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Upcoming SuSE 9.0 Professional Reviewed
molarmass192 writes "Open magazine has the first review I've seen of the upcoming SuSE 9.0 (or should that be SUSE 9.0 now?) Professional distribution. To summarize, they are impressed with the upgrades to Yast (it's fully integrated into the KDE control panel), Samba integration, Winmodem support, network configuration management, and performance. It's not the most thorough review I've ever read, but it's an interesting look at what to expect for those who have preordered SuSE 9.0."
"Oh SUSE Q, oh SUSE Q!
Oh SUSE Q, Version 9.2, SUSE Q."
Also, about this. SuSE uses GNOME 2.2? But GNOME 2.4 was *just* released. Mandrake Linux 9.2 is going (or should I say already has) uses GNOME 2.4. I have had a lot of problems before with GNOME 2.2, and I just got Mdk 9.2 RC 2 with GNOME 2.3 (or something) and all the problems are fixed.
hrrm, suse 9 mandrake 9.2 and red hat 10, so much linix goodness.
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If you can't download an ISO, that instantly rules out a large chunk of the potential users. And I don't mean some run from CD wierdness - if I want that I'll use Knoppix.
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... that perhaps the most secure and enterprise-friendly Linux release gets previewed on the same day Steve Ballmer slanders Linux as non-secure?
Unless they've changed something, they have a habit of having everything including the kitchen sink included.
I guess that's good. Most everything is behind a version or two by the time it hits your hands though (in the past).
Perhaps I'm simply spoiled by the FreeBSD ports collection (any good package manager really) where I run cvsup to get the ports collection current, then I can either build from source or pkg_add -r pkgname and install the binary quickly across a network.
Don't take this a knock though, SuSE was the *nix that I learned on, and it's still awesome. Just seems somewhat unwieldy to bundle so much software in that is going to go out of date so quickly.
Great for situations without net access though.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
People may ask why we should shell out money to pay for open source programs...well, open source doesn't mean free source. Someone had to put in their time and energy programming this stuff. And since most of us haven't contributed to the source code, we could at least support those who have. :)
Mad penguin review
german review (translation)
- Jj
I've got a copy of Libranet 2.8.1 on my spare computer here. 128 Mb RAM, 366 SillyCelery, nVidia 32 Mb card, running KDE. It's snappy. It's slick. It works. It sets a very high standard. OK, OO takes 37 seconds to start up, but otherwise it's OK. Libranet sets a very high standard.
That compliment does not come easily. I typeset annual reports in WP Win, use Paradigm database manager, dream in Excel macros, am a regular customer of InfoUSA mailing lists, use and despise WinWord and Netscape, and live and breathe QuickBooks2003 and mail merge. I know and make money with Win2000.
So, is SuSe as good as Libranet? I find Linux a relief after a day with Windows. If you don't have to do color separations or LAB, GIMP rules!
I concur with you whole heartedly my fellow Linux user.
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I use to use SuSE in the past. It has become quite slow and bloated, even on my athlonXP.
I switched to Freebsd because its slim and lightening fast. I have a hunch its mainly its own version of xinet and yast that slows things. I wonder if it could be faster and if it is, if I should switch?
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SuSE doesn't give away ISO images for free. Why must you insist on ISOs? You can download all the FTP-based install files for free and then do all the freeloading FTP or SAMBA over-your-local-network installs you please. I think SuSE has the finest, most refined Linux distro going and I actually buy the full version from them every other version or so...to help support their efforts. I also download all the FTP files and set up my own internal distro install server. It's not that much extra work, and I actually like it better since a SuSE install base is huge, it spans multiple CDROMs (or a DVD disk, and I don't yet have any DVD drives) and I hate swapping CD discs during the installation, I prefer to kick off the install and let it run to completion all by itself while I go away and do something else. An FTP install over 100Mbps LAN is faster than even a 48x cdrom drive anyway.
sorry i'm not famililar with how big projects work...how do they keep track of who contributed to the work?
Does anyone have the torrent for the live-eval cd yet?
Also, do they actually think that people buy it since they can't download an install iso instead of just using a differnet distro like drake?
I use the Flipscreen3D screen saver, it's honkin' fast.
I started on Linux with the first Naba Barkakati text with Slackware. Then I went to the InfoMagic Workgroup Server (rh5.2), wound up with SuSe7, now LN.
I use it to catalog my pics from my Canon
G3 with Gallery. Linux is now a go on the desktop. The development is just amazing.
