. I just don't like to talk to the guy in person or the phone...He annoys me and he is lazy. Yet because we share certain physical resources (programmers) I have to keep a line of communication open. I only tend to verbally communicate with people I can stand. For as much as I HATE email in gerneral, this is one good thing about it.

    --
    (+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
  117. The First Couple Paragraphs by Flamesplash · · Score: 2, Informative
    FROM THE NOW /.ed LINK

    Email is one of the greatest things the computer revolution has done for personal productivity. Used improperly, it can alsohurt your productivity. This article discusses ways to use email effectively. Then it goes beyond that and talks about how to be productive, period.

    When Email Goes Bad

    I'm not going to list all the reasons email is good. You know them already, I assume you are an avid email user. (Anyone reading this is online, and just about anyone who goes online uses email.) I'm also not going to tell you email is evil, because it isn't.The negativeproductivity impact of email comes from the way you use it, not the medium itself.

    There are two ways email impairs your productivity:

    1. It breaks your concentration.
    2. It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.
    --
    "Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
  118. I WISH.... by Rary · · Score: 1
    Oh, I wish I could be interrupted with email.

    Unfortunately, one of our network guys knocked out the Exchange Server. I haven't had a single email all day, and man am I jonesin'!

    --

    "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein

  119. Logicially Handling Distractions via A.I. by multicom · · Score: 1

    Maybe more research needs to go into Eric Horvitz's idea "Models of Attention in Computing and Communication: From Principles to Applications" where the computer acts as a filter for this data in a more "human" manner.

  120. Oblig. Office Space ref by jofizz · · Score: 1

    Corporate Accounts, Nina Speaking. Just a moment...
    Corporate Accounts, Nina Speaking. Just a moment...
    Corporate Accounts, Nina Speaking. Just a moment...
    Corporate Accounts, Nina Speaking. Just a moment...
    Corporate Accounts, Nina Speaking. Just a moment...
    etc..... :)

    --
    There is no sig.
  121. Guilty by k_stamour · · Score: 1

    I am so guilty of this. What physiological reason for loving text hating voice? I mean, I havenâ(TM)t answered my phone in years. (egâ¦all telemarketers anyway)

    --
    Julius Caesar - Act I, Scene i: "What mean'st thou by that? Mend me, thou saucy fellow!"
  122. Check this out... by jn29098 · · Score: 1

    I just started a new job yesterday. Me and my colleagues sit right outside our boss's glass office, less than 10 feet from his door. Not only does he call them on the phone to talk, but he puts them on speaker phone to do it!

  123. Wearing headphones does help! by der_joachim · · Score: 1

    As a programmer in a small IT company, I often find that the comradely atmosphere actually hampers my work. Normally it is no big problem, but when I can really use no interruptions whatsoever, I put an audio CD in my cup holder and put on some headphones. The trick is to choose the right kind of music. Goth-Industrial will not increase concentration or productivity. Ambient will.

    Greetings,
    der Joachim

    --
    Geek runner, motorcyclist and professional know-it-all
  124. im trying to concentrate by sdibb · · Score: 2, Funny
    There are two ways email impairs your productivity:

    1. It breaks your concentration.
    2. It misleads you into inefficient problem solving.

    I have to agree -- its so hard to focus on my work, when I'm trying to concentrate, and I have an email notification take me away from what I'm doing. How am I supposed to get any work done when ... oh, wait a second, someone's calling me on the phone ... brb

  125. And avoid any "interesting" homepage by phamlen · · Score: 2, Funny

    As another timesaver/productivity enhancement, I strongly recommend choosing either a "blank" homepage for your browser or a static "non-interesting" page.

    I have Slashdot as my homepage and find that I stand a very strong chance of being distracted every time I open a new browser window!

    In fact, I'm supposed to be browsing our Javadoc to find the name of a function right now - but instead I got suckered by yet another slashdot headline... :)

    1. Re:And avoid any "interesting" homepage by Banjonardo · · Score: 1
      If you're using IE (Which you shouldn't!) I'd try "about:Get to work, dumbass."

      How do you leave little messages like that in Mozilla/Phoenix?

