And if there was no Gnome or KDE...people would be complaining that there is no desktop for linux. Some people want light and fast (like my fav WM Window Maker) and others prefer full featured desktops (like my friend who uses KDE). In fact KDE works pretty quickly in Gentoo when everything is prelinked. We all want different things and linux gives us that. Let's all be happy that we have a choice, no one's forcing you to use that WM or that distro or that OS or whatever. You use it because you like it. Nuff said.
FILE SHARING -- people use it for legal uses! [Fact: illegal trading]
PRIVACY -- The government will be spying on me! [Fact: you just don't want to get ticketed]
Everyone will no longer believe any excuses slashdot crowd makes, since/. make judgement 100% for selfish reasons. There will be no way to justify your selfish actions in those fields and others when you just want to claim that it's GPL even though you know it's not.
Basically you are advocating that we all sit up and shut up because we have nothing to fear if we have done nothing wrong. This kind of thinking has been proven dangerous time and time again (think nazi's and the stasi). The fact is that people should not be harassed and/or spied on because of something they may do. I can kill a person with a baseball bat but that doesn't it should be illegal to own one. The same thing goes for privacy. Even if I'm not breaking the law I don't want people watching me. No one does. The more control you take away from people and give to government, the harder it is to get any of it back. You just lose more until it's too late to even fight back. It's not about selfishness, it's about freedom, whether you agree with it or not.
All of the arguing in the world can never prove or disprove the theory that we are simulations. We can be a part of a closed system that is infinitely less complicated than the one in which it was built. A simulation would never have to simulate every piece of information and every atom at all times, only what it needed to simulate at that time. Even so, we cannot use our theories of science to prove or disprove this because our theories could very well be a part of a closed, and limited system.
Techinically this is philisophic skepticism. For every possible answer to the question, we can introduce doubt. There is no proof when you discuss things of this sort on this level. The argument is already over; there is no answer.
Let's hope not. Novell has already stated their interests in not hurting Linux. They are becoming more dependent on Linux and I'm sure they wouldn't want to do anything to hurt that.
I hate to gripe about this but it's not very useful to create a hypothetical that is highly unlikely/impossible. When people say things like:
"Anyway, hooray for gov't backed OSS. I'm sure if Bush came out and made the same speech, he'd be crucified on slashdot in some strange way."
It makes sick. I would be grateful. I don't hate Bush because he's a republican or whatever, I hate his policies. I wouldn't hate him for doing something good but unfortunately, in my humble opinion, he has done nothing good.
Anyway. The point being, you only lose credibility when you say something so blatantly rediculous. Not everyone just votes for their "team", some of us actually have well-formed opinions and grievances.
This crowd is a bunch of hypocrites. Just have a look at this: While some develop OSS to scratch an itch, other (who've gone through that already), now loot from the first ones' effort. But OSS developers fancy that -people exploiting them.
I don't know where you are getting this from. Someone cannot steal GPL'd code and close the source. If you use GPL code then you have to GPL your work. The BSD license is different but the GPL is more common.
All. The external internet connections will be down today for a scheduled emerge of seventy mission critical packages. This will allow the firewall to run highly optimised binaries which won't actually speed up your internet connection as the firewall is generally idle anyway. The firewall will be up from 1am tommorow morning, unless the latest X is available, in which case I'll let you all know sometime next week once its finished building everything.
Actually you can update programs while you are using them with Gentoo so you wouldn't actually lose any of that time, except maybe to bring a service down then back up again. Also Gentoo would be a very good distribution to build a firewall with because you can start with the most basic system and add only what you need.
Except that Novell is betting their future on Linux and OSS. Novell will be releasing NetWare 7 next year (hopefully) and they have stated that you will be able to choose the Linux or NetWare kernel at installation. Novell is working on migrating away from legacy NetWare and on to Linux for their services.
So it is indeed in Novell's business interest to ensure that:
1) Linux is not encumbered with IP issues
2) The reputation of Linux is not tarnished
Novell has a lot riding on this.
I don't think you understood his post. You are agreeing with him. He's saying that the propietary code that was "stolen" could be GPL'd because it would not hurt them to do it. If Novell is in fact moving to Linux then it would not hurt them to release the code under an open source license.
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Not true. I did exactly that. I went from Redhat 9 to Gentoo and Gentoo is considerabley faster. I said this earlier in the thread but I really think it makes more of a difference on slower machines. I have a 600Mhz laptop and the speed increase was definitely noticeable. This is not to mention the startup time which is minimized with Gentoo. I have nothing against any of the other distros but I like Gentoo for a few reasons and one of them is that my machine runs much faster than it did with Redhat 9.
