Except that BSD runs on a microkernel and OpenBSD runs on a scaled-down powerful, secure, and thoroughly audited system. MS-Windows runs on ~30,000,000 lines of code (unmatched by anything but IBM's system360 which has been in feature freeze for 20 years) and a giant set of programmes that each overwrite previous programmes shared libraries instead of...well...sharing them. (.DLLs)
More then 10 guys will just get lost in the ms-spaghetti code. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Unfourtunately slashdoom is not open sourced:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
I looked up on my shelf and saw a western digital drive and couldn't help it.:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Western Digital Caviar (tm) 280 AT Compatible Intelligent Drive WDAC280 Drive Parameters: 980 cyl - 10 heads - 17 spt - 85.3MB MDL: WSAC280-32M P/N: 99-004071-02 CCC: A3 24 NOV 91 12V =-=-= 0.4 A 5V =-=-= 0.2 A Made In Singapore E 101559 LR 68850 DCM: BEABTF
Well they still make -IDE- drives:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
You've got me. I personally use both FreeBSD and Linux (though i have more experience with the latter), and I think that *BSD and Linux are coexisting in a way of keeping eachother on their toes.
It was mentionned quite recently on slashdot that Linus was helping patch BSD code. Frankly, that shows what kind of cooperation we can have between the two freenixes. The more my-os-is-better-then-your-os bickering we have, the less seriously the general public will take our opinions, and the more difficult it will be to take on the operating system that truly is our competition, if only by happenstance.
Lets unite, people, we have a common goal, lets work together. Drop your debian-is-better-then-redhat or redhat-is-better-then-debian or open-bsd-kicks-all-other-freenix-s-rear-ends arguments and lets see how we can put our umpteen thousand heads together and put together software unmatched in the history of computer science.
The day *linux and *bsd users work together is the day freenices will rule the operating system market.
(but lets keep microsoft around so we don't get sued by the DoJ) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Yeah. First posts can be funny if they are original. But someone else will do this tomorrow, and the next day. It will have been funny this time.
As far as I'm concerned though, we're all inanimate sql entries to eachother.:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Can I use CODs to buy slashdot hats and tshirts now?:)
But more seriously, what this shows us is that people don't pay attention to what they are doing before they do things. If you don't do something as simple as set a password on your database, it should come down to the same thing as leaving the key in the ingition, the car running, and noone in the car, in the third lane of a four lane highway in rush hour. Insurance won't cover it. People have to be careful when they start up a business that they are doing everythign right.
If you are thinking of starting an ecommerce site, then higher a security professional to come in and take a look at it. They are out there, they are there for a reason. Credit card numbers are a very personal thing, and having them publically available is just plain bad, even if its not on purpose.
In legal terms, if you kill someone and didn't mean to, its called 'involuntary manslaughter' and you still go to jail. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
I've been using debian since bo (1.3), and found it even then, having never sat at a linux console before (though i'd had shell accounts on slack for some time), it was still relatively easy to install. At the time I was doing it with a friend, as I was advised and advise myself, never install linux alone the first time. apt was introduced in hamm or retroactively in slink, i can't remember. (i went straight from bo->potato after being lazy for a while, with apt.)
I find dselect/dpkg and now apt to be a very easy, self-explanatory set of programmes. But linux itself isn't yet for the clueless. You need to have some understanding of computers before you install it and that won't change for probably another year.
RedHat attempts towards it, but its too difficult in redhat to upgrade and install packages and dependencies for new users who've never heard of freshmeat. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Perhaps its time to reallocate our valuable and abundant CPU resources to things like SETI@Home or perhaps a project to distribute the calculation of pi to see if we can find a repeating pattern. Either way, distributed is an obsolete and top-heavy project that has served its purpose. Maybe its time to put our hacking minds together and come up with something altogether new to think of. Perhaps theoretical artificial intelligence.
