Actually Gore did win. Bush lost. The cutoff date that everyone was raving about on the right was BS. The Supreme Court decided that the cutoff was more important than counting votes which is quite unconstitutional. There is a cutoff but it is only there for certification purposes. The electoral votes cannot be challenged after they are certified. If the cutoff date is not met then they are not certified and they can be challenged. That is exaclty what Bush did not want to happen because he knew he lost. Stop the count while your ahead and that's the end of that. After this whole fiasco it was revealed that Gore actually won Florida.
I'd have to disagree. Bush is the worst president we've ever had. The only illegal thing on your list about Clinton is prejury. Bush on the other hand has started an illegal war and killed innocent people. There's about a million more bad things I can say about him but instead I will ask "What good has Bush done?". Name one thing that has improved our society. I gaurantee you cannot come up with one good example.
Deregulation, lowering taxes, beefing up our borders are all things I feel are important
Hmmm. Conglomerates abusing consumers and censoring people through all forms of media. Rich people abusing the less fortunate by lowering their contribution and at the same time cutting valuable programs. Xenophobic elitists pushing mexican border crossers into the mountains to die in the thousands. I agree, those are important issues.
It was extremely important to protect the oil fields, to prevent another enviornmental disaster like the first war, far, far worse than the impact of the Exxon Valdez.
It's not as if they knew where nuclear material was being kept, and it would have been impossible to "protect" it, as they hadn't, I mean DUH!, taken over that part of the friggin country yet.
Is that so? Well then maybe the US government shouldn't have lied and told us they knew. If they had no evidence of weapons then why were we at war? The government's argument was the Iraq had complete weapons for sale to terrorists. Well now that we've taken our sweet ass time, if there were weapons they've undoubtedly already gone into the hands of terrorists. So in the end the government promised to protect us from a specific danger, then do exactly the opposite.
That's the price you pay. The alternative is to submit to demands of terrorists, which is unacceptable.
No. I don't seem to recall the Uniited States ever having to choose between "demands of terroists" and going to war with Iraq. Just in case you're another one of those people who live under a rock, Iraq and Bin Laden have nothing to do with each other.
Complete, fucking, idioacy. Afghanistan is no longer ruled by the Taliban, the government that al'Queda was a military branch of.
Al Qaeda was not a military branch of the Taliban. They are a terrorist group that operated out of Afganistan.
Iraq is no longer ruled by Saddam Hussein, a brutal dictator personally responsible for over a million deaths. There has not been a single successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.
Saddam is not the only dictator killing people. Why did we choose him at this moment in time especially when we need more help at home? If we the US government really cared about the Iraqi people then how come he let Saddam kill the rebels after the first war in Iraq?
Al'Queda is not gone, but it has been severely impacted. It's power will continue to crumble, and as more countries support efforts to eliminate them, it will go even quicker.
Thanks for breaking the news that Al Qaeda is crumbling. We can all sleep at night now. Just one more thing...EVIDENCE. If you can't find any it's ok because I don't expect you to. No one knows how big and spread out Al Qaeda may be.
After the ridiculously easy time U.S. forces had removing the Taliban and the Baath party in Iraq, both of which naysayers said would not be possible, beliggerant governments will think twice before opposing the U.S.
I don't recall anyone saying the US wouldn't win those wars. It was obvious from the beginning that we would destroy them. The question was if it was the right thing to do.
Really? I'm in the US and I don't agree with you at all. I don't believe you have ever been out of this country. Personally I could do without the guns, the corrupt government, the filthy lawyers, and corporate america in general. I would much rather live in a place with more tolerance of others, less guns, and no legalized bribery as is apparent in the current state of this country. I could also do without Republicans but I know I'll never escape them.
Americans must either stand up and stop this insanity or I will be leaving it. Which by then will probably be welcome on both sides. Dissent is becoming very dangerous to one's health.
"I think Ann Coultier and Bill O'Reilly are idiots who make good arguments at times"
You forgot to put the period after "idiots".
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Yeah well hackers still use the term hacker because it's what they're used to and its meaning is now intrinsic to the word, so deal with it. In my world I don't hear the word "hacker" used in a negative sense.
True, but if the source code has been taken from SCO then you could make a case that they then released it themselves, on their own free will, under the GPL. If this is code from Unix then Unix is effectively GPL'ed. How do you seperate what was stolen and was was innovated? I don't think SCO has a chance of winning. They screwed themselves by releasing their own version of Linux.
