We will not be implementing support for Sender ID until such time as the issues with the license are fixed and acceptable to the Apache James and Apache SpamAssassin Project Management Committees.
It's obvious that Apache's concerns are of the utmost importance to both MSFT and those conducting the discussions. If they were SO concerned this would have been taken care of long ago. MSFT figures that either Apache will kowtow after users get pissed that they cannot send to those behind an MS mail solution or that they will end up having to break down themselves later. It's a lot bigger of a gamble for Apache to ignore MSFT than it is for MSFT to ignore Apache.
As an alternative resolution, we would find it acceptable if the pending patents were granted to a non-profit organization such as ISOC and licensed under sufficiently open terms.
This, OTOH, is a valid option and should be exercised but I highly doubt it will be for obvious reasons.
Funny I didn't see the Reuters article mention anything about 10mbit/10mbit. They just mentioned 10mbit being 20x faster than "traditional cable modems".
If they are talking about 10/10 then it's only 6x faster than Comcast, not 20x. Your point?
His 10-megabit-per-second service from telecommunications company Bredbandsbolaget is up to 20 times faster than conventional cable modems, enabling a user to download a two-hour movie in a matter of minutes rather than hours.
His 10mbit cable modem is a little over 3x as fast as standard Comcast, 2.5x as fast as standard Cox in GA, about 2.5x as fast as Roadrunner in Western OH, and about 6.7x faster than the rest of the Cable modems I know of (I have heard rumors of Optimum Online being 10mbit). It's about 5x as fast as my Frontier/Visi DSL here in MN, about 6.7x faster than my parent's Epix DSL in PA... The only service I have heard of under 1mbit in recent memory is Qwest DSL here in Minnesota that is only 640k.
We are also comparing Sweeden to the United States... I don't need to rehash the fact that the US is quite a bit larger than Sweeden and the population dense areas are quite a distance apart. You just have to love that they mention sharing a DVD over the Net with a friend, WTF?! Give me a break, why did they even bring that shit up? They know that's illegal here...
Yeah, the US sucks for broadband. It's slow in comparison, it's expensive in comparison (although near here in Chaska, MN they have 1mbit (uncapped so it can go as high as 3mbit bi-directional) mesh-wireless for $17/mo), and it's controlled by single providers. In free markets supply and demand run the system. People are willing to pay $40+/mo for the broadband offered and the companies have no reason to upgrade when people do.
People don't care about viruses, worms, trojans, MPAA/RIAA funded relgulations in the government, political parties, voting/e-voting, wars, etc, but they do care about something...
And that something is the freedom to view porn. Once the US government decides that it is acceptable to expand their reaches to cover the indecency of porn on the net people WILL get pissed off enough to end that bullshit.
They will never have the freedom to see a bunch of fucking shitty sex that will help them be free to have incest while reading Playboy in the Bermuda Triangle!
Worried: MS has a history of hamstringing their good codecs with DRM and other crap too.
*WE* don't want DRM but the rest of the public doesn't know/care and the industry *wants* it. So their "history of hamstringing codecs with DRM" is what makes them attractive.
Ahem, it seems that they are making their inroads to Media domination...
Microsoft will maintain its neutral position in supporting the emerging high definition video formats, said Amir Majidimehr, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Windows Media division, in a statement.
MSFT will remain "neutral" as long as they are getting paid royalties to use the codec in the design. This will likely mean that Open Source alternatives will be shutout although with other technologies OSS has been able to make its way around those roadblocks.
How long until the MPAA gives in or will yet ANOTHER media format be created that won't include MSFT or OSS?
With unemployment rates as they are do we really need to be supporting ANOTHER group of people on UE benefits because we found a more inexpensive way to eliminate their job?
During economic recovery I personally believe we should be trying to create new jobs not closing up holes.
Think of it, the city could reduce costs in other areas such as, say water meter reading - instead of having guy go out with a scanner to each meter, it could transmit to the office when necessary.
And that would eliminate someone's job (and in the case of a city it's likely someone's family member's job). That just shouldn't happen in this period in time and it probably won't happen.
This is pretty thin on details but $10 million in infrastructure and $1.5/year to maintain seems awfully low for such a large coverage area. It's great that Philly has a mayor that is so technologically inclined. Perhaps when the conservatives start whining that there should be controls placed on the network to eliminate freedom of use (porn, etc) he might step in and kick it out?
