I agree. I went through Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware and Debian... and never got any working quite right. A friend of mine decided to install FreeBSD 4.7 on my machine, showed me the handbook, and I was hooked. Granted, the hardware support is a little lackluster, but I was lucky with my machine (VIA chipset and LAN, onboard CMedia sound, GF4MX440); and plan on buying my future hardware around my OS. It does make a rock-solid desktop--if you use the right stuff. Gnome and KDE aren't quite stable on it, but WindowMaker (my top choice) is virtually uncrashable. Quakes 2 and 3 work fine. Printing was a breeze to set up--just get Apsfilter going, and set a default printer in printcap.
I plan on trying Linux again in the near future, but for the time being, I'm gonna stick with FreeBSD (5.1 at the moment).
I don't understand how this got modded Insightful. Seems like outright trolling to me. But I digress.
Ever watch The Three Stooges when you were a kid? Sure, there wasn't any nudity/bouncing, and no blood, but they were damned violent, quite possibly as violent or moreso than the crap on the television today.
"If the Linux community _really_ wants to invade the desktop space, we need some killer games."
True. But what we need even more is a killer Linux-exclusive game. Sadly, though, no company that attempts it will survive for more than a couple months past release. Including Knoppix and the game may appeal to more users, but only if hardware setup is flawless. But getting your casual gamer to install a new operating system just to play a game is going to be close to impossible.
"Why would anyone make some fancy virus for a one-time job?"
On something that's this risky, it may be to the cracker's advantage to write a virus that remains malign until it hits its intended target, allowing the code and his/her actions to be laundered through many, many machines; increasing his/her anonymity.
"But hey, how should I know, I'm only a kid!"--Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening.
Earlier versions did do the aforementioned problems. Earlier versions also had problems with files that were too large (and would order you to open them up in bloated WordPad).
And why can't the stupid thing open up files with Unix-style line breaks? I mean, come on. That's awful. Every simple text editor should have no problem with that.
Who knew that the proliferation of cheap electronics would render the repair industry obsolete? Oh well, I guess the good thing to come out of this is that I'm studying engineering instead of training to be a technician.:)
Go install portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade). Then, cvsup your ports tree, and run "portsdb -Uu". (You need to do this after every time you cvsup the ports tree.) After that, installing ports is as easy as typing in "portinstall foo". You say you like packages? Add the -P switch, as in "portinstall -P foo" to look for a package, and install from source if that fails, or "portinstall -PP foo" to install exclusively from a package.
That brings back bad memories.
Last year, during my freshman year of college, I was one of the lucky test subject in a study conducted by one of the CS students. (See http://www.users.muohio.edu/birchmzp/csi/dharna.pd f). It was a poor VB project that had an annoying talking head bouncing around the screen, giving instructions, that I was explicitly told "not to dismiss." And yes, it used Microsoft Agent... I wanted to kill it. Especially when I had to repeat the same action over, and had to listen to the same instructions from it again. On top of that, the VB program's buttons were greyed out until the thing shut up.
*shudder*
I went back to my room and stared lovingly into the login prompt on my FreeBSD machine for an hour after that experience.
Wrong again. The Windy City is called such because of the 1893 World's Fair. Chicago had to do quite a bit of bragging to bring the fair to their city.
Yes, that's true, there are only 2 (CS and AOL are the same company) big players in the Internet market. The difference here is that you can get alternatives that work just as well as AOL or MSN for less than half as much. Sure, you lose some of that crappy stuff that no one really uses, but the ISP market is an example of working competition. Up until recently, the automotive market worked the same way--there was Ford, GM, and Chrysler, and then everybody else. Everybody else was cheaper, and worked better, and eventually made the market better.
If you don't like the way it works, give it time--it will probably get better.