Lets reallocate all this power to productive uses. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
There is lynx, sure, but there is w3m, and there is..ther is..elvis! Yes, elvis, the hyper-improved-and-two-million-features-added-vers ion-of-vi browses html files instead of editing them! And you can always pipe your graphics through with zgv if you have SVGALib (which some people seem to dislike *shrug*)...and oh i almost for got... don't you use telnet to browse the web?:)
And heck! The telnet-way of browsing is the easiest of all to install! its in netbase!:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
I think we will have to make a lot more giant strides in our technology and rebuild a lot of backbones with newer equipment on the world infrastructure before this can really happen. As far as I can tell, the traffic and userbase is increasing faster then the underlying infrastructure and that can't hold forever.
/serious as long as we are using lynx, though, we don't need to worry about web ads &c. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Tell us when the chip actually does come out instead of contributing to the hype around it.
Funny, though, something tells me it won't replace my 486 cpu anyway...:) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
I don't know what to think of this, but my gut feelings are as follows:
1) Gates has been MS President since Linus was 4 years old, and perhaps its time to move on. 2) He's becoming chief software architect - i was not aware he knew how to code. 3) Is he, perhaps, up to something as this is right on the heels of the latest noises from the monopoly trial...
And it also reminds me; who is slated to take over for (knock on wood) Linus, if something happens to him? The worst thing that could happen to the linux community would be to run around like a headless chicken.
Just my $0.02 (add GST if in Canada) #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
If you wanted to put $10 on each of those credit cards you'd be $3M ahead. That's no small job. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Don't pick on them so damm much - they're just stuck in a while loop. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
I'm so happy we have state-run radio in Canada as well as the commercial stations... They keep eachother more-or-less honest (ok so both commercial and government radio are inherently biased) and the government radio (CBC) has no advertising. None. No crappy programming to grab listeners (stern) and some of the best people in the radio business (shelagh rogers and peter gzowski)
the us public stations are public, not state-run, and have those obnoxious we-want-money-from-our-listeners things. #include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1); }return(0);}
Two ways I see this as being practical (as cmdrtaco and hemos both, imho, are taking the wrong approach):
1) Moderators may use their mod-points to moderate the stories (and possibly the stories could be listed in order of score, much like comments, configurable et al.)
OR
2) Have segfault-style story ratings, which work quite effectively. You read the story and have a How do you rate this story? [Funny, Stupid, Brilliant] and the average and total are shown after you rate it.
Either takes a fair bit of code though - unless the slashdot-poll engine is used.
I am sure that most of you know - whether you believe it or not - the story of Jonah from the Hebrew bible.
In the story, god comes down and tells Jonah that humans have to fix their ways or they will be destroyed. When humans fixed their ways, nothing happened to them and Jonah was peeved at god for making him go to the trouble of fixing their ways if nothing was to happen.
The point I'm making is we spent billions upon billions of dollars fixing this bug. The bug is squashed. Y2k comes along, and the bug is already dead and as such doesn't bite. Everyone cries because they didn't get hit by the bug to know it was real.
Disclaimer: I don't "believe" in god or subscribe to organised religion other then culturally, but the religious texts are there for just this kind of occasion. The events that have been built around them are just to make people remember that there is this set of texts as a... how to say, "man page" for human problems. Think about it.
When I was 10, I pulled out a 50 year old copy of the encyclopedia britannica(sp?) and looked up morse code, and proceeded to memorise all three types listed (american - its whacked, shipping (two tones), and international), and now, 8 years later, I very much want to get into the ham radio scene, but like all geek toys seem to be lately, it is getting dominated by wannabes. I have no call sign but often listen with what ever radio i can scrounge up, usually my short-wave.
I remember reading an explanation of a buffer overflow in ssh that allowed a cracker to get in to the last server anyone would have suspected a successful breakin to...
Slashdot Mirror
Except that BSD runs on a microkernel and OpenBSD runs on a scaled-down powerful, secure, and thoroughly audited system. MS-Windows runs on ~30,000,000 lines of code (unmatched by anything but IBM's system360 which has been in feature freeze for 20 years) and a giant set of programmes that each overwrite previous programmes shared libraries instead of...well...sharing them. (.DLLs)
; }return(0);}
More then 10 guys will just get lost in the ms-spaghetti code.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Because insightful[opinion]!=informative[fact]?; }return(0);}
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
heheh
:); }return(0);}
I can just picture it...
there's lxdoom and psdoom and now slashdoom...