I suppose that you get what you pay for when you are using a city-wide network (at ~$15) but shouldn't we be offering this without restriction on what you can visit?
It's difficult for me to swap out as I have 1GB of RAM and don't have a swap file enabled. I would say that my ~17MB is just about as correct as it's going to get.
According to the article AbiWord is better because of the larger icons as they are easier to distinguish. The smaller memory footprint which is ~6MB instead of what they claim is ~30MB for Word but which I claim is only ~17MB according to my tasklist).
Once we move into the "Features" section I lose all interest in the comparison... It's apparent that the reviewer doesn't really have a clue how to use Word, take for example: Another great feature in AbiWord is the insert field option. The reviewer fails to mention that Word has many of the same features located under Insert->Date/Time. As far as an updated word counter... That shows in my toolbar (so far I have 120 words). If he was doing this to show what AbiWord can do that Word can do too I don't exactly think he chose the most important item to compare. Personally I would be more interested in a comparison of the quality of documents loaded from other versions. If AbiWord can load a Word97 and Word2000 document better than OfficeXP can then I would be impressed. That's just me though (I have a feeling this would be an important thing to look at for others as well).
The size of AbiWord is a big boost though. The author claims it's around 5MB. If that's true that's pretty good for what you get. I had tried to use AbiWord back in the day while futzing around trying to work on Linux in a Windows world but it failed to meet my needs. For those with small amounts of RAM or a complete need to be MSFT free this seems like a good alternative.
Overall the "review" was weak. I didn't see any points that would make me want to rush out and install AbiWord over any other word processing offering. He basically pointed out some quick things he stumbled upon and didn't do any real digging. Honestly, it's not worth the time spent clicking through the multiple pages.
All participants of that BoF left the meeting with a very excited feeling inside. KDE is going to really take on the struggle for the corporate desktops now, with weapons like NX/FreeNX aboard...
Are they inferring that corporations are all going to finally move to the thin-client type computing that was hyped 10 years ago? I still really doubt that it's going to happen as people are so entrenched in their current mode of deploying applications. MS Office still beats KOffice and OpenOffice and unfortunately I really don't think this is going to change that.
I read through the "interview" (which was more like a press-release-hype-sheet) and I didn't see anything that impressed me as far as non-marketing ad-speak. I haven't seen the source code (and probably won't) but I am confused as to why it must be in Bash scripts and a bunch of libraries. Why can't it just be standard code. I was especially confused by the comment "it's in shell so that everyone can contribute and make our code better." That's odd, I didn't think the Bash code did all that much if you are using libraries of machine code, etc...
I guess I will wait till someone reviews the actual code in use. Maybe after that they will rename it something less Kish than AKademy, blah.
I don't care if they have the best software design in the world for their music store: if they don't have better hardware than the iPod, it isn't going to matter.
They have something MUCH better than Apple as far as hardware goes... Freedom of choice.
Don't be naive. Microsoft will likely use its homegrown Digital Rights Management scheme, known as Janus
I have serious doubts as to whether the GP poster was naive when he mentioned that. If anything I would jump out on a limb here and go so far as to say it was purposefully left out of the article because a) people don't know b) people don't care to know or c) it wasn't included in the original press release from MSFT.
Remember which IM client most Europeans flock to (hint... MSN). Do you think that they won't download the media player themselves when they get an ad across their buddy list telling them to try out MSN Media?
None of these hurdles is trivial, particularly in a business such as selling downloadable music, where actual margins remain only a few pennies per song sold. The real core of Microsoft's goal has little to do with e-commerce and everything to do with selling Windows, analysts said.
No it has nothing to do with selling Windows. It has to do with furthering the MSFT domination in every single technological market that they can slide their way into. The XBox hardware doesn't make them money but they are still getting their name out there and making money via some other channel (additional hardware, monthly Live subscriptions, royalties, whatever).
This is going to be no different. Get the people used to the MSN Music Store. Get them buying songs. Get them buying hardware. Get them used to seeing it in Windows. Make it an integral part of Windows. DRM the BIOS, DRM the OS, and DRM the Music, DRM the hardware/player, RIAA is happy, people get their Music, people are happy, money comes in, Bill is happy.