"Oh, and Debian tends to have a wonderful user community.:)"
Is that a joke? Those people can be scary. Personally I'm glad there is a Debian out there but the user community is enough to scare anyone away. There are good people out there but it seems the majority of the community is not open to new ideas and tend to spend all of their time fighting about other distros. I would have stuck with Debian if I didn't have to deal with arrogant pricks to do it.
" Yes, stability and ease of upgrade are more difficult than halfhazard addition of the latest bleeding edge components"
Haphazard is the word you are looking for.
"I use FreeBSD because I like a customized system. Only the ports offer this and gentoo is way too* alpha quality and buggy."
Have you used Gentoo? It's not alpha and I've had no problems using it. Maybe you had problems but I think you should elaborate before someone actually believes what you say.
OSX does not run "on top" of the Mach kernel. It should, but it doesn't. It runs more alongside OSX which completely nullifies the reason for having a microkernel. One day someone will get it right again like NeXT, but hopefully this time it will be with L4 and not Mach.
"Seriously though, it basically sounds as if you just don't care about Debian's goals. In which case, yes, Debian isn't the distro for you, just become a cool Gentoo user."
Most people don't care about Debian's goals. They just want a system that works and in today's world many new feautures are being applied in every release in rapid succession. If you don't have updated packages then you don't get new features.
As for Gentoo...just leave it alone already. Every Debian user wants to think that people are switching from Debian to Gentoo because it's a fashion. Well I never knew anyone even used it when I found out about it. Portage is what attracted me to the system and that seems to be what most people say. Not everyone wants to compile from source and that's their decision. Some of us do though and we happen to like Gentoo. Let's stop this stupidity already. It used to be Windows vs Linux but now everybody wants to fight over different distros. It's nonsense.
"My computer is an Athlon 875mhz with 512mb of ram & 7200rpm hdd - this should be fine as a desktop computer for a long time in theory, but WinXP from 2001 would run slowly on it, and Linux distros run like a dog on it."
This is utterly false. I have a 600mhz P3 with 384M of RAM and a 7200 rpm HD. It is also a laptop. Obviously not even on par with your system yet I have no problem running linux. In fact it is significantly faster than Win2000, which was previously on this machine. I use Window Maker so that helps but my friend uses KDE on his 750mhz/256M/7200HD and it's still pretty quick.
"People tend to think you get what you pay for, and if they think something is just "free" that it can't be worth very much. And in some respect they're right. There's a lot of "missing" free software (like Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Illustrator-- just not quite there yet with the GIMP and ???). So it has to be about something more than saving a few bucks. And it is: freedom."
I think this is a matter of opinion. To me there is not "a lot" of missing software. There are a few things, like a website building application, but I do not feel that I have an incomplete system and neither do many linux users. I guess it's all a matter of what tools and applications you need yourself. On a side note, the GIMP is much better than Photoshop.
"GNU works withoug Linux too but Linux does not work without GNU"
Not necessarily true. I see the point you are trying to make but it does not make this statement true. It is possible to eliminate the GNU tools and use BSD tools in their place.
Do you really believe this? Debian is ancient technology. They are probably the last distro to release a new package. Debian should stick to just Debian GNU/Hurd, that way they won't have to worry about updated and/or new packages.
"France was happy to gabble until the cows come home, and meanwhile Iraqis were distressed and dying"
The United States seemed content with Iraq for years. The US even sold chemical weapons to Iraq. So I guess the US cared enough about Iraqis to kill more of them.
This reminds me of tests I have taken for jobs. They look more for consistency to your answers than what you answered specificly. Basically they ask you the same few questions repeatedly using different wording.
I have a very high IQ and have done very well on standardized tests and I think they are complete bunk. I've known many very intelligent people who did awful on standardized tests just as I have known very average students that have aced the SAT's. People just like to use those numbers to "prove" they are smart. All they really prove is that you can take a test.
BTW you attribute your sig to Jefferson but Ben Franklin was actually the one who said it.
I'm not going to argue that Saddam is an evil person but you need to get your head out of the sand and read some current events/history. Saddam did not gas the Kurds. Iran did. The United States sold chemical weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. Iraq used these weapons against Iran and in retaliation Iran used chemical weapons against Iraq, unfortunately the Kurds were gassed instead. Read the medical reports. The two countries used different chemical agents.
Secondly the president and his buddies are making out on this war. Cheney is getting paid a million dollars a year as FORMER CEO of Halliburton. Now he is using his position in public office for monetary gain which is illegal.
Lastly the christian right wing in this counrty is getting even crazier these days. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Bush mentions God more than he mispronounces the work nuclear, and that's damn near impossible. This has become a religious war whether you like it or not. Right-wingers are no better in this country than muslim extremists are in other countries. Just as they wish to kill all Americans, your average conservative townie doesn't distinguish between the Sikh guy (not even the same religion) walking down the street and the extemist with an AK47.
