Interesting? What a load of bullshit. First of all, PHP is not shipped with Apache and as for Java web programming never taking off... look what serious guys use, not bloggers and wannabe homepage webmasters. Surprise, surprise, it's usually some Java technology or ASP.NET.
I also like the obligatory +5 "give me simple $THINGIE that works without bloat" posts. It's not like anyone forces them to use Flock (or any other $THINGIE with advanced functionality) but it never stops them from bitching and whining. The irony of those same people looking down on "emo kids" is overwhelming.
Not just that. I don't know about others, but I read slashdot primarily for discussions, not raw news. There is a lot of places to flood you with news, but much less where you can actually read coherent discussions on the subject. Yes, slashdot's moderation system is far from ideal, but there actually _are_ insightful and interesting comments to read, not just "OMG LOL" babble.
Average Windows desktop usually looks like all programs use their own toolkits, usually horribly skinned. Average OSX desktop is no better with Aqua/Metal separation. Now that I think about it, my Gnome (or just GTK+FVWM) desktop have been more UI-consistent than Windows or OSX for years now. Funny, huh? Mixing KDE and GTK apps brings some inconsistency, that's true, but calling Linux desktop schizofrenic is just trolling. It is already better than one of rival offerings (Windows) and no worse than the other (OSX) in terms of consistency.
That's why MS won the browser wars by bundling IE into the OS, even though it's been a piece of shite most of its life.
Sorry about offtopic rant, but it's a pet peeve of mine. NN/NC in terms of shitness were no better than respective IE versions of the time. Even more, Netscape's offering (anyone remembers behemoth Communicator? eww) had no advantages at Windows platform at all, being a slow-ass incompatible monster which pissed on W3C even more than IE did (anyone tried to develop for NN's understanding of CSS?). I see this knee-jerk whining about unfair browser wars being repeated over and over again, but repeating the lie doesn't make it truth. Obviously, inclusion of IE in Windows didn't help Netscape's case, but mostly they should only blame themselves for producing inferior bloatware piece of shit for years and years and years. They were The Browser, they blew it and they were pwned.
Just in case for idiot moderators: I've developed for the web since NN4/IE3 times. Mozilla's early half-broken M-versions were like materialized nirvana in comparison with NN4, which was the only viable browser on my linux desktop before Mozilla emerged.
there were obviosly regions/groups that had to deal with bread-lines and poverty
Name three. I traveled a lot through USSR (the european part, mostly, but anyway) when I was a kid and USSR still existed. I don't remember this. Basic stuff was always available, no bums no nothing. I remember that some regions had _higher_ standard of life (Latvia, etc.) than we had in Saint-Petersburg, but not lower.
When the foundation started to crumble, then yes, it all came down in pieces. I remember lines for basic stuff, I remember food coupons, all kinds of shit. But that was so called Perestroyka, when my country was getting fucked like there is no tomorrow and USSR was already defunct.
and Soviets could decide if you and your family should belong to them or not.
What soviets? We were all soviets, including me - your regular soviet kid. I honestly don't understand what are you talking about.
Ever try to vote a communist premier out of office?
Try to vote democratic premier (e.g. a corporate whore) out of the office. Just to be replaced with another corporate whore. Same difference.
Also, the scientists have more "incentive" to succeed, when a failure means poverty, bread-lines, and possible execution.
Strangely, I don't remember any lines or poverty until USSR started to fall apart under good old Gorbachev. Some things were hard to buy, yes, but no lines for basic stuff.
Here's why: Let's face it - the PDA market is dying, and the cell phone market is rapidly on the rise.
Oh, get over yourself. The world is not USA's market trends. I've seen more people with PDAs here in Russia in the last year than in four years before. The PDA market here is booming. And, surprisingly, no one wants these madly overpriced convergence communicator beasts. Palm has an international loyal following (kinda Apple-like) which exists despite Palm screwing its customers over and over again. Just pulling out of PalmOS would be suicide for them.
If you want to see something really different try Gnus. I'm using it for years now and yet to see more flexible, powerful and ergonomic mail/news client. The learning curve is steep, though.
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Nice troll. For example, Debian provides backported security updates for years, if you are using Fedora or some other testbed distro - it's your own problem.