When the market is comfortable with seeing WMP and MSN media everywhere they are going to LOVE seeing it in their favorite theatre, on their favorite DVD, etc. Then the MPAA is happy and they will happily embrace the format which they are currently rejecting.
What I want to know is when WMP is going to just NOT work when you won't let it phone in what you have been watching/listening to. I've been waiting for that day to come. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in WMP10-1 or WMP11. It's not like 99% of the people don't know that it is doing it and it's not like they care if it is. Most of these people don't have firewalls and even if they do they happily click to allow it to connect out permanently. Anything to make that annoying little box stop popping up.
Tin foil alert level is currently Orange but may raise when the MSN music store gains a foothold.
If you were working in the X divison of a company wouldn't YOU be using a competitors program so that you could know what they were doing to make their side better? I know I would.
In fact, I would be completely disappointed if he DIDN'T run Firefox.
As much as you would love to make it seem like there was some deep theoretical meaning to all the piss, fart, and "fuck" jokes I just can't agree with you.
It was aimed at the masses of jerk-off kids that love to hear people say "fart" and "bong" and "shit".
There are gonna be lots of folks expressing disappointment or downright hostility with the idea of this movie. Let 'em vent. If it's all that bad, Xtian will just sweep it off the board. But the last thing I'm interested in is opinions on what I'm doing this early in the process, if at all. The beauty of making that first flick was being able to do it in a vacuum. Granted, I could've kept my mouth shut about it 'til we were done shooting; but with "Clerks X" coming out, it just felt right to share. Regardless - I don't want folks running here with reports of what's being said about the idea of this film at other boards. Don't waste your/my time with the braying of the jackasses. There's not even a movie to bray about yet. Once there is, if you still still feel the need to tell me what some random, knuckle-headed Talk Backer has to say about the finished product, then God bless. But until then, leave it in the locker room.
Well since there are no girls on Slashdot I'll consider this the "locker room".
If it's not terribly related to Clerks other than the cast why can't you come up with some other completely different name for it? Why must it hang on the success of the first one?
How about you do it on a shoestring budget again? You know the studios will pick it up and they will be especially thrilled if they don't have to shell out millions to the pirates.
As for the rest of his comment I will keep quiet (as he asks) until I see the final result.
You know, Kevin Smith *was* a great movie masterpiece creator until recently. I don't know if it is because of his direct link to Bennifer, or that he has just decided to sell out after 10 years, or that Jay and Silent Bob made the jerk-off teens thrilled with his work, but I am overly disappointed with the news of this movie being made.
It's bad enough that we have 5 or 6 different DVDs for every movie ever made (Digitally Enhanced, Collectors Edition, Gold Edition, Platinum Edition, Boxed Platinum, ad nauseum) but do we really need to make a fucking sequel of every god damn movie that found even partial success either in the theatre or cult/home markets? Baby Geniuses 2 (I didn't even know this movie had a first installment but I was informed that the first one was terrible) comes out and they wonder why a movie shelved for two years (Hero) rakes in unexpected dollars and a lame fucking sequel sucks it up with 3.3 million total?
Let me guess the pirates are to blame for the theft of money AND decent movies. They are the reasons we have to make duplicate copies of everything playing off the same old lines that the first one had and only adding jokes relating to their ages in the next? Baby Geniuses 4, BG's Grandchildren go to Montessori?
I loved Clerks and it was the first movie I seriously remember being sore from laughter after seeing. I think I have watched it more than any other movie I don't own. Do we really need its status as a cult classic scarred by some overpriced, overhyped, overaged wannabe sequel? If he really loves the fanbase he created he would listen to us on this one. It's a bad idea for all those involved, seriously.
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We will not be implementing support for Sender ID until such time as the issues with the license are fixed and acceptable to the Apache James and Apache SpamAssassin Project Management Committees.
It's obvious that Apache's concerns are of the utmost importance to both MSFT and those conducting the discussions. If they were SO concerned this would have been taken care of long ago. MSFT figures that either Apache will kowtow after users get pissed that they cannot send to those behind an MS mail solution or that they will end up having to break down themselves later. It's a lot bigger of a gamble for Apache to ignore MSFT than it is for MSFT to ignore Apache.
