Maybe you didn't read the MySQL licence... "Sun makes its MySQL database server and MySQL Client Libraries available under the GPL for use with other GPL-licensed software and FOSS applications licensed under GPL-compatible FOSS licenses. In addition, for open source projects and developers creating and distributing open source software under certain FOSS licenses other than the GPL, Sun makes its GPL-licensed MySQL Client Libraries available under a FOSS Exception that allows distribution of the FOSS application with the MySQL Client Libraries without causing the entire derivative work to be subject to the GPL." and keep reading it at MYSQL site
Any software project that does not fit in the above description must pay a licence.
Hackintosh users doesn't need to live without 10.6.2 update: make a copy of 10.6.1 kernel, install 10.6.2, DON'T REBOOT, rename new kernel to kernel10.6.2, rename old 10.6.2 kernel again, reboot. The hackintosh user will have everything updated except the kernel. you can even use new and updated kexts made for the new kernel... You can also a small patch on source code and have kenel 10.6.2 but it's a little bit of work for a tiny hackintosh:
I can tell you making ASP.Net 2.0 (still beta2 - due for November 7th) is VERY innovative
You probably have never heard of Apple WebObjects. But you are not completely wrong: ASP.Net is getting as good as WebObjects were five years ago. Probably next version (Microsoft always makes good 3.xx versions of it's technologies) it will even surpass WebObjects.
It's easy to tell what is better when you don't know the contenders (sorry, it seems you don't know them at all), but in my case, being both a OSS and proprietary IDE software user it's getting more and more difficult to tell what solution is technologicaly better and allows better productivity in the software development field...
"What Indonesian judge and jury do you think would allow Microsoft to win a judgement?"
Any judge pressed by its own government because USA government is making pressure through a commercial embargo... It usually works, and US government use to do it very often.
OTOH I'm probably the most stupid human in the face of Earth, because I can't get it: Why a person (specially an Indonesia's information minister) would show itself like an idiot to the entire world if this problem could be elegantly solved by following Brazil federal government's steps to heve legal software?
What you just said is "CVS is dead. Project forks like CVSNT and OpenCVS are alive and healthy". And more important: solving very, very, very old problems. Oooops. I mean, changing very, very, very old "features".
Do you really believe IBM and Dell produce their own notebooks? What ingenuity! They already allow a foreign manufacturer to produce their notebooks with their logos. Notebooks from IBM and Dell are mostly produced in China or Taiwan by other companies.
The problem here is the company that wants to aquire the IBM desktop computers company. They're not known by the quality of their product, if you understand me.
I can't say for sure if it's real and I don't want do start once more a flame war about which license is evil and which license is panacea, but they have at least a good start point: FreeBSD Linux binary compatibility layer and other related code under BSD license.
Dispite of Dr. Sauer motivations, and what is in the article, it's obvious that he, an economist, didn't read "Homesteading the Noosphere" (ESR), and consequently doesn't understand the open source economy and how and when forks happen (and why forks don't happen so frequently).
(I know it's offtopic but...)
BTW, the Slashdot page organization (tables inside tables inside tables) is almost impossible to understand when using screen/buffer readers.
Fortunately the proposed xhtml/css way of generating the pages is much, much better.
What your post has to do with Linux and Brazil and how that is good for Brazil which it is very good is beyond me You're right: my post has nothing to do with the story, but is specially related to the original post being replyed.
Just admit you hate the US. Unfortunately for you I don't hate US, nor any country from Europe, as you seems to do.
Usually I would not reply this kind of message, since it seems like a troll answer, but I must do that to make my position clear: I do not like most US government actions taken in under-developed countries in the last 200 years. It doesn't mean I like the way my country is being used by its own politicians, specifically the last dictartorship period (1964-1990), specially the seventies. The same opinion about many european countries in the past.
But there is something I have nothing against: the US people. Why? I have a business visa that allowed me to really know american people, some of them I confess are good friends of mine.
