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Googling Behind China's Great Firewall
xcham writes "The OpenNet Initiative, a joint project of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto, the Berkman Center at Harvard Law School, and the Advanced Network Research Group at Cambridge, have released a bulletin regarding the type of filtering applied to Google by the Chinese government. Most notably, certain keywords are filtered, as well as Google's 'cache' function. More information on how the keyword filtering is implemented is available in a previous bulletin."
And I not noticed any filtered . Life in China is and great, and we talk not blocked. I slashdot!
They will never have the freedom to see a bunch of fucking shitty sex that will help them be free to have incest while reading Playboy in the Bermuda Triangle!
Triangle Man beats Firewall man!
I bet those in the know get a free shell account in another country and ssh tunnel all their web traffic through it.
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
...will essentailly "censor" the report too. Whee!
I can't help but wonder how long until this begins to happen in the US, all in the name of fighting terrorism
Question: What's stops someone from doing SSH forwarding to a US box, or using a US proxy?
Damn impressive proof of concept for the US/UK governments. Lets hope they don't get any ideas. There are already some laws in place that prevent US citizens from viewing foreign content, concerning security patches etc. on some foreign software. Perhaps they could use the chinese method for filtering that out or any other unlikable for that matter.
The keywords include 'paper', 'triangle' and 'simple'??
;)
Talk about censorship going out of control.
Well, atleast they can search for 'cthulhu'
Free XBox, PS2
China's great firewall is the only router visible from space.
I guess the Chinese govt has problems with big words.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
bitch shit falun sex tianwang cdjp av bignews boxun chinaliberal chinamz chinesenewsnet cnd creaders dafa dajiyuan dfdz dpp falu falun falundafa flg freechina freedom freenet fuck GCD gcd hongzhi hrichina huanet hypermart incest jiangdongriji lihongzhi making minghui minghuinews nacb naive nmis paper peacehall playboy renminbao renmingbao rfa safeweb sex simple svdc taip tibetalk triangle triangleboy UltraSurf unixbox ustibet voa voachinese wangce wstaiji xinsheng yuming zhengjian zhengjianwang zhenshanren zhuanfalun bitch fuck shit
- Cisco IOS
- DVD license
- Human Rights
- Tibet
- Taiwan
- "fall of communism"
- "Cuba" and "Fidel Castro"
- "funky cold medina"
- "Fragglerock"
Probably because they want to keep people from reproducing, and making it even more crowded.
I work behind my company's firewall.
I live off of Google's cache.
If you squash it down in one place, it'll find a way to bulge out elsewhere. China's attempts are utterly futile (imo).
hmm...
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I've had ICQ messages containing the word "christian" filtered on their way to mainland china (but not Hong Kong). That's on the list, so perhaps it changes with time or service provider. On the list is "unixbox," and I bet there is an amusing story behind that one.
It seems that in the USA, the word Moore is filtered. Can we draw conclusions from that?
No wait.. nevermind.
Certainly this isn't hard to get around, do they filter out images for example? Rot-13, images containing text (or even with the text tacked on the end of the image), or any number of other ways that data could slip through, isn't the Chinese govt fighting a serious uphill battle here? Though one must wonder what the penalty for circumventing the firewall must be.
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
There is censorship in any form, internet or print in any country. It just happens to be that China is not as sophisticated in hiding their techniques as other countries that have had better practice at it.
Or perhaps they want people to know so when you are successful at using one of the banned keywords you are that much easier to prosecute.
So how will I search for Freedom Fry recipes now?
"Bignews: This hypermart bitch is making a naive paper triangle on my simple boxun."
This is not an automated signature. I type this in to the bottom of every message.
I notice the F-bomb appears in their list twice in english, I don't know if it also there in chinese
--- If we knew half the things we shouldn't we'd stop wishing we knew it all
Sometimes I wish computers were less friendly.
That's shocking. I mean Connery was amazing, but Moore wasn't that terrible of an actor. Mind you, he did "star" in Jean-Claude van Damme movie once so that would probably get him on the list.
Insofar as instant/SMS messaging in English is also concerned (also discussed in the article), surely nothing more advanced than Pig Latin (known to confuse many poor parents... for a while) would be necessary to circumvent this.
(I'd thought this was a novel idea, but I understand from a quick Google that it's been done for similar reasons...)
