Most complaints I hear about it have to do with that vacuuming thing and clustering issues....and speed of course. Never used PostgreSQL though *ducks*
The vacuum thing is not so much an issue with recent versions as there is an option to setup automatic vacuuming.
Writely is based upon ASP.NET. Will this save them appreciable time? They will have to do a rewrite or be based on Microsoft technology (yeah, right).
I doubt they will do a rewrite. Probably get it running in Mono/Linux if anything. Orkut is written in ASP.Net, but I believe they run it in Mono/Linux.
Google (or MS?) would be smart to purchase a company like Digg to feed into their search results. Let people figure out what links are relevant or not.
Yeah, because a large group of 12-14 year olds should decide what's relevant.
And then when the kids get out into the big bad world and realise that most companies are using this completely different OS called Windows, that'll set them in good stead for getting a job. You linux freaks are willing to gamble with kids' futures just to get more people using your wanky OS.
Yeah, because being exposed to TRS-80's, Atari ST's and other Atari computers, Apple IIe's, UNIX, DOS, etc did so much harm to my ability to use Windows. Do you honestly think young children should have training on Windows? Do you think Windows is going to be dominant OS 10-15 years from now when these children enter the workforce? From the submission, it sounds like these computers are being used for educational software, not training children to be Windows monkeys.
The only issue I see here is how the teachers/staff will respond to a change.
Is it wrong for me to feel used and abused at the idea that Microsoft wants to charge for this service? I have seen arguments both ways, but I can't help but feel that charging for such a service amounts to little more than extortion. I mean, it's their operating system, and problems with their code that *often* (but not always) allows for these problems in the first place, so why should I have to pay extra for protection from malware that should have been stopped to begin with?
Have you forwarded ports? sounds like that might help if you havnt allready
Yes, I almost mentioned that. If you are behind a firewall or NAT appliance, make sure the port for BT is open or forwarded. That helps speed up BT considerably.
Granted, I've only used a handful of bittorrent clients, but my biggest complaint with most is that they use the majority of my bandwidth, and I can't even get google to load when I have them open, let alone most other sites.
This is more than likely because you are using up all your upstream bandwidth. Limit your upstream to something under your max and you should be fine. You can also limit downstream, but that's less likely to be a problem.
I have 40KB upstream max with my cable service, and I limit it to 25KB and have never had any slowdown problems after doing so. BT never approaches my ~500KB downstream max, so I've never had to limit that. I use Azureus as my client.
While both.NET and Java are free, the application servers they run on are not. For ASP.NET, IIS is the application server. For Java/J2EE, it could be Web Sphere or a variety of others. In pretty much every case a Windows license will be a lot cheaper than the license for the J2EE app server... especially Web Sphere.
This is not true. There are a few free/open source J2EE app servers such as JBoss, Jonas, and eventually Geronimo. That's assuming your app doesn't run in a servlet container like Tomcat (which is a current trend because people are abandoning EJB's because most projects don't need them). These days, a lot of Java development is done in an almost completely open source environment. Linux, Eclipse (IDE), Tomcat (container). Libraries such as Spring, Hibernate, iBatis, etc. Take your pick of open source database if you want (PostgreSQL, MySQL, Firebird). The only thing that can't be open source is the JVM (and JDK), but it is free as in beer. There is Kaffe and GNU Classpath, if you really want 100% open source, but they are not capable enough.
Although the CLR has advantages over the JVM, and Java has catching up to do in some areas, the open source tools in Java I described runs circles around Microsoft's.Net tools. I know because I develop in both for a living.
These tools are slowly being ported over to.Net, but it'll be a while before.Net really picks up. I'm interested in how Mono will progress. I think once Mono has a great open source IDE like Java does (Eclipse) we might see things take off, but it won't be that attractive for Java programmers until that happens.
Now, they're not using hardware that's all that outdated. We're talking 400-500 MHz Intel or AMD based systems. They're still quite usable as development systems. That is, of course, unless you want to use Eclipse.
I was talking to one such developer who said he used EMACS for his Java development just because it ran far better on his system than Eclipse did. While Eclipse may be a good platform for some, it still does lack in the area of performance and the efficient use of resources.
For running Eclipse RAM is the important part. CPU is not so relevant. If you have 512 MB it runs very smoothly regardless of how slow the CPU is. Of course some 400-500 MHz machines don't even support 5128 MB.
