*You're* "missing something crucial" in the GP's comment: it doesn't matter that Apple places so many rules and restrictions on those who want to play on the device and in the App Store. It doesn't matter because Apple can't force you to do any of this. You're free at any time to walk away and develop for a more open platform (like Windows Mobile, which is kind of hard to believe).
The iPhone is Apple's sandbox. They don't have to share it with us. They also tend to make decisions to protect us from ourselves. It might seem stupid to you that you (usually) can't develop iPhone apps that compete with Apple's own, but aside from that simply being one of their rules, they're trying to stop the platform from becoming a total mess.
Wow - the logic is so amazing on this site. I think you're missing elrous0's point. Let me make one small change to your comment and then see how this reads and how slashdot would react:
*You're* "missing something crucial" in the GP's comment: it doesn't matter that Microsoft places so many rules and restrictions on those who want to play on the device and in the Windows environment. It doesn't matter because Microsoft can't force you to do any of this. You're free at any time to walk away and develop for a more open platform (like iPhone, which is kind of hard to believe).
Windows is Microsoft's sandbox. They don't have to share it with us. They also tend to make decisions to protect us from ourselves. It might seem stupid to you that you (usually) can't develop Windows apps that compete with Microsoft's own, but aside from that simply being one of their rules, they're trying to stop the platform from becoming a total mess.
Now, how does the logic hold? I nearly call your diatribe troll bait. What do you think would happen to someone that used this logic on this site? I, like elrous0, am surprised there isn't total bashing of Apple's closed source and downright nasty litigious practices on Slashdot. I smell double-standards...and I develop on Linux, Windows and the iPhone...
I hate to say it, but when Sun went ga-ga over Java a few years back - I knew it was a bell for this very day. Exactly how were they going to make a revenue stream on such a software platform of applets? They did get big, they did fill a need, but they also never lived up to real profitabilty. They saw their market and revenue shrink until this day when Sun is bought by a database company.
Sun made is fortunes on vertically integrated stacks of hardware and software. But it all started to slip away. One might argue that's no longer a viable business plan - but IBM seems to be doing ok. Sun still makes great hardware, but Intel's bitten off more and more of their server market for years as desktop hardware is getting powerful enough. Witness the rise of low-cost PC solution in Google data centers.
As to the software, yes, Java was a great solution and created a great, easy-to-program vertical stack that bridged awful heterogeneous hardware and databases. But it was slow. Horrible slow when you have mission critical servers that need to handle really big, popular websites or god forbid high-speed transactional services. The applet model just didn't catch on as they probably expected.
Say also what you will (flame on) to base your revenue model on open-source just smelled of death from day one. Yes, it *seemed* to fit with Sun's vertical marketing. They poured tons of money into Java that at first seemed really well spent, seemed to fit the virtualization model things were going towards, their vertically integrated solution, and they designed a great language. But commercial open-source only survives on a service model - and when everyone can use Java - why pay Sun the premium? They just didn't come up with enough compelling reasons to pay them after the platforms were in place to stay afloat. They did a great service to the world buy funding and designing Java, but it also seems to be the very thing that lead to their demise. Sure, they probably would have lasted far less long if they'd stayed proprietary - but I just never saw how they could keep their business afloat going open-source.
As a final point, I noticed that in the late 90's early 2000's, every college taught all their classes in Java. I went back to my alma mater (Purdue) and many other top-tere uni's are now pretty exclusively all back to C++/C for their classes. We no longer hire Java coders here where I work either. You need to know C/C++.
Maybe this is just another story of SGI - the business model moved on, and it was time to go. SGI tried to stay proprietary, Sun tried to go Open-source - but both didn't work in the end because the computing evironment had changed so much that the business model itself just wasn't viable.
Don't know how it works at the there companies mentioned in the header, but it's been my experience that layoffs at many companies are based on seniority, not job performance.
I disagree entirely. I work at Intel and it was always about the division you were in than the performance. If you were working on something that was cuttable - then the whole group went top to bottom.
The most important thing an employee should be doing in good times is latching yourself onto where a company's core money is coming from. Those are the divisions that won't be getting killed, and layoffs will happen based on performance/key contributions.
I used to think like you do - but I have realized to far too sad truth. We've rounded a moral hazard corner that is about to dramatically shape future policy.