So let me come back to the topic: many of you already knows about Order 39 of Mr. Bremer. If you do not, just google it;-) This is the kind of action I'm talking about In the other hand, I really do like the UN plans for the International Year of Rice 2004 and many other UN initiatives. Supporting poor countries in producing their own food is a good solutions instead of distributing food. Anyway I think US may continue this kind of action while not effectively helping to restore peace, nor giving conditions to make the country economicaly independent, what really solves the problem. UN did not have very good results on both in the past, the Security Council is powerful enougth to not care about it. But other members of UN are trying hard on those priorities and I'll give them a chance. Even some people from US staff at UN are trying to do the right thing. And I subscribe to their ideas and efforts.
About da Silva efforts in being an administratively responsible president, I agree that it's not good to see a few billion dollars going to other country for the sole purpose of paying licenses instead of being spent on the internal economy. If Brazil did not have so many problems related to poverty to solve, it would not be a big issue, but it's not the case.
Another issue about poverty: most poor countries were very rich colonies and also the most productive ones. Sadly almost every good administered colony usually became a very poor country, which went through (and still suffers from) dictatorship and civil war periods.
After all the crap we do to help all the other countries in the world (current administration excluded)
I beg your pardon? What kind of help? I think you have missed your history classes, or you have lost your memory or maybe the history classes you attend in US don't tell you what really happens outside USA and the long term consequences of many US interventions on Asia, South America, Africa and Middle East (not only the current administration).
KDE 2.2 in Unstable? Kernel 2.2 in Unstable? Are you nuts or what?
Well, maybe you have not visited debian.org since Woody was released a long time ago... If you don't know what I'm talking about, Woody=Stable and I have never used it with 2.2 kernels, only 2.4.xx.
But you were talking about Unstable, and I'm using Sid (Debian Unstable) so I can use my winmodem, XFree86 4.3.0, CUPS 1.1.19, emacs 21.2, GCC 3.3.1, KDE 3.1.3, MPlayer 1.0pre2, Perl 5.8.0 and other up to date software.
BTW, I love the way Conectiva implemented apt-get for rpm, and the way SuSE organized their rpm repository to avoid weird package conflicts when updating (I've tryed SuSE 8.2 and the only thing I have to complain is about the Brazilian Portuguese translations inside Yast2 and a few other configuration utilities). Very, very well organized.
Thanks, SuSe:-)
About Debian mailing list, I use to see people posting answers using RTFM acronym, but I also use to see many other people giving very polite answers. And it's not usual to see "you idiot" from people wich e-mail ends with "@debian.org". Also about manuals, everybody use to overevaluate the complexity of dselect, as you may see in "Debian Quick Reference", a small 29 pages reference to "tasks", "apt-get", "dpkg", "dselect" and stable/testing/unstable system.
When you say "Debian is falling to pieces", considering many new distributions are based on Debian, I think I would not say this, as I didn't say "RedHat is falling in pieces" when Conectiva, Mandrake, SuSE, among others, based their initial distribution on RedHat. But I have no doubt Debian is not the most popular, nor Slackware, but they won't disappear just because of it. I think Debian will remain a good and free distributuion, very well tested, with fast security updates, and very well organized repository of applications. Not for everybody, and not to be trashed, but to remain as a reference on those topics I've already mentioned
P.S.: I don't think the "backports" John "Mad Dog" Hall applyed to 2.2 kernels were horrible as you've said. Many machines (like my old Psion 5MX, for example) would not have being using some improvements made in Linux kernel 2.4 (mantained by Marcelo Tosati) if John didn't make a so good job.
No, it's not the interpreter. It's the garbage collector and mainly the JIT. The JIT of JVM in 1.4 is hotspot (almost the same used in Windows), but it doesn't work well on Solaris as the older one.
Ask your software engineers to do what a software engineer use to do: verify if the design was made thinking in scalability. If not, it doesn't matter if it's a good design for just two nodes or ten nodes cluster.
Second: profile, profile, profile
Third: well, almost anybody that has used a J2SDK (or JRE) on Solaris knows about its problems. Try to run Volano's benchmark to know more about this. But like any banchmark, please don't believe your software will perform the same way the benchmark does. It is just an indicative.