It could even run Windows. It sounds like what they're saying is that people (such as yourself) expect it to be a fully functional laptop when in fact it is limited in what it can do.
Forget Windows, if it can get a Linux or BSD on it and be able to do all the command-line text-mode stuff, this would be sweet.
Replace what the other guy said "I'd only need notepad anyway." with "I'd only need vi or Emacs anyway."
I would qualify that this applies to those that are connected to the internet. And since you are posting to slashdot, I do believe you are connected to the internet. An "I can't be affected by a virus" is a very arrogant attitude to have these days.
How about an "I'm not very likely to be affected by a virus" attitude?
$ uname -a Linux pebs 2.6.12-10-k7 #1 Fri Nov 18 12:46:18 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
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$ uname -a Darwin pebsmac-Computer.local 8.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.3.0: Mon Oct 3 20:04:04 PDT 2005; root:xnu-792.6.22.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
But seriously, on a Windows PC I don't bother with realtime scanners (of any kind, virus or spyware). If a zero-day exploit is gonna get past it, what is the point in taking the performance penalty anyway? I only run a nightly ClamAV scan, that's it. It's a slight risk, but one I'm willing to accept considering how I use my PC. Most exploits happen through Internet Explorer, official IM clients like AIM, and mail trojans and other kinds of trojans; and none of those affect me.
It sounds like you do have to have an iPod (or at least iTunes) to be able to listen to a "podcast." Otherwise it's just an audio download without all the automation.
Sounds like you do, but that's certainly not the case. You just need a program capable of reading RSS, and downloading sound files based on the downloaded RSS. There are plenty of programs out there that let you subscribe, download, and listen to "podcasts" without iTunes or an iPod. It's a misleading word, and WILL mislead people into thinking they need an iPod, when all they need is a computer, some software, and maybe a portable music player (but not necessarilly).
Apple didn't invent the word "podcast." As to what "should" or "should not" be part of a language, that wreaks of the same elitism that leads the French government to have a ministry of language.
Unintentional marketing gimmick. The fact of the matter is you don't need an iPod to listen to a podcast. Sure, you can say POD stands for "Personal, On-Demand" but the word came from "iPod" and implies "iPod" regardless of how you want to reinterpret it. It's misleading, and it's free advertising for Apple, regardless of whether they created it or not. Seems more elitist to use the word than to question its validity.
Convenience. Back in the early 90s, I remember many remarks like yours about the new WWW. "Can someone explain to me the difference between this new trendy "world wide web" and just downloading files by ftp? It's only text and gifs anyway". Yes podcasts are all just mp3s and xml. They're also one hell of a lot more convenient, in the same way that anyone sane would rather go to www.site.com/index.html instead of manually downloading some text with references to half a dozen images and then go hunting down the images it referred to.
Podcast = find a show you like, subscribe. listen.
That's all fine and well, but why the fuck would they add it to the dictionary? If it was a word like "audiocast" I could understand (which actually means what it is), but "podcast" is too much an advertisement for "iPod". People will (and do) think you need an iPod to be able to listen to a podcast, when the reality is people are calling any kind of audio streaming or download a "podcast". It's a marketting gimmick that shouldn't be part of language.
It's the same way when I show people Windows Remote Desktop.... they act like it's a big deal. Unix had "remote destop technology" before most Unix users could afford computer monitors.
Are they amazed by it because its a remote desktop or its so fast its like using the machine locally, even with a low bandwidth connection? Remote desktop technology has been around for ages, but what's amazing about RDC is its speed. NoMachine NX is comparable in speed. But take straight X remoting or VNC and they are laughably slow in comparison.
"from the welcome-to-the-world-of-tomorrow dept"? More like welcome to unix of yesteryear. What's with the kid that always crosses the finish line last and somehow always gets perceived as the leader?
My question is when is OS X going to stop requiring reboots for upgrades? It's just as bad if not worse in OS X.
I think the reason for this is that the development tools for Windows are FAR more advanced than their Linux counterparts.
i.e. Visual Basic. (eeew). But for Linux? Well, there's Gambas, but Gambas is _NOT_ sourcecode compatible with Visual Basic.
What we need is a RAD-application that, besides having database support, is cross-platform. We need a tool so easy that Joe Programmers can compile a cross-platform application from either Windows or Linux.