First of all, I'm intrigued by this 80% of old communist institutions. Could you elaborate on the subject?
Second, it's so nice of you to conveniently forget about relative sizes of Russian Federation and Poland and the little fact that Poland was much more open and "European" country even in Soviet times. Poland or Latvia felt like a different world for us, USSR citizens.
No he doesn't. Because corporate network has centrally scheduled security updates via WSUS server and is already protected and/or insecure home laptops are not allowed on main LAN.
If your admins don't know jack shit about platform they are trying to use in the enterprise environment - don't blame the platform. Blame the incompetent staff and the idiots who hired them.
Same here. I switched our entire company (not really big, but we have several hundred workstations) to Firefox and Thunderbird (+OpenLDAP for addresbooks, etc). The number of spyware/virus calls plummeted to zero almost instantly.
The only thing that irks me is lack of proper Active Directory integration. I know there are third party installers which somewhat enable support for GPOs, etc, but vanilla Firefox doesn't have this functionality. WSUS integration for centralized machine updating would be terrific too.
XPIs are completely local and I have just what you described - directory on my own webserver with all extensions I need. Works perfectly, on clean installs and whatnot.
If you are serving XPIs via http, don't forget to add proper content type for the files, otherwise they won't install. I didn't try to install extensions from local files, but that should also work.
Yes, really nice of them to do this time and time again. It's worth mentioning though that not only id opensources their previous generation games.
To name a few, Star Control 2 was opensourced and is being developed on Sourceforge. Beneath the Steel Sky sourcecode was also opened. It would be great to see this trend continue and expand.
If you're insisting that no version of Windows was derived from DOS, then perhaps it is you who does not know what you're talking about!
I specifically told "modern versions", but thanks for playing anyway. On your other points I would even comment upon, you are just trolling, I suppose.
BeOS was always a single-user operating system, and ZETA appears to be the same... That, in and of itself, is sufficient reason to completely ignore ZETA
Naah. The reason to ignore Zeta is that it's an obscure and incompatible proprietary platform that doesn't have any market share and will never have. They aim for consumer desktops, so multiple users are not really needed anyway.
One of my biggest complaints about Windows is that it is derived from a single user operating system
No modern Windows is derived from a single user operating system. You don't know what you are talking about, lookup Windows NT.
The problem with single user is with support for remote applications, e.g. running a thin client...
Wow. Just wow. The depth of your knowledge of Windows platform is astounding.
Xen does it already. And with on-chip virtualization support coming from AMD and Intel, VMware could find itself in a very awkward position.
Anyway, I don't see the issue. So VMware opens code to its partners, which is basically the same as Microsoft's shared source initiative. O-oh, I'm overwhelmed with excitement.
First, Bittorent is not a P2P network. Visiting "some site" is the only way to find torrents, because no other way exists, as torrents are not interconnected.
Second, for P2P networks (like ed2k), searching in the client gives more accurate statistics on real file availability to you, based on the servers you are connected to, overnet information, etc.
How are other web developers planning on dealing with the issue of testing for multiple browsers?
Well, I, for one, plan to add more workarounds and kludges for new bugs of IE7. Just as I did for IE6SP1, IE6, IE5.5, IE5 and IE4, all broken in different fucking ways.
And, to be fair, just as I did for NN4 years ago. Just a memory of Navigator's idea of HTML and CSS parsing still makes me shiver. Ew. IE4 felt like a blessing in comparison and IE4 sucks like hell.
I've never been able to have multiple versions of IE on one computer; does anyone know if that will change with IE7?
So what? The users may have all the browsers they like on one machine, on two machines or whatever. From developer's perspective it's not important at all unless they somehow start requesting pages in one browser and viewing them in another or something crazy like that.
Microsoft have a history of not following their own guidelines, which are usually very convoluted and unclear. Which shows their development philosophy well enough.
Anyway, IE7 is not as ugly and unfunctional as the latest abortion of AOL, so it's not THAT bad.
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Interesting? What a load of bullshit. First of all, PHP is not shipped with Apache and as for Java web programming never taking off... look what serious guys use, not bloggers and wannabe homepage webmasters. Surprise, surprise, it's usually some Java technology or ASP.NET.
