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I think you need to pull your head out. People are paid extra on Saturdays and Sundays because IT'S THE FUCKING WEEKEND. Compare a guy that works 5 days a week, 8-10 hours a day, who's making $8.50 an hour with someone that's making $65,000 a year no matter how often (or more to the point, RARELY) he decides to show up.
Exactly. Everyone forgets that the 'rock stars' account for maybe one tenth of one percent of the WORKING musicians out there. They don't seem to understand that being a musician and being a rock star are two different things. Musicians generally spend all day at work, the lucky ones only have to work part time, the even luckier ones don't HAVE to have a real job, but do so because it means more gear and extra shit. Writing music is not easy. Booking gigs can take hours of club owner harrassment a day. Loading up for a gig usually takes a couple of hours of hauling heavy-ass equipment around. Then you have to unload at the gig. Then reload afterwards. Then unload back home. If you are a working, gigging, musician it's HARD FUCKING WORK. There aren't any roadies to carry your shit. There aren't any green rooms full of free food and beer. There aren't any bigass paychecks waiting for you at home. All you have is maybe a couple of hundred bucks (if you're lucky) and hopefully the ability to go home knowing you put on a badass show, because at the REAL musician level that's all it's about.
Joe Smoe Band gets more money than Metallica, because they release their own shit so they clear $10 on every CD. Check 'em out sometime. Killer blues rock.;)
Seriously, the average royalty per CD is anywhere from $0.75 to $1.25. This is based on what I've gathered talking to people over the years.
No, because they don't want people downloading the one good song in a sea of 15 shitty ones for a dollar and instead want them to pay $18 for the whole CD. Do you seriously think that LINKIN PARK has an 'artistic standpoint'? I didn't think so.;)
It's obvious you know DICK about the record industry. Let me enlighten you.
On the average CD, the producers and engineers come out the best, money wise. They're paid flat fees and if they played their cards right, get a percentage from the profit. These fees vary quite a bit, so nailing down a number is tough. Figure $5,000 to $20,000 for a sizable indie release, to maybe $100,000 or better for a major label release. They are paid when the work is done. No waiting for royalties, no advances to pay back, none of the bullshit. If the CD doesn't sell well, the artists won't see a fucking dime. The engineers do. Periphery people (advertising and shit like that) don't even enter into the fucking equation as far as royalties. They're paid by someone else some other way.
You also seem to confuse shit like Britney Spears with REAL musical talent (I won't name names. That's too much of a matter of opinion). In a GOOD band, nobody is replaceable and their job is a fuckload more important than the engineers. ANY engineer will tell you that a great engineer can't make a shitty band good, but even a shitty engineer can make a good band sound good. There's just no way to fuck up talent.
It's closer to a dollar a CD. Just keep in mind that out of that dollar the band has to pay for paying back it's advance from the label, pay back all recording costs, and pay for any and all touring they do. I don't know any other business where the employees get fucked over so much.
It's usually less than that. Think MAYBE a dollar a CD. You have to remember, artists have to pay back their advance and all recording costs. Record labels will fuck bands out of anything and everything they can get away with, the greedy cunts. "I have no talent, no ambition, and wear a shitty suit. I deserver 80% of what you earn." Fuckers.
Artists have been doing it for years and the record companies don't care. You know why the companies don't care about self-produced stuff? BECAUSE NOBODY BUYS IT. There is no distribution, no promotion, no radio or MTV. There is no audience at all, whatsoever. The audience for the average self-produced CD is maybe a few hundred people, TOPS. You do get some exceptions (Ani DiFranco, for one) but they are very very few and far between.
You can't skip the labels. Unless, of course, you want to pay for your own advertising, merchandising, recording costs, new gear and keep the van running all on the $150 (or less) you make from each gig. Labels provide financial support.
I really, really, really don't get it. If he's that concerned about noise, buy a fucking eMachines. My parents bought one a few months back and while it's a POS technology wise (doesn't even have a fucking AGP slot *CRINGE*) it is dead SILENT.
I wish that I'd get a C&D from Blizzard, just so I could tell them to blow me. I'm single, stupid enough to defend myself, and have way too much time on my hands. See you in court, where I'll promptly shove my foot up your ass. Hugs and kisses.
