Damn, and I just lost my moderator points... I guess I'll have to stick with the old standby of fuck you. Just keep that in mind next time someone breaks into your house.
Oh shit, the 'slippey slope'...
Slippery slopes often have more of a foothold than people think. Finding spammers and publishing their email addresses and maybe even phone numbers would do a lot to stop the bullshit. Before you ask, no I don't want my personal info printed for all to see. That's why I don't piss them off.
It's not that crazy. It's a law on the books to keep dipshits like your friend friend from running around shooting shit up. Having a gun and using it are two different things, and it is up to the officer on the scene generally to decide whether or not to bother charging someone with a crime. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot him in the foot, when the cops come to haul his ass off the officer can, at his discretion, not charge you with anything. Someone higher up than him might change their mind later, but I doubt it.
Against whom, you might ask? The goverment, that's who.
Incorrect. Sort of. It's to defend everyone against anything that they need defending against, not any one specific thing. Since the second amendment specifically states that a militia is neccesary for a free society (which may or may not be true today) it is implied that the right to keep and bear arms is intended to keep out OTHER country's goverments (such as England).
I've lived here all my life and haven't ever even been near someone brandishing a firearm in a dangerous manner, and I live in Texas. What kind of broken-down shithole were you staying in, dude?
How often do you know several people who have in common being victims of such a terrible crime? It's a pattern
I personally know of several people, and can name many others, that have been abused by their stepfathers. Is this an indication that all stepfathers are pedophile rapists? No, it is not.
Which simply isn't reality for most working musicians. You have to be on some sound-ass financial ground to start delving into that shit and that's someplace most dudes I know sadly can't go.:\
I always suspected it, now I'm sure you're a dumbass. Talent means dick in the music business. How the fuck do you think it got the way it is now in the first place? Go check out the sales figures for artists like John Vanderslice, Anamude... fuck, ANYTHING on any smaller indie label. 5,000 isn't a small amount. 5,000 is a fucking success and a half. 20,000 is more than enough to fund and entire fucking label for a year. Pull your head out, and go talk to some real musicians in your area.
Obviously you know nothing about how quickly people get tired of their musican friends and relatives parasiting off of them when they actually start bringing in money.
Actually, I do, but the exact opposite. I was the one making money, and also the musician. You're forgetting the distinction between WORKING musician and LAZY BASTARD musician.;)
See above. I'd do a fan site for nothing. Once it's asking for money, I want a cut.
Agreed. For example, I'm a guitar tech by day. All my friends and bandmates get their shit worked on for free, under the stipulation that if they ever need a touring tech that I'm the guy.;)
What's a band that's gigging regularly going to put on their fan site that'll attract people who weren't at their gigs? If you're gigging, you're not working on new material. If you're not putting new material on your site, who's going to subscribe?
Ah, the $50,000 question. Frankly, I have no clue what you could offer. But you're thinking we gig 24/7 and don't have time to write. It doesn't work like that. No, you're not working on new material during the gig. Directly before and after going on and coming off stage you do have time to work on new material. Hell, if you're in a jazz band or something like that your whole gig may be made up on the spot.
I take the point that for small bands, this might - might - provide some extra income, but I suspect that it will be beer and guitar strings money, not apartment rent or healthcare money. Heck, go ahead and prove me wrong.
And with this statement, you hit the nail on the head. Any income from a website would be supplemental, an addition to whatever I make at my day job. It would in fact be string money but you have to remember that strings, heads, sticks, cables, and other things that wear out aren't exactly cheap. Every little bit helps when you're trying to hold down a job and have you band fund itself.
Here's a news flash for those of you that just don't get it.
Musicians are not rock stars. Rock stars can be and usually are musicians. The difference is that most musicians don't snort coke off of hookers asses, we don't drive Mercedes, we don't jump off of hotel balconies and into the wedding reception below (except on a dare, but that doesn't count). We're closer to IT nerds than you may think. We're all social outcasts in one way or another, turning to our hobbies to give us some kind of acceptance to the world at large. I started playing guitar because I didn't have anything else to do, no friends, and really didn't want any. The day I picked up a guitar I knew I'd found what I'd do for the rest of my life. I assume it was that way with most of you here the first time you typed 20 GOTO 10. The difference being that I didn't have to go to school to learn what I know and I didn't come out of college into an industry where, according to some figures I've seen here, $60,000 a year 'isn't that much'.