- Ship with Kernel 2.6, with support for the most obscurest hardware.
- Gnome 2.6 (that means decent file dialog and banishing gconf-editor and metacity)
- KDE 3.2 (Yes, KDE 3.2 alpha is pretty good, surley an XP beater. The Crystal SVG 0.9 theme is perfect!)
- Use a package manger like urpmi, yum, apt-rpm (not apt-get, that uses a non standard package format)
- Has the command line stripped out with EVERYTHING, I MEAN EVERYTHING possible for the GUI, NO EXCEPTIONS, not even for Emacs zealots)
I loved SuSE 8.0, and it is one of the best distros ever, but I'm currently with Mandrake 9.2, but the distribution that gives me what I want will get my money! We all know what "X" stands for (In mac terms, not X11 terms), so create the best "X" you canI dunno if it's mentioned on the /.ed review, but when I tried out the live-evaluation CD, it auto-detected every single piece of hardware in my machine and configured it automatically withou asking me a single question about it. Why the hell can't windows do this?!
Sounds sort of like the reviewer never actually used previous SuSE versions, but just copied marketting blurb claims. He makes a big deal about how new it is that SUSE 9.0 does....exactly the same thing that the 8.2 I'm running at home does.
Namely it set up dual boot with Windows XP and mounted the NTFS file systems read-only.
S.u.S.E. also includes a tool named hdparm.
3 Years ago you were told, sorry you can not use your Winmodem with Linux! ;-) That's improvement.
And now
When can we expact that Windows runs Linux binaries? (okay that will never happen but I could not resist)
NoSuchGuy
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I'm a SuSE 8.2 user, and while YaST is very, very nice, I still feel it's missing one feature. In Windows XP, it automatically detects wireless networks, and configuration is as easy as clicking on network "so-and-so."
:(
I know about programs like airsnort, but when will a distro build this feature in? Wireless networking is still a major pain in Linux
I've just installed SuSE 9.0 on my laptop this evening. I wasn't sure if it would be worth upgrading from 8.2 as the changes didn't seem that major, but I like to support SuSE since they do such a good job, and I've bought every version since 7.2 so it seemed like a shame to stop now...
Anyway, I copied all my important data onto the server downstair, stuck the disk in a did a full install. (I've always done an upgrade before, but I thought it was about time to have a clean sheet again).
I was really impressed with the installation - went really smoothly, and detected nearly all my hardware straight off, with only the Wacom graphics tablet not detected. It was improved over previous versions in that it gave options for connecting to networks and authentication via LDAP and stuff like that. One of the last things it offered to do was connect to the internet to get the latest updates, which I allowed it to do. It also got the proper NVidia drivers and the MS TTF fonts.
I did the usual fiddling to get the display exactly how I like it, copied the data back from the server and I have a fully working system again.
Now I'm starting to notice the improvements. The first thing I noticed was the considerable improvement in boot speed. The next thing I noticed was how the fonts were all looking really nice without me having to change any settings. (Although I have now changed to Bitstream Vera because I prefer that).
Then I plugged my camera in, and a new icon appeared on the desktop for it automatically. (I tried to ages to get 8.2 to do that).
My samba connection to the server is working without me having to fiddle with any settings.
I'll admit it's early doors yet, but so far things are looking really good, and I'm very pleased I upgraded.
Ho hum for the life of a bear
Also, do they actually think that people buy it since they can't download an install iso instead of just using a differnet distro like drake?
Actually they *know* people buy it whether or not they'd offer a free ISO download. Also what's this obsession with ISO downloads? SuSE install images would span at least 7 ISO image files. They offer the entire FTP/SAMBA-based install set of files for free download, about 6GB worth, so the total download btye-count to get yourself a freeloader's install-base is about the same. All you need then is to set up an internal FTP or SAMBA server to host these files and then you can do all the install-over-your-LAN installations you please. Over a 100Mbps LAN it even goes much faster than a CDROM install does, plus you're not bothered to do all those pesky disk swaps as does a cd disk-based installation require.
I think I'll wait to see what Steve Ballmer says. Odds are he'll discover that SuSE/SUSE is just as insecure as all the other Linuxes.
Better safe than sorry.
I got a better idea.
We'll all wait around until YOU write an operating system; we'll see how good that is; and when you tell us you have bills to pay, we'll tell you to do what you're telling all your friends in the community to do right now.
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - actor Fred Berry was found dead in his Los Angeles home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
I love you, SLT. If I was a woman or gay I would marry you and let you father my children. Your posts are absolute classics.