Why not just write Java apps and be done with it? The tools are excellent, it has support for just about anything you typically need, and its cross-platform by default.
C# will exist 10 years from now. Don't delude yourself into thinking that MS will tank within a decade.
I think what he was talking about is whether MS will actively support and develop C# in 10 years. Look what happened to VB, they abandoned it to move on to the next big thing (VB.Net is not the same language as VB and it certainly isn't compatible). What's to say they won't abandon C# so they can sell the next big thing to their customers by forcing them to upgrade due to lack of support for the older tech? In fact, history shows that this is what they do.
Sure, there is the Mono implementation, but what if you are relying on MS-only libraries or Mono isn't enough for whatever reason, you're shit out of luck. And if Novell gives up on Mono, and no one takes over, you're especially out of luck unless you have the resources to continue its development yourself.
"Change it yourself" is like saying "if skinheads painted Nazi slogans on your house wall, just repaint it". Is that really OK and is all that should be done? Nobody should be pursued for this?
Flawed analogy because vandalism is illegal in any case. You can be painting cute teddy bears on someone's house wall and its still illegal.
Your analogy would work if it was a public wall where you were allowed to paint whatever you want (there are some cities that have such a thing). But now imagine that the paint was given to you free and painting over it only cost your time.
Honestly, if Red Hat or some other Linux companies invested in more X coders and hired more developers to work on this project. We could have a modern desktop comparable to OS X and Vista within a year. However I doubt this will ever happen.
True enough. Unfortunately Red Hat is too interested in the server market and not-so-interested in the desktop market.
If it's "good enough" for you, then you are exactly the person too close to things to see how bad they suck.
I own a Mac and thing OS X is highly overrated. Does that mean all those people claiming OS X is the best thing since sliced bread are wrong?
I actually thought my opinion on OS X was more due to me not spending enough time learning it, and for being to way too familiar and efficient with Linux to adapt to something different, but hey.. Maybe all the Macheads are in denial and I'm the one who is seeing OS X for the mediocre software that it really is.
(personally I think all operating systems and their GUI's suck these days, but that's another discussion)
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Most complaints I hear about it have to do with that vacuuming thing and clustering issues. ...and speed of course. Never used PostgreSQL though *ducks*
The vacuum thing is not so much an issue with recent versions as there is an option to setup automatic vacuuming.
Writely is based upon ASP.NET.
Will this save them appreciable time? They will have to do a rewrite or be based on Microsoft technology (yeah, right).
I doubt they will do a rewrite. Probably get it running in Mono/Linux if anything. Orkut is written in ASP.Net, but I believe they run it in Mono/Linux.
Google (or MS?) would be smart to purchase a company like Digg to feed into their search results. Let people figure out what links are relevant or not.
Yeah, because a large group of 12-14 year olds should decide what's relevant.
They'd actually have a chance at this if they are using Linux or BSD on the servers for their search engine.
And then when the kids get out into the big bad world and realise that most companies are using this completely different OS called Windows, that'll set them in good stead for getting a job. You linux freaks are willing to gamble with kids' futures just to get more people using your wanky OS.
Yeah, because being exposed to TRS-80's, Atari ST's and other Atari computers, Apple IIe's, UNIX, DOS, etc did so much harm to my ability to use Windows. Do you honestly think young children should have training on Windows? Do you think Windows is going to be dominant OS 10-15 years from now when these children enter the workforce? From the submission, it sounds like these computers are being used for educational software, not training children to be Windows monkeys.
The only issue I see here is how the teachers/staff will respond to a change.
myspace has the option of making a profile "friends only", though only a couple of people use that option.
The only way to do this is to set your age to 15. If you know another way, please let me know, I'd like to make my profile private.
Is it wrong for me to feel used and abused at the idea that Microsoft wants to charge for this service? I have seen arguments both ways, but I can't help but feel that charging for such a service amounts to little more than extortion. I mean, it's their operating system, and problems with their code that *often* (but not always) allows for these problems in the first place, so why should I have to pay extra for protection from malware that should have been stopped to begin with?
The answer is simple: don't buy Windows
Have you forwarded ports? sounds like that might help if you havnt allready
Yes, I almost mentioned that. If you are behind a firewall or NAT appliance, make sure the port for BT is open or forwarded. That helps speed up BT considerably.