I also lived within my means. I was going to buy a house 2-3 years ago, but didn't because I saw the writing on the wall. I figured when the collapse came, I could buy a house at probably less than half of current prices. I saved and lived frugally and hoped to be rewarded for that foresight. But that hasn't happened.
Instead, I now have over $2000 of new national debt in my name, housing prices have been propped up artificially, and that much more of my taxes are going into the toilet for others irresponsibility instead of doing real work for roads, schools, new companies, etc. And with a moratorium on foreclosures, it makes me wish I had gone out an lived stupidly.
And now we're about to do it again for automakers who haven't been competitive in years. Bloated with poor products, union handcuffs, and an apathy worthy of the name 'fat lazy American', we're about to enter a world of US automakers that are just as wonderful as our airline industry that goes bankrupt every 5-10 years and a lovely cycle of restructuring and dollar stocks. GM is now worth less than Nestle.
Everyone likes to talk about Obama's plans just like the 'new deal' but it's not the same. When you lose 10 years of investing in 6 months - the 'long term' is starting to showing its true colors. We're using new debt to pay off old debt and this can't go on. We're in uncharted waters. What's the answer? I don't know - I think we've done the best we can. We'd have had a real 1929 this year if the govt hadn't stepped in. But it's not sustainable.
I personally am thinking long and hard how to get my long-term investments out of the US. As it is, we'll likely find ourselves in the same 'lost decade' Japan did when it's housing bubble burst. 10 years of no real growth while we pay off debt (yes, we're being much more proactive, but it's very likely the pattern we'll follow). Meanwhile everyone else walks out your investment doors and when you are open for business again - it's all moved on. I'm thinking China is looking better now - which has a national *savings* rate of over 50% as a better bet with people that know how to make money and keep it with real products.
A final note for those of you that like pointing fingers - point them all at ourselves on this one equally. Yes, the loan companies were out of control - but you know what - so were all of us. This wasn't Enron sitting on a hill - this was each of us living beyond our means.
Tell average Joe that he's losing *his* job because *you* run up so much debt and had to be bailed out. Because that's the hard truth.
And hence the reason those 'non-geeks' are buying linux versions over windows. When you're simply looking at utility and both do the same job externally - then price is probably the biggest concern to you.
I'd bet $10 the reason the linux versions are more popular isn't because housewives have become educated about linux/windows - but its about which one is cheaper with the same features.
I thought Republicans were supposed to have the monopoly on being closed minded. So much for being open and educated to "alternative political lifestyles".
Of course they shot him down - he would probably get a ridiculously high joke vote from the disenfranchised; which sure wouldn't make Hillary the star she wants to appear - and show the 20% approval rated Democratic senate have just as much weakness in the public poles as the 25% approval rated Republican president.
It's going to happen, so let me be first:
All your base are belong to us.
But you're all wrong, hexadecimal is still king. On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it an E
Perhaps it's time for some dance-dance COUNTER-revolution. Can't we all just dance our troubles away on a Friday night like the 80's music always said?
GIMP is a more advanced version of Photoshop. Don't you hate it how new versions of software change things around? Ok, I call FUD on this one. I'm sorry on this, I use it for a living and Gimp is nowhere as powerful , easy to use/learn, or have the plugin-set and extras that Photoshop has. Sure, some of it's familiarity, but changes look/feel happen on both sides of open source and isn't a bad thing either - would you rather still be using X with Motif widgets?
do we really want to give the government an easy way to "flip a switch" (or bit) and make it impossible for any one person to earn a living? Precisely. And a good number of those illegal immigrants are using stolen identities. So, now YOU are the one that cannot work - and imagine getting THAT sorted out with this government agency.
We all know that in our current lawsuit and fear-filled climate the very first incident of cancer will produce 'hard-hitting' documentaries about the "horrific cover-ups and blatant lies of corporate America" - probably sparking some guy to make a documentary and stand outside the building with a victim until he is appeased (that could never happen). However, after banned, the first person killed b/c their furniture wasn't using known flame-retardant chemicals will result in an outpouring of anguish and outrage that the manufacturers in question were simply trying to save money based off inside lobbiest/governmental bureaucracy.
I've given up cowtowing to idiocracy and fear-filled chicken-littles. Very little useful ever gets done that way and you can never win.