As an alternative resolution, we would find it acceptable if the pending patents were granted to a non-profit organization such as ISOC and licensed under sufficiently open
terms.
This, OTOH, is a valid option and should be exercised but I highly doubt it will be for obvious reasons.
Basic service from Comcast in MN now is only 128k up and down.
Excuse me? I just switched from Comcast to Frontier/Visi DSL. It was 3000/256 for their basic cable modem service.
QWest DSL is 256k/256k for their lowest service rate AFAIK. I have no idea where you got that 128/128 crap.
Funny I didn't see the Reuters article mention anything about 10mbit/10mbit. They just mentioned 10mbit being 20x faster than "traditional cable modems".
If they are talking about 10/10 then it's only 6x faster than Comcast, not 20x. Your point?
His 10-megabit-per-second service from telecommunications company Bredbandsbolaget is up to 20 times faster than conventional cable modems, enabling a user to download a two-hour movie in a matter of minutes rather than hours.
His 10mbit cable modem is a little over 3x as fast as standard Comcast, 2.5x as fast as standard Cox in GA, about 2.5x as fast as Roadrunner in Western OH, and about 6.7x faster than the rest of the Cable modems I know of (I have heard rumors of Optimum Online being 10mbit). It's about 5x as fast as my Frontier/Visi DSL here in MN, about 6.7x faster than my parent's Epix DSL in PA... The only service I have heard of under 1mbit in recent memory is Qwest DSL here in Minnesota that is only 640k.
We are also comparing Sweeden to the United States... I don't need to rehash the fact that the US is quite a bit larger than Sweeden and the population dense areas are quite a distance apart. You just have to love that they mention sharing a DVD over the Net with a friend, WTF?! Give me a break, why did they even bring that shit up? They know that's illegal here...
Yeah, the US sucks for broadband. It's slow in comparison, it's expensive in comparison (although near here in Chaska, MN they have 1mbit (uncapped so it can go as high as 3mbit bi-directional) mesh-wireless for $17/mo), and it's controlled by single providers. In free markets supply and demand run the system. People are willing to pay $40+/mo for the broadband offered and the companies have no reason to upgrade when people do.
It's not even funny how much KDE/GNOME resemble Windows, right down to the colors, look, and feel of the desktop. There's even a start menu!
It's not even funny how much Windows resembles MacOS, right down to the colors, look, and feel of the desktop. There's even a recycle bin/garbage can!
It's not even funny how much MacOS resembles the desktop interface at Xerox PARC, right down to the colors, look, and feel. There's even a mouse!
Seems that no one can even design a retail OS without plagerizing someone else's UI.
People don't care about viruses, worms, trojans, MPAA/RIAA funded relgulations in the government, political parties, voting/e-voting, wars, etc, but they do care about something...
And that something is the freedom to view porn. Once the US government decides that it is acceptable to expand their reaches to cover the indecency of porn on the net people WILL get pissed off enough to end that bullshit.
They will never have the freedom to see a bunch of fucking shitty sex that will help them be free to have incest while reading Playboy in the Bermuda Triangle!
Triangle Man beats Firewall man!
Worried: MS has a history of hamstringing their good codecs with DRM and other crap too.
*WE* don't want DRM but the rest of the public doesn't know/care and the industry *wants* it. So their "history of hamstringing codecs with DRM" is what makes them attractive.
Ahem, it seems that they are making their inroads to Media domination...
Microsoft will maintain its neutral position in supporting the emerging high definition video formats, said Amir Majidimehr, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Windows Media division, in a statement.
MSFT will remain "neutral" as long as they are getting paid royalties to use the codec in the design. This will likely mean that Open Source alternatives will be shutout although with other technologies OSS has been able to make its way around those roadblocks.
How long until the MPAA gives in or will yet ANOTHER media format be created that won't include MSFT or OSS?
With unemployment rates as they are do we really need to be supporting ANOTHER group of people on UE benefits because we found a more inexpensive way to eliminate their job?
During economic recovery I personally believe we should be trying to create new jobs not closing up holes.
I'm not arguing with the fact that it should be done. I am arguing that it won't be done.
Think of it, the city could reduce costs in other areas such as, say water meter reading - instead of having guy go out with a scanner to each meter, it could transmit to the office when necessary.
And that would eliminate someone's job (and in the case of a city it's likely someone's family member's job). That just shouldn't happen in this period in time and it probably won't happen.