Musicians usually work regular jobs. I know a guy down here in Dallas whose band has opened for a number of national acts, has headlined 2,000 seat venues (which were packed) and still he drives a forklift every day. He has endorsement deals with several companies, but all this gets him is some cheap gear. His band's CD's sell reasonably well around here and his band gets constant attention from the local radio stations on their local music shows. Yet he still drives a forklift, and his wife works too.
This isn't supposed to be a "Save the Musicians" cry for help. The dude does good for himself, but I hope you see my point. Playing music is a labor of love for most of us, not a way to make money. Buried in one of these threads someone mentions that $2,410 a month isn't much money. No, it's not if you're trying to divide it and live off of it. It IS a lot if you're simply funding a band with it. With $2,410 a month you could easily pay for all the regular expenses (strings, sticks, heads, new gear in general) and still have money left over to buy a GOOD van. In short, the $2,000 you'd get from your fans would end up paying for everything you did as a band.
Yes, I care if you hear it. Yes, I'd prefer you buy it. When you do it helps me make more stuff. For working musicians, CD sales cover everything from van repairs to strings and sticks. Same with other merch like shirts and hats. Just keep in mind that few bands reach the point where they can quit their day jobs and concentrate solely on music full time.
We're not talking about a fucking business here. This isn't a fucking dotcom startup. This is a music related website. Health care? Office costs? The vast majority of WORKING MUSICIANS (not ROCK STARS, mind you) only have healt care through their work (most have day jobs) and office costs are nothing since they have a job. $2,410 is more than what most musicians I know make per month. We're not all snorting cocaine off of hookers asses, you know? The majority of us have day jobs, bills to pay, houses to pay for, and hopefully have working spouses or live with bandmates to cut costs. Being in a working band is just that, work. Only you have to do it in addition to your normal job if you want to eat more than Ramen noodles.
Bullshit. I don't know where you live, but there sure as fuck aren't any bands around here that can sell 5000 copies of anyfuckingthing. Not only that, but $60,000 is more than enough to feed, clothe, house, restring, and rehead at least 4 musicians for a year. That's $15,000 a year, per person. Probably not enough if you're living in NYC, but in any sanely priced part of the world that's just fine for a musician who most likely is living with either his girlfriend or one or more bandmates.
That's 60 metric kilobucks/year. You're sooo dead on that amount, it'd barely (if at all) pay the infrastructure. IMO, a fair charge for "premium" content, in our case music files, is absolutely necessary; otherwise, you'd charge the whole comunity for those who actually use the bandwidth.
Obviously you know nothing of the dollar stretching power of musicians.;) Most groups I know have friends or relatives that do the website. No high-dollar web dork to pay. Server cost is negligible. We're not talking fuckin' Metallica here, alright? At worst you're looking at maybe a few thousand page views a month combined with a couple of hundred song downloads. A band that gigs regularly and has a fairly sizable local following will easily cover bandwidth in one or two nights.
And if the band is big enough to have a subscription based service dedicated to them, they're most likely already past the point of caring about stupid little things like bandwidth charges and are more concerned with buying a new Mercees.
Can't shop for cars on Sundays? What bullshit backwater part of Texas do you live in? Here in the D/FW area, you can shop for anything you want. Cars, hammers, ass vibrators...
No, it's based on my previous job where the fuckstick in charge worked roughly 10:00AM to 3:00PM, every fucking day. I don't give a shit how much money someone makes as long as they fucking earn it, and that cock definitely did not (he ran the company into the ground then split before he could take it in the ass with the rest of the employees).
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Doesn't know as much about WHAT? I'd like to see some of the stickboy nerds I know drive a forklift or haul 80 pounds boxes on their back.:D
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Yeah, working a shitty job for a bunch of cocksuckers that don't give a shit about you is REALLY going to help you get ahead, isn't it? For your hard work you get a $0.50 raise, one week of vacation a year, and a kick in the ass and a pink slip if you're late. Bullshit. There's a difference between working hard to get ahead and working hard for no fucking reason at all, which is what most people do.
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Damn, and I just lost my moderator points... I guess I'll have to stick with the old standby of fuck you. Just keep that in mind next time someone breaks into your house.
So the whole cloning dinosaurs thing is completely alright?