      --

      -----

      Score 3? For what? Being wrong, at length? - smirkleton

  126. Good old office email! by payndz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I get around it by being deliberately behind the curve with certain software. Everyone else in the office runs Eudora for email. I use Netscape 4.7. My ostensible reason is, "I have a lot of valuable contacts in my old mailbox that can't be transferred to Eudora because the file formats are different." The real reason is, "I can claim that Netscape's email functions don't give me an alert every time a new piece of mail comes in, so I'm not expected to drop what I'm doing whenever my computer beeps." And my bosses are either dumb or tech-unsavvy enough to believe me.

    I've been at my company over ten years, and had the same email account for about seven. No matter how many filters I put in, I get *shitloads* of spam every day. (Changing my email addy would be a nightmare because I get so many legit mails a day as well.) If I responded to emails immediately, as everyone else in the company has apparently been trained to, I would *never* get any work done. And since I'm in charge of my section, this could be a slight productivity problem. :)

    --
    You must think in Russian.
  127. Title should be...... by TheKubrix · · Score: 1

    The Tyranny of the Slashdot Effect

  128. about the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you email me a copy, thanks!

  129. With apologies to the author of Ecclesiastes... by Sodium+Attack · · Score: 1

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every medium of communication under heaven.
    A time to phone, and a time to voice mail.
    A time to IM, and a time to chat.
    A time to FTF, and a time to videoconference.
    A time to snail mail, and a time to email.
    A time to reply to sender, and a time to reply to all.
    A time to shout, and a time to be silent.

    --

    Never take moderation advice from sigs, including this one.

  130. taking it all too seriously by riqnevala · · Score: 1

    "3 hour window" - "right brain mode"

    Tiny little life-forms! Just keep the right brain mode going on all the day, never giving in for anything else. Who needs emotion anyways, when we got smileys? ;)

    while(!getting_any)sleep();

    --
    love slashdot. populate it. use it. abuse it. hate it. kill it. miss it. stop following links, they only kill servers.
  131. Office IMs by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think that IM in the office is an excellent alternative to phones when not used excessively. You don't annoy other people with the noise of your conversation, you can cut&paste, etc.

    But I work at a datacentre for a major bank and they are extremely touchy about software and (network stability and all that) so we don't get IMs at all. This morning I solved that problem by 'coding' and instant messenger that included history tracking using nothing but batch files, built-in-windows executables, using the windows "NET SEND" command. It works quite nicely and already saved me a bunch of time today getting information.

    So if you want the efficiency of IMs but none of the software, I suggest you use NET SEND. It caught on like today with a bunch of other people in my area.

    (Please, spare the jokes about using windows on a network when stability is critical. They're only dumb terminals used to launch xterms to access the mighty solaris server.)

  132. In my Office by seedybd · · Score: 1

    In my office the majority of people do not even like getting up to walk to a printer let alone having to walk to go see someone...
    My supervisor has on occasion instructed me to just call people when I insisit on walking the short distance to their desk.
    Email makes it even worse, the delivery people dont even walk to your area, they send out emails to every person who has something to collect and they just sit behind their desk and wait, gone are the days of mail being delivered to your desk in a large establishment.
    By far some of the laziest things i have seen occur when near the lift on the ground floor. I once saw a lady get into the lift here and by the time I had gotten to the first floor, the lift oppened and she walked out infront of me with a book and handbag.
    I bet some people wonder why they get obese working in an office, well offcourse they will when they dont move from a chair in 8 hours, except for lunch!

  133. Mirror of original article by lonnonf · · Score: 1

    With the Ole Eichhorn's permission, I've mirrored his article at the following URL:

    http://tribble.dreamhost.com/mirrors/030308-tyrann y_of_email.html

    If you are having a hard time getting to the article at Ole's server, please feel free to use this link instead. Thank you.

  134. damn emails....... by fragged+one · · Score: 0

    i use email to communicate with just about everyone. i happen to work for a cellular phone carrier, and get free phone service, but i only use about 80 minutes a month because of that bane, email.

    even at home, i use email to communicate with my roommate (who would be about 10 feet away from me in another room). im? no way, too convenient.

    i do not pay for a landline at home, and probably never will. if i leave my job, and lose my free phone svc, i will simply not have a phone. no need for one when i have a cable connection and email.

    i've even managed to pay most of my bills through email.

    sometimes i wonder if i really exist, or if i'm magnetic 1's and 0's on a platter.

    --
    if it wasn't for that horse, i wouldn't have spent that year in college.....
  135. How do you disable new mail taskbar notify? by GrendelAlex · · Score: 1

    MS Outlook pops a little yellow envelope everytime I receive a new email. There seems to be no way to turn this off short of closing the Outlook app. Anyone know a registry hack to fix this?