I wonder what they're going to do with Gmail users - say you are a Chinese user, someone sends you pr0n spam (keyword: fuck) or some travel spam (keyword: Tibet) and there you go - sex and independence ads instantly appear on the side!
:-)
If they can block those from HTML content (shouldn't be too hard to eliminate contents of that table cell with ads), perhaps they can commercialize the technology
On the other hand it's going to be fun to see how Google reacts to this type of control - if it weren't for their don't be evil stuff, they'd still want to protect revenue from ads - even now, if only 3% of searches time out, they lose some advertising money. And the visitors get the idea that "Google sucks".
The list of blocked words is really funny - "naive" is considered dangerous, but "biatch" is not on the list...
I wonder if it makes any sense - it's only 1000 words...
this is the site which shows the mirror image of corresponding Google page.This gets u thru the great chinese firewall :))
fifteen jugglers, five believers
the word "freedom" is filtered.
Contrast this with the USA, where "freedom" now officially means "believe what we tell you, then go buy stuff." (this is not a joke)
Interestingly, the Google Mirror is NOT blocked, allowing full access to google through the inverting proxy created by alltooflat.
It seems like all the Chinese government will accomplish with keyword filtering is to force people to butcher their written language conventions in order to communicate.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Score -1: Poster Stupid and Moderators Even Stupider
1.5 million hits !?
Where did you get THAT word ?
There's even a wikipedia entry for it.
EndorPhin
Worked against every filter I've tried recently.
John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)
Here is a wiki which discusses abt the Internet censorship in China
fifteen jugglers, five believers
I read the list... at least the English part... Bitch is in there twice. At the top and bottom of the english list.
I wonder how many people have hacked that DLL?
-- No sig for you!
So, a couple years ago I put together a patch for OpenSSH that added what I referred to as "Dynamic Forwarding" -- put simply, it turned SSH into a sort of "poor man's VPN". You could (and in fact, I do) access almost all Internet services, tunnelled and encrypted, over an SSH session.
After I first presented this hack, I had these three Chinese guys walk up to me, and start asking quite literally the most detailed questions about my architecture that I had ever heard. It quickly became clear that, for the rest of the world, censorship avoidance is a sort of "first step" that anyone who's serious about network access learns to master. The whole line about censorship being damage that the Internet routes around is astonishingly true; the level to which complete non-geeks participate in proxy bouncing, encrypted tunnelling, and whatever else it takes to get out is quite astonishing.
--Dan
I'm hoping this wont get modded down (or up for that matter)
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But here are a few gmail invites, i hope you guys who have it will leave it for the few left who dont..
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-46c6933de8-a41e
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-4
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-4
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-4
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
All the chinese goverment is doing is fooling themselves.
People will notice in the course of daily conversation that certain words when typed won't go through and they will improvise. Soon a whole sub-language will develop and the goverment will be back at square 1.
I'd ask my housemate from China about it, but i can't articulate this sort of topics very well in Chinese.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
They should've just listed the words you can search for, would've saves some space.
http://www.commaecho.com
attacking the west all the time is not intelligent
i would have thought that this slashdot story would have served as an object lesson of something to be thankful for in the west: a tradition of adherence to free expression not found in other areas of the world
this is of course a right we must always be vigilant of encroachment upon and something we must always fight for
but how you can still find reason to attack the west is laughable to me in the context of this censorship by the chinese government, a lesson in how rights of free expression don't exist in other places, and must be fought for in those places
silly me, the real lesson here is for me, not you: some people are just hell bent on attacking the west for whatever it does, whether it is an intelligent criticism or not, simply because, apparently, that is all they know how to do
how about you fight the real fight for free expression: not on hypersensitive esoteric issues like security patches for software, but instead on real, fundamental issues like some of the words you find in the censorship list on the link in the story
i will of course get angry replies to this diatribe of mine if this gets modded up
proof that those who obsess over molehills, while missing the mountains, need a heated rhetorical approach to maintain their pov
always attacking the west is simplistic and navel gazing
there are great fights, much more important fights, going on outside the borders of the western democracies for rights most of us take for granted, and that is a shame, as real good can be done if the children of the western democracies took up ideological and rhetorical arms in that fight, rather than obsessing over comparatively much more minor issues in their home countries
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It seems that in the USA, the word Moore is filtered. Can we draw conclusions from that?
"Moore" is no more filtered than "Windows" is filtered on Slashd[RUN LINUX! --CmdrTaco]anoia.