Wow, good question. Okay, how about the option to mod -1 Paranoid or +1 Paranoid? ;)
Dude, if my friends were sending out a few million spams a day I'd be the first in line to kick their ass. ;)
Stories posted in the YRO section should have an option to moderate comments as "Paranoid".
Oh shit, the 'slippey slope'... Slippery slopes often have more of a foothold than people think. Finding spammers and publishing their email addresses and maybe even phone numbers would do a lot to stop the bullshit. Before you ask, no I don't want my personal info printed for all to see. That's why I don't piss them off.
Ummm.... so? It's like the word BOXEN. And Beowulf cluster jokes... and Soviet Russia jokes...
It's not that crazy. It's a law on the books to keep dipshits like your friend friend from running around shooting shit up. Having a gun and using it are two different things, and it is up to the officer on the scene generally to decide whether or not to bother charging someone with a crime. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot him in the foot, when the cops come to haul his ass off the officer can, at his discretion, not charge you with anything. Someone higher up than him might change their mind later, but I doubt it.
Against whom, you might ask? The goverment, that's who.
Incorrect. Sort of. It's to defend everyone against anything that they need defending against, not any one specific thing. Since the second amendment specifically states that a militia is neccesary for a free society (which may or may not be true today) it is implied that the right to keep and bear arms is intended to keep out OTHER country's goverments (such as England).
I've lived here all my life and haven't ever even been near someone brandishing a firearm in a dangerous manner, and I live in Texas. What kind of broken-down shithole were you staying in, dude?
Or he has kids that will bug the hell out of him until he takes them to see it.
So's yours, apparently.
How often do you know several people who have in common being victims of such a terrible crime? It's a pattern
I personally know of several people, and can name many others, that have been abused by their stepfathers. Is this an indication that all stepfathers are pedophile rapists? No, it is not.
Which simply isn't reality for most working musicians. You have to be on some sound-ass financial ground to start delving into that shit and that's someplace most dudes I know sadly can't go. :\
I always suspected it, now I'm sure you're a dumbass. Talent means dick in the music business. How the fuck do you think it got the way it is now in the first place? Go check out the sales figures for artists like John Vanderslice, Anamude... fuck, ANYTHING on any smaller indie label. 5,000 isn't a small amount. 5,000 is a fucking success and a half. 20,000 is more than enough to fund and entire fucking label for a year. Pull your head out, and go talk to some real musicians in your area.
Obviously you know nothing about how quickly people get tired of their musican friends and relatives parasiting off of them when they actually start bringing in money.
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Actually, I do, but the exact opposite. I was the one making money, and also the musician. You're forgetting the distinction between WORKING musician and LAZY BASTARD musician.
See above. I'd do a fan site for nothing. Once it's asking for money, I want a cut.
Agreed. For example, I'm a guitar tech by day. All my friends and bandmates get their shit worked on for free, under the stipulation that if they ever need a touring tech that I'm the guy.
What's a band that's gigging regularly going to put on their fan site that'll attract people who weren't at their gigs? If you're gigging, you're not working on new material. If you're not putting new material on your site, who's going to subscribe?
Ah, the $50,000 question. Frankly, I have no clue what you could offer. But you're thinking we gig 24/7 and don't have time to write. It doesn't work like that. No, you're not working on new material during the gig. Directly before and after going on and coming off stage you do have time to work on new material. Hell, if you're in a jazz band or something like that your whole gig may be made up on the spot.
I take the point that for small bands, this might - might - provide some extra income, but I suspect that it will be beer and guitar strings money, not apartment rent or healthcare money. Heck, go ahead and prove me wrong.
And with this statement, you hit the nail on the head. Any income from a website would be supplemental, an addition to whatever I make at my day job. It would in fact be string money but you have to remember that strings, heads, sticks, cables, and other things that wear out aren't exactly cheap. Every little bit helps when you're trying to hold down a job and have you band fund itself.
