It would really help if the RPM packages tracked with what you get in a regular tarball. I've had too many cases where I installed an RPM, tried to configure it, and still not have it work...only to find that I got a lobotomized RPM package that didn't have everything, and I had to search for a second or third RPM that had the addon to the original RPM to let me do what I wanted. No thanks, I just download and compile the tarball and get everything I want first pass (including on where I want to put files).
I had similar problems with SUSE. All their multimedia packages were stripped out and broken. The only option I could find was to build from source but that broke a ton of shit.
Thankfully I have no such problems with Gentoo and their portage system.
Window Maker is better yet. You can choose to have a certain program only open in a certain workspace and then you can configure it so that all child windows will open in the same workspace as the parent, if you want.
I don't see it that way at all. If MS just went away it wouldn't be a disaster. OSX and Linux would pick up the slack and perhaps more hardware vendors would support Linux and include drivers. This would solve the biggest problem with Linux. It may be more difficult for some people but it certainly has the ability to replace the functions of Windows.
On the other hand, it does give them this aura of a silent killer; you know speak softly and carry a big stick and all. And certainly enough people are complaining about SCO on their own.
Not only that, but it makes them look more respectable than SCO. Nothing makes you look worse then when you run your mouth off and end up getting killed in the fight.
Students need to learn that when they hit industry, sharing credentials just isn't acceptable.
It's middle school! They don't need to learn anything about "the industry" in middle school. They only need to learn about math, english, and girls (boys). They're just kids.
There is a differenece in building your own car/bike/house than coding for something where a company will make a profit.
What is the difference exactly? There is nothing wrong with doing things without being motivated by profit, even if it involves other people making a profit. If you use the GPL, then other people don't really have an ability to profit of your work without offering some kind of service anyway. Money isn't everything.
Both Gnome and KDE's fonts, window decorations, and consistency is of higher quality than XP. It's obvious to anyone who has acutally used all three of them.
This is exaclty why I can't stand Windows. Every little program has spyware and leaves crap all over your system. It's either that or god-awful adware that makes a desktop look like a carnival. A Linux desktop is quite refreshing to look at.
Hmmm. FVWM has been around for something like 10 years. It's more configurable, prettier, and a shitload more powerful than anything MS or Apple has to offer.
And no one uses TWM. I bet you half of the people who use Linux don't even know about it. It may be the Default for X but it certainly isn't the default for any Linux distro. You're making the mistake of confusing X with an OS.
Coding in VB doesn't make you a programmer, it makes you a monkey with a computer. Real programmers have always favored Unix and Unix-like systems on their desktops.
It doesn't surprise me that no one would touch it. After all, you said that they had to sign an NDA to work on the project. I don't think any FLOSS developer would want to touch code that was created that close to MS and under a NDA.
Well how about if I provide a similar story but in reverse? I've put Linux on seven very different machines without a hitch. Some dells, some compaqs, some ultra generic crap, some homebrew computers, and even some laptops. I haven't had a problem yet. On the other hand Windows ate my HD, lost my soundcard drivers, and wouldn't even install off the CD because the graphics card wasn't recognized. Linux didn't have a problem with the same exact machine.
There are certain programs that will only run with super user privledges in linux that I use on a daily basis. For this I use sudo. I just have to add the executable name to my sudoers file and edit the entry in my menu to use sudo, but after that it's smooth sailing. I try to keep my sudoers file as minimal as possible to avoid any problems. For example, it would be easier sometimes to have my text editor in my sudoers file when I need to edit system-wide config files but that's giving way too much power away. I'll just suck it up instead and use su. The price of security can be difficulty but that's no reason to avoid it.
I really think that has little, if any effect on the acceptance of open source. The average consumer never reads slashdot or osnews or any other "geek" news source where these comments are made.
That sounds like every school though, or at least just like UCONN, especially the housing shortages. They turned lounges into quads, made a lottery for housing for upperclassmen, while constructing new buildings for chemistry, biology, EE, business, pharmacy, and even fraternities. In that time frame they erected ONE new housing complex, after most of the other stuff was built already.
You can get a lot of high quality applications in a standard Linux distribution. Apache, sendmail, mysql, evolution, etc. If it is really going to take having boxed programs then I'll box up a CD of each and sell them to you for $100 a pop.
Come to work shaved, showered and neatly dressed
I know uber-geeks don't really give a damn what anyone thinks right? Well clearly you care about how Linux and Unix is percieved or wouldn't be posting on this thread would you. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to listen to someone who looks professional, or at least doesn't smell bad.
Does that stereotype really hold true? Hardly. Techs, especially in corporate environments, are just as clean and well shaven as their coworkers. I work with quite a few of them and they're all clean cut guys. I don't really think it matters too much though unless you are a stuck up prick like yourself who can't even listen to someone not in business attire. That's just a little too snooty.
Stop thinking anyone who doesn't understand computers is an idiot
Look, there are a heck of alot of really smart people out there who can't even check their email. They make more money than you, get laid more often than you, and are probably happier than you. So lets get over ourselves a minute and treat people with respect until they give us a real reaso, n not to.
I'm a smart guy, a computer dork, and I get laid so where does that leave me and everyone else like me? You throw another unfounded stereotype out there for no apparent reason. Maybe techs wouldn't treat you like an idiot if you were a more likable person. Try not calling them smelly losers who never get laid, they might actually help you then.