Here at my school, our OIT department decided to simply unplug each dorm room from the router in the building. After doing so, they required us to sign up for an inspection. They went room-to-room, testing machines, running McAfee's Stinger, and installing patches and McAfee AntiVirus. They visited my room 3 times, concluding each time that I was running Linux exclusively. Which isn't entirely true--two of my machines are FreeBSD boxen, and the third dual-boots Windows/Linux--but most of the people I talked to aren't quite *nix-savvy. Take this conversation for example...
Me: I run FreeBSD on my laptop.
OIT guy 1: Okay, boot it up and show me.
I show OIT guy 1 the output of 'uname -a'.
OIT guy 1: Show it to the guy over there with the list.
I show my computer to OIT guy 2.
OIT guy 2, to OIT guy 1: Hey, what AV software are we putting on Linux machines?
Or on visit 2...
OIT lady 1: Hi. I'm here to inspect your machine.
Me: I run Linux on one machine, FreeBSD on the other two.
OIT lady 1: Uhh... I have to go get the guy who knows Linux.
OIT lady 1 runs down 2 flights of stairs, and comes back with OIT guy 1.
OIT guy 1: I've already looked at your computer.
Me: No shit.
They finally have turned most of the network back on, and according to Microsoft's KB823980Scan tool, there are 5 unpatched machines in our dorm already. See the output from when I ran it this morning. We lost network access last Friday (8/22), and finally got it turned back on in our room on Thursday (8/28)--even though both my roommate's Windows machine and my machines were clean. If you want to read more on our IT department's odd solution, take a look at the OIT department's blog, or at the school's ACM chapter's discussion of the issue.
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Can't ping them anymore...
(10:07:59 ) chris on XO $ ping mail.sco.com
PING mail.sco.com (216.250.130.37): 56 data bytes
^C
--- mail.sco.com ping statistics ---
32 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
Yes, you can cancel this. Start up a console session (oh wait, this is Windows, it's called a command prompt) and type in:
C:\WINDOWS>shutdown -a now
Granted, this does leave your system in an unstable state, but if you have something urgent you absolutely need to get done, this gives you a few minutes to do it before you reboot.
Awww... c'mon. Smoke a cigar. It's not bad if you don't inhale. And if you start on cigars, you'll probably never move over to any other tobacco products. I rarely smoke cigars (basically only at parties to impress the ladies with my macho smoke rings.... sure.....) but I tried a cigarette today. Too weak, I might as well stick my head near the exhaust on my oven and inhale. Didn't taste a damn thing. Plus, cigars have the upside of being non-addicting (more or less).
"Maybe they'll require you to only buy your parts and sell your car through their chain of dealerships."
Umm... no. The Specialty Equipment Market Association made certain, for the survival of their industry, that this would never be the case. There have been many laws passed regarding this. For more information, see http://www.sema.org/content/?ID=8123.
Think about it--why is there a lemon law for you car, and not one for your computer or software?
If anything like this Cisco-fiasco did happen to pass to the automotive industry, it wouldn't stay there for long. People would get fed up with it--quick. And besides, there are already laws in place to prevent this. Thank Ralph Nader for that. (Put that in your Republican pipe and smoke it!) And the fact that almost everyone depends on a car (becuase the public transportation in this country sucks) only helps to strengthen the case against this sort of crap. Not everyone needs a computer. We got along just fine without them for a long time. When we finally become completely dependent on technology for most of the aspects of our lives, expect the same protections to come to it. But I don't see that coming in the near future.
For those of us with nVidia cards, the nView desktop manager supports multiple desktops. IIRC, they're switched by doing and alt-tab, and then an alt-~ (though I think that can be changed to whatever the user prefers).
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Watchoo talkin bout.
Original, inane comment: +4 (not even overrated).
Factual reply: +2.
Commenting on how moderation works: Priceless.
Damn. I was gonna mod that Insightful.