Now how about an upgrade to SuSE PPC. We're still stuck at 7.3....
Want list before I'll install SuSE:
:) :)
:)
Kernel 2.6
VirtualDub, and not a demo version
NTFS write access
Flash MX
Something like Visual Basic for applications added onto Open Office (I heard the Qt people had something in the works?)
Working DivX player
Doom
Gimp 2, when it's out of beta
Perl 6, when it's there
PHP 5, when it's out of beta
PostgreSQL 7.4, when it's out of beta
So I suppose it'll be a year or two..
But it's good to see they're making progress. Even when it's sometimes in rather obsolete areas (e.g. winmodems
DVD recording on the other hand is a big plus!
Still a much better distribution than Red Hat with the ubiquitous Red Hat branding and bending things their way..
Its so sad they took a wonderful distribution like Slackware and made it windows.
Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Of course the sources will be available but they won't offer an installable distribution for free.
Heh. So much for "objective and unbiased." But as a SuSE fan, I do understand.
It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then, it's hilarious.
I shell out money for linux because it's worth it, why else?
"might as well install ms?" I think you're a little confused - if you thought the whole point of linux was price tag, you've missed the whole point.
Is a hoard of Debian Zealots trying to convince you to switch. I'm here to pre-empt them.
/lib/modules, as you are going to need it.
First of all, Debian has the most out of date software packages of any major mainstream distros. Even in the unstable version, is KDE 2.2 and Gnome 2.0, with Xfree86 4.1 (A version that really sucks).
Secondly, its a pain in the goatse to set up, first of all, you are forced to use Kernel 2.2, which is horribly hacked with "backports" to get any use on any modern machine (Read, made after 1999). Good luck memorizing all the *.ko files in
Configuring XFree86 is hell! If you don't have a Thick X11 orilley book, and a list of your horizontal sync values from your monitor's intruction manual (if you even have one), BOOM! There goes your monitor.
Even then, good luck getting anything over 640x480@16 colours.
The most common response to help questions on the Debian mailing list is "n00b, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you idiot, go back to WINDOWS XP if you can't learn to use dselect", true too, search the archives if you think I'm lying. Other distros give you comprehensive PRINTED MANUALS, PHONE SUPPPORT and/or freindly forums where repling RTFM gets you banned!
Debians support for any decent hardware, including USB mice, scanners, Sound cards, heck even Serial devices struggle. If you can even get 80x25 text mode with PS/2 input devices you are really lucky.
Apt-get has many flaws. First of all it uses a non standard package format (the rest of the world uses RPM, deprecate the DEB format!), has broken respetories, and out of date software to install.
And if you think I'm joking about this, find out why THOUSANDS of Debian users are switching to REAL distributions. Debian is falling to pieces, if it is to survive any market share it will be through its superior forks (Xandros, Lindows, K/G-noppix) and unoffical package respetories.
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and I'm happily using distros such as Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo and Fedora. But I'm sick to death of zealots that push obsolete Distros on me EVERY FREAKING TIME A DISTRO is reviewed. I'm speaking from real world experiance here, My Old packard bell monitor caught fire because of Debian!
I had a similar experience, but I was a bit let down when it taunted me with Windows (XP) drives. It found them all and added them to my desktop, but since they're NTFS, they won't open. Exactly what the benefit of adding unusable links on the desktop/workspace is, I don't know.
GL
You see, it all started with Windows. All the pretty colors and big bright hot flashy buttons. It was so candy land fruity tooty that I knew that if I stayed on the Windows path that in no time I'd be sucking off Johns for cash to buy the next XP Plus pack. That's when I knew it was time to switch to Linux. Immediately the craving for dick subsided and soon all the hot chicks at work started asking me out for drinks. When I asked them why, typically after a solid screw session, they said that Windows users have notoriously bad breath and more often than not are unemployed slackers. Needless to say, I haven't looked back since!
I would like to install Linux on my IBM 390e Thinkpad. But, what's holding me back is little to no wireless support. I mean, it's supported. But I can't find any devices that are "plug n play" with existing destros (such as Red Hat 9 and the like)
Life is not for the lazy.
Salutations.
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That's no troll - I've had similar problems with my (heavily patched) SuSE 8.1 system (Athlon 1.2GHz/256MB on a KT7A-RAID mobo, with the two 40GB IBM 60GXP disks on separate channels of the HPT370 controller and a 128MB swap file on each disk) running a recent Hubert Mantel 2.4.21 kernel. hdparms has both DMA and LBA enabled.