On a side note, the guy defending reaganomics is so off the mark. I thought we've know how bad his decisions were 10 years ago. It's written as a an example of bad judgement in economics text books.
Following those footsteps is little Bush. How can we have a Social Security crisis when the top 1% of the country is going to save 3 times the amount of the deficit to this important program? How have the top 1% of people been suffering as one poster said? CEO's make disproportionately large amounts of money, sometimes even more than 100 million dollars a year. These people are not suffering. Vist an AIDS patient and then maybe you'll know what suffering is. No one is suffering because they couldn't afford another yacht this year.
actually if you want to be technical your statement, "My celeron 500s temperature" is incorrect and the statement, "My celeron 500's temperature" is correct. you are not talking about your many celeron 500 processors, you are talking about your processor' s temperature. it is possesive not plural.
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Actually Gore did win. Bush lost. The cutoff date that everyone was raving about on the right was BS. The Supreme Court decided that the cutoff was more important than counting votes which is quite unconstitutional. There is a cutoff but it is only there for certification purposes. The electoral votes cannot be challenged after they are certified. If the cutoff date is not met then they are not certified and they can be challenged. That is exaclty what Bush did not want to happen because he knew he lost. Stop the count while your ahead and that's the end of that. After this whole fiasco it was revealed that Gore actually won Florida.
I'd have to disagree. Bush is the worst president we've ever had. The only illegal thing on your list about Clinton is prejury. Bush on the other hand has started an illegal war and killed innocent people. There's about a million more bad things I can say about him but instead I will ask "What good has Bush done?". Name one thing that has improved our society. I gaurantee you cannot come up with one good example.
Hmmm. Conglomerates abusing consumers and censoring people through all forms of media. Rich people abusing the less fortunate by lowering their contribution and at the same time cutting valuable programs. Xenophobic elitists pushing mexican border crossers into the mountains to die in the thousands. I agree, those are important issues.
It's not as if they knew where nuclear material was being kept, and it would have been impossible to "protect" it, as they hadn't, I mean DUH!, taken over that part of the friggin country yet.
Is that so? Well then maybe the US government shouldn't have lied and told us they knew. If they had no evidence of weapons then why were we at war? The government's argument was the Iraq had complete weapons for sale to terrorists. Well now that we've taken our sweet ass time, if there were weapons they've undoubtedly already gone into the hands of terrorists. So in the end the government promised to protect us from a specific danger, then do exactly the opposite.
That's the price you pay. The alternative is to submit to demands of terrorists, which is unacceptable.
No. I don't seem to recall the Uniited States ever having to choose between "demands of terroists" and going to war with Iraq. Just in case you're another one of those people who live under a rock, Iraq and Bin Laden have nothing to do with each other.
Complete, fucking, idioacy. Afghanistan is no longer ruled by the Taliban, the government that al'Queda was a military branch of.
Al Qaeda was not a military branch of the Taliban. They are a terrorist group that operated out of Afganistan.
Iraq is no longer ruled by Saddam Hussein, a brutal dictator personally responsible for over a million deaths. There has not been a single successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.
Saddam is not the only dictator killing people. Why did we choose him at this moment in time especially when we need more help at home? If we the US government really cared about the Iraqi people then how come he let Saddam kill the rebels after the first war in Iraq?
Al'Queda is not gone, but it has been severely impacted. It's power will continue to crumble, and as more countries support efforts to eliminate them, it will go even quicker.
Thanks for breaking the news that Al Qaeda is crumbling. We can all sleep at night now. Just one more thing...EVIDENCE. If you can't find any it's ok because I don't expect you to. No one knows how big and spread out Al Qaeda may be.
After the ridiculously easy time U.S. forces had removing the Taliban and the Baath party in Iraq, both of which naysayers said would not be possible, beliggerant governments will think twice before opposing the U.S.
I don't recall anyone saying the US wouldn't win those wars. It was obvious from the beginning that we would destroy them. The question was if it was the right thing to do.
Americans must either stand up and stop this insanity or I will be leaving it. Which by then will probably be welcome on both sides. Dissent is becoming very dangerous to one's health.
You forgot to put the period after "idiots".
Yeah well hackers still use the term hacker because it's what they're used to and its meaning is now intrinsic to the word, so deal with it. In my world I don't hear the word "hacker" used in a negative sense.
True, but if the source code has been taken from SCO then you could make a case that they then released it themselves, on their own free will, under the GPL. If this is code from Unix then Unix is effectively GPL'ed. How do you seperate what was stolen and was was innovated? I don't think SCO has a chance of winning. They screwed themselves by releasing their own version of Linux.
