Or do you use apt, up2date, emerge...? I'm not clear on how this differs from Windows Update
That means you can go to an FTP mirror site containing directory with updates. Download everything and update a fresh instalation (let's say - RHL9) within few minutes. By hand.
Also names of updates are not criptic - f.e. "MSK472194-adsa;lslkfdMSIE.exe" - but they are simply package-version, and if you see that version is different you just update and forget. Also no need for reboots (to be honest - ONE reboot when you update kernel and that is it).
There are even more options - with RHL you can make custom instalation CD (with everything patched OOTB) very simply.
Now do that with Windows. Patching should be easy - that doesn't mean it should be easy to an idiot but technologicaly complicated. It should be simple, as simple as files in directory, grab patch, install it with one command and you're done. Now do that in Windows.
Just put a website informing of means (with links) to avoid these popups: alternative browser - there are plenty of them: Avant Browser, MyIE, Mozilla, Opera etc. And let them choose by themself. It is not in ISP buissnes what an user is doing with his (or her) own bandwith - mind that. AFAIR Google Toolbar also blocks popups and it does not involve switching browser (which my problematic) - it just works and weights about 500KB.
I spent a few long hours recently trying to get the old drivers to work with Fedora Core 1 so I'm going to hold off on these new ones.
Actualy HOW? These drivers and installer are *very* well made and documented. I don't see any potential problems... Only one - FC1 uses different compiler (gcc32) for kernel and modules and you'll need to use gcc32 (export CC=gcc32 before launching the installer). Thats it! Of course you also need to have kernel source package (as stated in Fine Documentation) but trying to install kernel-source rpm will tell you to install gcc32 (and addons) - so what is the problem here? When you try to compile with wrong compiler. You'll get error message stating that the compiler version is wrong... I really don't understand what can be the problem with installing nvidia kernel module... Especialy for Slashdot editor.:-PP
Oh and if you REALLY don't want to compile anything, just grab (if you trust them, works fine for me) RPMS from here:
Actualy every hardware set vendor *wants* to provide patched systems. Since there is no monopoly on this market they are forced to compete. And providing patched systems gives them advantage over others - selling patched systems they can claim: "Our systems are more secure since they are patched OOTB what makes us better than competition". The problem is SP2 is not yet released as it should be. Selling system patched with SP1 does not really mean nothing - stil few serious flaws aboard (RPC).
they recompiled apache so it doesn't reveal the host OS
You don't have to recompile Apache to make it not reveal OS. ServerTokens (AFAIR) Directive is for setting this. Rather you need to recompile kernels to spoof TCP/IP fingerprints that are used to reveal OS running on host.
Does anybody know anything about it?
Anaconda does support text install, also an unnatended instal via kickstart. It is not about GUI but about having a good flexible (easy to use but powerful) installer. Personaly i find Anaconda (since I'am Red Hat's user) very good, but important thing is that Anaconda support less architectures then Debian Installer (i don't know if Anaconda supports anything more than i386?).
Anaconda text mode is suitable for people having older machines since grapchical mode requires 64MB RAM, text mode only 32MB.
Sheeesh, and FYI as the case has been discussed long ago. Windows CE in BMW was not controlling any of thing that failed (AC, locking door etc.) it only controled Hi-Fi and navigation.
Packages?! Duh. FYI you do NOT need all those 3 CD, you can safely install with only first CD (minimal install takes, as said in release notes about 0,5GB) and then get rest of packages You need from network (via yum f.e.). To do so (minimal instal) just uncheck all package groups - that will leave you with a quite standard set [1] of base tools.
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[1] And i mean standard - that will give you everything you need to operate your system (ftp client, pppd, pppd-oe in case you have an ADSL and so on). This set is quite useful in my eyes. But if You don't like it, stop bitchin' and get Debian or smth.
I don't know if you ever installed any red hat's beta release but in phoebe and severn (both using new - gtk2 anaconda) there were just nifty photos of red hat's company (building), some nature, people from red hat instead adds...