    1. Re:How do you disable new mail taskbar notify? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need for a registry hack when it can be disabled from settings, dimwit. At least in my Outlook 2000 at work, go to Tools -> Settings and on the first tab, click the Email settings button. Uncheck the notification box and ta-da, no popups any more.

    2. Re:How do you disable new mail taskbar notify? by GrendelAlex · · Score: 1

      Nice try Mr. Dumass -- that works for the popups and sounds, but that's not what I was asking about if you had read my posting. If you can figure it out for real, I'll promote you to Mr. Knotsodumass ;) - Alex

  136. Joelonsoftware's thoughts on email by mistered · · Score: 1
    I've become quite a fan of Joel Spolsky's writing. He's also got some good commentary on email and programmer productivity.

    Like the Tyranny of Email article, Getting Things Done When You're Only a Grunt also suggests that there's a significant productivity boost to be gained from shutting off your email client.

    Human Task Switches Considered Harmful and Where do These People Get Their (Unoriginal) Ideas? have more on this topic.

    Joel's archives have quite a number of interesting articles.

    --
    Enjoy your job, make lots of money, work within the law. Choose any two.
  137. 1990? by Richy_T · · Score: 1
    Surely uk.ac.lancs then.


    Rich

  138. woot woot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    turd flingin fun down at /. central! taco snotting to the max.

  139. One great reason for email by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    I skimmed the article, and did not read any of the comments, so this may have been already pointed out.

    I came down with bronchitis which morphed into pneumonia this past week. I wasn't really enthused to go into work to tell my managers and coworkers that "Hey! I got pneumonia, I won't be in for a while." So I called in the first 3 days. Then I lost my voice to the point were I would have to repeat about 1/3 of everything I said. This doesn't work very well, so I turned to email, where I could describe all the wacky medical terms without having to say them 15 times each.

    I know this is a very out-there situation, but today I had to call my wife at work (no email) and try and ask where the check book was because I had no cash left and I needed to see the doctor again. It took over 10 minutes for me to explain what I needed becuase my voice is so bad right now.

    (Just for fun, here has been my last week, starting March 4-
    Bronchitis & Fever > Bronchitis & Ear infection, no fever > Pneumonia & ear infection & chest pain > Pneumonia & ear infection & torn rib cartillege. Can't wait to see what tomorrow brings!)

    --
    Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  140. Re:Learn to write by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I want to get 3 questions answered in an email I have to blockquote and bulletpoint each one and be sure to make them short.

    Did it occur to you that this is actually a good way to write? Instead of stringing a bunch of related ideas together in a sentence, why not break them up into bullets? Why not take the time to just be concise?

    Oh wait, I forgot, you are all just too intelligent for the rest of us, we can't possibly comprehend the how your advanced mind works.

  141. Use that overtime as leverage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when you ask for a raise. That's what I do. That, and keep track of all the big jobs I do that make my boss (and the company that he owns) look good. I started at $28K, it's been almost 3 years and I now make $36K, with a raise to $40K on the horizon.

    Mind you, I work at a small shop.

  142. I know where to put your verbal learning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your "verbal learning" or whatever the fsck you call it will fit in very nicely with the gerbils living in Boy George's arsehole. I work with several women like you, and have to put up with being interrupted for a problem that could have *easily* explained with a paragraph or two of plain text and a JPEG screenshot that instead takes 30 minutes of my time and theirs. So, not only have I lost the state for the original job, which came directly from the top, but I now have to deal with losing state for the job that THE BITCH wasted half a fucking hour ranting about (instead of sending two paragraphs of text and a JPEG) because the NUMB CUNT found *another* problem that was caused by my boss' fumblefingered typing. Quite frankly, I don't give a flying fuck if you're a "visual learner" or not. My employer does not pay me to waste time talking over problems that could be quickly explained in writing; he pays me to belt out the cleanest, tightest code I can as quickly as possible.

  143. Why don't you give writing lessons to Jefferson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you think that Thomas Jefferson had to bother with bullets and blockquotes to tell King George III that he had royally pissed off the colonists and was going to get his ass kicked? No. People knew what he meant. As putting several questions into a single paragraph, what the blithering fuck is wrong with that?

    And yes, if we can pose several questions in one paragraph without having to resort to gimmicks like bullet points and blockquotes, then we are more intelligent than the rest of your poor fucking humans.

