Holy crap, were you my instructor for the Into to E.E. class I had to take in '87? He told everyone to look to the left and right and say good-bye to them because they wouldn't be there at graduation. Low and behold, he was right. We started out with 120 and graduated 30.
Except you are not looking at the big picture. For you to "gain" the income, you have to "take" it from somewhere else...say me. That means I have less to spend so if you are thinking there is a 2x gain...you are completely wrong.
Those machines do exist, and they are being phased into production for the sole purpose of keeping labor costs in-line with product prices. The issue is that with the forced increase in minimum wage, the adoption rate will be higher.
Regarding Papa John getting his panties in a twist, his company is actually good to work for. I spent a few years in college delivering pizza for them, and they were good to the people. I can't speak personally for him, but I believe he does see the value of having employees, but there is a price point where a decision has to be made: automation or personnel, and $15.00/hr is going to push for the former. Don't believe me...try opening your own food business and see where you end up because if you have to choose between making money to keep the doors open by adopting automation and eventually you will, or going bust...well, yeah.
Force them to do what? Without access to the source code, they would be no better than a group of monkeys beating on a keyboard attempting to create a new novel.
Here is hint #1.....don't use Server 2012 on a laptop. That is a server OS and not a workstation/laptop OS. Second, why are you using a 5 year old laptop? That is old hardware prone for failure meaning you are just biding your time before heartache ensues.
I can see this _IF_ the code already attempts a manual load call to the runtime, but I have never seen a method to force an unintended DLL to be loaded into a process space unless the originating binary is modified.
So are you saying that I didn't actually climb Mount Everest, jet ski across the Pacific ocean on a half a tank of gas, help in the birthing of 15 white rhino's in Africa AND submit a 3 line patch of code to Slashdot to fix their Unicode character issue?
I would agree that I am speaking without knowing all of the facts. I do find it interesting that Apple has a hard time finding talent to work for them though. I just wonder if they thought about opening an engineering center somewhere else than Cupertino since that is obviously an area where good talent is at a premium due to so many tech businesses.
I hear you about diverting resources IF you are working under the premise that you must keep your costs fixed (aka not add to the resource pool). However, 99% of the time, you need to increase your resources to be able generate new products.
Wish you had not posted this as Anon because I think you have some good ideas.
Personally, I think a good avenue is to get into the markets that smaller business's really require. As an example, provide some type of cloud based email/calendaring solution for smaller businesses (think Google for Business here). Most of which seem to like using their Macs so that would support their existing products. They could provide something like Google does for Outlook so the PC people could make use of as well. With that, there is a natural extension for storage needs which would fit well. I am not a fan of cloud solutions, but most smaller companies have moved that direction so why not leverage that direction.
Hi Five there brother. I have been down that road which eventually ran right off the cliff for all the reasons you stated. We tried early on to explain, but I had a manager that confidence that we could handle everything in a timely manor. Needless to say, he is employed there anymore.
Well, that might work for you, but I would suggest to everyone else that you ALWAYS take a gun to a knife fight if you want to win. I can have my gun out just as fast as some idiot can pull their knife out....PERIOD. Here is a hit, don't walk around oblivious to your surroundings, and you will always be in a position where your side arm (even concealed) can be accessed long before issues arise.
As your first idiotic comment was corrected by WhiplashII above, here you go:
You are aware that almost all KKK members were democrats, right? And that the "party of Lincoln", also known as Republicans, fought a civil war to end slavery?
Please go ahead and continue to shout the lie.../quote.
Personally, I haven't worked with any senior engineers that weren't opposed to new technologies. They were just very skeptical because they have been burned so many times by the empty promises and worse, dealing with unintended issues that result because very rarely is the happy path ever taken. As we all know, it it the edge conditions that cause the issues because a generic frameworks many times cannot anticipate all edge conditions so they just don't handle it.
The young engineers are always ready to change for the sake of change many times, and they have never seen results when things go bad. They also don't seem to understand the full cost ($$$) of the situation of the upgrade. This includes the internal costs of testing as well as the potential cost to the customer for their internal testing. Rarely do I see a true risk analysis done which can be translated into a "risk versus reward" understanding of is the change worth it. All of this comes from experience: it just can't be taught, it must be experienced.
I think you and I need to go have some beers and discuss the scars we have on our backs from being forced to go down the same roads.
If I hear one more person tell me about this great new frameworks that will solve all of the problems, I believe I might beat that someone to death with my stapler.If I hear one more project manager tell me about this great new development approach which will solve the delays, I will take my keyboard and beat them upside the head. What the heck ever happened to good engineering practices..*sigh*.
The big issue with contract work is that you experience the ebbs and flow of the current market conditions immediately. If the market is good for employees (meaning full employment), then I have seen contract workers pull down wages that are better than full-timers. The problem right now is that the market is good for employers because there are so many people looking for work so they can get lower wages.
I really hoping you are being sarcastic because if not, you really haven't worked on any projects of real size. What you describe is really nice for an app that does addition and subtraction, but when you have connections with multiple databases, have several dozen static sockets connections going while processing messages from those sockets, your suggestion of not using objects is naive at best.
Do the professional societies actually recognize "software engineers"? The last time I looked into it, the professional engineering group for the state I lived in would not allow me to take the second test because they didn't consider time in software engineering as effective on-the-job experience.
Yeah, 22mpg sounds pretty low until you realize that he can get that while pulling 10,000lbs+ behind him more than likely. Trying to compare a work truck to a personal vehicle with MPG as your yardstick is pretty useless.
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Holy crap, were you my instructor for the Into to E.E. class I had to take in '87? He told everyone to look to the left and right and say good-bye to them because they wouldn't be there at graduation. Low and behold, he was right. We started out with 120 and graduated 30.