It's already been proven in court that MS holds absolutely no copyright OR trademark on the word WINDOWS. This was covered a few months ago when MS sued Lindows. This does not mean you can call a dostro "Windows" as that would be misleading and deceptive.
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Oddly enough, the only problem I faced was having to drink water that was pumped straight out of a well, through a few miles of PVC pipe, and never filtered. THAT is worse than any withdrawl could ever be.;D
Re:How to deal with ADHD, please read.
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How your mind works (or doesn't, more likely) is completely different from the way everyone elses does. Quit being a cunt.
If caffeine caused mental problems, I'd be the fucking Rain Man of Dr Pepperville.
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I challenge you to try this with a psychiatrist. He'll see RIGHT THROUGH YOU... You'd have to be a very good actor with a VERY good understanding of the symptoms to pass...
Not if you find the right (or more appropriately, WRONG) doctor. My cousin was put on Ritalin simply because his mother found a doctor that would do so. It happens.
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Anyone else out there remember when you began taking the meds and all of a sudden you could focus on just what you wanted, instead of _everything_ going on around you?
Yeah, man, there were all these colors and dancing snakes with pickle loaf candysnaps. The sidewalks had lemon scented chalk on them, and the twirling monkeyshoots fizzled through the leafy sky with microphonic scale. Or are we not talking about those type of meds?;)
Re:Please be respectful on this topic
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I've never told anyone other than close friends...
And now... a few hundred thousand total strangers!;) You have to look at it this way. Is it better to have people wondering why you act strange, or for them to KNOW why you act strange (strange being relative, of course)? With a lot of people it's a total crapshoot what their response is going to be, unfortunately. People shouldn't have to hide something like this for fear of idiots.
And yes, it's time for some new ADD jokes. There's really only the one that I know of, and ADD had better hurry its unfunny as up if it wants to step with such classic comedy diseases as alcoholism and rickets.
Yes, that was a joke. You may either laugh or think I'm an asshole. I prefer the former since I already have enough enemies.
It depends on the affliction and how serious it is. If Richard Stallman was schizophrenic and was in control of himself and getting the medical help he needed, I'd be the first to post a "Yeah, and his other personality is ESR" joke. But if it was a problem that was causing him a great deal of distress and affecting him in very negative ways (for Stallman that would mean voting Republican and running Windows) there's no fucking way I'd laugh at that. Some things are funny, others are not. Sometimes they're the same thing, only different.
The article up there reads like this guy is one that is fully in control of, or at least has a good grip on, his disorder. I say laugh away until someone just acts like an asshole about it.
I'd be the last guy to say that all medication is pointless. I think that as far as this topic is concerned, there are far too many people that are needlessly put on Ritalin or similar drugs. This isn't saying anything about people that do in fact need medication to function. Anyone that thinks all medication is a cop out needs to wake the fuck up. Sometimes it is neccesary, but not to the extent that it's used with regards to ADD/ADHD.
And I thought your post was directed at me... it was listed as a direct reply so I treated it as such. Woohoo, one less dude pissed at me!;)
Re:alternatives and cultural rant ahead...
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I was commenting on the original post that stated...
Of course, in our current culture of instant gratification and having both parents working, we have come to a point where parents aren't willing to take the time to find a better alternative than to drug their child. Personally it sickens me. I knew this one family that put their 5 y.o. child on Ritalin. I ask you, what 5y.o. isn't hyperactive? And what kind of parent drugs their 5 y.o. kid for being a bit rambuncious?
I've known parents like that. If they doesn't like the response they get from one doctor, they take their kid to another one and another one until they find one that finally will put their kid on Ritalin. No, I don't know all the factors. But I'd be so presumptious as to second guess them because SOMEBODY has to. ALWAYS question your doctor as if your life depended on it, because it does. I don't doubt for a second they know better than I do, but I want to know what the hell they know. Got it now?:D
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I think you need to pull your head out. People are paid extra on Saturdays and Sundays because IT'S THE FUCKING WEEKEND. Compare a guy that works 5 days a week, 8-10 hours a day, who's making $8.50 an hour with someone that's making $65,000 a year no matter how often (or more to the point, RARELY) he decides to show up.