Granted, I've only used a handful of bittorrent clients, but my biggest complaint with most is that they use the majority of my bandwidth, and I can't even get google to load when I have them open, let alone most other sites.
This is more than likely because you are using up all your upstream bandwidth. Limit your upstream to something under your max and you should be fine. You can also limit downstream, but that's less likely to be a problem.
I have 40KB upstream max with my cable service, and I limit it to 25KB and have never had any slowdown problems after doing so. BT never approaches my ~500KB downstream max, so I've never had to limit that. I use Azureus as my client.
While both .NET and Java are free, the application servers they run on are not. For ASP.NET, IIS is the application server. For Java/J2EE, it could be Web Sphere or a variety of others. In pretty much every case a Windows license will be a lot cheaper than the license for the J2EE app server... especially Web Sphere.
.Net tools. I know because I develop in both for a living.
.Net, but it'll be a while before .Net really picks up. I'm interested in how Mono will progress. I think once Mono has a great open source IDE like Java does (Eclipse) we might see things take off, but it won't be that attractive for Java programmers until that happens.
This is not true. There are a few free/open source J2EE app servers such as JBoss, Jonas, and eventually Geronimo. That's assuming your app doesn't run in a servlet container like Tomcat (which is a current trend because people are abandoning EJB's because most projects don't need them). These days, a lot of Java development is done in an almost completely open source environment. Linux, Eclipse (IDE), Tomcat (container). Libraries such as Spring, Hibernate, iBatis, etc. Take your pick of open source database if you want (PostgreSQL, MySQL, Firebird). The only thing that can't be open source is the JVM (and JDK), but it is free as in beer. There is Kaffe and GNU Classpath, if you really want 100% open source, but they are not capable enough.
Although the CLR has advantages over the JVM, and Java has catching up to do in some areas, the open source tools in Java I described runs circles around Microsoft's
These tools are slowly being ported over to
Now, they're not using hardware that's all that outdated. We're talking 400-500 MHz Intel or AMD based systems. They're still quite usable as development systems. That is, of course, unless you want to use Eclipse.
I was talking to one such developer who said he used EMACS for his Java development just because it ran far better on his system than Eclipse did. While Eclipse may be a good platform for some, it still does lack in the area of performance and the efficient use of resources.
For running Eclipse RAM is the important part. CPU is not so relevant. If you have 512 MB it runs very smoothly regardless of how slow the CPU is. Of course some 400-500 MHz machines don't even support 5128 MB.
It could even run Windows. It sounds like what they're saying is that people (such as yourself) expect it to be a fully functional laptop when in fact it is limited in what it can do.
Forget Windows, if it can get a Linux or BSD on it and be able to do all the command-line text-mode stuff, this would be sweet.
Replace what the other guy said "I'd only need notepad anyway." with "I'd only need vi or Emacs anyway."
GoDaddy can GoFuckThemSelves
An "I can't be affected by a virus" is a very arrogant attitude to have these days.
How about an "I'm not very likely to be affected by a virus" attitude?orBut seriously, on a Windows PC I don't bother with realtime scanners (of any kind, virus or spyware). If a zero-day exploit is gonna get past it, what is the point in taking the performance penalty anyway? I only run a nightly ClamAV scan, that's it. It's a slight risk, but one I'm willing to accept considering how I use my PC. Most exploits happen through Internet Explorer, official IM clients like AIM, and mail trojans and other kinds of trojans; and none of those affect me.
It sounds like you do have to have an iPod (or at least iTunes) to be able to listen to a "podcast." Otherwise it's just an audio download without all the automation.
Sounds like you do, but that's certainly not the case. You just need a program capable of reading RSS, and downloading sound files based on the downloaded RSS. There are plenty of programs out there that let you subscribe, download, and listen to "podcasts" without iTunes or an iPod. It's a misleading word, and WILL mislead people into thinking they need an iPod, when all they need is a computer, some software, and maybe a portable music player (but not necessarilly).
Apple didn't invent the word "podcast." As to what "should" or "should not" be part of a language, that wreaks of the same elitism that leads the French government to have a ministry of language.