  144. Exactly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get my work done ahead of the deadline, ask if there's anything that needs to be done, and if there isn't I ssh into my home box and open the draft of my novel in vi and belt out a some text. I can always alt-tab back to VS if something comes up.

  145. Heavy Metal turns my productivity up to 11. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Goth-Industrial will not increase concentration
    > or productivity. Ambient will.

    Well, having never gotten into Ambient and no deeper into Goth than the Cure, Joy Division, and the Sisters of Mercy; I can't say that either is better. I find that Blue Oyster Cult on low volume helps. On the other hand, there are times when I'll listen to And Then There Was Silence by Blind Guardian (a 14 minute epic about the fall of Troy) over and over again while the code pours from my fingers. Find a groove and work with it.

    On the other hand, you might try Ayreon's Universal Migrator albums; The Dream Sequencer is nice background music.

  146. email vs .... by tqft · · Score: 1

    I think the biggest problem with email is that it is grossly inefficient for some forms of communication.

    I truly miss Lotus Notes - worked in an organisation where Notes was installed and was the interface for everything that it could be - including some mission critical stuff. This was before intra/inter stuff was really up to iy . This was looked at but the big tick for Notes was the security stuff - particularly its granularity.

    Technical (not just IT) discussions - problem specification, comments, links to references, cross categorized so appropriate people would see it. You could email a link to the discussion. even better IT worked with Registry people (this was an Oz government shop) so that the Notes databases were formally classified as "files". No more printing emails, file and folio numbering and sticking it in a file (eventually) to be lost in the archives. Keyword searching through accumulated wisdom (yes there was a fair bit in this gov shop).

    Now back in a (pure) MS shop. Public exchange folders suck so much people barely use them for anything. Emails do or dont get copied to you and people seem to think you know about their problem because they emailed your boss. I see him almost cry everytime he looks at his waiting email and meeting requests. Collected long-trained emails printed and filed. The IP value locked in the emails lost by people leaving and having their email deleted would NOT bankrupt our company if it was calculated properly, but the Board would freak.

    Point to point communication for email - yes. Secure communication maybe. Discussing/thrashing an issue/problem - no way.

    ps: slashcode unless it has granular security on the scetions would not cut it.

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  147. good to hear by edstromp · · Score: 1
    This is a good thing to hear. Email is always on while I am at work, and I often enjoy the distraction, but being reminded that that is what it is is good.

    What I'd like people to realize more is that cell-phones follow this same deal. Just because you _can_ contact me any time, doesn't mean I will reply or answer at any time.

  148. Re:I suppose the big question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fucktard noun. Contraction of the phrase fucking retard

  149. If he thinks E-mail is bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Then he must hate Instant Messenging

  150. Re:Why don't you give writing lessons to Jefferson by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

    Just for the record ^that wasn't me.

    But I liked it.

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  151. Ellipses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're used for trailing thoughts, for example, when you're leading someone on to a specific thought, but you want *them* to realize it.

    Such as:

    Hot grits and Natalie...

    Inserted mid-sentence, they can be used to imitate William Shatner.

    For example:

    Damn... Klingon bastards! They... killed my... son!

  152. I personally love email because with email.... by NecronomiconII · · Score: 1

    No one knows you're a chicken. A GIANT CHICKEN!!

  153. So minimize the window by billstewart · · Score: 1
    So Outlook is annoying to stop and start (which it is, especially if you need to look up phone numbers or calendar entries), or if you've got a laptop that you want to constantly download new mail when it arrives so you've got ready when you pick up the PC and leave, Just minimize the window.

    Assuming you've already turned off the "beep when mail arrives", it won't bother you when you don't want to be bothered, and it'll be right there when you want to switch to it, so your concentration isn't interrupted by waiting several minutes while Outlook starts and downloads all the new messages, including that 5MB Powerpoint tripe from Marketing. Alternatively, you can also leave Outlook showing your calendar, so not only will you get popups when you have calendar events, but it'll be easy to go look at them, and you won't be distracted by new stuff if you happen to page by that window.

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  154. Tyranny Revisited by ole9 · · Score: 1

    I'm the author of "Tyranny of Email".

    I received tremendous feedback in response to this article (thanks everyone!), and have posted a summary of the most interesting observations and comments as Tyranny Revisited, in case you are interested...

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  155. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 0

    When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for
    every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss
    is away and you get twice as much done.
    -- Daniel B. Luten

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