This isn't OSS zealotry refusing to acknowledge any criticism of certain software, this is simply people giving their response to a comment that was flawed in a number of ways.
Firstly, it was poorly worded; it certainly implied to me that you thought IE was the better option for 99.9999% of the web, and I think the responses to your original comment demonstrate that I'm not the only one who misinterpreted you.
Secondly, you were responding to a comment which was essentially correct as if it was wrong; for any serious use (yes, other than sites that won't work outside of IE) IE isn't an option, primarily because of security issues. It can be secured, but why would you bother when there is a free alternative that is functionally identical? I think this can be almost universally agreed upon by anyone familiar with the situation.
If you come off as a troll, you're going to be modded as one. We can't read your mind over the internet; perhaps you should work on your demeanour.
I'm really annoyed that my previous post was modded as troll.
If what you really meant was that you have to use IE for the vast minority of sites, then you misspoke.
"And besides, IE is not even an option for anyone serious about, well, serious about anything."... except for viewing 99.999% of the sites on the web.
implies that IE is superior to FF for most of the web, which is just plain wrong.
I'm not actually convinced that you meant what you claim to have meant; I have you marked as a foe because you're prone to making these kind of trollish statements (and then getting huffy and defensive).
We constantly made it known that he is not to open any programs that he was not allowed to. Even though he had access he was not *allowed* to use them.
Well, I guess that's one way to kill a kid's natural curiosity.
Funny you should mention it. I followed your link and checked out the C-Note design, which has overlapping text in the sidebar in Opera 7.5. Whoops.
Increasing your font size will muck up absolutely positioned designs. I suspect this is what caused the overlap rather than actual compatibility problems.
The amount of hacks, even by the experts, required to even get close to modern browser compatibility is really hilarious. (ooops i mean painful.)
That's a bit of an exaggeration. And please, don't beat around the bush; when you say "modern browser compatibility" you mean getting it to work with IE. If you didn't have to care about IE, doing layouts (of whatever complexity you can imagine) in CSS would be a breeze and would look the way you want it to everywhere.
To be honest, I've never done a table layout and I'm glad; I'd much rather mark my pages up with sane, clean, semantic HTML + CSS. You complain about CSS hacks, but every table layout is a hack.
Nothing sexist about it. They're not getting benefits for being women, they're getting compensation for having to take care of a child. In fact, it's not just for mothers - you can get paid paternity leave as well.
Then buy a phone like that. I, on the other hand, am interested in the possibilities that convenient portable web browsing presents.
Now if I can just figure out how to get GPRS working...
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Yes, many layouts done in CSS can be done with tables (not all; tables don't do position: fixed for example) - but why would you want to?
CSS has numerous advantages over tables:
the same HTML can be styled in vastlydifferentways just by switching the stylesheet
CSS uses less bandwidth - tables have a lot more overhead in terms of markup.
stylesheets are cached by browsers. A List Apart copied Slashdot's layout with CSS; apparently it would save about 14 GB a day.
lower costs, better satisfied users
CSS is easier
OK, maybe this is subjective. I know that I would rather specify things directly than mess around with spacer GIFs
and then there's the stuff that isn't practically very important, but I certainly feel a lot less dirty when my data is marked up semantically. Seperation of content and layout is fun too.
for example.. telling people (especially a bit back, before auto-mounting usb drives) that they'd have to right-click their floppy drive and select 'mount' and only THEN could they use it.. This is more computer-literate already than many users I've seen
Are there any desktop-oriented distros around these days that don't use supermount (or something similar) for removeable drives?
Lynx is a great browser, under certain conditions, and there's no reason not to support it - a page laid out with CSS and written in a sensible order is enough. Table layouts are eeeevil.
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This isn't OSS zealotry refusing to acknowledge any criticism of certain software, this is simply people giving their response to a comment that was flawed in a number of ways.
Firstly, it was poorly worded; it certainly implied to me that you thought IE was the better option for 99.9999% of the web, and I think the responses to your original comment demonstrate that I'm not the only one who misinterpreted you.
Secondly, you were responding to a comment which was essentially correct as if it was wrong; for any serious use (yes, other than sites that won't work outside of IE) IE isn't an option, primarily because of security issues. It can be secured, but why would you bother when there is a free alternative that is functionally identical? I think this can be almost universally agreed upon by anyone familiar with the situation.
If you come off as a troll, you're going to be modded as one. We can't read your mind over the internet; perhaps you should work on your demeanour.
I'm not actually convinced that you meant what you claim to have meant; I have you marked as a foe because you're prone to making these kind of trollish statements (and then getting huffy and defensive).
damn you slashdot and my inability to post a textless comment
Increasing your font size will muck up absolutely positioned designs. I suspect this is what caused the overlap rather than actual compatibility problems.
To be honest, I've never done a table layout and I'm glad; I'd much rather mark my pages up with sane, clean, semantic HTML + CSS. You complain about CSS hacks, but every table layout is a hack.
If police demolished an apartment building full of innocent people to eliminate a few murderers holed up there would you give the same response?
You Americans really like your hyperbole.
I don't see how that excuses the murder of 200k civilians.
Nothing sexist about it. They're not getting benefits for being women, they're getting compensation for having to take care of a child. In fact, it's not just for mothers - you can get paid paternity leave as well.
Sheesh. I'm about as anti-corporate as you can get, but even I recognize the silliness of your comment.
The CSS error is probably beause your XHTML isn't well-formed.
Leeching? How is posting a link to an article leeching?
If anything, Slashdot is helping the NYT by sending them more visitors.
Then buy a phone like that. I, on the other hand, am interested in the possibilities that convenient portable web browsing presents.
Now if I can just figure out how to get GPRS working...
I think Jim's point was that when something like a religion is so plastic that it can explain anything, it explains nothing.
in Matthew 16:26-27, Jesus says:
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
CSS has numerous advantages over tables:
stylesheets are cached by browsers. A List Apart copied Slashdot's layout with CSS; apparently it would save about 14 GB a day.
lower costs, better satisfied users
OK, maybe this is subjective. I know that I would rather specify things directly than mess around with spacer GIFs
and then there's the stuff that isn't practically very important, but I certainly feel a lot less dirty when my data is marked up semantically. Seperation of content and layout is fun too.
Parody is more than a rephrasing of somebody else's joke.
Booooooo! Write your own jokes.
No, more like "101 Ways to Tell Religious Jerks to Piss Off".
Lynx is a great browser, under certain conditions, and there's no reason not to support it - a page laid out with CSS and written in a sensible order is enough. Table layouts are eeeevil.