I agree. I went through Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware and Debian... and never got any working quite right. A friend of mine decided to install FreeBSD 4.7 on my machine, showed me the handbook, and I was hooked. Granted, the hardware support is a little lackluster, but I was lucky with my machine (VIA chipset and LAN, onboard CMedia sound, GF4MX440); and plan on buying my future hardware around my OS. It does make a rock-solid desktop--if you use the right stuff. Gnome and KDE aren't quite stable on it, but WindowMaker (my top choice) is virtually uncrashable. Quakes 2 and 3 work fine. Printing was a breeze to set up--just get Apsfilter going, and set a default printer in printcap.
I plan on trying Linux again in the near future, but for the time being, I'm gonna stick with FreeBSD (5.1 at the moment).
You guys are all crazy. THIS is what Bill Gate's desktop looks like.
And for those of us too cheap to buy a new browser, Mozilla or Firebird will have to do.
Mwahahahaha! And no, I wasn't said AC. I haven't even read that AC's post.
I don't understand how this got modded Insightful. Seems like outright trolling to me. But I digress.
Ever watch The Three Stooges when you were a kid? Sure, there wasn't any nudity/bouncing, and no blood, but they were damned violent, quite possibly as violent or moreso than the crap on the television today.
"May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face."
-- Frank Zappa, to Mrs. Gore about parental advisory labels on album covers
"If the Linux community _really_ wants to invade the desktop space, we need some killer games."
True. But what we need even more is a killer Linux-exclusive game. Sadly, though, no company that attempts it will survive for more than a couple months past release. Including Knoppix and the game may appeal to more users, but only if hardware setup is flawless. But getting your casual gamer to install a new operating system just to play a game is going to be close to impossible.
"Why would anyone make some fancy virus for a one-time job?"
On something that's this risky, it may be to the cracker's advantage to write a virus that remains malign until it hits its intended target, allowing the code and his/her actions to be laundered through many, many machines; increasing his/her anonymity.
"But hey, how should I know, I'm only a kid!"--Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening.
Earlier versions did do the aforementioned problems. Earlier versions also had problems with files that were too large (and would order you to open them up in bloated WordPad).
And why can't the stupid thing open up files with Unix-style line breaks? I mean, come on. That's awful. Every simple text editor should have no problem with that.
But then again, there's always vim for Windows.
"so the repair industry would become obsolete.
:)
Who knew that the proliferation of cheap electronics would render the repair industry obsolete? Oh well, I guess the good thing to come out of this is that I'm studying engineering instead of training to be a technician.
Nintendo Power Pad > DDR pad. 'Nuff said.
Go install portupgrade (/usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade). Then, cvsup your ports tree, and run "portsdb -Uu". (You need to do this after every time you cvsup the ports tree.) After that, installing ports is as easy as typing in "portinstall foo". You say you like packages? Add the -P switch, as in "portinstall -P foo" to look for a package, and install from source if that fails, or "portinstall -PP foo" to install exclusively from a package.
That brings back bad memories. Last year, during my freshman year of college, I was one of the lucky test subject in a study conducted by one of the CS students. (See http://www.users.muohio.edu/birchmzp/csi/dharna.pd f). It was a poor VB project that had an annoying talking head bouncing around the screen, giving instructions, that I was explicitly told "not to dismiss." And yes, it used Microsoft Agent... I wanted to kill it. Especially when I had to repeat the same action over, and had to listen to the same instructions from it again. On top of that, the VB program's buttons were greyed out until the thing shut up.
*shudder*
I went back to my room and stared lovingly into the login prompt on my FreeBSD machine for an hour after that experience.
Wrong again. The Windy City is called such because of the 1893 World's Fair. Chicago had to do quite a bit of bragging to bring the fair to their city.
Yes, that's true, there are only 2 (CS and AOL are the same company) big players in the Internet market. The difference here is that you can get alternatives that work just as well as AOL or MSN for less than half as much. Sure, you lose some of that crappy stuff that no one really uses, but the ISP market is an example of working competition. Up until recently, the automotive market worked the same way--there was Ford, GM, and Chrysler, and then everybody else. Everybody else was cheaper, and worked better, and eventually made the market better.