Great. Now the only access they will have is to spam related sites, since spammers are the ones who are expert at getting around filters.
In terms of personal rights this is the opposite of the personal internet filter packages that have been so consistently trashed on /.
Think about it: what would you rather have, personal choice or goverment control.
Wouldn't you rather have a Nanny product installable by parents in their own home who decide for themselves whether a word like 'sex' should be filtered?
Btw, 'sex' by itself does not appear in Net Nanny's list because it's too general, you have to add it yourself if wanted.
My point: we ought to be supporting products like Net Nanny as a workable alternative to governmental control and loss of rights.
click here if you dare risk the madness.
Don't forget about copyrights, mp3 files, and other 'bad' things the corporation backed government doesn't want us to have access to.
Sure, except that it's not.
Can we draw conclusions from that?
See above.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
The Chinese don't use Kanji. That's a Japanese thing.
But, regardless, how would google be able to find anything using a search query 'encoded' in leet-speek anyway? We're not talking about person to person communications here. These are google searches they're filtering.
Aw crap, ninjas!
Well you do realize the Chinese are just trying to come to modern times. Before they had the Great Wall of China (still around, but largely ineffectual) and now they have the Great Firewall of China...given enough time and a determined hacker it will also be largely ineffectual :)
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
"I think you can draw your own conclusions."
So... you should arrive at a conclusion based on whatever your impression of them is?
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting detail, but I wouldn't go as far as drawing conclusions.
"Derp de derp."
Given that the list of filtered words is available, couldn't someone design a mini-web server that processes pages and converts offending words into readable but unfilterable variants? eg: human rights -> h.u.m.a.n. r1ghts etc. I'm sure a single site offering this would be blocked, but if it were some distributed thing like SETI that a bunch of people could run around the world, it would be very difficult to block or filter.
The citizens of Falun will sure be suprised to find that they too are on the blacklist..
I don't believe this is the real list at all, the english part is way to small for what they're apparently trying to accomplish, and there are dups. Net Nanny has several hundred words and all it's really trying to cover is porn not political issues as well.
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There is censorship in any form, internet or print in any country. It just happens to be that China is not as sophisticated in hiding their techniques as other countries that have had better practice at it.
That's the sort of meaningless statement that means you spent too much time in college.
Whatever you think is "censorship" in your 1st world western country ain't jack compared to the real thing. Saying that it is sucks - just the children of privilege pretending to be victims again.
The word "freedom" is blocked. It seems quite "s*mple" to me that there won't be a "fr**china" for a long time to come.
/. accounts.
I wonder if the chinese propaganda ministry has
Looking at the list of banned words, the following mathematics question is also banned:
How do I calculate the GCD of the sides of a simple triangle that is drawn out on a sheet of paper?
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for english anyway:
/. code?
bitch, shit, falun, sex, tianwang, cdjp, av, bignews, boxun, chinaliberal, chinamz, chinesenewsnet, cnd, creaders, dafa, dajiyuan, dfdz, dpp, falu, falun, falundafa , flg, freechina, freedom, freenet, fuck, GCD, gcd, hongzhi, hrichina, huanet, hypermart, incest, jiangdongriji, lihongzhi, making, minghui, minghuinews, nacb, naive, nmis, paper, peacehall, playboy, renminbao, renmingbao, rfa, safeweb, sex, simple, svdc, taip, tibetalk, triangle, triangleboy, UltraSurf, unixbox, ustibet, voa, voachinese, wangce, wstaiji, xinsheng, yuming, zhengjian, zhengjianwang, zhenshanren, zhuanfalun, bitch, fuck, shit
I was trying to post it without the commas, but the Lameness filter said I couldn't do it,
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: That's an awful long string of letters there.
Did the Chineese guvmint reuse
You can't handle the truth.
I noticed that the blacklist of English words includes "shit" twice.
China also requires its citizens to wipe twice after excreting.
In mother China, Google filters you
"Don't waste your time or time will waste you" -MUSE
They block 'unixbox'? Why in the world would they want to block that?
Again, Mr mods, im not expectin any moderation for this, just tryin to help out the poor buggers wihtout gmail.
;)
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And again, i would really apreciate it if you guys left the accounts for those who dont have it. If you have one already you will get your own invites to play with soon enought..thanks in advance
P.S. Remember slashcode fucks URL's up, so just take any spaces out, they dont belong there.
