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Apache Webserver Surpasses 50 Million Website Mark
chris81 writes "For the first time ever, the Apache Web Server is powering more than 50 million websites, according to Netcraft's Web Server Survey for October. Although relative share fell by 0.67 percent, the total number of sites powered by Apache grew to over 52 million. Microsoft's IIS finished second with more than 15 million sites served."
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>>Microsoft's IIS finished second with more than 15 million sites served. ;)
Now did they try to find how many actually work
Not just that so many people and companies host websites on Apache, I'm more impressed that there are so many websites?
Such an enormous collection of data, it boggles my mind.
This is the sig that says NI (again)
Isn't that the number of servers required just to power /.?
I smell a rat!
There are more servers out there, and IIS is growing faster than Apache?
Microsoft salesrep: "You know, Apache's relative share fell by *cough*0.*cough* 67 percent!!!"
For the perfect anti-Unix, write an OS that thinks it knows what you're doing better than you do and let it be wrong.
In the graphs acceleration compared to 2001/2002? :)
It's because of php's increasing popularity, as this page shows.
--Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
Just curious. Also would be nice to see the current amount of WAIS :o)
and Archie servers left!
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The last clause there is what makes it incompatible with the GPL and what made the OpenBSD folks fork it (they folked before the license change to include this clause). In answer to your question, yes, indeed anyone is free to extend and distribute binary forms of the software without having to hand over source code for their extensions (or even for the code they didn't write).
But here's a question for you. If you're required to give "any other recipients of the Work or Derivative Works a copy of this License", does that mean that the extended work has to be under this license? Or does it just mean you have to give the license to them, even though it isn't applicable. What stupid wording. Presumably it means you can't change the license on the software.. but you can apply any license you want on your extensions.. which means you can prohibit the software from being distributed, even though "this license" says you are free to distribute it.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Well, actually they have their own plans.
and part of the plan is giving some for free! See SQL Server 2005 Express Edition's Pricing Policy and the same for Visual Studio Express Edition which will be free.
I don't do much open-source programming but I'd like to thank all those guys who do, cuz if it was not for their efforts, M$ would have never given something for free (at least as in beer!!)
Anyway, the point is that some small businesses might be attracted to M$'s side by giving these development tools for free and this might have an effect on Apache and as a whole LAMP's market share.
I really can't see this as anything that'll come as a surprise to anyone, nor the fact that apache came first. I also have a feeling that the apache guys see this the same way, as it is nowhere to be found at http://apache.org/foundation/news.html/. but i guess any round number is worth celebrating, after all free as in drunk, is as important as any other freedom ;)
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What would be really interesting would be a figure of total pages served (over the entire internet), grouped by server type. Or the average return opn investement, per server type. Number of hostnames really says nothing, I can add a few thousand myself with no trouble at all.
If you redistribute a derivative work, you have to include a copy of the license because the original parts are still under that license, obviously. You cannot just change the license of the original parts -- the additions are another story.
It has always been that way.
The thing is, it isn't the code that's of value, it's the ongoing project. Sure, someone may use the code, but maintaning a fork isn't trivial. People who fear non-GPL open source licenses fail to realize this; the fact that Apache hasn't been displaced by a closed-source fork should be proof enough that open source can work even when the license doesn't force people to keep the source open.
#1. Sites vs servers.
Netcraft states they count the sites while they don't mention whether they count 2nd level domains (foo.com), 3rd level domains (www.foo.com, support.foo.com) or what else. They just say they "received responses from 74,409,971 sites" while not defining what a site actually is.
#2. Growth.
There has been a growth of about 3.73% in the number of (so called) web sites. There must be some hidden winner(s). That is, there must be some group of web servers that is getting the great part of the growth all at once! Netcraft is failing to mention who they are!
#3. Webserver (or website) identification.
It's all but trivial to identify web servers. Are they using some special tool like amap and nmap or just looking at the server response content? How accurate this identification can be?
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
Don't want to be a troll, but what are the latest innovations Apache introduced lately to stay on top? I think we don't talk often enough about this software here on Slashdot. No, I'm not new here...
Bah. If you compile a proprietary extension into an Apache licensed program it doesn't matter that you're technically allowed to copy the Apache licensed portions. You can't seperate the two (and even if you could, the seperate parts would be useless) so the entire program is practically under a proprietary license.
How we know is more important than what we know.
still needs to learn its lesson.
Along the same lines, I saw a recent IDC report that showed (if one looked at the data oneself) that MS was continuing to lose market share in the server room, at least percentage wise. My guess is that they took most of Novell's share around 2000 when they ran the smear campaign against Netware and then have been slowly hemorrhaging marketshare since then.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Qualitywise, MS SQL Server is the IIS of the database world. Only if you somehow got locked into .NET or some other proprietary hook into MS would you need MS SQL over an industry standard like Postgresql or MySQL which are in approximately the same niche. Those two are even starting to nibble at the heels of Oracle in some contexts, unlike MS SQL.