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To be fair you don't really have to learn nano. It's more intuitive than any other CLI based editor. I'm not going to say it's better than vi or emacs because I know that would upset some of the zealots out there, but nano really is simple. Besides, that's like saying, "I already know Windows so why should I have to learn Linux".
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I'd have to disagree. KDE is easily twice as fast on Gentoo as it is on Mandrake. Maybe it isn't as noticeable on faster machines but it definitely is on my 600Mhz laptop. I don't understand why anyone would say that optimization does not make anything faster. If that was true then why not just optimize everything for 386? I seem to recall many people bitching about not having 686 binaries.
I think everyone is missing the point. For SCO to disclose copyed code they would inadvertently disclose their own code which they are claiming is a trade secret.
...which is already freely available to the public if it has in fact been released as a part of Linux. There is no reason for SCO to keep the code a secret. The cat is already out of the bag.
" I won't imply it. I'll outright state it. Billy & friends spend oodles of cash on making(stealing) their software prettier, shinier & easier to use."
This is pure myth. MS zealots always like to say this because it was once true. It is obvious that you have not used Linux recently. Mandrake + KDE = easier, prettier, and shinier than anything Microsoft could ever come up with. URPMI to get anything you need right off the net. It is simply not any easier than that. The sad fact is that just being different in itself is enough to scare most people but it's not because MS is any easier or better, just more familiar. It's time to stop propogating myths about the useability of Linux.
For example just the other day on slashdot someone complained that they don't want to teach their grandmother how to compile a kernel just so she could use email. I was simply amazed. I think if these people would just take a step back, actually try linux, and keep an open mind they might like it.
So if you haven't used Linux since before the 2.4 kernel then you cannot comment on these subjects. The truth is that it is quite useable right now and anyone can set up an rpm distro without a hitch.
And who cares? Linux works better for me. It never crashes like Windows did everyday at least once. I run it on my laptop without a problem. I used redhat for a while. I didn't even have to configure anything manually. In fact it was even easier than setting up a windows machine. I use Gentoo now because I like the optimization and configurability. But I digress, who cares? If you like Windows then use it. No one is forcing you to switch. It's all about choice.
The problem with giving credit to Microsoft for donating money is that it only makes them more money. Nevermind the PR, but the tax credits alone make up for it. You cannot credit someone for giving up something they will never miss. A rich man is not more charitable than a poor man because he gives more money. He can afford to. The more charitable man is the one who gives enough to notice the difference, the ones who actually make a sacrifice. Microsoft and Bill Gates do not even notice a dent in their bottom line.
The problem with this approach is that if you stop defending it then it's possible that no one will take it sersiously and everyone will freely be able to steal GPL'ed code. Then you'll end up with a lot of closed source code that none of us can use.
Not everyone would agree with you that induction can be used to figure anything out. Hume has quite a good argument against induction. While it seems to work most of the time and we'd pretty much be lost without it, there is no way to prove induction actually works or why.
In simple terms, we cannot know that the sun will come up tomorrow until it does. The past can in no way be proven to continue in the same fashion in the future. Statistically it may look as if you can prove induction but all you've really done is shown that everything in the past has happened according to rule "X" but that in no way assures everything in the future will happen according to rule "X".
I'm curious as to what you think the Dems would be doing different about the economy (hmmm, cutting taxes, increasing spending...). I voted for Clinton/Gore both times, but when, in the debates, Bush said we were in a recession and Gore swore we weren't, that was it. Clinton and Gore did all that they could to keep the party going till the election, knowing full well they were making the inevitable recovery a long, hard one.
And I'm really curious as to why you think Al "Clipper Chip" Gore wouldn't be doing a lot of the same crap concerning civil liberties.
I wish you would stick to the subject. I never said Gore would be better. Whatever I believe on that subject is irrelevant. My claim is that he is the worst president we have ever had. Now to qualify that I should say that he is the worst in my lifetime because I cannot fairly judge the others.
Taliban no longer in control in Afghanistan, with no Al-Queda training camps operating there. A bunch of dead or imprisoned terrorists. US troops moving out of Saudi (you know, the main thing that made Osama and other Saudis go bug-nutty?). And while it's unlikely that Iraq will turn into Shangri-La, it's pretty unlikely it'll become worse than it was.
I don't understand how anyone can view the war in Afganistan as a success. Yes we won the war and that's it. What is being done now? You don't hear about it because it's not good news. Afganistan is now once again the leading producer of heroin. Fights amongst different tribes are occurring more frequently by the day.