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-86a2397c6c-57b0
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-8
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-8
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-8
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-8
http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-8
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
If you ultimately rely on the government for your "rights" you deserve to have them taken away from you. people seem to forget that the government is not the source of our rights and freedom, but merely a stewert. The pioneers didn't rely on the British government to give them the rights they deserved. ultimately, they took them back for themselves, organizing a government around those rights.
All that said, you people don't seem to notice that the system of checks and balance, though esqued at times, WORKS. It'll lean one way and it'll lean the other, but it ultimately balances back out becuase the people know their inaliable rights aren't govenmnet endowed.
You'd think this was the first major crisis the US has ever had with a foreign combatants and security for cryin out loud in the way you people talk. Not that we've ever seen them in WW2, WW2, the cold war, the korean war, the etc etc etc. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE presented rights and free speech issues and SOMEHOW we MAGICALLY recovered from the extreems inherant in them. (McCarthyism anyone???)
This has happened before and contrary to popular belief, the sky is NOT, I repeat, NOT falling. It's not new, it's happened before and guess what? You're still posting on slashdot, bitching about it, so what does that tell you? Let me help-- A) You're obviously not a student of history and B) You're rights of free speech have managed to come through nearly a century of sporatic warfare and turmoil unscathed.
Imagine that.
You need a FREE iPod Nano
I'm so happy I can keep talking about nasty stuff like the triangleboy's new UltraSurf unixbox he bought at UltraMart, not to mention the playboy's paper in the peacehall which teaches how to setup a Huanet SafeWeb.
Seriously, how come these assholes will get the Olympics in 2008?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
There is censorship everywhere. The Chinese government is the biggest censorer in China.
The government is a big censorer in the US too, there is the MPAA, the FCC, censoring your movies, television and radio broadcasts. I was thinking on reading the book: "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair recently. Many times before I read a book I like to check out Amazon reviews. One helpful reviewer mentioned that the version he was reviewing was a censored version and that a recently published uncesored version came out. My county library system has a gaggle of the censored version of the book, but only one copy of the uncensored.
It's because you misspelled it, it's bukkake. Make a 3rd not for yourself.
If you follow a link that has been used, you see the person's new e-mail. Should be great for spammers just google a-86a2397c6c and voila hundreds of valid e-mail adresses.
So word to the wise, don't expect your effortless gmail account to be safe, wait till you get it the right way.
Seriously, the people at Yahoo and Cisco that helped them implement this filtering regime (custom firmware for routers and consulting services), along with the executvies, should be tried for crimes against humanity and hanged. Slowly (the hanging, not the trial).
One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.
So its their rules... As long as they are abusing people then its none of our business.
As far as saying 'restricting information' is abuse, if they dont agree with the information its no different th en someting we dont agree with and make illegal to know.
And if you dont think 'civilized nations' dont censor what they dont believe is right, then you live in a cave.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
that the fight for uplifting the rights outside of the west to very basic levels is of greater import than the fight against esoteric threats to rights within the west
call me crazy, but i think the mountain is more important than the molehill
to say that, as a citizen of the west, you don't have control over things outside your country, is wrong on 2 counts:
1. then you are guilty of navel gazing and selfishness, thinking basic rights end at the rio grande, a sin of xenophobia more commonly used as a criticism of conservative westerners but perfectly appropriate to liberals who are hypersensitive to minor abuses within the west but deaf and dumb to outrageous abuses outside the west (it is a grand liberal tradition i might add to have a global, rather than a provincial outlook)
2. as one can plainly see by the text in the slashdot article above, it is entirely possible to fight evil happening outside of the west from the vantage point of the west: "The OpenNet Initiative, a joint project of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto, the Berkman Center at Harvard Law School, and the Advanced Network Research Group at Cambridge, have released a bulletin regarding the type of filtering applied to Google by the Chinese government."
so by all means, continue obsessing over your molehills, and ignore mountains of evil, but don't expect me to respect you for continuing to do so after i have brought this discrepancy to your attention
all i ask for is intelligence, and i see none in the obsession over the minor intrawestern threats, and the ignoring of the major extrawestern threats, by all measures of what is a minor and major threat to a person's basic human rights
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I may not be in China, or even behind a firewall, but i found something cool on google. You can actually get a free ipod. I checked out the site and it's legit. Want a free iPod? go to here: http://www.freeipods.com/default.aspx?referer=8566 500
...as since the ActiveX thingy is not propperly signed.