StarOffice 7 has a database component (AdabasD) that is not OSS
AdabasD is not native component of SO. It comes as an aditional software also AFAIR version shipped with SO is kinda limited (5 concurent connections or so)... But you can always get the same AdabasD (as shipped with SO) for free:
Has the start-up time been reduced for this release?
You always can just preload it on startup of yours X session, it takes ~20MB of RAM but "starting" OOo is just about as fast as opening a new document...
Just try:
$ ooffice -plugin -quickstart &
You may need to create a script to handle that since it gets unloaded of memory in about twenty minutes (thats weird...) so use a loop.:-)
PS. I don't know if it works with 1.1 but it should, i've been doing it sucessfuly with 1.0.x...
Most distributions do. With redhat you can subscribe to the redhat network, and with debian, its package manager, apt-get has this built in.
I've used aptrpm for Red Hat Linux for quite a long time and it is great. Up2date seriously sucks...
the only time you ever need to boot is if you update the kernel
Not realy so:-), since Linux kernel is modular, you don't even have to reboot your system to fix some (even the last critical bug - ptrace - could be handled that way) issues. But this is certainly not the way that packages are made - they are monolithic. But if you must to have your systems up (!rebooted) you can fix almost everything using modules that for example catch the calls for buggy function etc.
Something obvious as "Mailer" and "Browser" - still "Browser" is too obscure - let's call it "Internet" and the mailer app - just "Mail"... Even smarter than "Wodr". But "Excell" is kinda stupid - what does it means? And "Outlook"? Don't even ask... Yeah I know -/me trollin;-)
Speaking about their (MDK) new up-coming distro - will they include OpenOffice.org 1.1 to final release. OOo should be ready till then, and if we are talking about desktop for me it's one of most important Linux (in general OSS/FS) software piece. Even more important then new GNOME or KDE. They should include it or wait some time and then include it. If, they don't that will turnout that Mandrake 9.2 will be the distro without new OOo and all the others wich do have OOo will be the ones with OOo. If you know what i mean.:-)
Thats Simple:
In GNU/Linux most of things concerning security are done beacouse they'r needed. F.E. Some code can be possibbly buggy, so a bunch of people/firms/institutions/whatever before they start using this given software, they make an audit of code, and any posibble holes are fixed etc. Most of cracker attacks compromising Linux are related with simply people not installing patches or buggy not updatet OS scripts running their websites etc.
Windows also could be fixed but M$ won't fix it! Beacouse they don't want to. Beacouse this would break compatibility (which still tends to be more important to them than security issues) etc. I'am talking about those holes in MSOE, MSOffice that existed long time and still aren't fixed etc. these holes/dangers are still there!!! Next thing is about updates. Windows is harder to maintain. Still nobody wan't to install tons of single, so called "patches" beacouse they may make the system unusable (Yes! they may do that!) or this is just uncomfortable to instal 100 patches. So people think "If it works - leave it as is... Till it works". Still M$ delays SP2 (so called "cummulative patch") for Windows XP due to "unknown reasons" etc. - this is riddiculus! Vendors WANT cumulative patches so they can sell a system patched OOTB. So do users - users WANT cumulative patches so they can patch their system easly etc. M$ is talking bullshitt about their Trusthworthly Computing bla bla but these are just words - security means that you must drop some compatibility issues and user friendly features due to have a more secure system. F.E. make Windows work nicely without running everything on an super-user "Administrator" account.
PS. Sorry for my English - I'am not native English speaker.
> shutdown/a
BEFORE connecting to Internet You can change RPC Service settings to not allow it to reboot your machine. But still i think it would be more comfy to boot your favourite distro, download patches, removal tool (links in article above) and some good windooze firewall software (it was called kyerio or something), and than put it on windoze partition and install/patch/fix it running win offline.
