People say Microsoft will ensure that *zero* percent of its IP will escape into the "wrong" hands - ie hands that aren't tied via a strict license. I used to argue this wasn't the case all the time but sadly as of late I have to say I would agree.
Now it seems Mono will simply morph into a commercial concern with backing from various industry heavyweights... that is unless the VCs consider it ripe for picking - in which case I will suddenly find myself workking for Intel... IBM... HP... you pick one, the VCs will.
Mono in GNOME, not likely at all I'm afraid... now if I had only kept my dumb mouth shut about reading the ECMA specs...DOH' CURSES!
the default way gnome is configured in most debian-baded distros is appalling and unusable. The deb package maintainers seem to have no appreciation of the way the gnome registry should be used. At least here the font AA looks as good as KDE - but unless debian addresses gnome users are going do be driven to the less than free KDE desktop which is a shame frankly IMO.
Passport is important not because of it being a breakthrough technologically speaking, but because the company is in a position to drive most people toward being suscribers of it. There is already a Large list of participating sites. There are many current users of it and Microsoft will be driving more users towards Passport as it integrates it in their upcoming release of Windows. Microsoft has also developed a toolkit to enable current web merchants to integrate their services with passport. To the end user, there is a clear benefit: they only have to log into a single network and not remember multiple passwords across sites on the internet. Companies that adopt passport will have a competition advantage over those that dont.
instead of moaning about how long it is taking to get mono up and running, you should be helping.
it is already about 90% complete, but we are a long way from the true cross-platform goodness of java.
but as long as Microsoft don't pull the patent rug from under our project (and keep providing indirect assistance and funding) we will eventually have a killer free tool that will benefit everyone. Yay:^)
"I'm a KDE user, everywhere I get the choice. But I've given money to the GNOME people, in spite of their MS affectations vis-a-vis Mono"
BTW gnome and mono are supported by commercial companies(ximian and Microsoft respectively) so your thanks and money tarnished as they are with your unholy use of KDE are unneeded and unwanted... now
please take your KDE loving friends and get off my message board:^)
"It's a waste of time, linux users should use KDE or Gnome!!
Yes, you are right. We use KDE, and we even think it is better than the Windows XP interface, but this project is not to replace KDE or Gnome. If you can switch a Windows XP user to Linux with the lowest learning curve as possible, then the goal of using KDE or Gnome is near. XPde is just an option for *existing* Windows XP users."
from which we can extrapolate: "sorry, but we think gnome is shit":^)
# It only accesses the "Sun download center", not the JDK files on java.sun.com.
thats simply not the case. i use it as a regular download manager (with wget) on linux . Just copy a complete URL to a file and paste it into sdm (edit,paste) and it will download the file (but won't be able to verify it using MD5 unless it came from sun's servers). i used sdm the other night to download the eclipse ide. if sun were as political as you say then surely they would put a stop to that.
# There's a JDK on the SDC. Not the latest beta, but newbies want a production release anyway. Except that I can't find a link to the Windows version. It's supposed to be there, but whatever I do I always end up with the Solaris/86 version!
go to java.sun.com click download beta, click sdk linux, click i agree (without bothering to real the licence) you get to a page with a personaly tailored ftp/http address. Normally you click this link to download (it may even download automatically if you trust javascript more than i do) paste the link into sdm and press start (the file will get downloaded verified and unzipped).
# There's a link to the SDC on java.sun.com, but it isn't very conspicious. Someone browsing java.sun.com could be excused for thinking that the SDC didn't include any Java software.
fair point
# I couldn't get the stupid download manager to work, anyway.
jesus! RTFM! what exactly did you used to do at Sun when you worked there? stock the vending machines?
LOL but someone managed to squeeze full-fat swing into an ipaq. And it was none to shabby. The company was savaje. They packed the whole of J2SE 1.3 and a custom micro OS into about 20MB!
isn't this what the guy who penned the shared source license wrote in his resignation letter to steve balmer.
but of course it easier to steal inventions from genuinely creative people. one more piece of evidence on the pile prooving microsoft are soon-to-be toast
one of the unforseen benefits i've noticed since making the 100% *nix migration (about 2 years ago) is gradually my windows user friends and co-workers have stopped pestering me for help. Sure in my heart i know XP is 2000 (which i used to use) so i could probably figure out how to help but instead i can say with a sincere face "sorry i don't know anything about windows XP or Office XP".