Unfourtunately slashdoom is not open sourced
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
I looked up on my shelf and saw a western digital drive and couldn't help it. :); }return(0);}
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Western Digital
:); }return(0);}
Caviar (tm) 280
AT Compatible Intelligent Drive
WDAC280 Drive Parameters: 980 cyl - 10 heads - 17 spt - 85.3MB
MDL: WSAC280-32M
P/N: 99-004071-02
CCC: A3 24 NOV 91
12V =-=-= 0.4 A
5V =-=-= 0.2 A
Made In Singapore
E 101559 LR 68850
DCM: BEABTF
Well they still make -IDE- drives
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
You've got me. I personally use both FreeBSD and Linux (though i have more experience with the latter), and I think that *BSD and Linux are coexisting in a way of keeping eachother on their toes.
; }return(0);}
It was mentionned quite recently on slashdot that Linus was helping patch BSD code. Frankly, that shows what kind of cooperation we can have between the two freenixes. The more my-os-is-better-then-your-os bickering we have, the less seriously the general public will take our opinions, and the more difficult it will be to take on the operating system that truly is our competition, if only by happenstance.
Lets unite, people, we have a common goal, lets work together. Drop your debian-is-better-then-redhat or redhat-is-better-then-debian or open-bsd-kicks-all-other-freenix-s-rear-ends arguments and lets see how we can put our umpteen thousand heads together and put together software unmatched in the history of computer science.
The day *linux and *bsd users work together is the day freenices will rule the operating system market.
(but lets keep microsoft around so we don't get sued by the DoJ)
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Yeah. First posts can be funny if they are original. But someone else will do this tomorrow, and the next day. It will have been funny this time.
:); }return(0);}
As far as I'm concerned though, we're all inanimate sql entries to eachother.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Can I use CODs to buy slashdot hats and tshirts now? :)
; }return(0);}
But more seriously, what this shows us is that people don't pay attention to what they are doing before they do things. If you don't do something as simple as set a password on your database, it should come down to the same thing as leaving the key in the ingition, the car running, and noone in the car, in the third lane of a four lane highway in rush hour. Insurance won't cover it. People have to be careful when they start up a business that they are doing everythign right.
If you are thinking of starting an ecommerce site, then higher a security professional to come in and take a look at it. They are out there, they are there for a reason. Credit card numbers are a very personal thing, and having them publically available is just plain bad, even if its not on purpose.
In legal terms, if you kill someone and didn't mean to, its called 'involuntary manslaughter' and you still go to jail.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
I've been using debian since bo (1.3), and found it even then, having never sat at a linux console before (though i'd had shell accounts on slack for some time), it was still relatively easy to install. At the time I was doing it with a friend, as I was advised and advise myself, never install linux alone the first time. apt was introduced in hamm or retroactively in slink, i can't remember. (i went straight from bo->potato after being lazy for a while, with apt.)
; }return(0);}
I find dselect/dpkg and now apt to be a very easy, self-explanatory set of programmes. But linux itself isn't yet for the clueless. You need to have some understanding of computers before you install it and that won't change for probably another year.
RedHat attempts towards it, but its too difficult in redhat to upgrade and install packages and dependencies for new users who've never heard of freshmeat.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Perhaps its time to reallocate our valuable and abundant CPU resources to things like SETI@Home or perhaps a project to distribute the calculation of pi to see if we can find a repeating pattern. Either way, distributed is an obsolete and top-heavy project that has served its purpose. Maybe its time to put our hacking minds together and come up with something altogether new to think of. Perhaps theoretical artificial intelligence.
; }return(0);}
Lets reallocate all this power to productive uses.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
There is lynx, sure, but there is w3m, and there is..ther is..elvis! Yes, elvis, the hyper-improved-and-two-million-features-added-vers ion-of-vi browses html files instead of editing them! And you can always pipe your graphics through with zgv if you have SVGALib (which some people seem to dislike *shrug*)...and oh i almost for got... :)
/
:); }return(0);}
don't you use telnet to browse the web?
$ telnet some.host.com 80
GET
HTTP 1.1 [you know the rest]
...
$
And heck! The telnet-way of browsing is the easiest of all to install! its in netbase!
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
All yours with a private OC-48 connection!