Slashdot Mirror
That means you can go to an FTP mirror site containing directory with updates. Download everything and update a fresh instalation (let's say - RHL9) within few minutes. By hand.
Also names of updates are not criptic - f.e. "MSK472194-adsa;lslkfdMSIE.exe" - but they are simply package-version, and if you see that version is different you just update and forget. Also no need for reboots (to be honest - ONE reboot when you update kernel and that is it).
There are even more options - with RHL you can make custom instalation CD (with everything patched OOTB) very simply.
Now do that with Windows. Patching should be easy - that doesn't mean it should be easy to an idiot but technologicaly complicated. It should be simple, as simple as files in directory, grab patch, install it with one command and you're done. Now do that in Windows.
http://www.gnome.org/~drc/gimp-rpms/ - here you go...
Cheers.
Just put a website informing of means (with links) to avoid these popups: alternative browser - there are plenty of them: Avant Browser, MyIE, Mozilla, Opera etc. And let them choose by themself. It is not in ISP buissnes what an user is doing with his (or her) own bandwith - mind that. AFAIR Google Toolbar also blocks popups and it does not involve switching browser (which my problematic) - it just works and weights about 500KB.
Actualy HOW? These drivers and installer are *very* well made and documented. I don't see any potential problems... Only one - FC1 uses different compiler (gcc32) for kernel and modules and you'll need to use gcc32 (export CC=gcc32 before launching the installer). Thats it! Of course you also need to have kernel source package (as stated in Fine Documentation) but trying to install kernel-source rpm will tell you to install gcc32 (and addons) - so what is the problem here? When you try to compile with wrong compiler. You'll get error message stating that the compiler version is wrong... I really don't understand what can be the problem with installing nvidia kernel module... Especialy for Slashdot editor. :-PP
Oh and if you REALLY don't want to compile anything, just grab (if you trust them, works fine for me) RPMS from here:
http://www2.educ.umu.se/~peter/nvidia/
Try to find a commercial Gtk app.
VMWare, Loki Games installer.
Actualy every hardware set vendor *wants* to provide patched systems. Since there is no monopoly on this market they are forced to compete. And providing patched systems gives them advantage over others - selling patched systems they can claim: "Our systems are more secure since they are patched OOTB what makes us better than competition". The problem is SP2 is not yet released as it should be. Selling system patched with SP1 does not really mean nothing - stil few serious flaws aboard (RPC).
they recompiled apache so it doesn't reveal the host OS
You don't have to recompile Apache to make it not reveal OS. ServerTokens (AFAIR) Directive is for setting this. Rather you need to recompile kernels to spoof TCP/IP fingerprints that are used to reveal OS running on host.
Does anybody know anything about it?
Anaconda does support text install, also an unnatended instal via kickstart. It is not about GUI but about having a good flexible (easy to use but powerful) installer. Personaly i find Anaconda (since I'am Red Hat's user) very good, but important thing is that Anaconda support less architectures then Debian Installer (i don't know if Anaconda supports anything more than i386?).
Anaconda text mode is suitable for people having older machines since grapchical mode requires 64MB RAM, text mode only 32MB.
Sheeesh, and FYI as the case has been discussed long ago. Windows CE in BMW was not controlling any of thing that failed (AC, locking door etc.) it only controled Hi-Fi and navigation.
Packages?! Duh. FYI you do NOT need all those 3 CD, you can safely install with only first CD (minimal install takes, as said in release notes about 0,5GB) and then get rest of packages You need from network (via yum f.e.). To do so (minimal instal) just uncheck all package groups - that will leave you with a quite standard set [1] of base tools.
_____
[1] And i mean standard - that will give you everything you need to operate your system (ftp client, pppd, pppd-oe in case you have an ADSL and so on). This set is quite useful in my eyes. But if You don't like it, stop bitchin' and get Debian or smth.
Thank God they did it! Think what would happen if they implemented their own stack. That is what for BSD license is - to keep standards.