If you don't like the way it works, give it time--it will probably get better.
Here at my school, our OIT department decided to simply unplug each dorm room from the router in the building. After doing so, they required us to sign up for an inspection. They went room-to-room, testing machines, running McAfee's Stinger, and installing patches and McAfee AntiVirus. They visited my room 3 times, concluding each time that I was running Linux exclusively. Which isn't entirely true--two of my machines are FreeBSD boxen, and the third dual-boots Windows/Linux--but most of the people I talked to aren't quite *nix-savvy. Take this conversation for example...
Me: I run FreeBSD on my laptop.
OIT guy 1: Okay, boot it up and show me.
I show OIT guy 1 the output of 'uname -a'.
OIT guy 1: Show it to the guy over there with the list.
I show my computer to OIT guy 2.
OIT guy 2, to OIT guy 1: Hey, what AV software are we putting on Linux machines?
Or on visit 2...
OIT lady 1: Hi. I'm here to inspect your machine.
Me: I run Linux on one machine, FreeBSD on the other two.
OIT lady 1: Uhh... I have to go get the guy who knows Linux.
OIT lady 1 runs down 2 flights of stairs, and comes back with OIT guy 1.
OIT guy 1: I've already looked at your computer.
Me: No shit.
They finally have turned most of the network back on, and according to Microsoft's KB823980Scan tool, there are 5 unpatched machines in our dorm already. See the output from when I ran it this morning. We lost network access last Friday (8/22), and finally got it turned back on in our room on Thursday (8/28)--even though both my roommate's Windows machine and my machines were clean. If you want to read more on our IT department's odd solution, take a look at the OIT department's blog, or at the school's ACM chapter's discussion of the issue.
Can't ping them anymore...
(10:07:59 ) chris on XO $ ping mail.sco.com
PING mail.sco.com (216.250.130.37): 56 data bytes
^C
--- mail.sco.com ping statistics ---
32 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
er, um... whoops :)
Yes, you can cancel this. Start up a console session (oh wait, this is Windows, it's called a command prompt) and type in:
C:\WINDOWS>shutdown -a now
Granted, this does leave your system in an unstable state, but if you have something urgent you absolutely need to get done, this gives you a few minutes to do it before you reboot.
Awww... c'mon. Smoke a cigar. It's not bad if you don't inhale. And if you start on cigars, you'll probably never move over to any other tobacco products. I rarely smoke cigars (basically only at parties to impress the ladies with my macho smoke rings.... sure.....) but I tried a cigarette today. Too weak, I might as well stick my head near the exhaust on my oven and inhale. Didn't taste a damn thing. Plus, cigars have the upside of being non-addicting (more or less).
"Maybe they'll require you to only buy your parts and sell your car through their chain of dealerships."
Umm... no. The Specialty Equipment Market Association made certain, for the survival of their industry, that this would never be the case. There have been many laws passed regarding this. For more information, see http://www.sema.org/content/?ID=8123.
Think about it--why is there a lemon law for you car, and not one for your computer or software? If anything like this Cisco-fiasco did happen to pass to the automotive industry, it wouldn't stay there for long. People would get fed up with it--quick. And besides, there are already laws in place to prevent this. Thank Ralph Nader for that. (Put that in your Republican pipe and smoke it!) And the fact that almost everyone depends on a car (becuase the public transportation in this country sucks) only helps to strengthen the case against this sort of crap. Not everyone needs a computer. We got along just fine without them for a long time. When we finally become completely dependent on technology for most of the aspects of our lives, expect the same protections to come to it. But I don't see that coming in the near future.
"the CBDLF donations and giving to the EFF are Good Things.
And what does that make the ACLU? Chopped liver? They deserve your support too!
For those of us with nVidia cards, the nView desktop manager supports multiple desktops. IIRC, they're switched by doing and alt-tab, and then an alt-~ (though I think that can be changed to whatever the user prefers).