Performance is never better than mediocre under KDE but that's not the real problem. The real problem is that it frequently seizes up completely.
On many occasions it coincided with memory usage going through the roof for no apparent reason, and swapping like mad. The memory problem appears to be down to either X, KDE or mozilla and I suspect mozilla is the usual culprit. Those moz developers just don't seem to take care of garbage collection in a reliable way.
On other occasions "top" appears to show X taking up an awful lot of memory (up to 50%).
In some cases killing all moz processes makes the problem go away but because of gui unresponsiveness its often easier just to keep hammering on Ctrl-Alt-Backspace until X reboots. Sometimes it is so solidy frozen that I can't even ping it from nearby. And sometimes the box is so totally hosed there's no response even after an hour so I'm left with no option but to cycle the power and hope reiserfs will be able to contain the damage.
*sigh* guess I'll give it one more try with SuSE 9.0. If they don't stay on top of the quality thing this time though I'll be switching distros.
I'm switching over to SuSE since the professional Athlon64 version is within the budget of mortals. Red Hat's Advance Server 3.0 for workstations (the cheapest they've got with Athlon64 support) costs $792(!) which is out of my league.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
hmm in wonder how this compares to sun's mad hatter which has also been getting alot of press these days
The war with islam is a war on the beast
The war on terror is a war for peace
How they always try to blame the lack of support for NTFS, and windows not reading linux partitions, on linux? Wouldn't this be Windows fault for not bothering to admit there are other operatating systems in the world that people might need to use now and then?
*There's Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape em off Jim!*
Your post may not be a troll but that parent post is a troll that's really getting old. He just replaced Mac with SuSE this time around. So clever he is.
Something is definitely wrong with your setup. SuSE 8.1 shipped with gcc 2.96 as a base so be extra weary about trying to run apps compiled with gcc 3.2 (eg. any Mozilla later than 1.3). I can't guarantee that that's the problem but it's a place to look. As for X taking up a lot of memory, that sounds about right. However X is effectively a shared resource under Linux so that's kind of to be expected. Also, Linux uses as much memory as possible for buffering and caching, so top's memory reading doesn't reflect the true resource usage. Run this command and subtract the buffer/cache value from the memory used to get a more accurate picture of what's going on:
free -m
Regardless, you should try a gcc 3.2 based distro, namely SuSE 8.2 and higher, and see if your Mozilla problems go away.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
We all know this is based on a Kinks song.
Anyone who has used SuSE won't switch to a toy like Mandrake.
Now before I get modded down, I be to remind whoever might read this that what I am saying is FACT. - bogaboga
You know X has the right to(perhaps not the right to but meh) claim all the video memory wether or not its using it. That might be inlating you top readouts
Thanks, I'll try that before I put 9.0 on.
As a long-time SuSE Linux user it sounds like 9 is a nice upgrade. I've already ordered the upgrade from 8.2 to 9.
My experience with SuSE was that 8.0 was good, 8.1 was buggy, and 8.2 has been quite stable. They addressed many of my complaints about missing modules in YaST in 9.0, which is good. I also like the fact that they're using GCC 3.3.1, which IMO is *much* more stable than 3.3 or the pre-3.3 SuSE included in 8.2 (although 3.3.2 was just released).
I've already upgraded my SuSE 8.2 to use KDE 3.1.4 (which is available via FTP from the supplementary section of the SuSE FTP site (and mirrors), and have found it to be quite stable. It looks like SuSE 9.0 is basically just an evolutionary step from 8.2. I think the release number should really have been 8.3, although I guess they're under pressure from Redhat. I also like the fact that they backport a lot of features from the 2.6 kernel back to 2.4 (the SuSE kernel scheduler is basically taken straight from 2.6). When Linus came out with the interactive patch that makes X much more responsive I was able to verbatim take the patch and apply it to the SuSE Linux kernel.
I also love the fact that SuSE comes on DVD. It's nice to not have to swap between lots of CDs when installing various packages.
And finally, YaST is a great tool that always surprises me. Last night I went to enable telnet and rlogin support on a machine in our lab (security is no issue) in xinetd and Yast immediately requested that I install the appropriate CD and installed the RPM packages required (they were not already installed).
-Aaron
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This sounds a lot more like 8.3 to me.