Do not tell Steevie(B@m$ft.org) 'bout it.
I don't know if you ever installed any red hat's beta release but in phoebe and severn (both using new - gtk2 anaconda) there were just nifty photos of red hat's company (building), some nature, people from red hat instead adds...
AdabasD is not native component of SO. It comes as an aditional software also AFAIR version shipped with SO is kinda limited (5 concurent connections or so)... But you can always get the same AdabasD (as shipped with SO) for free:
http://www.softwareag.com/adabasd/
But under limited license...
You always can just preload it on startup of yours X session, it takes ~20MB of RAM but "starting" OOo is just about as fast as opening a new document...
Just try:
You may need to create a script to handle that since it gets unloaded of memory in about twenty minutes (thats weird...) so use a loop.PS. I don't know if it works with 1.1 but it should, i've been doing it sucessfuly with 1.0.x...
I've used aptrpm for Red Hat Linux for quite a long time and it is great. Up2date seriously sucks...
the only time you ever need to boot is if you update the kernel
Not realy so :-), since Linux kernel is modular, you don't even have to reboot your system to fix some (even the last critical bug - ptrace - could be handled that way) issues. But this is certainly not the way that packages are made - they are monolithic. But if you must to have your systems up (!rebooted) you can fix almost everything using modules that for example catch the calls for buggy function etc.
Something obvious as "Mailer" and "Browser" - still "Browser" is too obscure - let's call it "Internet" and the mailer app - just "Mail"... Even smarter than "Wodr". But "Excell" is kinda stupid - what does it means? And "Outlook"? Don't even ask... Yeah I know - /me trollin ;-)
Speaking about their (MDK) new up-coming distro - will they include OpenOffice.org 1.1 to final release. OOo should be ready till then, and if we are talking about desktop for me it's one of most important Linux (in general OSS/FS) software piece. Even more important then new GNOME or KDE. They should include it or wait some time and then include it. If, they don't that will turnout that Mandrake 9.2 will be the distro without new OOo and all the others wich do have OOo will be the ones with OOo. If you know what i mean. :-)
Thats Simple: In GNU/Linux most of things concerning security are done beacouse they'r needed. F.E. Some code can be possibbly buggy, so a bunch of people/firms/institutions/whatever before they start using this given software, they make an audit of code, and any posibble holes are fixed etc. Most of cracker attacks compromising Linux are related with simply people not installing patches or buggy not updatet OS scripts running their websites etc. Windows also could be fixed but M$ won't fix it! Beacouse they don't want to. Beacouse this would break compatibility (which still tends to be more important to them than security issues) etc. I'am talking about those holes in MSOE, MSOffice that existed long time and still aren't fixed etc. these holes/dangers are still there!!! Next thing is about updates. Windows is harder to maintain. Still nobody wan't to install tons of single, so called "patches" beacouse they may make the system unusable (Yes! they may do that!) or this is just uncomfortable to instal 100 patches. So people think "If it works - leave it as is... Till it works". Still M$ delays SP2 (so called "cummulative patch") for Windows XP due to "unknown reasons" etc. - this is riddiculus! Vendors WANT cumulative patches so they can sell a system patched OOTB. So do users - users WANT cumulative patches so they can patch their system easly etc. M$ is talking bullshitt about their Trusthworthly Computing bla bla but these are just words - security means that you must drop some compatibility issues and user friendly features due to have a more secure system. F.E. make Windows work nicely without running everything on an super-user "Administrator" account. PS. Sorry for my English - I'am not native English speaker.
> shutdown /a
BEFORE connecting to Internet You can change RPC Service settings to not allow it to reboot your machine. But still i think it would be more comfy to boot your favourite distro, download patches, removal tool (links in article above) and some good windooze firewall software (it was called kyerio or something), and than put it on windoze partition and install/patch/fix it running win offline.
Once Cormack nearly bashed DirectX as it sucks a lot.