Here's a news flash for those of you that just don't get it. Musicians are not rock stars. Rock stars can be and usually are musicians. The difference is that most musicians don't snort coke off of hookers asses, we don't drive Mercedes, we don't jump off of hotel balconies and into the wedding reception below (except on a dare, but that doesn't count). We're closer to IT nerds than you may think. We're all social outcasts in one way or another, turning to our hobbies to give us some kind of acceptance to the world at large. I started playing guitar because I didn't have anything else to do, no friends, and really didn't want any. The day I picked up a guitar I knew I'd found what I'd do for the rest of my life. I assume it was that way with most of you here the first time you typed 20 GOTO 10. The difference being that I didn't have to go to school to learn what I know and I didn't come out of college into an industry where, according to some figures I've seen here, $60,000 a year 'isn't that much'. Musicians usually work regular jobs. I know a guy down here in Dallas whose band has opened for a number of national acts, has headlined 2,000 seat venues (which were packed) and still he drives a forklift every day. He has endorsement deals with several companies, but all this gets him is some cheap gear. His band's CD's sell reasonably well around here and his band gets constant attention from the local radio stations on their local music shows. Yet he still drives a forklift, and his wife works too. This isn't supposed to be a "Save the Musicians" cry for help. The dude does good for himself, but I hope you see my point. Playing music is a labor of love for most of us, not a way to make money. Buried in one of these threads someone mentions that $2,410 a month isn't much money. No, it's not if you're trying to divide it and live off of it. It IS a lot if you're simply funding a band with it. With $2,410 a month you could easily pay for all the regular expenses (strings, sticks, heads, new gear in general) and still have money left over to buy a GOOD van. In short, the $2,000 you'd get from your fans would end up paying for everything you did as a band.
Yes, I care if you hear it. Yes, I'd prefer you buy it. When you do it helps me make more stuff. For working musicians, CD sales cover everything from van repairs to strings and sticks. Same with other merch like shirts and hats. Just keep in mind that few bands reach the point where they can quit their day jobs and concentrate solely on music full time.
We're not talking about a fucking business here. This isn't a fucking dotcom startup. This is a music related website. Health care? Office costs? The vast majority of WORKING MUSICIANS (not ROCK STARS, mind you) only have healt care through their work (most have day jobs) and office costs are nothing since they have a job. $2,410 is more than what most musicians I know make per month. We're not all snorting cocaine off of hookers asses, you know? The majority of us have day jobs, bills to pay, houses to pay for, and hopefully have working spouses or live with bandmates to cut costs. Being in a working band is just that, work. Only you have to do it in addition to your normal job if you want to eat more than Ramen noodles.
Bullshit. I don't know where you live, but there sure as fuck aren't any bands around here that can sell 5000 copies of anyfuckingthing. Not only that, but $60,000 is more than enough to feed, clothe, house, restring, and rehead at least 4 musicians for a year. That's $15,000 a year, per person. Probably not enough if you're living in NYC, but in any sanely priced part of the world that's just fine for a musician who most likely is living with either his girlfriend or one or more bandmates.
That's 60 metric kilobucks/year. You're sooo dead on that amount, it'd barely (if at all) pay the infrastructure. IMO, a fair charge for "premium" content, in our case music files, is absolutely necessary; otherwise, you'd charge the whole comunity for those who actually use the bandwidth.
;) Most groups I know have friends or relatives that do the website. No high-dollar web dork to pay. Server cost is negligible. We're not talking fuckin' Metallica here, alright? At worst you're looking at maybe a few thousand page views a month combined with a couple of hundred song downloads. A band that gigs regularly and has a fairly sizable local following will easily cover bandwidth in one or two nights.
Obviously you know nothing of the dollar stretching power of musicians.
And if the band is big enough to have a subscription based service dedicated to them, they're most likely already past the point of caring about stupid little things like bandwidth charges and are more concerned with buying a new Mercees.
Can't shop for cars on Sundays? What bullshit backwater part of Texas do you live in? Here in the D/FW area, you can shop for anything you want. Cars, hammers, ass vibrators...
No, it's based on my previous job where the fuckstick in charge worked roughly 10:00AM to 3:00PM, every fucking day. I don't give a shit how much money someone makes as long as they fucking earn it, and that cock definitely did not (he ran the company into the ground then split before he could take it in the ass with the rest of the employees).
Doesn't know as much about WHAT? I'd like to see some of the stickboy nerds I know drive a forklift or haul 80 pounds boxes on their back. :D
Yeah, working a shitty job for a bunch of cocksuckers that don't give a shit about you is REALLY going to help you get ahead, isn't it? For your hard work you get a $0.50 raise, one week of vacation a year, and a kick in the ass and a pink slip if you're late. Bullshit. There's a difference between working hard to get ahead and working hard for no fucking reason at all, which is what most people do.