Ahhh the joy.... no more frustrating afternoons of a hundred reboots, trawling MS support where all problems seemingly are attributed to your video-card that end in the inevitable 3 hour reinstall from scratch.
one definition of a geek would be a person who obsessively sticks at a technical problem until they understand and solve it. These people thrive in the linux world, but the problems in MS world can be analogous to a tar-pit
whoa! rambling on..:^).. IMO the writing is on the wall for microsoft. If the geeks are jumping ship balmer will lose his army of free tech-support guys. And now with restrictive anti-piracy CD registration the days of me helping someone install MS office or XP using the spare CD-RW i copied in work are well&truly over.
so to summarise: if the writer wants my help with linux/gnome/opnOffice its all good. When her windows95 registy goes funny... she can fuck my ass - i know nothing (unless she is hot):^)
Let's start this review by pointing you to a Bjorn3D article that talks about the Linux advantage. Their article basically takes you through a press briefing that the media received from NVIDIA. It's a good article that talks about NVIDIA's stance on Linux and what they hope to accomplish in the Linux sector. It would have been the intro here but they did such a good job....
Now let's get into the hard stuff and show you the goods. The new NVIDIA installer, based on the Loki installer, is designed to make driver installation painless. Let's walk through a standard installation:
1.
Grab the Linux driver from NVIDIA's website here: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4 349/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run
2.
Run the utility by typing "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run".
3.
You'll be greeted with the screen shown below. This screen simply displays the license and asks you to either accept or deny it.
4.
Once you've accepted the license, the utility will check for a kernel module that has been pre-compiled. If it does not find one, it will then ask if you want to check the NVIDIA ftp site for a module.
5.
If you say "Yes" to the above question, the utility will go check and will return with either a module or a statement that you will need to build a module from scratch. Since we were working with a custom compiled kernel, we got the later.
6.
When you select "OK", the utility will then go to work and compile the new module and proceed to install the rest of the driver package.
7.
That's it. You will finally receive a screen stating that installation was a success and now all you need to do is configure your XF86Config file.
Now that you've seen how easy this installation can be, we'll now show you all the options that the installer has:
This program will install the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 1.0-4349 by unpacking the embedded tarball and executing the./nvidia-installer installation utility.
Below are the most common options; for a complete list use
'--advanced-options'.
--info
Print embedded info (title, default target directory) and exit.
--check
Check integrity of the archive and exit.
--extract-only
Extract the contents of./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run, but do not
run 'nvidia-installer'.
The following arguments will be passed on to the./nvidia-installer utility:
-a, --accept-license
Bypass the display and prompting for acceptance of the NVIDIA
Software License Agreement. By passing this option to
nvidia-installer, you indicate that you have read and accept
the License Agreement contained in the file 'LICENSE' (in the
top level directory of the driver package).
--update
Connect to the NVIDIA ftp server 'ftp://download.nvidia.com'
and determine the latest available driver version. If there is
a more recent driver available, automatically download and
install it. Any other options given on the commandline will be
passed on to the downloaded driver package when installing it.
-v, --version
Print the nvidia-installer version and exit.
-h, --help
Print usage information for the common commandline options and
exit.
-A, --advanced-options
Print usage information for the common commandline options as
well as the advanced options, and then exit.
So you see now that this utility doesn't really take away any of your control if you choose to pass certain options. If you would like to see all the options, pass the '-A' option. You will
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"Christ, I rambled plenty for this post...Many thanks to the Mono team!"
:^)
shucks, i am your hero
People say Microsoft will ensure that *zero* percent of its IP will escape into the "wrong" hands - ie hands that aren't tied via a strict license. I used to argue this wasn't the case all the time but sadly as of late I have to say I would agree.
Now it seems Mono will simply morph into a commercial concern with backing from various industry heavyweights... that is unless the VCs consider it ripe for picking - in which case I will suddenly find myself workking for Intel... IBM... HP... you pick one, the VCs will.