Just try French Fry and you'l find it easily enought...
--The knowledge that you are an idiot, is what distinguishes you from one.
They also spoof DNS responses, too: http://www.dit-inc.us/hj-09-02.html.
"Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." (John Maynard Keynes)
There are two functional problems with it:
1) it fails to block effectively (false negatives)
2) it fails to pass properly (false positives)
There is a further problem, philisophical or political in nature:
almost every one of these products uses a proprietary block list, the contents of which are not available for review. With the products exhibiting this behavior, you can override specific domain or keyword blocks, but the list as a whole is protected. This is itself a problem. What makes the problem especially bad is that there is generally a political agenda woven into the block lists. For example, National Organization for Women might be blocked for obscenity or something. Peacefire.org, an anti-censorware site, has been blocked under multiple categories including "hate speech"! So you are putting your access - or your kids access - in the hands of those who are unscrupulous about shading the experience to their political beliefs.
There, The subject of my comment will now prevent anyone in china from reading any of the comments for this slashdot story.
(It's funny BTW - Not 'troll')
Thank you.
i might add that for every thousand well meaning souls in the west obsessing over guantanamo because of its implications on their rights, i bet you can find only ten who even know where darfur is, much less have any concern for it
;-)
;-)
so your whole "there's space to worry about everything" counterargument only works if it were true that people's concerns for problems were genuinely proportionate to the scale of the problem
but it's not, its driven by media interest and propaganda, and not by intelligence
cheers
ps: no nationalistic barb needed at the end of my argument to make my case- what is it canadians always accuse americans of? oh yeah... it's interesting to see the shoe on the other foot
why do you think you need a stupid nationalistic barb to support your viewpoint, especially on an issue of international regard?
i guess i can conclude then that stupid tribal-level chest-thumping is apparently a universal human phenomenon, and not one originated and exported by americans, fashionable propaganda to the idea notwithstanding
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
What are Mongolians doing here? Hey!! Why you tearing down my city wall?!?
I really like the back!
I, for one, welcome our web-filtering Chinese overlords.
Can anyone shed some light on the reason why some of the more obscure terms are filtered? I know falun and the derviations are related to Falun Gong, but some of the acronyms I have never seen before. For instance
dsdz
dpp
ffa
I do find it amusing that unixbox is a filtered word.
telnet://zombiemud.org:3000
why isnt google and good sites striving for democracy and enlarging the power of corporations of the usa not offering https/ssl connections to their websites and so forth, so chinese firewall couldnt do filterting based on keywords, but simply blocking. and if you block too many sites your inet connection to the rest of the world will be next to useless and your whole country will go selfdestruct.
anyone care to answer why nobody is offering them poor chinese https/ssl?
just wondering
So when are we going to "liberate" China?
I heard that Canada blocks some free speech too, such as not allowing certain television channels and websites.
look up the word "hyperbole" in the dictionary of your choice
As of now, I AM treated like the people in China.
this is patently false, and reveals in you an ignorance of the rest of the world, and perhaps even the country you live in
We need the voters to take action...
reason number one why you are not treated like the people in China
you are full of some major hyperbole
and a good dose of fear, uncertainty and denial as well
what i am looking for you to have instead is wisdom, and intelligence
you have not demonstrated any of that
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
is there any more proof you need that lack of human rights somewhere is lack of human rights everywhere?
it IS your problem if people in CHina don't have free speech, because you are a human being, a citizen of the world
if you reject this notion, then i present to you 9/11: the gripes of saudi arabians will become your problem, because it is one small planet, and arbitrary tribal geopolitical borders mean nothing in a world of jet air travel and the internet
additionally, for every thousand well meaning souls in the west obsessing over guantanamo because of its implications on their rights, i bet you can find only ten who even know where darfur is, much less have any concern for it
so your whole "there's space to worry about everything" counterargument only works if it were true that people's concerns for problems were genuinely proportionate to the scale of the problem
but it's not, its driven by media interest and propaganda, and not by intelligence
in the world you live in, you spend all of your time making sure your hedges are trimmed all neat and tidy every day, but then they are burnt down because the house next door is crackhouse and the meth lab blew up
in the world i live, i pay attention to the neighbors, and i call the cops in when i see drug deals going down on my stoop
you better be concerned with the problems of the world, not because they are your fault, but because they are your responsibility as a human being to his fellow human beings
to understand the difference between fault and responsibility is to be an adult in this world
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
read about rights in china, you need an education, you really are a child
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+hyperbol
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
some more words to describe your pov: hysteria, histrionics
please, you are uneducated about some simple facts about the state of the world and your place in it
you also seem to be overpropagandized if "infowars.com" is your source of information (!?)