There is a memo about this problem, supposedly from Sun.
If the problem realy exists (I know it does, but you should find it by yourself), you'll know your Solaris servers will not deliver as much transactions as other power processing equivalent servers.
If your concearns are all about costs, you should make tests with x86 solutions. Some big players like IBM and HP will let you make some tests on a test machine (specially if your transition is successful and you let them put your case in an add;-)
For a large number of people 1GHz is fast enough, and a silent 1GHz chip would be more welcome than a 5GHz chip with a built-in tornado.
That's why BTX form factor is being used in new mainboards and new cases projects. A BTX case allows less noise (but won't solve the heat problem) using the same trick Apple used in its Power Mac G5 Dual.
How would you like it if you were a car manufacturer and suddenly a government would start producing cars and competing with you using taxpayer money?
Why should a government use taxpayer money to make a cell phone company be viable? Of course a initial investment is needed, but it may have a ROI after two years.
It happened in the brazilian oil company, Petrobras, that needed a initial investment to be created, investment that returned after few years. Now, instead of using taxpayer money, it is giving money to government. And there isn't protection from government, it just happens that Exxon, Shell, and so, don't have the excelence in the technology of extracting oil from reserves that are located under deep sea (more than 1.5 miles under water and a extra mile under the sea ground) with competitive cost.
If a government doesn't protect its cell phone company and let the competition decide what is better, what's the problem?
Comparing salaries in USD between two different countries is the same as comparing oranges and apples. I don't live in India but I think the same logic that applies to Brazil can be applied there: food, habitation, clothes and so are very, very, very cheap (if compared to US), and tech products are the same price which means it's considered high price for major part of population.
One dollar can buy about 6 pounds of healthy high quality food (vegetables, fruits, low cholesterol beef), and a good DVD player costs about a hundred bucks. Health care is also cheaper compared to the individual earning.
That's one of the reasons the math related to economy is a little bit complex...
"only unix == wxPython or GTK
only MS Windows (eg, needing ActiveX support) == wxPython or MFC
MS Windows or unix == wxPython or Tkinter
MS Windows or unix or MacOS == Tkinter
MacOS and anything else == Tkinter"
And don't forget AnyGUI which makes possible to code once and run using GTK, QT, wxPython, MFC, MacOS Classic, MacOS X, Tkinter...
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Maybe you didn't read the MySQL licence... "Sun makes its MySQL database server and MySQL Client Libraries available under the GPL for use with other GPL-licensed software and FOSS applications licensed under GPL-compatible FOSS licenses. In addition, for open source projects and developers creating and distributing open source software under certain FOSS licenses other than the GPL, Sun makes its GPL-licensed MySQL Client Libraries available under a FOSS Exception that allows distribution of the FOSS application with the MySQL Client Libraries without causing the entire derivative work to be subject to the GPL." and keep reading it at MYSQL site
Any software project that does not fit in the above description must pay a licence.
Hackintosh users doesn't need to live without 10.6.2 update: make a copy of 10.6.1 kernel, install 10.6.2, DON'T REBOOT, rename new kernel to kernel10.6.2, rename old 10.6.2 kernel again, reboot. The hackintosh user will have everything updated except the kernel. you can even use new and updated kexts made for the new kernel... You can also a small patch on source code and have kenel 10.6.2 but it's a little bit of work for a tiny hackintosh:
Try using JFFS or JFFS2 instead of FAT. These filesystems were created with NAND memory in mind.
It seems you're not completely correct about the real reasons, since cPanel does include PostgreSQL configuration tools...
ISPs install MySQL using root.
Cpanel just configures it. It doesn't install apache, mysql and so.
BTW, cPanel didn't forget PostgreSQL
You probably have never heard of Apple WebObjects. But you are not completely wrong: ASP.Net is getting as good as WebObjects were five years ago. Probably next version (Microsoft always makes good 3.xx versions of it's technologies) it will even surpass WebObjects.