The only reason we are pulling out of Saudi Arabia is because we are installing three military bases in Iraq. We don't need bases in Saudia Arabia anymore. How does that help calm Bin Laden? We still have military presence in Islam and that is the issue.
A lot more Iraqis died from ten years of sanctions than from a month of war. Bush got permission to use force from Congress. When Clinton was lobbing cruise missiles at Afghanistan and Sudan, was that authorized by Congress?
It's easy to get congress' approval when it is held by Republicans. Clinton didn't have the luxury for most of his presidency to have his party in control of congress. I also have never stated my approval of sanctions so you have no point really.
WRONG! The deadline that Gore attempted to circumvent was not a constitutional problem. I have disicussed this a bit earlier in the thread. What is unconstitutional is not counting votes. Even if the deadline was a consitutional issue, which it isn't, which would be more important to you? A counted vote should mean more in this county than a stupid deadline. This county brags about democracy but doesn't even know how to implement it.
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From a business point of view it is illegal. At least that's what the US DOJ said. Too bad no one is enforcing it.
Nah. Same thing happened in Peru not too long ago.
And if there was no Gnome or KDE...people would be complaining that there is no desktop for linux. Some people want light and fast (like my fav WM Window Maker) and others prefer full featured desktops (like my friend who uses KDE). In fact KDE works pretty quickly in Gentoo when everything is prelinked. We all want different things and linux gives us that. Let's all be happy that we have a choice, no one's forcing you to use that WM or that distro or that OS or whatever. You use it because you like it. Nuff said.
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apt-get install [program]
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No pirated software and still I have use for p2p programs. Go figure!
PRIVACY -- The government will be spying on me! [Fact: you just don't want to get ticketed]
Everyone will no longer believe any excuses slashdot crowd makes, since /. make judgement 100% for selfish reasons. There will be no way to justify your selfish actions in those fields and others when you just want to claim that it's GPL even though you know it's not.
Basically you are advocating that we all sit up and shut up because we have nothing to fear if we have done nothing wrong. This kind of thinking has been proven dangerous time and time again (think nazi's and the stasi). The fact is that people should not be harassed and/or spied on because of something they may do. I can kill a person with a baseball bat but that doesn't it should be illegal to own one. The same thing goes for privacy. Even if I'm not breaking the law I don't want people watching me. No one does. The more control you take away from people and give to government, the harder it is to get any of it back. You just lose more until it's too late to even fight back. It's not about selfishness, it's about freedom, whether you agree with it or not.
Techinically this is philisophic skepticism. For every possible answer to the question, we can introduce doubt. There is no proof when you discuss things of this sort on this level. The argument is already over; there is no answer.
Let's hope not. Novell has already stated their interests in not hurting Linux. They are becoming more dependent on Linux and I'm sure they wouldn't want to do anything to hurt that.
"Anyway, hooray for gov't backed OSS. I'm sure if Bush came out and made the same speech, he'd be crucified on slashdot in some strange way."
It makes sick. I would be grateful. I don't hate Bush because he's a republican or whatever, I hate his policies. I wouldn't hate him for doing something good but unfortunately, in my humble opinion, he has done nothing good.
Anyway. The point being, you only lose credibility when you say something so blatantly rediculous. Not everyone just votes for their "team", some of us actually have well-formed opinions and grievances.
I don't know where you are getting this from. Someone cannot steal GPL'd code and close the source. If you use GPL code then you have to GPL your work. The BSD license is different but the GPL is more common.
Actually you can update programs while you are using them with Gentoo so you wouldn't actually lose any of that time, except maybe to bring a service down then back up again. Also Gentoo would be a very good distribution to build a firewall with because you can start with the most basic system and add only what you need.
So it is indeed in Novell's business interest to ensure that:
1) Linux is not encumbered with IP issues
2) The reputation of Linux is not tarnished
Novell has a lot riding on this.
I don't think you understood his post. You are agreeing with him. He's saying that the propietary code that was "stolen" could be GPL'd because it would not hurt them to do it. If Novell is in fact moving to Linux then it would not hurt them to release the code under an open source license.
Not true. I did exactly that. I went from Redhat 9 to Gentoo and Gentoo is considerabley faster. I said this earlier in the thread but I really think it makes more of a difference on slower machines. I have a 600Mhz laptop and the speed increase was definitely noticeable. This is not to mention the startup time which is minimized with Gentoo. I have nothing against any of the other distros but I like Gentoo for a few reasons and one of them is that my machine runs much faster than it did with Redhat 9.