Except you are not looking at the big picture. For you to "gain" the income, you have to "take" it from somewhere else...say me. That means I have less to spend so if you are thinking there is a 2x gain...you are completely wrong.
That theory sounds all well and good except for one thing: where do you think that "new" disposable income is coming from?
Those machines do exist, and they are being phased into production for the sole purpose of keeping labor costs in-line with product prices. The issue is that with the forced increase in minimum wage, the adoption rate will be higher.
Regarding Papa John getting his panties in a twist, his company is actually good to work for. I spent a few years in college delivering pizza for them, and they were good to the people. I can't speak personally for him, but I believe he does see the value of having employees, but there is a price point where a decision has to be made: automation or personnel, and $15.00/hr is going to push for the former. Don't believe me...try opening your own food business and see where you end up because if you have to choose between making money to keep the doors open by adopting automation and eventually you will, or going bust...well, yeah.
Force them to do what? Without access to the source code, they would be no better than a group of monkeys beating on a keyboard attempting to create a new novel.
Here is hint #1.....don't use Server 2012 on a laptop. That is a server OS and not a workstation/laptop OS. Second, why are you using a 5 year old laptop? That is old hardware prone for failure meaning you are just biding your time before heartache ensues.
Did you actually read that article? Seriously.
I can see this _IF_ the code already attempts a manual load call to the runtime, but I have never seen a method to force an unintended DLL to be loaded into a process space unless the originating binary is modified.
So are you saying that I didn't actually climb Mount Everest, jet ski across the Pacific ocean on a half a tank of gas, help in the birthing of 15 white rhino's in Africa AND submit a 3 line patch of code to Slashdot to fix their Unicode character issue?
I would agree that I am speaking without knowing all of the facts. I do find it interesting that Apple has a hard time finding talent to work for them though. I just wonder if they thought about opening an engineering center somewhere else than Cupertino since that is obviously an area where good talent is at a premium due to so many tech businesses.
I hear you about diverting resources IF you are working under the premise that you must keep your costs fixed (aka not add to the resource pool). However, 99% of the time, you need to increase your resources to be able generate new products.
Wish you had not posted this as Anon because I think you have some good ideas.
Personally, I think a good avenue is to get into the markets that smaller business's really require. As an example, provide some type of cloud based email/calendaring solution for smaller businesses (think Google for Business here). Most of which seem to like using their Macs so that would support their existing products. They could provide something like Google does for Outlook so the PC people could make use of as well. With that, there is a natural extension for storage needs which would fit well. I am not a fan of cloud solutions, but most smaller companies have moved that direction so why not leverage that direction.
Wow...I think someone forgot to take their meds today. If, for some reason, you actually did take them....DOUBLE UP!
Any student is able to test out of a class (meaning they get full credit for the class) which would allow for this to happen.
Hi Five there brother. I have been down that road which eventually ran right off the cliff for all the reasons you stated. We tried early on to explain, but I had a manager that confidence that we could handle everything in a timely manor. Needless to say, he is employed there anymore.
Well, that might work for you, but I would suggest to everyone else that you ALWAYS take a gun to a knife fight if you want to win. I can have my gun out just as fast as some idiot can pull their knife out....PERIOD. Here is a hit, don't walk around oblivious to your surroundings, and you will always be in a position where your side arm (even concealed) can be accessed long before issues arise.
As your first idiotic comment was corrected by WhiplashII above, here you go:
You are aware that almost all KKK members were democrats, right? And that the "party of Lincoln", also known as Republicans, fought a civil war to end slavery?
Please go ahead and continue to shout the lie... /quote.
Personally, I haven't worked with any senior engineers that weren't opposed to new technologies. They were just very skeptical because they have been burned so many times by the empty promises and worse, dealing with unintended issues that result because very rarely is the happy path ever taken. As we all know, it it the edge conditions that cause the issues because a generic frameworks many times cannot anticipate all edge conditions so they just don't handle it.
The young engineers are always ready to change for the sake of change many times, and they have never seen results when things go bad. They also don't seem to understand the full cost ($$$) of the situation of the upgrade. This includes the internal costs of testing as well as the potential cost to the customer for their internal testing. Rarely do I see a true risk analysis done which can be translated into a "risk versus reward" understanding of is the change worth it. All of this comes from experience: it just can't be taught, it must be experienced.
I think you and I need to go have some beers and discuss the scars we have on our backs from being forced to go down the same roads.
If I hear one more person tell me about this great new frameworks that will solve all of the problems, I believe I might beat that someone to death with my stapler.If I hear one more project manager tell me about this great new development approach which will solve the delays, I will take my keyboard and beat them upside the head. What the heck ever happened to good engineering practices..*sigh*.
And now, everyone, please get off my darn lawn.
The big issue with contract work is that you experience the ebbs and flow of the current market conditions immediately. If the market is good for employees (meaning full employment), then I have seen contract workers pull down wages that are better than full-timers. The problem right now is that the market is good for employers because there are so many people looking for work so they can get lower wages.
You just made my day with that comment...thanks!
I really hoping you are being sarcastic because if not, you really haven't worked on any projects of real size. What you describe is really nice for an app that does addition and subtraction, but when you have connections with multiple databases, have several dozen static sockets connections going while processing messages from those sockets, your suggestion of not using objects is naive at best.
Do the professional societies actually recognize "software engineers"? The last time I looked into it, the professional engineering group for the state I lived in would not allow me to take the second test because they didn't consider time in software engineering as effective on-the-job experience.
Yeah, 22mpg sounds pretty low until you realize that he can get that while pulling 10,000lbs+ behind him more than likely. Trying to compare a work truck to a personal vehicle with MPG as your yardstick is pretty useless.
Glad I am not the only one that was left scratching my head of sorts. I skimmed quickly and then thought to myself: what a waste of time.