I also like the obligatory +5 "give me simple $THINGIE that works without bloat" posts. It's not like anyone forces them to use Flock (or any other $THINGIE with advanced functionality) but it never stops them from bitching and whining. The irony of those same people looking down on "emo kids" is overwhelming.
Not just that. I don't know about others, but I read slashdot primarily for discussions, not raw news. There is a lot of places to flood you with news, but much less where you can actually read coherent discussions on the subject. Yes, slashdot's moderation system is far from ideal, but there actually _are_ insightful and interesting comments to read, not just "OMG LOL" babble.
Average Windows desktop usually looks like all programs use their own toolkits, usually horribly skinned. Average OSX desktop is no better with Aqua/Metal separation. Now that I think about it, my Gnome (or just GTK+FVWM) desktop have been more UI-consistent than Windows or OSX for years now. Funny, huh? Mixing KDE and GTK apps brings some inconsistency, that's true, but calling Linux desktop schizofrenic is just trolling. It is already better than one of rival offerings (Windows) and no worse than the other (OSX) in terms of consistency.
It could be viewed just as well from, for example, Mozilla started off mini-linux on USB stick. Do you feel better now?
That's why MS won the browser wars by bundling IE into the OS, even though it's been a piece of shite most of its life.
Sorry about offtopic rant, but it's a pet peeve of mine. NN/NC in terms of shitness were no better than respective IE versions of the time. Even more, Netscape's offering (anyone remembers behemoth Communicator? eww) had no advantages at Windows platform at all, being a slow-ass incompatible monster which pissed on W3C even more than IE did (anyone tried to develop for NN's understanding of CSS?). I see this knee-jerk whining about unfair browser wars being repeated over and over again, but repeating the lie doesn't make it truth. Obviously, inclusion of IE in Windows didn't help Netscape's case, but mostly they should only blame themselves for producing inferior bloatware piece of shit for years and years and years. They were The Browser, they blew it and they were pwned.
Just in case for idiot moderators: I've developed for the web since NN4/IE3 times. Mozilla's early half-broken M-versions were like materialized nirvana in comparison with NN4, which was the only viable browser on my linux desktop before Mozilla emerged.
First they invent Tinderbox, then they invent Synaptic. Is there anything those Microsoft guys can't do?
there were obviosly regions/groups that had to deal with bread-lines and poverty
Name three. I traveled a lot through USSR (the european part, mostly, but anyway) when I was a kid and USSR still existed. I don't remember this. Basic stuff was always available, no bums no nothing. I remember that some regions had _higher_ standard of life (Latvia, etc.) than we had in Saint-Petersburg, but not lower.
When the foundation started to crumble, then yes, it all came down in pieces. I remember lines for basic stuff, I remember food coupons, all kinds of shit. But that was so called Perestroyka, when my country was getting fucked like there is no tomorrow and USSR was already defunct.
and Soviets could decide if you and your family should belong to them or not.
What soviets? We were all soviets, including me - your regular soviet kid. I honestly don't understand what are you talking about.
Ever try to vote a communist premier out of office?
Try to vote democratic premier (e.g. a corporate whore) out of the office. Just to be replaced with another corporate whore. Same difference.
Also, the scientists have more "incentive" to succeed, when a failure means poverty, bread-lines, and possible execution.
Strangely, I don't remember any lines or poverty until USSR started to fall apart under good old Gorbachev. Some things were hard to buy, yes, but no lines for basic stuff.
Here's why: Let's face it - the PDA market is dying, and the cell phone market is rapidly on the rise.
Oh, get over yourself. The world is not USA's market trends. I've seen more people with PDAs here in Russia in the last year than in four years before. The PDA market here is booming. And, surprisingly, no one wants these madly overpriced convergence communicator beasts. Palm has an international loyal following (kinda Apple-like) which exists despite Palm screwing its customers over and over again. Just pulling out of PalmOS would be suicide for them.
OSX, bah. They even have a _Palm_ version of their antivirus. Seen any viruses lately for a fucking PalmOS? That's right.