please, listen to me very carefully: take an open, honest, sober appraisal of the state of human rights in China... use any REPUTABLE media source you want, from any country (except the obvious: Iran, North Korea, Myanmar... places where human rights are equivalently denied) and tell me again that the level of rights you enjoy are anywhere near that of the average Chinese citizen
you can't, because they're not: simple undeniable truth
we're tlaking orders of magnitude differenc ein standard of rights
also: read some other posts under this slashdot story, you'll find the same conclusions
also: read the story this slashdot post is linked to, about the level of censorship going on in china
dude: reason, logic, persepctive, scale, context- these are words you need to grow familiarity with, because you don't have any of those words in your hyperagitated state of fear and uncertainty and denial
you will not find truth on propaganda websites and with the level of hysteria you display about some pretty obvious truths about the state of the world and your place in it
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
For what is worth:
I spent 5 weeks in China (Guangdong) recently. Those 5 weeks I spent working regularly, every day, and that, of course, means accessing Google at least a dozen times every day. I did not notice any filtering, cache and everything worked as well as when I accessed Google from New York City, Paris, Zagreb, Hong Kong, Singapore, Praha...
Simpy
China is friends with the US, foreign-policy-wise, in spite of being a massive aggressive communist country with ongoing gross human rights violations and a stated desire to invade other democratic countries. The US government seemingly has no pro-democracy agenda whatsoever, nor are they 'defenders of democracy and human rights' in any sense, in spite of what they claim are amongst the main reasons for spending billions of dollars of tax-payer money, sending thousands of Americans to die, and killing many thousands more innocent foreign civilians.
the patriot act is stupid and takes fundamental rights backwards in the us
however, the need to take rights forward in china is more pressing and important
why?
because the patriot act takes two steps back
giving a billion chinese a basic right to free expressions is two thousand steps forward
perspective
scale
context
i am a huamn being, not an american
i care about problems in a global context, not an american context
in a global context, chinese without the simple fundamental righ tto free expression is a problem 2 million times greater than some vague changes to relatively liberal rights fat lazy americans already enjoy, and don't do much good with
think i'm wrong?
then do something good with your rights, and fight for the rights of those in china
the mark of a true global liberal
rather than a tired punitive western local liberal
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Try to remember last time you saw a dead marine on TV.
What about when you googled for something and surprinsingly there weren't any live web sites about that matter any more.
When I was China, and all the school teachers went on a day out, to tour part of the wall outside Bejing, I tried to explain this to one of the english teachers.
Well, what can one expect from a hard working teacher in a fashistic nation, that tells you she has no opinion on contemporary issues, because she hasn't yet read the party bulletin, concerning the subject.
BTW: regarding the funny rated post previously. Chinese internet users have access to porn. You will notice this, as soon as you enter an internet cafe located on the great peoples republic, where everything is just great, and the grass is definetly greener there - they use spray paint!
"1: Before i can fight for china I have to be free"
you are more free than the vast majority of the world
doesn't that mean something to you?
you are free, as far as someone from china, iran, or north korea would consider
don't they deserve the same freedoms you enjoy?
for typing these words on slashdot that you do now, in those countries, you can be sent to jail- no trial, no questions, nothing
do you understand?
do your MINOR problems have any context to their MAJOR problems?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
BTW, the government is cracking down on porn sites by asking ordinary people to help, and this action is quite popular among most people. Personally I'm indifferent to this, since although I don't visit porn sites, such cracking-downs may well extend to sites disagreeing with the Party, some of the information in which can be quite instructive to a Chinese student (even for someone who mostly supports the Party!). The ironic thing is that although hardcore porn sites are not easy to find in China, and porn is indeed illegal, it is still hard to find a news site that porn-paranoid parents can allow their children to roam freely... you need to be really careful not to stumble onto some pornographic material (or things that are obviously very unsuitable for children) on the biggest news sites.
the patriot act is a step towards north korea
it is stupid
but there are 2,000,000 more steps to go before we get there
of more value is the one HUGE step towards freedom of expression by simply making what you say on the internet legal in places like china, simple dissent: in china, you can be thrown in jail for simply disagreeing with hu jintao! (their leader)
listen to me: "george w bush is a moron"
something i really believe
i don't hear any knocks at my door
so i say it again: do you see the difference between your TINY step backwards and the HUGE leap forward that can be made in china?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
My conclusion is that they're trying to filter crappy American propaganda.