This is horrible, but just remember this when you read about 12, 15, 20, or 30 innocent people killed in car bombs and shootings in Iraq - every day. Not pushing an agenda or trying to minimize, just know this is what goes on other places too and to stop thinking we're the center of the universe when it comes to suffering...
I blame native Americans for introducing us to 'maize' - it was a conspiracy that they knew we could form our economy on it and cause us all this trouble. They're so sneaky and crafty - they have regular meetings in secret at the highest levels of government to cover everything up!
Gimmie a break - a majority of animals in countries with basic rights system going get better treatment then the homeless HUMANS that live there. Personally, I'm appalled by people that think nothing of spending $100's to thousands of dollars on taking care of little poopsy when if you look at their annual budgets, they don't spend more than $10-50 on charity for their fellow man. I've done the math for a year of spending - have you? Where does your money go?
And if you're so against the medical experiments on animals, I don't ever want to see you use shampoo, cosmetics, deodorants, cancer drugs, have any surgery done, anesthesia, use any medications, antibiotics, vaccines, tetanus shots, etc. Why? Because even the more modern 'no animals were used in testing' brands rely on information about substances/chemicals that were once discovered by testing them on animals. Yes, animals deserve humane treatment and I'll be the first to take animals from abusive situations (dogs raised to fight, needless medical testing to see 'how bad it can get') but give me a break. And lest you think there is a double-standard here, When the Nazi's did their horrific experiments on humans, there was a huge moral debate after the war on what to do with the documents/findings they 'discovered' via their atrocities. A long discussion ensued and the international community decided to destroy the information and never use it/look at it. So if you feel the same way about animals and info gathered by testing on them - so should you.
This infatuation with personification of animals because all you saw growing up was Disney cartoons instead of working with these very animals yourself.
All humans are animals, but animals are not humans. If they are the same, then they must be held to the same standards. Dogs that maul or kill must be put up in a front of a jury of their peers and tried. WHAT???
Folks, it's time to get it through your heads. Guess what the most amazing interfaces (and I'm not an apple or MS fanboy) are developed on today?
UNIX - I'm talking about the Apple OS X and iPod interfaces.
Interfaces are NOT primarily about the underlying open/closed sourceness - it's about really amazing *designers* (not primarily the bit-banger) who sit down and build beautiful things - works of moving art really. If you want to cry about interfaces, it isn't because of the software, hardware or if it's open-source or not. It's because you don't have insanely good design engineers and spend lots of blood-sweat and money to get it done. Look where Apple's taken Unix in just 2 years and open-source without direction STILL can't do.
So, in other words, you'll be seeing those interface types in the latest rev of linux in another generation after vista huh? Just like the windows-like interfaces X has now. Do you still use the old version of X with the Motif buttons?
Handy guide to interface design:
1. Apple innovates (honestly) amazing interfaces/design/style then snobbishly looks down on the world in reality distortion field despite cost, flaws, recalls, heat problems, etc.
2. 1+yr later - Windows mass produces a 'close enough' copy for the masses that misses a lot of the subtle feel/look
3. 1+yr after that - Linux does a 'me to and for free', but the market is almost moved on past caring by then because...
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Wow - the logic is so amazing on this site. I think you're missing elrous0's point. Let me make one small change to your comment and then see how this reads and how slashdot would react:
Now, how does the logic hold? I nearly call your diatribe troll bait. What do you think would happen to someone that used this logic on this site? I, like elrous0, am surprised there isn't total bashing of Apple's closed source and downright nasty litigious practices on Slashdot. I smell double-standards...and I develop on Linux, Windows and the iPhone...
Sun made is fortunes on vertically integrated stacks of hardware and software. But it all started to slip away. One might argue that's no longer a viable business plan - but IBM seems to be doing ok. Sun still makes great hardware, but Intel's bitten off more and more of their server market for years as desktop hardware is getting powerful enough. Witness the rise of low-cost PC solution in Google data centers.
As to the software, yes, Java was a great solution and created a great, easy-to-program vertical stack that bridged awful heterogeneous hardware and databases. But it was slow. Horrible slow when you have mission critical servers that need to handle really big, popular websites or god forbid high-speed transactional services. The applet model just didn't catch on as they probably expected.