Mono in GNOME, not likely at all I'm afraid... now if I had only kept my dumb mouth shut about reading the ECMA specs...DOH' CURSES!
many thanks for all your kind support
love
miguel
the default way gnome is configured in most debian-baded distros is appalling and unusable. The deb package maintainers seem to have no appreciation of the way the gnome registry should be used. At least here the font AA looks as good as KDE - but unless debian addresses gnome users are going do be driven to the less than free KDE desktop which is a shame frankly IMO.
good work libranet team
love
miguel
arn't fujistu supposed to be McNeally's buddies?
Passport is important not because of it being a breakthrough technologically speaking, but because the company is in a position to drive most people toward being suscribers of it. There is already a Large list of participating sites. There are many current users of it and Microsoft will be driving more users towards Passport as it integrates it in their upcoming release of Windows. Microsoft has also developed a toolkit to enable current web merchants to integrate their services with passport. To the end user, there is a clear benefit: they only have to log into a single network and not remember multiple passwords across sites on the internet. Companies that adopt passport will have a competition advantage over those that dont.
http://www.go-mono.com/passport.html
instead of moaning about how long it is taking to get mono up and running, you should be helping.
:^)
it is already about 90% complete, but we are a long way from the true cross-platform goodness of java.
but as long as Microsoft don't pull the patent rug from under our project (and keep providing indirect assistance and funding) we will eventually have a killer free tool that will benefit everyone. Yay
"I'm a KDE user, everywhere I get the choice. But I've given money to the GNOME people, in spite of their MS affectations vis-a-vis Mono"
:^)
BTW gnome and mono are supported by commercial companies(ximian and Microsoft respectively) so your thanks and money tarnished as they are with your unholy use of KDE are unneeded and unwanted... now please take your KDE loving friends and get off my message board
from the XPde FAQ
:^)
"It's a waste of time, linux users should use KDE or Gnome!!
Yes, you are right. We use KDE, and we even think it is better than the Windows XP interface, but this project is not to replace KDE or Gnome. If you can switch a Windows XP user to Linux with the lowest learning curve as possible, then the goal of using KDE or Gnome is near. XPde is just an option for *existing* Windows XP users."
from which we can extrapolate: "sorry, but we think gnome is shit"
fp?
this could be a job for Webstart
errr... not sure what you downloaded but...
# It only accesses the "Sun download center", not the JDK files on java.sun.com.
thats simply not the case. i use it as a regular download manager (with wget) on linux . Just copy a complete URL to a file and paste it into sdm (edit,paste) and it will download the file (but won't be able to verify it using MD5 unless it came from sun's servers). i used sdm the other night to download the eclipse ide. if sun were as political as you say then surely they would put a stop to that.
# There's a JDK on the SDC. Not the latest beta, but newbies want a production release anyway. Except that I can't find a link to the Windows version. It's supposed to be there, but whatever I do I always end up with the Solaris/86 version!
go to java.sun.com click download beta, click sdk linux, click i agree (without bothering to real the licence) you get to a page with a personaly tailored ftp/http address. Normally you click this link to download (it may even download automatically if you trust javascript more than i do) paste the link into sdm and press start (the file will get downloaded verified and unzipped).
# There's a link to the SDC on java.sun.com, but it isn't very conspicious. Someone browsing java.sun.com could be excused for thinking that the SDC didn't include any Java software.
fair point
# I couldn't get the stupid download manager to work, anyway.
jesus! RTFM! what exactly did you used to do at Sun when you worked there? stock the vending machines?
sun do provide a download manager: called sun download manager... didn't you get the memo? BTW i don't work for sun i work for Microsoft :^)
i am so famous i get recognised on the street, and KDE fanboys at conferences sometimes throw eggs at me :^)
Sam Varghese can fuck my hairy-as-monkeyboy ass
1. That's up to the Mono or dotGNU people. We use the Reflection API A LOT and the current implementation on those platforms isn't quite up to snuff.
:^)
WTF! my reflection is beautiful
all desktops inherently belong to me! yours too amigo (insert evil laugh here) :^)
(see subject)
LOL but someone managed to squeeze full-fat swing into an ipaq. And it was none to shabby. The company was savaje. They packed the whole of J2SE 1.3 and a custom micro OS into about 20MB!
i think you might be better off using opera,thats the most feature complete compact (4MB) browser i know of (if you can live with the ads)
i have no karama so i can just say what i want:
all your israeli bases are soon belong to palestine again
but no thanks. israel is too dangerous for me, and over the next couple of weeks lets face it it's only gonna get worse.