They upped from 7.x to 8.x when we got into KDE 3... there's no tremendous new version of anything important except YaST.
lots of bittorent files for SuSE 9 out there
(5 CD images 3.6 GB)
Check it out!
feels like an infomercial
SuSE 9.0 sounds interesting. Maybe it's time I give SuSE a roll.
On an OT note, that's a different approach to doing graphs, using two images and some rollover javascript. I must say, it didn't work for me. I kept mistaking them for adverts.
Go ahead, mod this down now...
I'm not sure why, but X under SuSE seems to have a long slow memory leak for me too. I'm running 8.2 (upgraded from 8.0) but somehow I've got over 118 MB allocated to X, which doesn't make sense. Of course Mozilla wants another 82 MB. Other than that SuSE has been smooth. I've not felt HD based lockups like the parent complained about.
I've had suse 8.2 running on my machine perfectly fine since i got it at the beginning of summer. no major issues with it, but i must admit i dont use mozilla....i saw the version that came with suse 8.2 was somewhat outdated, so i downloaded mozilla firebird, http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/, and have been using that instead. i guess i suggest trying an updated mozilla or even firebird, maybe that'll fix some of your problems.
He mentions many features that have already been in 8.2 and lables them as new, such as KDE control center integration.
The ISOs are on suprnova if anyone wants them. It is the 5cd set they are selling as the professional version on their site.
So : SuSe announces version 9 Professional & SuSe is a guest star of an ObjectWeb press conference.
Do the math !
Quit trolling.
I went and bought SUSe personal. That was a mistake.
"If you are a geek, according to suse, you should be getting the professional package".
I don't know whom the "personal" is aimed for but it sucks. Many things missing. No ftp client, no serial communication software, sources missing etc. Generally it sucks.
Anyway, that personal/professional distinction does not make much sense in the linux world. It should be:
newbie/geek/giga-server-admin
suse 9.0 pro has been available for long on p2p now.
- 1- of-5.iso|681414656|618C8AE39FDC9C75C662CCD2FDD8F43 8|/
- 2- of-5.iso|676446208|A3CE4C17C3B8B9F22746A87F8BB92C7 A|/
- 3- of-5.iso|681226240|A9B86CC3FE65D13D0C938D5FB4AECD6 5|/
- 4- of-5.iso|676933632|D90F3730D97078E965306D178CFEFDF 0|/
- 5- of-5.iso|681095168|EA0112A622844DC323A25E4A7209943 0|/
suse support is so bad, i wouldnt pay a dime for their stuff. better get debian instead. but if u really need it, here it is:
ed2k://|file|SuSE-linux-9.0-professional-x86-cd
ed2k://|file|SuSE-linux-9.0-professional-x86-cd
ed2k://|file|SuSE-linux-9.0-professional-x86-cd
ed2k://|file|SuSE-linux-9.0-professional-x86-cd
ed2k://|file|SuSE-linux-9.0-professional-x86-cd
(beware of the slashdot extra space in long lines... )
Sounds great, and I'm about to order it.
But can anybody tell me the difference between the full professional version and the upgrade? As far as I can make out from the website, the only difference is that with the upgrade you don't get the user manual.
Does it actually check during the install if you have a previous version? Hey, if it does that's fine with my, I have a full 7.3, I was just wondering though. I mean, if it doesn't, why doesn't everybody just get the upgrade version, or shouldn't I be saying that?
(I seem to remember pulling that trick with an edition of Delphi once, when someone helpfully informed me that the only difference between the upgrade and the full version was the box they came in!)
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SUSE site clearly states support parameters.
2ish yrs ago I had a support email exchange with suse.de and was 'helped' with my particular issue.
MY Support ISSUE is that SUSE only does install support for 60/90 days - STARTING from the date of the release - Not from when the product is purchased!!! I bought (with real money) a version (8.1 I think it was..) and it was already out of the support time frame when I went to install it the first time.
That was my experience - YMMV.....
I am installing SUSE 9.0 on my new Asus M3700N but it seems so slow... anybody else experiencing the same zzzlowness?
maybe the American lunar expedition did not leave Hollywood at all.
Does anyone know if suse 9 supports NPTL?
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Furthermore, no license costs are incurred for the installation on multiple machines or for software subject to the GPL (General Public License).
on their 10 reasons to switch page. Cool.
I'm in a Unix state of mind.
and I will put 8.2 back on that laptop tomorrow.
Reasons:
'nuff said.
I've been upgrading every time a new version comes out - I'm on 1.5 now. It's no better.