Say also what you will (flame on) to base your revenue model on open-source just smelled of death from day one. Yes, it *seemed* to fit with Sun's vertical marketing. They poured tons of money into Java that at first seemed really well spent, seemed to fit the virtualization model things were going towards, their vertically integrated solution, and they designed a great language. But commercial open-source only survives on a service model - and when everyone can use Java - why pay Sun the premium? They just didn't come up with enough compelling reasons to pay them after the platforms were in place to stay afloat. They did a great service to the world buy funding and designing Java, but it also seems to be the very thing that lead to their demise. Sure, they probably would have lasted far less long if they'd stayed proprietary - but I just never saw how they could keep their business afloat going open-source.
As a final point, I noticed that in the late 90's early 2000's, every college taught all their classes in Java. I went back to my alma mater (Purdue) and many other top-tere uni's are now pretty exclusively all back to C++/C for their classes. We no longer hire Java coders here where I work either. You need to know C/C++.
Maybe this is just another story of SGI - the business model moved on, and it was time to go. SGI tried to stay proprietary, Sun tried to go Open-source - but both didn't work in the end because the computing evironment had changed so much that the business model itself just wasn't viable.
Yeah suckers! The year of the LHC is 2008^H^H^H^H2009! Just like I said before...
Don't know how it works at the there companies mentioned in the header, but it's been my experience that layoffs at many companies are based on seniority, not job performance.
I disagree entirely. I work at Intel and it was always about the division you were in than the performance. If you were working on something that was cuttable - then the whole group went top to bottom. The most important thing an employee should be doing in good times is latching yourself onto where a company's core money is coming from. Those are the divisions that won't be getting killed, and layoffs will happen based on performance/key contributions.
I also lived within my means. I was going to buy a house 2-3 years ago, but didn't because I saw the writing on the wall. I figured when the collapse came, I could buy a house at probably less than half of current prices. I saved and lived frugally and hoped to be rewarded for that foresight. But that hasn't happened.
Instead, I now have over $2000 of new national debt in my name, housing prices have been propped up artificially, and that much more of my taxes are going into the toilet for others irresponsibility instead of doing real work for roads, schools, new companies, etc. And with a moratorium on foreclosures, it makes me wish I had gone out an lived stupidly.
And now we're about to do it again for automakers who haven't been competitive in years. Bloated with poor products, union handcuffs, and an apathy worthy of the name 'fat lazy American', we're about to enter a world of US automakers that are just as wonderful as our airline industry that goes bankrupt every 5-10 years and a lovely cycle of restructuring and dollar stocks. GM is now worth less than Nestle.
Everyone likes to talk about Obama's plans just like the 'new deal' but it's not the same. When you lose 10 years of investing in 6 months - the 'long term' is starting to showing its true colors. We're using new debt to pay off old debt and this can't go on. We're in uncharted waters. What's the answer? I don't know - I think we've done the best we can. We'd have had a real 1929 this year if the govt hadn't stepped in. But it's not sustainable. I personally am thinking long and hard how to get my long-term investments out of the US. As it is, we'll likely find ourselves in the same 'lost decade' Japan did when it's housing bubble burst. 10 years of no real growth while we pay off debt (yes, we're being much more proactive, but it's very likely the pattern we'll follow). Meanwhile everyone else walks out your investment doors and when you are open for business again - it's all moved on. I'm thinking China is looking better now - which has a national *savings* rate of over 50% as a better bet with people that know how to make money and keep it with real products.
A final note for those of you that like pointing fingers - point them all at ourselves on this one equally. Yes, the loan companies were out of control - but you know what - so were all of us. This wasn't Enron sitting on a hill - this was each of us living beyond our means.
Tell average Joe that he's losing *his* job because *you* run up so much debt and had to be bailed out. Because that's the hard truth.
Guess we have our answer...
I'd bet $10 the reason the linux versions are more popular isn't because housewives have become educated about linux/windows - but its about which one is cheaper with the same features.
Tells me somebody is stupid enough to be doing it...
Of course they shot him down - he would probably get a ridiculously high joke vote from the disenfranchised; which sure wouldn't make Hillary the star she wants to appear - and show the 20% approval rated Democratic senate have just as much weakness in the public poles as the 25% approval rated Republican president.
Untrue! Look at how we've won the war on drugs. All those different...non-nondescript...drugs....oh, right.
It's going to happen, so let me be first: All your base are belong to us. But you're all wrong, hexadecimal is still king. On a scale of 1 to 10, I give it an E
Yesterday's luxuries are today's necessities. And yesterday's privileges are today's demanded rights.