Think about it. Americans LOVE to use the word freedom.
Yet, they don't realize how fast they're losing it.
only a truly evil government could implement a filter that blocks the word "making" and "playboy"
but doesn't block the word goatse.
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i believe that the raging fire in your neighbor's garden that threatens to spread to your garden is more important than your aphid infestation
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Well, i'm in China and i can see it. Just plain old internet, no proxies or anything like that.
bitch shit falun sex tianwang cdjp av bignews boxun chinaliberal chinamz chinesenewsnet cnd creaders dafa dajiyuan dfdz dpp falu falun falundafa flg freechina freedom freenet fuck GCD gcd hongzhi hrichina huanet hypermart incest jiangdongriji lihongzhi making minghui minghuinews nacb naive nmis paper peacehall playboy renminbao renmingbao rfa safeweb sex simple svdc taip tibetalk triangle triangleboy UltraSurf unixbox ustibet voa voachinese wangce wstaiji xinsheng yuming zhengjian zhengjianwang zhenshanren zhuanfalun bitch fuck shit
I just did a traceroute to Google and got this:
C:\WINDOWS>tracert www.google.com
Tracing route to www.google.akadns.net [64.233.167.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 15 ms 17 ms 16 ms foobar.com
[...snip...]
9 66 ms 66 ms 65 ms Google.CHCGILDTGR00.bb.telus.com [154.11.3.210]
10 66 ms 67 ms 66 ms 216.239.46.10
11 69 ms 69 ms 68 ms 64.233.175.26
12 67 ms 67 ms 67 ms www.google.akadns.net [64.233.167.99]
Trace complete.
So my local ISP has a server just for Google and even Google is not Google but rather akadns.net. WHat gives?
What I'm wondering: If someone moderates my comment funny, and then someone else moderates it overrated, will my karma go down?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
The fish is actually pretty good at Chinese to English. Some examples follow - I'm sure you get the meanings. There's some great insults here too :-)
Three represent | a table party | party multi- parties | party democracy | people dictatorship | politics | room self-consolation | to console blows the dreary | dreary sexual harasser | color bra | privately to cover the underpants | trousers | trousers place | private crisply to die | the crisp metamorphosis | condition younger sister to hurt | loves the younger sister pain | pain younger brother to hurt | loves the younger brother pain | pain elder sister to hurt | loves the elder sister pain | pain elder brother to hurt | hurts the elder brother pain | pain to have a sextual intercourse | Fang Dabao the | artillery to make likes | liking the sexual intercourse | sextual affection | nature doing likes | the artificial love | doing holds you | to hold Japan you | daily to approve | daily compels | The date penis | chicken I holds | holds dies | holds the breast | young penis | cloudy male genitals | positive to open the bud | bud anus | anus vagina | peduncle | cloudy meat stick | meat meat stick | meat meat hole | meat immoral woman | to swing the scrotum | cloudy testicle | to hold you | holds I | to hold inserts me | inserts you | inserts her | inserts him | to insert does you | dryly to do her | dryly to do him | to do the prostitute | prostitute | to hand over | hands over the masturbation | obscene mouth obscene | obscene anus | fart
i am not an american, i am ahuman being
"our rights" apply to chinese as equal to americans according to me
and i might add, until more people think like me, we will continue to have the problems in the world we do have
arbitrary tribal geopolitical borders do not make a sound basis for justice, morality, or a human conscience
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
And the USA is not a massive aggressive country with ongoing gross human rights violations and a stated desire to^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H long history of invading other democratic countries.
:) Deterrence and stuff.
You seem to be pretty confused. China didn't attack anyone, despite having several separatist territories that rightfully belong to China (though they respectfully disagree) and human rights violations in China are not that serious, once you ignore the lack of political freedom. Thus there is no reason for anyone to "liberate" them, much less the US.
And of course there is the fact that China has nukes. The USA doesn't attack countries with nukes, as any North Korean dictator will tell you.
Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
I live in China.It's true,and what makes me angry is that even Google was blocked somedays in 2003!