Think i'll wait for a conference somewhere safer like here in US, or UK oh wait....
isn't this what the guy who penned the shared source license wrote in his resignation letter to steve balmer.
but of course it easier to steal inventions from genuinely creative people. one more piece of evidence on the pile prooving microsoft are soon-to-be toast
one of the unforseen benefits i've noticed since making the 100% *nix migration (about 2 years ago) is gradually my windows user friends and co-workers have stopped pestering me for help. Sure in my heart i know XP is 2000 (which i used to use) so i could probably figure out how to help but instead i can say with a sincere face "sorry i don't know anything about windows XP or Office XP".
:^) .. IMO the writing is on the wall for microsoft. If the geeks are jumping ship balmer will lose his army of free tech-support guys. And now with restrictive anti-piracy CD registration the days of me helping someone install MS office or XP using the spare CD-RW i copied in work are well&truly over.
:^)
Ahhh the joy.... no more frustrating afternoons of a hundred reboots, trawling MS support where all problems seemingly are attributed to your video-card that end in the inevitable 3 hour reinstall from scratch.
one definition of a geek would be a person who obsessively sticks at a technical problem until they understand and solve it. These people thrive in the linux world, but the problems in MS world can be analogous to a tar-pit
whoa! rambling on..
so to summarise: if the writer wants my help with linux/gnome/opnOffice its all good. When her windows95 registy goes funny... she can fuck my ass - i know nothing (unless she is hot)
use an abstraction layer and your code will be portable (maybe) to gtk#
The New Utility
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run --help ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run [options]
./nvidia-installer installation utility.
./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run, but do not
./nvidia-installer
Let's start this review by pointing you to a Bjorn3D article that talks about the Linux advantage. Their article basically takes you through a press briefing that the media received from NVIDIA. It's a good article that talks about NVIDIA's stance on Linux and what they hope to accomplish in the Linux sector. It would have been the intro here but they did such a good job....
Now let's get into the hard stuff and show you the goods. The new NVIDIA installer, based on the Loki installer, is designed to make driver installation painless. Let's walk through a standard installation:
1.
Grab the Linux driver from NVIDIA's website here: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-4 349/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run
2.
Run the utility by typing "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run".
3.
You'll be greeted with the screen shown below. This screen simply displays the license and asks you to either accept or deny it.
4.
Once you've accepted the license, the utility will check for a kernel module that has been pre-compiled. If it does not find one, it will then ask if you want to check the NVIDIA ftp site for a module.
5.
If you say "Yes" to the above question, the utility will go check and will return with either a module or a statement that you will need to build a module from scratch. Since we were working with a custom compiled kernel, we got the later.
6.
When you select "OK", the utility will then go to work and compile the new module and proceed to install the rest of the driver package.
7.
That's it. You will finally receive a screen stating that installation was a success and now all you need to do is configure your XF86Config file.
Now that you've seen how easy this installation can be, we'll now show you all the options that the installer has:
glacier src #
This program will install the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for
Linux-x86 1.0-4349 by unpacking the embedded tarball and executing
the
Below are the most common options; for a complete list use
'--advanced-options'.
--info
Print embedded info (title, default target directory) and exit.
--check
Check integrity of the archive and exit.
--extract-only
Extract the contents of
run 'nvidia-installer'.
The following arguments will be passed on to the
utility:
-a, --accept-license
Bypass the display and prompting for acceptance of the NVIDIA
Software License Agreement. By passing this option to
nvidia-installer, you indicate that you have read and accept
the License Agreement contained in the file 'LICENSE' (in the
top level directory of the driver package).
--update
Connect to the NVIDIA ftp server 'ftp://download.nvidia.com'
and determine the latest available driver version. If there is
a more recent driver available, automatically download and
install it. Any other options given on the commandline will be
passed on to the downloaded driver package when installing it.
-v, --version
Print the nvidia-installer version and exit.
-h, --help
Print usage information for the common commandline options and
exit.
-A, --advanced-options
Print usage information for the common commandline options as
well as the advanced options, and then exit.
So you see now that this utility doesn't really take away any of your control if you choose to pass certain options. If you would like to see all the options, pass the '-A' option. You will