If you want to see something really different try Gnus. I'm using it for years now and yet to see more flexible, powerful and ergonomic mail/news client. The learning curve is steep, though.
Nice troll. For example, Debian provides backported security updates for years, if you are using Fedora or some other testbed distro - it's your own problem.
Yeah, who the hell needs those posh database servers. MySQL ought to be enough for everyone - after all, you can easily install it on XP.
Kiddie-nerds and their "standard combinations". So cute. *chuckle*
First of all, I'm intrigued by this 80% of old communist institutions. Could you elaborate on the subject?
Second, it's so nice of you to conveniently forget about relative sizes of Russian Federation and Poland and the little fact that Poland was much more open and "European" country even in Soviet times. Poland or Latvia felt like a different world for us, USSR citizens.
No he doesn't. Because corporate network has centrally scheduled security updates via WSUS server and is already protected and/or insecure home laptops are not allowed on main LAN.
If your admins don't know jack shit about platform they are trying to use in the enterprise environment - don't blame the platform. Blame the incompetent staff and the idiots who hired them.
The only thing that irks me is lack of proper Active Directory integration. I know there are third party installers which somewhat enable support for GPOs, etc, but vanilla Firefox doesn't have this functionality. WSUS integration for centralized machine updating would be terrific too.
XPIs are completely local and I have just what you described - directory on my own webserver with all extensions I need. Works perfectly, on clean installs and whatnot.
If you are serving XPIs via http, don't forget to add proper content type for the files, otherwise they won't install. I didn't try to install extensions from local files, but that should also work.
Yes, really nice of them to do this time and time again. It's worth mentioning though that not only id opensources their previous generation games.
To name a few, Star Control 2 was opensourced and is being developed on Sourceforge. Beneath the Steel Sky sourcecode was also opened. It would be great to see this trend continue and expand.
If you're insisting that no version of Windows was derived from DOS, then perhaps it is you who does not know what you're talking about!
I specifically told "modern versions", but thanks for playing anyway. On your other points I would even comment upon, you are just trolling, I suppose.
BeOS was always a single-user operating system, and ZETA appears to be the same... That, in and of itself, is sufficient reason to completely ignore ZETA
Naah. The reason to ignore Zeta is that it's an obscure and incompatible proprietary platform that doesn't have any market share and will never have. They aim for consumer desktops, so multiple users are not really needed anyway.
One of my biggest complaints about Windows is that it is derived from a single user operating system
No modern Windows is derived from a single user operating system. You don't know what you are talking about, lookup Windows NT.
The problem with single user is with support for remote applications, e.g. running a thin client...
Wow. Just wow. The depth of your knowledge of Windows platform is astounding.
Xen does it already. And with on-chip virtualization support coming from AMD and Intel, VMware could find itself in a very awkward position.
Anyway, I don't see the issue. So VMware opens code to its partners, which is basically the same as Microsoft's shared source initiative. O-oh, I'm overwhelmed with excitement.
First, Bittorent is not a P2P network. Visiting "some site" is the only way to find torrents, because no other way exists, as torrents are not interconnected.
Second, for P2P networks (like ed2k), searching in the client gives more accurate statistics on real file availability to you, based on the servers you are connected to, overnet information, etc.
How are other web developers planning on dealing with the issue of testing for multiple browsers?
Well, I, for one, plan to add more workarounds and kludges for new bugs of IE7. Just as I did for IE6SP1, IE6, IE5.5, IE5 and IE4, all broken in different fucking ways.
And, to be fair, just as I did for NN4 years ago. Just a memory of Navigator's idea of HTML and CSS parsing still makes me shiver. Ew. IE4 felt like a blessing in comparison and IE4 sucks like hell.
I've never been able to have multiple versions of IE on one computer; does anyone know if that will change with IE7?
So what? The users may have all the browsers they like on one machine, on two machines or whatever. From developer's perspective it's not important at all unless they somehow start requesting pages in one browser and viewing them in another or something crazy like that.
Microsoft have a history of not following their own guidelines, which are usually very convoluted and unclear. Which shows their development philosophy well enough.
Anyway, IE7 is not as ugly and unfunctional as the latest abortion of AOL, so it's not THAT bad.