This is pretty thin on details but $10 million in infrastructure and $1.5/year to maintain seems awfully low for such a large coverage area. It's great that Philly has a mayor that is so technologically inclined. Perhaps when the conservatives start whining that there should be controls placed on the network to eliminate freedom of use (porn, etc) he might step in and kick it out?
I suppose that you get what you pay for when you are using a city-wide network (at ~$15) but shouldn't we be offering this without restriction on what you can visit?
It's difficult for me to swap out as I have 1GB of RAM and don't have a swap file enabled. I would say that my ~17MB is just about as correct as it's going to get.
According to the article AbiWord is better because of the larger icons as they are easier to distinguish. The smaller memory footprint which is ~6MB instead of what they claim is ~30MB for Word but which I claim is only ~17MB according to my tasklist).
Once we move into the "Features" section I lose all interest in the comparison... It's apparent that the reviewer doesn't really have a clue how to use Word, take for example: Another great feature in AbiWord is the insert field option. The reviewer fails to mention that Word has many of the same features located under Insert->Date/Time. As far as an updated word counter... That shows in my toolbar (so far I have 120 words). If he was doing this to show what AbiWord can do that Word can do too I don't exactly think he chose the most important item to compare. Personally I would be more interested in a comparison of the quality of documents loaded from other versions. If AbiWord can load a Word97 and Word2000 document better than OfficeXP can then I would be impressed. That's just me though (I have a feeling this would be an important thing to look at for others as well).
The size of AbiWord is a big boost though. The author claims it's around 5MB. If that's true that's pretty good for what you get. I had tried to use AbiWord back in the day while futzing around trying to work on Linux in a Windows world but it failed to meet my needs. For those with small amounts of RAM or a complete need to be MSFT free this seems like a good alternative.
Overall the "review" was weak. I didn't see any points that would make me want to rush out and install AbiWord over any other word processing offering. He basically pointed out some quick things he stumbled upon and didn't do any real digging. Honestly, it's not worth the time spent clicking through the multiple pages.
All participants of that BoF left the meeting with a very excited feeling inside. KDE is going to really take on the struggle for the corporate desktops now, with weapons like NX/FreeNX aboard...
Are they inferring that corporations are all going to finally move to the thin-client type computing that was hyped 10 years ago? I still really doubt that it's going to happen as people are so entrenched in their current mode of deploying applications. MS Office still beats KOffice and OpenOffice and unfortunately I really don't think this is going to change that.
I read through the "interview" (which was more like a press-release-hype-sheet) and I didn't see anything that impressed me as far as non-marketing ad-speak. I haven't seen the source code (and probably won't) but I am confused as to why it must be in Bash scripts and a bunch of libraries. Why can't it just be standard code. I was especially confused by the comment "it's in shell so that everyone can contribute and make our code better." That's odd, I didn't think the Bash code did all that much if you are using libraries of machine code, etc...
I guess I will wait till someone reviews the actual code in use. Maybe after that they will rename it something less Kish than AKademy, blah.
I don't care if they have the best software design in the world for their music store: if they don't have better hardware than the iPod, it isn't going to matter.
They have something MUCH better than Apple as far as hardware goes... Freedom of choice.
Don't be naive. Microsoft will likely use its homegrown Digital Rights Management scheme, known as Janus
I have serious doubts as to whether the GP poster was naive when he mentioned that. If anything I would jump out on a limb here and go so far as to say it was purposefully left out of the article because a) people don't know b) people don't care to know or c) it wasn't included in the original press release from MSFT.
Remember which IM client most Europeans flock to (hint... MSN). Do you think that they won't download the media player themselves when they get an ad across their buddy list telling them to try out MSN Media?
None of these hurdles is trivial, particularly in a business such as selling downloadable music, where actual margins remain only a few pennies per song sold. The real core of Microsoft's goal has little to do with e-commerce and everything to do with selling Windows, analysts said.
No it has nothing to do with selling Windows. It has to do with furthering the MSFT domination in every single technological market that they can slide their way into. The XBox hardware doesn't make them money but they are still getting their name out there and making money via some other channel (additional hardware, monthly Live subscriptions, royalties, whatever).