MS has tried give aways before with IIS. People learn their lesson and move on, unless they get locked in. The same goes with SQL databases.
So a purchase price of zero is an advantage, but the main reason people use Apache and the other parts of LAMP is the quality. The price is just gravy.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
This is really good news for the OS community, it shows a community product being chosen over a commerical application in the industry.
But keep in mind just because the server is not IIS and is Apache doesnt mean they arent running Windows Apache, I find lots of Windows admins leaning to Apache even when they have IIS readily available.
There will never be a .blog TLD because
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(1)It will probably contain porn so the chritian extremists would partitions the US to ban it,
(2) The free speech supports would also want it banned because it could allow goverments to ban blogs just like http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/25/23552
I know of at least one ISP who makes their Apache webservers identify themselves as a version of IIS so that they can read the logs and monitor what sorts of requests might be breaking the real IIS servers they share bandwidth with.
This Netcraft statistic is comfort drug to the Slashdot's unwashed masses. If you instead count only real servers own by the company (dedicated servers) IIS is 4-5 times more used then Apache. To bundle 500-1000 different IP customers together on one computer distort the statistic. But Slasdot is never known for reason, logic and common sense of course.
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Apache is doing awesome, however now that Microsoft is second, expect to see the commercials on TV:
.net and a cheesey Access Database. Call today!"
::gasps:: JSP!)
"Is your host using IIS? No? Is it using ASP? NO?! Are you using OPEN SOURCE! (Evil sounding) opeeeennnn sourrrrceeeee.... If so you need to experience IIS! With its ability to make your developers coffee in the morning, and to block users who use that evil Google software from hacking your system! Call 1800MICROSHAFT today to get your free 12 minute introductory offer to IIS! Thats right TWELVE minutes folks! Microsoft nevers gives away free time on any of their products! During that 12 minutes you could host your own Porn site, or just blog about stupid stuff no one cares about, all using asp
Yay for Apache, but I really do think Microsoft will cause some issues on this and start pushing their stupid server software. While I do think IIS is easier to setup I think Apache is MUCH MUCH more stable. (experience with Tomcat and
-- Josh
"Whoopie! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but that's a long one for me!" - Pete Conrad
I think that that clause is intended to ensure that the distributers of the derived work let people know that the system is based upon a system with a more "free" licence, to ensure that those who buy the derivative work know that these parts (which are likely to be substantial, in this case) are included.
I expect it's something which is perfect wording in legalese but looks funny to us Average Joes and Joannes trying to inspect it. I am not a lawyer, etc., though.
Larien is correct. The changes indicate infrastructure shifts at domain registrars, specifically Network Solutions and Namezero (as alluded to in this Netcraft post from 2003 and this one from 2001. Both briefly shifted from Solaris to Windows, and then back again.
RichM
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well thats what you from collaboration. It has shown here that Two is better than one. Freedom is better than slavery.
Now, I'm not trying to be a troll. I just want to understand the reasons that make someone choose IIS over Apache, since (AFAIK) the later is more secure, more capable, and performs better under heavy load.
Can anyone point me some?
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Maybe Microsoft will finally give in and make WSUS run on Apache.
I just dont think that Apache is ready for primetime yet.... Happy hour maybe, but definitely not primetime.... :-)
goat.cx has a relatively dull picture of a pumpkin. For the real McCoy, use goatse.ca, or just hit a random ASP server near you ;-)
Care to quote the source of this blunt claim? While it is certainly true that many domain-name parking services use Apache, Apache would still lead by a large margin even if those were accounted for.
"Although relative share fell by 0.67 percent, the total number of sites powered by Apache grew to over 52 million."
From September to October, Apache's share went from 69.15% to 69.89% (+0.74%).
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
Sure it would be interesting. Could you propose a method of collecting this data?
Perhaps while your at it you could tell me which the visitors to my website are loaded and gullible!
Oh, and just in case my sarcasm is misdirected, do you mean the total number of pages available on each website (which becomes fuzzy with active content), or do you mean how many page requests have been served by each server on the net?
Respect copyright - the GPL relies on it.
As much as I admire all that hard work, I simply don't feel confident that I personally could go to such extreme lengths just to prevent code that I wrote for the benefit of all humanity from being locked up. Other people get to exercise their rights because I live up to the obligations incumbent upon me.
All closed-source software by definition abridges two of the Four Freedoms; and many EULAs would seek to abridge one or both of the other two if only they were legally enforceable. I would much prefer to see the Four Freedoms protected by the Law of the Land.
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
Look. Apache is targeted by all the script kiddies because it's SO popular. I mean, if you were a script kiddie and saw such a huge target as Apache, compared to the IIS install base, which one would YOU go after? You IIS *zealots* are a big turn-off to the rest of the web serving community.