Blah, blah, blah. Oh shit, I'm so scared of the legions of nerds and geeks who can easily be distracted by a TV running Star Trek. ;)
Exactly. Everyone forgets that the 'rock stars' account for maybe one tenth of one percent of the WORKING musicians out there. They don't seem to understand that being a musician and being a rock star are two different things. Musicians generally spend all day at work, the lucky ones only have to work part time, the even luckier ones don't HAVE to have a real job, but do so because it means more gear and extra shit. Writing music is not easy. Booking gigs can take hours of club owner harrassment a day. Loading up for a gig usually takes a couple of hours of hauling heavy-ass equipment around. Then you have to unload at the gig. Then reload afterwards. Then unload back home. If you are a working, gigging, musician it's HARD FUCKING WORK. There aren't any roadies to carry your shit. There aren't any green rooms full of free food and beer. There aren't any bigass paychecks waiting for you at home. All you have is maybe a couple of hundred bucks (if you're lucky) and hopefully the ability to go home knowing you put on a badass show, because at the REAL musician level that's all it's about.
Joe Smoe Band gets more money than Metallica, because they release their own shit so they clear $10 on every CD. Check 'em out sometime. Killer blues rock. ;)
Seriously, the average royalty per CD is anywhere from $0.75 to $1.25. This is based on what I've gathered talking to people over the years.
No, because they don't want people downloading the one good song in a sea of 15 shitty ones for a dollar and instead want them to pay $18 for the whole CD. Do you seriously think that LINKIN PARK has an 'artistic standpoint'? I didn't think so. ;)
It's obvious you know DICK about the record industry. Let me enlighten you. On the average CD, the producers and engineers come out the best, money wise. They're paid flat fees and if they played their cards right, get a percentage from the profit. These fees vary quite a bit, so nailing down a number is tough. Figure $5,000 to $20,000 for a sizable indie release, to maybe $100,000 or better for a major label release. They are paid when the work is done. No waiting for royalties, no advances to pay back, none of the bullshit. If the CD doesn't sell well, the artists won't see a fucking dime. The engineers do. Periphery people (advertising and shit like that) don't even enter into the fucking equation as far as royalties. They're paid by someone else some other way. You also seem to confuse shit like Britney Spears with REAL musical talent (I won't name names. That's too much of a matter of opinion). In a GOOD band, nobody is replaceable and their job is a fuckload more important than the engineers. ANY engineer will tell you that a great engineer can't make a shitty band good, but even a shitty engineer can make a good band sound good. There's just no way to fuck up talent.
It's closer to a dollar a CD. Just keep in mind that out of that dollar the band has to pay for paying back it's advance from the label, pay back all recording costs, and pay for any and all touring they do. I don't know any other business where the employees get fucked over so much.
It's usually less than that. Think MAYBE a dollar a CD. You have to remember, artists have to pay back their advance and all recording costs. Record labels will fuck bands out of anything and everything they can get away with, the greedy cunts. "I have no talent, no ambition, and wear a shitty suit. I deserver 80% of what you earn." Fuckers.
Artists have been doing it for years and the record companies don't care. You know why the companies don't care about self-produced stuff? BECAUSE NOBODY BUYS IT. There is no distribution, no promotion, no radio or MTV. There is no audience at all, whatsoever. The audience for the average self-produced CD is maybe a few hundred people, TOPS. You do get some exceptions (Ani DiFranco, for one) but they are very very few and far between.
Yah. So even after getting fucked out of 78% of the profit from their song, they get nailed in the ass for probably a hundred grand more (Minimum).
You can't skip the labels. Unless, of course, you want to pay for your own advertising, merchandising, recording costs, new gear and keep the van running all on the $150 (or less) you make from each gig. Labels provide financial support.
If there is a songwriter, they're usually paid in advance, under the table, so nobody knows that their 'artists' are talentless shit.
I really, really, really don't get it. If he's that concerned about noise, buy a fucking eMachines. My parents bought one a few months back and while it's a POS technology wise (doesn't even have a fucking AGP slot *CRINGE*) it is dead SILENT.