Unintentional marketing gimmick. The fact of the matter is you don't need an iPod to listen to a podcast. Sure, you can say POD stands for "Personal, On-Demand" but the word came from "iPod" and implies "iPod" regardless of how you want to reinterpret it. It's misleading, and it's free advertising for Apple, regardless of whether they created it or not. Seems more elitist to use the word than to question its validity.
who asks what the fuck is a lifehack?!???
Convenience. Back in the early 90s, I remember many remarks like yours about the new WWW. "Can someone explain to me the difference between this new trendy "world wide web" and just downloading files by ftp? It's only text and gifs anyway". Yes podcasts are all just mp3s and xml. They're also one hell of a lot more convenient, in the same way that anyone sane would rather go to www.site.com/index.html instead of manually downloading some text with references to half a dozen images and then go hunting down the images it referred to.
Podcast = find a show you like, subscribe. listen.
That's all fine and well, but why the fuck would they add it to the dictionary? If it was a word like "audiocast" I could understand (which actually means what it is), but "podcast" is too much an advertisement for "iPod". People will (and do) think you need an iPod to be able to listen to a podcast, when the reality is people are calling any kind of audio streaming or download a "podcast". It's a marketting gimmick that shouldn't be part of language.
It's the same way when I show people Windows Remote Desktop.... they act like it's a big deal.
Unix had "remote destop technology" before most Unix users could afford computer monitors.
Are they amazed by it because its a remote desktop or its so fast its like using the machine locally, even with a low bandwidth connection? Remote desktop technology has been around for ages, but what's amazing about RDC is its speed. NoMachine NX is comparable in speed. But take straight X remoting or VNC and they are laughably slow in comparison.
"from the welcome-to-the-world-of-tomorrow dept"? More like welcome to unix of yesteryear. What's with the kid that always crosses the finish line last and somehow always gets perceived as the leader?
My question is when is OS X going to stop requiring reboots for upgrades? It's just as bad if not worse in OS X.
I think the reason for this is that the development tools for Windows are FAR more advanced than their Linux counterparts.
i.e. Visual Basic. (eeew). But for Linux? Well, there's Gambas, but Gambas is _NOT_ sourcecode compatible with Visual Basic.
What we need is a RAD-application that, besides having database support, is cross-platform. We need a tool so easy that Joe Programmers can compile a cross-platform application from either Windows or Linux.
Why not just write Java apps and be done with it? The tools are excellent, it has support for just about anything you typically need, and its cross-platform by default.
C# will exist 10 years from now. Don't delude yourself into thinking that MS will tank within a decade.
I think what he was talking about is whether MS will actively support and develop C# in 10 years. Look what happened to VB, they abandoned it to move on to the next big thing (VB.Net is not the same language as VB and it certainly isn't compatible). What's to say they won't abandon C# so they can sell the next big thing to their customers by forcing them to upgrade due to lack of support for the older tech? In fact, history shows that this is what they do.
Sure, there is the Mono implementation, but what if you are relying on MS-only libraries or Mono isn't enough for whatever reason, you're shit out of luck. And if Novell gives up on Mono, and no one takes over, you're especially out of luck unless you have the resources to continue its development yourself.
"Change it yourself" is like saying "if skinheads painted Nazi slogans on your house wall, just repaint it". Is that really OK and is all that should be done? Nobody should be pursued for this?
Flawed analogy because vandalism is illegal in any case. You can be painting cute teddy bears on someone's house wall and its still illegal.
Your analogy would work if it was a public wall where you were allowed to paint whatever you want (there are some cities that have such a thing). But now imagine that the paint was given to you free and painting over it only cost your time.
Honestly, if Red Hat or some other Linux companies invested in more X coders and hired more developers to work on this project. We could have a modern desktop comparable to OS X and Vista within a year. However I doubt this will ever happen.
True enough. Unfortunately Red Hat is too interested in the server market and not-so-interested in the desktop market.
If it's "good enough" for you, then you are exactly the person too close to things to see how bad they suck.
I own a Mac and thing OS X is highly overrated. Does that mean all those people claiming OS X is the best thing since sliced bread are wrong?
I actually thought my opinion on OS X was more due to me not spending enough time learning it, and for being to way too familiar and efficient with Linux to adapt to something different, but hey.. Maybe all the Macheads are in denial and I'm the one who is seeing OS X for the mediocre software that it really is.
(personally I think all operating systems and their GUI's suck these days, but that's another discussion)