Fair observation. It's got something to do with the OS community's need for high morale. We need to feel like we make a difference in the face of a company that spends millions of dollars on strategies to discredit us.
...let's slashdot them.
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Not that there is anything particularly horrible about apache, but alot of sites could use something smaller, and less of a memory hog like lighttpd. But yet they use apache anyways "cause we're using linux", as if the only webservers that exist are apache and IIS.
IIS passes 5 Trillion crashes mark.
* Si hoc legere scis numium eruditionis habes *
The problem is that I know many system administrators that change their server's response to be Apache even though it's IIS. By the same token I know several Apache servers that respond as IIS and are used as honeypots; their logs are parsed for several known exploits and worms.
People have always mentioned this problem with mining for server usage statistics. What does netcraft do to try and filter out a lot of these false statistics? Is there any thing they can do? Is there any other way to identify a "true" Apache server? I can't check for the existence of php or aspx files because both IIS and Apache support both (aspx via mono).
If you were developing a new statustics mining server for determining service types on the internet, what would you use to identify the "true" Apache/IIS servers?
Or scared, if they know something is wrong. ha ha ha
How this post got modded Insightful, mysql and quality? Mysql starting to nibble oracle? What a joke really. .Net / IIS / MS SQL plateform is much better than LAMP and arguably ( well not for my part, but I will stay open ) to a J2EE plateform. .Net you have everything you need or almost in the API ( paging for one of the many exemple ), but it's opened enough to add what you want unlike LAMP or J2EE where you have to code everything from 0 unless you want to have some fun with licence hell( hey let's take this code in lgpl, oh and this one in BSD, oh nobody will see that I will take GPL code ).
Mysql is all but a database ffs access is a better relational db than mysql, and it's really far from being entreprise ready unlike MS SQL / oracle and in a lesser extend Postgresql ( thing are slowly changing for postgresql happily ).
Not only with
and their 5% (?).
you had me at #!
if they count subdomain as an another server, no wonder really, hello livejournal, every fucking blog out there!
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First, it is really 3 servers in one. Besides serving up the ANSI Standard M Language, it also provides M database services to other software packages through ODBC or standard socket connections. Perhaps most exciting of all, it contains a complete web server, robust enough to put your Apache or MSII server out of business. And forget about CGI or various web server API's to link your database to the web -- you have a direct connection.
SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL
We hope that you will be pleasantly surprised at how small and quick it is. We have been actively fighting the "software bloat" that seems to have taken over and you will be glad to notice that it can be downloaded from our web site in just a few seconds. At only 76K, it's actually smaller than some web pages.
This "smaller footprint" translates into faster startup and shutdown. With almost instantaneous startup, there is no wait. It means less code space that has to be loaded in RAM which yields more memory for disk and routine caching."
"So why don't most people use it?"
Marketing.*
*It's amazing how much this is discounted. As though technical merits is all you need to be successful.
From TFA:
Posted by wss at October 4, 2005 08:40 AM
Which means that the news is 22 days old. Given that this is a monthly survey, the slashpost seems a tad bit behind the times.
One of us should write a bot that posts a story 21 days after the fact and see if we can beat the masses that happen upon Netcraft and re-print old news.
"As much as I admire all that hard work, I simply don't feel confident that I personally could go to such extreme lengths just to prevent code that I wrote for the benefit of all humanity from being locked up. Other people get to exercise their rights because I live up to the obligations incumbent upon me."
Funny how non-GPL code can be "locked up", but every time Slashdot does a story on the RIAA/MPAA there's always a comment(s) about how "their information is going to be freed", or "everyone has ideas". Either digital goods can be locked up, or they can't. You all can't have it both ways.
Big clue stick for you. Non-GPL code can't be locked up. The only thing that's "locked up" is the code that the "locker" writes themselves. The original code is only a FTP away. Here's the other side of the stick. The GPL allows one to effectively "lock-up" all the code they download AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DISTRIBUTE! That means that one can gain a business advantage indirectly. e.g. company runs more efficiently. Also (until the latest GPL comes out) one can present GPL code as a web-service without distributing. And last, as Nvidia and others have shown one can gain open-source advantages without giving away one's code.
So basically the "lock up" excuse really is a "They will not Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"
I'll bet that 49 million of them are virtual domains on the same server with names like make-money-fast-heres-how.info investment-secrets-2005.info splog-world.info, etc.
Best Buy can have you arrested
Yup. I can confirm this. I used to work at a major domain registrar, using Linux/Apache and Microsoft visited us and asked for us to migrate our servers to Window/IIS for the sole purpose of increasing the netcraft numbers... We were doing URL forwarding. By the way, the conversion was VERY painful... even though they engineers came on site to work on the code for this.
My being an AC has nothing to do with coming back. Anyway I read your rant, and I don't agree. Now as far as a rebutal...well just wait till the next GPL/BSD debate (we'll have one soon enough), and post your link.