Learn to speak, then speak up
Speaking in public is not the average geeks strong point, but it's a learned skill. I was painfully shy as a child, a few classes and a few years of experience later, and I have the confidence to speak in front of anyone. If I can do it, so can you.
Again with the stereotypes. I can speak in front of a crowd and so can a lot of technical people. You seem to think that techs are a lower form of life or something. They're people like everyone else, just with different skill sets. Most of them are very intelligent people.
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There is a gtk version called porthole. There is also a java version called portagemaster.
I had similar problems with SUSE. All their multimedia packages were stripped out and broken. The only option I could find was to build from source but that broke a ton of shit.
Thankfully I have no such problems with Gentoo and their portage system.
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Window Maker is better yet. You can choose to have a certain program only open in a certain workspace and then you can configure it so that all child windows will open in the same workspace as the parent, if you want.
I don't see it that way at all. If MS just went away it wouldn't be a disaster. OSX and Linux would pick up the slack and perhaps more hardware vendors would support Linux and include drivers. This would solve the biggest problem with Linux. It may be more difficult for some people but it certainly has the ability to replace the functions of Windows.
Not only that, but it makes them look more respectable than SCO. Nothing makes you look worse then when you run your mouth off and end up getting killed in the fight.
Is that really true? If so then times have really changed, and not for the better. I don't think I like the idea of video cameras in schools.
It's middle school! They don't need to learn anything about "the industry" in middle school. They only need to learn about math, english, and girls (boys). They're just kids.
What is the difference exactly? There is nothing wrong with doing things without being motivated by profit, even if it involves other people making a profit. If you use the GPL, then other people don't really have an ability to profit of your work without offering some kind of service anyway. Money isn't everything.
Both Gnome and KDE's fonts, window decorations, and consistency is of higher quality than XP. It's obvious to anyone who has acutally used all three of them.
This is exaclty why I can't stand Windows. Every little program has spyware and leaves crap all over your system. It's either that or god-awful adware that makes a desktop look like a carnival. A Linux desktop is quite refreshing to look at.
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Now how hard is that?
No, it's not.
And no one uses TWM. I bet you half of the people who use Linux don't even know about it. It may be the Default for X but it certainly isn't the default for any Linux distro. You're making the mistake of confusing X with an OS.
So that's what you call hard to read fonts, fisher price window decorations, and a total lack of consistency.
By the way, your mom licks balls like no other.
Why?
More tools. Free tools. Greater flexibility. CLI.
It doesn't surprise me that no one would touch it. After all, you said that they had to sign an NDA to work on the project. I don't think any FLOSS developer would want to touch code that was created that close to MS and under a NDA.
I guess Windows is just as "broken" as Linux.
There are certain programs that will only run with super user privledges in linux that I use on a daily basis. For this I use sudo. I just have to add the executable name to my sudoers file and edit the entry in my menu to use sudo, but after that it's smooth sailing. I try to keep my sudoers file as minimal as possible to avoid any problems. For example, it would be easier sometimes to have my text editor in my sudoers file when I need to edit system-wide config files but that's giving way too much power away. I'll just suck it up instead and use su. The price of security can be difficulty but that's no reason to avoid it.
I really think that has little, if any effect on the acceptance of open source. The average consumer never reads slashdot or osnews or any other "geek" news source where these comments are made.
That sounds like every school though, or at least just like UCONN, especially the housing shortages. They turned lounges into quads, made a lottery for housing for upperclassmen, while constructing new buildings for chemistry, biology, EE, business, pharmacy, and even fraternities. In that time frame they erected ONE new housing complex, after most of the other stuff was built already.
You can get a lot of high quality applications in a standard Linux distribution. Apache, sendmail, mysql, evolution, etc. If it is really going to take having boxed programs then I'll box up a CD of each and sell them to you for $100 a pop.
I think you're right. They don't discuss politics in special ed classes.
I know uber-geeks don't really give a damn what anyone thinks right? Well clearly you care about how Linux and Unix is percieved or wouldn't be posting on this thread would you. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to listen to someone who looks professional, or at least doesn't smell bad.
Does that stereotype really hold true? Hardly. Techs, especially in corporate environments, are just as clean and well shaven as their coworkers. I work with quite a few of them and they're all clean cut guys. I don't really think it matters too much though unless you are a stuck up prick like yourself who can't even listen to someone not in business attire. That's just a little too snooty.
Stop thinking anyone who doesn't understand computers is an idiot
Look, there are a heck of alot of really smart people out there who can't even check their email. They make more money than you, get laid more often than you, and are probably happier than you. So lets get over ourselves a minute and treat people with respect until they give us a real reaso, n not to.
I'm a smart guy, a computer dork, and I get laid so where does that leave me and everyone else like me? You throw another unfounded stereotype out there for no apparent reason. Maybe techs wouldn't treat you like an idiot if you were a more likable person. Try not calling them smelly losers who never get laid, they might actually help you then.
Learn to speak, then speak up Speaking in public is not the average geeks strong point, but it's a learned skill. I was painfully shy as a child, a few classes and a few years of experience later, and I have the confidence to speak in front of anyone. If I can do it, so can you.
Again with the stereotypes. I can speak in front of a crowd and so can a lot of technical people. You seem to think that techs are a lower form of life or something. They're people like everyone else, just with different skill sets. Most of them are very intelligent people.