Is that a joke? Those people can be scary. Personally I'm glad there is a Debian out there but the user community is enough to scare anyone away. There are good people out there but it seems the majority of the community is not open to new ideas and tend to spend all of their time fighting about other distros. I would have stuck with Debian if I didn't have to deal with arrogant pricks to do it.
" Yes, stability and ease of upgrade are more difficult than halfhazard addition of the latest bleeding edge components" Haphazard is the word you are looking for.
Have you used Gentoo? It's not alpha and I've had no problems using it. Maybe you had problems but I think you should elaborate before someone actually believes what you say.
OSX does not run "on top" of the Mach kernel. It should, but it doesn't. It runs more alongside OSX which completely nullifies the reason for having a microkernel. One day someone will get it right again like NeXT, but hopefully this time it will be with L4 and not Mach.
Most people don't care about Debian's goals. They just want a system that works and in today's world many new feautures are being applied in every release in rapid succession. If you don't have updated packages then you don't get new features.
As for Gentoo...just leave it alone already. Every Debian user wants to think that people are switching from Debian to Gentoo because it's a fashion. Well I never knew anyone even used it when I found out about it. Portage is what attracted me to the system and that seems to be what most people say. Not everyone wants to compile from source and that's their decision. Some of us do though and we happen to like Gentoo. Let's stop this stupidity already. It used to be Windows vs Linux but now everybody wants to fight over different distros. It's nonsense.
This is utterly false. I have a 600mhz P3 with 384M of RAM and a 7200 rpm HD. It is also a laptop. Obviously not even on par with your system yet I have no problem running linux. In fact it is significantly faster than Win2000, which was previously on this machine. I use Window Maker so that helps but my friend uses KDE on his 750mhz/256M/7200HD and it's still pretty quick.
I think this is a matter of opinion. To me there is not "a lot" of missing software. There are a few things, like a website building application, but I do not feel that I have an incomplete system and neither do many linux users. I guess it's all a matter of what tools and applications you need yourself. On a side note, the GIMP is much better than Photoshop.
Not necessarily true. I see the point you are trying to make but it does not make this statement true. It is possible to eliminate the GNU tools and use BSD tools in their place.
Do you really believe this? Debian is ancient technology. They are probably the last distro to release a new package. Debian should stick to just Debian GNU/Hurd, that way they won't have to worry about updated and/or new packages.
It shouldnt' be.
your sig would be funny if it said "windows" instead of "mac"
The United States seemed content with Iraq for years. The US even sold chemical weapons to Iraq. So I guess the US cared enough about Iraqis to kill more of them.
This reminds me of tests I have taken for jobs. They look more for consistency to your answers than what you answered specificly. Basically they ask you the same few questions repeatedly using different wording.
BTW you attribute your sig to Jefferson but Ben Franklin was actually the one who said it.
I'm not going to argue that Saddam is an evil person but you need to get your head out of the sand and read some current events/history. Saddam did not gas the Kurds. Iran did. The United States sold chemical weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. Iraq used these weapons against Iran and in retaliation Iran used chemical weapons against Iraq, unfortunately the Kurds were gassed instead. Read the medical reports. The two countries used different chemical agents. Secondly the president and his buddies are making out on this war. Cheney is getting paid a million dollars a year as FORMER CEO of Halliburton. Now he is using his position in public office for monetary gain which is illegal. Lastly the christian right wing in this counrty is getting even crazier these days. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Bush mentions God more than he mispronounces the work nuclear, and that's damn near impossible. This has become a religious war whether you like it or not. Right-wingers are no better in this country than muslim extremists are in other countries. Just as they wish to kill all Americans, your average conservative townie doesn't distinguish between the Sikh guy (not even the same religion) walking down the street and the extemist with an AK47. On a side note, the guy defending reaganomics is so off the mark. I thought we've know how bad his decisions were 10 years ago. It's written as a an example of bad judgement in economics text books. Following those footsteps is little Bush. How can we have a Social Security crisis when the top 1% of the country is going to save 3 times the amount of the deficit to this important program? How have the top 1% of people been suffering as one poster said? CEO's make disproportionately large amounts of money, sometimes even more than 100 million dollars a year. These people are not suffering. Vist an AIDS patient and then maybe you'll know what suffering is. No one is suffering because they couldn't afford another yacht this year.
actually if you want to be technical your statement, "My celeron 500s temperature" is incorrect and the statement, "My celeron 500's temperature" is correct. you are not talking about your many celeron 500 processors, you are talking about your processor' s temperature. it is possesive not plural.
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