It's easy to tell what is better when you don't know the contenders (sorry, it seems you don't know them at all), but in my case, being both a OSS and proprietary IDE software user it's getting more and more difficult to tell what solution is technologicaly better and allows better productivity in the software development field...
I'm not a genius mathematician, but it seems 36,000,000 citizens don't make a majority of the US population...
Any judge pressed by its own government because USA government is making pressure through a commercial embargo... It usually works, and US government use to do it very often.
OTOH I'm probably the most stupid human in the face of Earth, because I can't get it: Why a person (specially an Indonesia's information minister) would show itself like an idiot to the entire world if this problem could be elegantly solved by following Brazil federal government's steps to heve legal software?
What you just said is "CVS is dead. Project forks like CVSNT and OpenCVS are alive and healthy". And more important: solving very, very, very old problems. Oooops. I mean, changing very, very, very old "features".
Do you really believe IBM and Dell produce their own notebooks? What ingenuity! They already allow a foreign manufacturer to produce their notebooks with their logos. Notebooks from IBM and Dell are mostly produced in China or Taiwan by other companies.
The problem here is the company that wants to aquire the IBM desktop computers company. They're not known by the quality of their product, if you understand me.
I can't say for sure if it's real and I don't want do start once more a flame war about which license is evil and which license is panacea, but they have at least a good start point: FreeBSD Linux binary compatibility layer and other related code under BSD license.
Dispite of Dr. Sauer motivations, and what is in the article, it's obvious that he, an economist, didn't read "Homesteading the Noosphere" (ESR), and consequently doesn't understand the open source economy and how and when forks happen (and why forks don't happen so frequently).
Fortunately the proposed xhtml/css way of generating the pages is much, much better.
You're right: my post has nothing to do with the story, but is specially related to the original post being replyed.
Just admit you hate the US.
Unfortunately for you I don't hate US, nor any country from Europe, as you seems to do.
Usually I would not reply this kind of message, since it seems like a troll answer, but I must do that to make my position clear: I do not like most US government actions taken in under-developed countries in the last 200 years. It doesn't mean I like the way my country is being used by its own politicians, specifically the last dictartorship period (1964-1990), specially the seventies. The same opinion about many european countries in the past.
But there is something I have nothing against: the US people. Why? I have a business visa that allowed me to really know american people, some of them I confess are good friends of mine.
So let me come back to the topic: many of you already knows about Order 39 of Mr. Bremer. If you do not, just google it ;-) This is the kind of action I'm talking about
In the other hand, I really do like the UN plans for the International Year of Rice 2004 and many other UN initiatives. Supporting poor countries in producing their own food is a good solutions instead of distributing food. Anyway I think US may continue this kind of action while not effectively helping to restore peace, nor giving conditions to make the country economicaly independent, what really solves the problem. UN did not have very good results on both in the past, the Security Council is powerful enougth to not care about it. But other members of UN are trying hard on those priorities and I'll give them a chance. Even some people from US staff at UN are trying to do the right thing. And I subscribe to their ideas and efforts.
About da Silva efforts in being an administratively responsible president, I agree that it's not good to see a few billion dollars going to other country for the sole purpose of paying licenses instead of being spent on the internal economy. If Brazil did not have so many problems related to poverty to solve, it would not be a big issue, but it's not the case.
Another issue about poverty: most poor countries were very rich colonies and also the most productive ones. Sadly almost every good administered colony usually became a very poor country, which went through (and still suffers from) dictatorship and civil war periods.
I beg your pardon? What kind of help? I think you have missed your history classes, or you have lost your memory or maybe the history classes you attend in US don't tell you what really happens outside USA and the long term consequences of many US interventions on Asia, South America, Africa and Middle East (not only the current administration).
Even though, many already knows Conectiva's apt for rpm, since it's being used for some time by Red Hat and SuSE, among other distributions.
But you were talking about Unstable, and I'm using Sid (Debian Unstable) so I can use my winmodem, XFree86 4.3.0, CUPS 1.1.19, emacs 21.2, GCC 3.3.1, KDE 3.1.3, MPlayer 1.0pre2, Perl 5.8.0 and other up to date software.