To be fair you don't really have to learn nano. It's more intuitive than any other CLI based editor. I'm not going to say it's better than vi or emacs because I know that would upset some of the zealots out there, but nano really is simple. Besides, that's like saying, "I already know Windows so why should I have to learn Linux".
I'd have to disagree. KDE is easily twice as fast on Gentoo as it is on Mandrake. Maybe it isn't as noticeable on faster machines but it definitely is on my 600Mhz laptop. I don't understand why anyone would say that optimization does not make anything faster. If that was true then why not just optimize everything for 386? I seem to recall many people bitching about not having 686 binaries.
This is pure myth. MS zealots always like to say this because it was once true. It is obvious that you have not used Linux recently. Mandrake + KDE = easier, prettier, and shinier than anything Microsoft could ever come up with. URPMI to get anything you need right off the net. It is simply not any easier than that. The sad fact is that just being different in itself is enough to scare most people but it's not because MS is any easier or better, just more familiar. It's time to stop propogating myths about the useability of Linux.
For example just the other day on slashdot someone complained that they don't want to teach their grandmother how to compile a kernel just so she could use email. I was simply amazed. I think if these people would just take a step back, actually try linux, and keep an open mind they might like it.
So if you haven't used Linux since before the 2.4 kernel then you cannot comment on these subjects. The truth is that it is quite useable right now and anyone can set up an rpm distro without a hitch.
And who cares? Linux works better for me. It never crashes like Windows did everyday at least once. I run it on my laptop without a problem. I used redhat for a while. I didn't even have to configure anything manually. In fact it was even easier than setting up a windows machine. I use Gentoo now because I like the optimization and configurability. But I digress, who cares? If you like Windows then use it. No one is forcing you to switch. It's all about choice.
The problem with giving credit to Microsoft for donating money is that it only makes them more money. Nevermind the PR, but the tax credits alone make up for it. You cannot credit someone for giving up something they will never miss. A rich man is not more charitable than a poor man because he gives more money. He can afford to. The more charitable man is the one who gives enough to notice the difference, the ones who actually make a sacrifice. Microsoft and Bill Gates do not even notice a dent in their bottom line.
modding me as a troll is rediculous. the moderator is a politically biased (and uninformed) asshole.
The problem with this approach is that if you stop defending it then it's possible that no one will take it sersiously and everyone will freely be able to steal GPL'ed code. Then you'll end up with a lot of closed source code that none of us can use.
In simple terms, we cannot know that the sun will come up tomorrow until it does. The past can in no way be proven to continue in the same fashion in the future. Statistically it may look as if you can prove induction but all you've really done is shown that everything in the past has happened according to rule "X" but that in no way assures everything in the future will happen according to rule "X".
And I'm really curious as to why you think Al "Clipper Chip" Gore wouldn't be doing a lot of the same crap concerning civil liberties.
I wish you would stick to the subject. I never said Gore would be better. Whatever I believe on that subject is irrelevant. My claim is that he is the worst president we have ever had. Now to qualify that I should say that he is the worst in my lifetime because I cannot fairly judge the others.
Taliban no longer in control in Afghanistan, with no Al-Queda training camps operating there. A bunch of dead or imprisoned terrorists. US troops moving out of Saudi (you know, the main thing that made Osama and other Saudis go bug-nutty?). And while it's unlikely that Iraq will turn into Shangri-La, it's pretty unlikely it'll become worse than it was.
I don't understand how anyone can view the war in Afganistan as a success. Yes we won the war and that's it. What is being done now? You don't hear about it because it's not good news. Afganistan is now once again the leading producer of heroin. Fights amongst different tribes are occurring more frequently by the day.
The only reason we are pulling out of Saudi Arabia is because we are installing three military bases in Iraq. We don't need bases in Saudia Arabia anymore. How does that help calm Bin Laden? We still have military presence in Islam and that is the issue.
A lot more Iraqis died from ten years of sanctions than from a month of war. Bush got permission to use force from Congress. When Clinton was lobbing cruise missiles at Afghanistan and Sudan, was that authorized by Congress?
It's easy to get congress' approval when it is held by Republicans. Clinton didn't have the luxury for most of his presidency to have his party in control of congress. I also have never stated my approval of sanctions so you have no point really.
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WRONG! The deadline that Gore attempted to circumvent was not a constitutional problem. I have disicussed this a bit earlier in the thread. What is unconstitutional is not counting votes. Even if the deadline was a consitutional issue, which it isn't, which would be more important to you? A counted vote should mean more in this county than a stupid deadline. This county brags about democracy but doesn't even know how to implement it.