This is going to be no different. Get the people used to the MSN Music Store. Get them buying songs. Get them buying hardware. Get them used to seeing it in Windows. Make it an integral part of Windows. DRM the BIOS, DRM the OS, and DRM the Music, DRM the hardware/player, RIAA is happy, people get their Music, people are happy, money comes in, Bill is happy.
When the market is comfortable with seeing WMP and MSN media everywhere they are going to LOVE seeing it in their favorite theatre, on their favorite DVD, etc. Then the MPAA is happy and they will happily embrace the format which they are currently rejecting.
What I want to know is when WMP is going to just NOT work when you won't let it phone in what you have been watching/listening to. I've been waiting for that day to come. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in WMP10-1 or WMP11. It's not like 99% of the people don't know that it is doing it and it's not like they care if it is. Most of these people don't have firewalls and even if they do they happily click to allow it to connect out permanently. Anything to make that annoying little box stop popping up.
Tin foil alert level is currently Orange but may raise when the MSN music store gains a foothold.
He also reveals that he runs Firefox.
If you were working in the X divison of a company wouldn't YOU be using a competitors program so that you could know what they were doing to make their side better? I know I would.
In fact, I would be completely disappointed if he DIDN'T run Firefox.
Oh yeah, and if by "Allied Group" you mean "Allied Interstate" I see why your 'friend' is such a scumbag.
I hope you have no specific meaning when you mention 'friend'. It isn't me or I wouldn't be talking about it.
It isn't Allied Interstate either. But good try!
As much as you would love to make it seem like there was some deep theoretical meaning to all the piss, fart, and "fuck" jokes I just can't agree with you.
It was aimed at the masses of jerk-off kids that love to hear people say "fart" and "bong" and "shit".
From this forum post by Kevin:
There are gonna be lots of folks expressing disappointment or downright hostility with the idea of this movie. Let 'em vent. If it's all that bad, Xtian will just sweep it off the board. But the last thing I'm interested in is opinions on what I'm doing this early in the process, if at all. The beauty of making that first flick was being able to do it in a vacuum. Granted, I could've kept my mouth shut about it 'til we were done shooting; but with "Clerks X" coming out, it just felt right to share. Regardless - I don't want folks running here with reports of what's being said about the idea of this film at other boards. Don't waste your/my time with the braying of the jackasses. There's not even a movie to bray about yet. Once there is, if you still still feel the need to tell me what some random, knuckle-headed Talk Backer has to say about the finished product, then God bless. But until then, leave it in the locker room.
Well since there are no girls on Slashdot I'll consider this the "locker room".
If it's not terribly related to Clerks other than the cast why can't you come up with some other completely different name for it? Why must it hang on the success of the first one?
How about you do it on a shoestring budget again? You know the studios will pick it up and they will be especially thrilled if they don't have to shell out millions to the pirates.
As for the rest of his comment I will keep quiet (as he asks) until I see the final result.
You know, Kevin Smith *was* a great movie masterpiece creator until recently. I don't know if it is because of his direct link to Bennifer, or that he has just decided to sell out after 10 years, or that Jay and Silent Bob made the jerk-off teens thrilled with his work, but I am overly disappointed with the news of this movie being made.
It's bad enough that we have 5 or 6 different DVDs for every movie ever made (Digitally Enhanced, Collectors Edition, Gold Edition, Platinum Edition, Boxed Platinum, ad nauseum) but do we really need to make a fucking sequel of every god damn movie that found even partial success either in the theatre or cult/home markets? Baby Geniuses 2 (I didn't even know this movie had a first installment but I was informed that the first one was terrible) comes out and they wonder why a movie shelved for two years (Hero) rakes in unexpected dollars and a lame fucking sequel sucks it up with 3.3 million total?
Let me guess the pirates are to blame for the theft of money AND decent movies. They are the reasons we have to make duplicate copies of everything playing off the same old lines that the first one had and only adding jokes relating to their ages in the next? Baby Geniuses 4, BG's Grandchildren go to Montessori?
I loved Clerks and it was the first movie I seriously remember being sore from laughter after seeing. I think I have watched it more than any other movie I don't own. Do we really need its status as a cult classic scarred by some overpriced, overhyped, overaged wannabe sequel? If he really loves the fanbase he created he would listen to us on this one. It's a bad idea for all those involved, seriously.