; }return(0);}
I think we will have to make a lot more giant strides in our technology and rebuild a lot of backbones with newer equipment on the world infrastructure before this can really happen. As far as I can tell, the traffic and userbase is increasing faster then the underlying infrastructure and that can't hold forever.
/serious
as long as we are using lynx, though, we don't need to worry about web ads &c.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Tell us when the chip actually does come out instead of contributing to the hype around it.
:); }return(0);}
Funny, though, something tells me it won't replace my 486 cpu anyway...
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
I don't know what to think of this, but my gut feelings are as follows:
; }return(0);}
1) Gates has been MS President since Linus was 4 years old, and perhaps its time to move on.
2) He's becoming chief software architect - i was not aware he knew how to code.
3) Is he, perhaps, up to something as this is right on the heels of the latest noises from the monopoly trial...
And it also reminds me; who is slated to take over for (knock on wood) Linus, if something happens to him? The worst thing that could happen to the linux community would be to run around like a headless chicken.
Just my $0.02 (add GST if in Canada)
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
If you wanted to put $10 on each of those credit cards you'd be $3M ahead. That's no small job.; }return(0);}
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
Don't pick on them so damm much - they're just stuck in a while loop.; }return(0);}
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
I'm so happy we have state-run radio in Canada as well as the commercial stations...
; }return(0);}
They keep eachother more-or-less honest (ok so both commercial and government radio are inherently biased) and the government radio (CBC) has no advertising. None. No crappy programming to grab listeners (stern) and some of the best people in the radio business (shelagh rogers and peter gzowski)
the us public stations are public, not state-run, and have those obnoxious we-want-money-from-our-listeners things.
#include <signal.h> \ #include <stdlib.h> \ int main(void){signal(ABRT,SIGIGN);while(1){abort(-1)
No that's not what I meant - but that's a really good idea :)
:)
I just think that we should have moderators rank stories ALREADY POSTED or have all users rank them like is done on segfault. Nothing complex
Two ways I see this as being practical (as cmdrtaco and hemos both, imho, are taking the wrong approach):
1) Moderators may use their mod-points to moderate the stories (and possibly the stories could be listed in order of score, much like comments, configurable et al.)
OR
2) Have segfault-style story ratings, which work quite effectively. You read the story and have a How do you rate this story? [Funny, Stupid, Brilliant] and the average and total are shown after you rate it.
Either takes a fair bit of code though - unless the slashdot-poll engine is used.
Ah, so that's why the local paper has the personal adds in the middle of the comics :)
I am sure that most of you know - whether you believe it or not - the story of Jonah from the Hebrew bible.
... how to say, "man page" for human problems. Think about it.
In the story, god comes down and tells Jonah that humans have to fix their ways or they will be destroyed. When humans fixed their ways, nothing happened to them and Jonah was peeved at god for making him go to the trouble of fixing their ways if nothing was to happen.
The point I'm making is we spent billions upon billions of dollars fixing this bug. The bug is squashed. Y2k comes along, and the bug is already dead and as such doesn't bite. Everyone cries because they didn't get hit by the bug to know it was real.
Disclaimer: I don't "believe" in god or subscribe to organised religion other then culturally, but the religious texts are there for just this kind of occasion. The events that have been built around them are just to make people remember that there is this set of texts as a
When I was 10, I pulled out a 50 year old copy of the encyclopedia britannica(sp?) and looked up morse code, and proceeded to memorise all three types listed (american - its whacked, shipping (two tones), and international), and now, 8 years later, I very much want to get into the ham radio scene, but like all geek toys seem to be lately, it is getting dominated by wannabes. I have no call sign but often listen with what ever radio i can scrounge up, usually my short-wave.
. //-.-./---/-.././/../...//-..././../-./--. //-/..../.-././.-/-/./-././-../......//
Lets keep morse alive.
//-.-./--.-/-..//-.-./--.-/-..//--/---/.-./.../
And just when I thought the Data Encryption Standard was absolutely uncrackable...
:)
Maybe now we can use a lab rat to duplicate that whooly mammoth that was found last year! oh, what science can do for us! :)
Isn't this what caused the demise of RootShell?
I remember reading an explanation of a buffer overflow in ssh that allowed a cracker to get in to the last server anyone would have suspected a successful breakin to...