3 times....
You're in a Johnnycab. We hope you enjoyed the ride!
GIMP is a more advanced version of Photoshop. Don't you hate it how new versions of software change things around? Ok, I call FUD on this one. I'm sorry on this, I use it for a living and Gimp is nowhere as powerful , easy to use/learn, or have the plugin-set and extras that Photoshop has. Sure, some of it's familiarity, but changes look/feel happen on both sides of open source and isn't a bad thing either - would you rather still be using X with Motif widgets?
1. Hey, my windows office that I copied from my buddy doesn't install!
2. Hey, why doesn't the shockwave player play my video clips on myspace?
3. How do I get that iTunes working? My iPod needs it.
4. Where's Photoshop? What, this GIMP thing? Any others I might have missed?
We all know that in our current lawsuit and fear-filled climate the very first incident of cancer will produce 'hard-hitting' documentaries about the "horrific cover-ups and blatant lies of corporate America" - probably sparking some guy to make a documentary and stand outside the building with a victim until he is appeased (that could never happen). However, after banned, the first person killed b/c their furniture wasn't using known flame-retardant chemicals will result in an outpouring of anguish and outrage that the manufacturers in question were simply trying to save money based off inside lobbiest/governmental bureaucracy. I've given up cowtowing to idiocracy and fear-filled chicken-littles. Very little useful ever gets done that way and you can never win.
This is horrible, but just remember this when you read about 12, 15, 20, or 30 innocent people killed in car bombs and shootings in Iraq - every day. Not pushing an agenda or trying to minimize, just know this is what goes on other places too and to stop thinking we're the center of the universe when it comes to suffering...
I blame native Americans for introducing us to 'maize' - it was a conspiracy that they knew we could form our economy on it and cause us all this trouble. They're so sneaky and crafty - they have regular meetings in secret at the highest levels of government to cover everything up!
Gimmie a break - a majority of animals in countries with basic rights system going get better treatment then the homeless HUMANS that live there. Personally, I'm appalled by people that think nothing of spending $100's to thousands of dollars on taking care of little poopsy when if you look at their annual budgets, they don't spend more than $10-50 on charity for their fellow man. I've done the math for a year of spending - have you? Where does your money go? And if you're so against the medical experiments on animals, I don't ever want to see you use shampoo, cosmetics, deodorants, cancer drugs, have any surgery done, anesthesia, use any medications, antibiotics, vaccines, tetanus shots, etc. Why? Because even the more modern 'no animals were used in testing' brands rely on information about substances/chemicals that were once discovered by testing them on animals. Yes, animals deserve humane treatment and I'll be the first to take animals from abusive situations (dogs raised to fight, needless medical testing to see 'how bad it can get') but give me a break. And lest you think there is a double-standard here, When the Nazi's did their horrific experiments on humans, there was a huge moral debate after the war on what to do with the documents/findings they 'discovered' via their atrocities. A long discussion ensued and the international community decided to destroy the information and never use it/look at it. So if you feel the same way about animals and info gathered by testing on them - so should you. This infatuation with personification of animals because all you saw growing up was Disney cartoons instead of working with these very animals yourself. All humans are animals, but animals are not humans. If they are the same, then they must be held to the same standards. Dogs that maul or kill must be put up in a front of a jury of their peers and tried. WHAT???
"No no, this thing needs more kick than that. It's nuclear - that's the only way I can generate the 1.21 gigawatts of energy I need."
UNIX - I'm talking about the Apple OS X and iPod interfaces.
Interfaces are NOT primarily about the underlying open/closed sourceness - it's about really amazing *designers* (not primarily the bit-banger) who sit down and build beautiful things - works of moving art really. If you want to cry about interfaces, it isn't because of the software, hardware or if it's open-source or not. It's because you don't have insanely good design engineers and spend lots of blood-sweat and money to get it done. Look where Apple's taken Unix in just 2 years and open-source without direction STILL can't do.
Handy guide to interface design:
1. Apple innovates (honestly) amazing interfaces/design/style then snobbishly looks down on the world in reality distortion field despite cost, flaws, recalls, heat problems, etc.
2. 1+yr later - Windows mass produces a 'close enough' copy for the masses that misses a lot of the subtle feel/look
3. 1+yr after that - Linux does a 'me to and for free', but the market is almost moved on past caring by then because...
4. Repeat