I wish that I'd get a C&D from Blizzard, just so I could tell them to blow me. I'm single, stupid enough to defend myself, and have way too much time on my hands. See you in court, where I'll promptly shove my foot up your ass. Hugs and kisses.
It's already been proven in court that MS holds absolutely no copyright OR trademark on the word WINDOWS. This was covered a few months ago when MS sued Lindows. This does not mean you can call a dostro "Windows" as that would be misleading and deceptive.
For someone as apparently fucked in the head as you are, you string together some nice paragraphs. ;)
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Oddly enough, the only problem I faced was having to drink water that was pumped straight out of a well, through a few miles of PVC pipe, and never filtered. THAT is worse than any withdrawl could ever be. ;D
How your mind works (or doesn't, more likely) is completely different from the way everyone elses does. Quit being a cunt.
If caffeine caused mental problems, I'd be the fucking Rain Man of Dr Pepperville.
I challenge you to try this with a psychiatrist. He'll see RIGHT THROUGH YOU... You'd have to be a very good actor with a VERY good understanding of the symptoms to pass...
Not if you find the right (or more appropriately, WRONG) doctor. My cousin was put on Ritalin simply because his mother found a doctor that would do so. It happens.
Anyone else out there remember when you began taking the meds and all of a sudden you could focus on just what you wanted, instead of _everything_ going on around you?
;)
Yeah, man, there were all these colors and dancing snakes with pickle loaf candysnaps. The sidewalks had lemon scented chalk on them, and the twirling monkeyshoots fizzled through the leafy sky with microphonic scale. Or are we not talking about those type of meds?
I've never told anyone other than close friends...
;) You have to look at it this way. Is it better to have people wondering why you act strange, or for them to KNOW why you act strange (strange being relative, of course)? With a lot of people it's a total crapshoot what their response is going to be, unfortunately. People shouldn't have to hide something like this for fear of idiots.
And now... a few hundred thousand total strangers!
And yes, it's time for some new ADD jokes. There's really only the one that I know of, and ADD had better hurry its unfunny as up if it wants to step with such classic comedy diseases as alcoholism and rickets.
Yes, that was a joke. You may either laugh or think I'm an asshole. I prefer the former since I already have enough enemies.
It depends on the affliction and how serious it is. If Richard Stallman was schizophrenic and was in control of himself and getting the medical help he needed, I'd be the first to post a "Yeah, and his other personality is ESR" joke. But if it was a problem that was causing him a great deal of distress and affecting him in very negative ways (for Stallman that would mean voting Republican and running Windows) there's no fucking way I'd laugh at that. Some things are funny, others are not. Sometimes they're the same thing, only different.
The article up there reads like this guy is one that is fully in control of, or at least has a good grip on, his disorder. I say laugh away until someone just acts like an asshole about it.
I'd be the last guy to say that all medication is pointless. I think that as far as this topic is concerned, there are far too many people that are needlessly put on Ritalin or similar drugs. This isn't saying anything about people that do in fact need medication to function. Anyone that thinks all medication is a cop out needs to wake the fuck up. Sometimes it is neccesary, but not to the extent that it's used with regards to ADD/ADHD.
;)
And I thought your post was directed at me... it was listed as a direct reply so I treated it as such. Woohoo, one less dude pissed at me!
I was commenting on the original post that stated...
:D
Of course, in our current culture of instant gratification and having both parents working, we have come to a point where parents aren't willing to take the time to find a better alternative than to drug their child. Personally it sickens me. I knew this one family that put their 5 y.o. child on Ritalin. I ask you, what 5y.o. isn't hyperactive? And what kind of parent drugs their 5 y.o. kid for being a bit rambuncious?
I've known parents like that. If they doesn't like the response they get from one doctor, they take their kid to another one and another one until they find one that finally will put their kid on Ritalin. No, I don't know all the factors. But I'd be so presumptious as to second guess them because SOMEBODY has to. ALWAYS question your doctor as if your life depended on it, because it does. I don't doubt for a second they know better than I do, but I want to know what the hell they know. Got it now?