BTW, I love the way Conectiva implemented apt-get for rpm, and the way SuSE organized their rpm repository to avoid weird package conflicts when updating (I've tryed SuSE 8.2 and the only thing I have to complain is about the Brazilian Portuguese translations inside Yast2 and a few other configuration utilities). Very, very well organized.
Thanks, SuSe :-)
About Debian mailing list, I use to see people posting answers using RTFM acronym, but I also use to see many other people giving very polite answers. And it's not usual to see "you idiot" from people wich e-mail ends with "@debian.org". Also about manuals, everybody use to overevaluate the complexity of dselect, as you may see in "Debian Quick Reference", a small 29 pages reference to "tasks", "apt-get", "dpkg", "dselect" and stable/testing/unstable system.
When you say "Debian is falling to pieces", considering many new distributions are based on Debian, I think I would not say this, as I didn't say "RedHat is falling in pieces" when Conectiva, Mandrake, SuSE, among others, based their initial distribution on RedHat. But I have no doubt Debian is not the most popular, nor Slackware, but they won't disappear just because of it. I think Debian will remain a good and free distributuion, very well tested, with fast security updates, and very well organized repository of applications. Not for everybody, and not to be trashed, but to remain as a reference on those topics I've already mentioned
P.S.: I don't think the "backports" John "Mad Dog" Hall applyed to 2.2 kernels were horrible as you've said. Many machines (like my old Psion 5MX, for example) would not have being using some improvements made in Linux kernel 2.4 (mantained by Marcelo Tosati) if John didn't make a so good job.
No, it's not the interpreter. It's the garbage collector and mainly the JIT. The JIT of JVM in 1.4 is hotspot (almost the same used in Windows), but it doesn't work well on Solaris as the older one.
Second: profile, profile, profile
Third: well, almost anybody that has used a J2SDK (or JRE) on Solaris knows about its problems. Try to run Volano's benchmark to know more about this. But like any banchmark, please don't believe your software will perform the same way the benchmark does. It is just an indicative.
There is a memo about this problem, supposedly from Sun. If the problem realy exists (I know it does, but you should find it by yourself), you'll know your Solaris servers will not deliver as much transactions as other power processing equivalent servers.
If your concearns are all about costs, you should make tests with x86 solutions. Some big players like IBM and HP will let you make some tests on a test machine (specially if your transition is successful and you let them put your case in an add ;-)
That's why BTX form factor is being used in new mainboards and new cases projects. A BTX case allows less noise (but won't solve the heat problem) using the same trick Apple used in its Power Mac G5 Dual.
Huh!?! Shouldn't the question be "Where do you want to go today"? ;^))))
Why should a government use taxpayer money to make a cell phone company be viable? Of course a initial investment is needed, but it may have a ROI after two years.
It happened in the brazilian oil company, Petrobras, that needed a initial investment to be created, investment that returned after few years. Now, instead of using taxpayer money, it is giving money to government. And there isn't protection from government, it just happens that Exxon, Shell, and so, don't have the excelence in the technology of extracting oil from reserves that are located under deep sea (more than 1.5 miles under water and a extra mile under the sea ground) with competitive cost.
If a government doesn't protect its cell phone company and let the competition decide what is better, what's the problem?
Maybe I'm really an idiot, but I couldn't realize why it's so funny. IBM bacame 18 companies by the time it was devided.
One dollar can buy about 6 pounds of healthy high quality food (vegetables, fruits, low cholesterol beef), and a good DVD player costs about a hundred bucks. Health care is also cheaper compared to the individual earning.
That's one of the reasons the math related to economy is a little bit complex...
only MS Windows (eg, needing ActiveX support) == wxPython or MFC
MS Windows or unix == wxPython or Tkinter
MS Windows or unix or MacOS == Tkinter
MacOS and anything else == Tkinter"
And don't forget AnyGUI which makes possible to code once and run using GTK, QT, wxPython, MFC, MacOS Classic, MacOS X, Tkinter...