Provide a software package / SDK to make addons that comes w/ no hardware. Let the end users purchase low end hardware additionally (at a profit). But give the folks the ability to just build/buy their own Multimedia Computer.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the open source community doesn't have this partial solution out there already.
I think the market would support the sale of additional/optional low end hardware at a profit.
I'm just saying that it's about limiting/defining fair use through a contract (actually policy). Not about ethics. Stealing. Or piracy.
I say policy... because Blizzard makes known to everyone what their policy is. You know what it is because you click ok every day. And then the enforcing of the policy is what keeps it real.
In other words... if you use our product in any fassion other then the one prescribed... it dammages Blizzard, WoW customers,... Mom, Dad, and apple pie;)
I don't understand how they come up w/ the value they assign to the stolen goods. And I do believe that these are stolen goods. It seems sort of silly though... to let the company assign the dollar value to their product. In this same way... I could fold up a little paper rabbit... place a 5 million dollar price tag on it... wait for some shmuck to steel it... and then blamo... send the guy to prision for 25 years for taking a very "expensive" piece of paper.
Is it the contract as constructed by the merchant? Or is it the contract as defined by the community? The 50ft sales recipt is the attempt to limit the rights as defined by the community contract? Like a EULA attempts to limit the rights of "fair use"?
I work for a small consulting company that took their contract templates directly from IBM. I have to go see if they did the appropriate search/replace.... The Dude
I'm not sure that the point of the article is to complain about EULA's in general? Or even the ethics of EULA's.
It seems to me that these folks are complaining about fair use of something that they purchased? In this case Blizzard is attempting to limit what constitutes fair use w/ a EULA. The question is... can they do that? One certainly can not re-write law w/ a EULA. IE. I can't make slavery legal because someone clicked on a link or signed a piece of paper. Some rights can't be signed away. That's just how life works.
In summary.
Not about ethics.
About fair use of a product.
And limiting that fair use through a contract.
In this case EULA.
If someone tells you that you don't have to read a contract before you sign it... it's paramount to them voiding the contract all together.
Is a EULA designed to keep you from being able to read it?
It reminds me of those stickers that you had to tear to open your software that said... by tearing this sticker you agree to the following text file... that you can't read w/o tearing this sticker.
If a EULA isn't valid...
What about those 50ft sales recipts that I get after purchaseing 2 audio CDs at Best Buy?
Is that binding?
I get that after the purchase...
and no one tells me to sign here...
or click that.
If we would refuse to use the software...
the policy would change.
No one protests anymore.... The Dude
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Spam' makes' people' angry;)
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At first read... I was all... Yeah... String 'em up and stuff.
Then I thought about it. We are the real idiots.
We set up a system to send mail... by which anyone and his brother or pet turkey can set up their own eMail server and... Then we complain when their pet turkeys clog up our in boxes.
pfft
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And what's wrong with having a personal mission?
A mission in life doesn't imply a vendetta.... The Dude
That's it...
We'll hold the people who make the OS...
Responsible...
When it comes to enforcing the law.
Of course the software is going to have to be somewhat self aware.
At least know where on the planet it is located.
And have a firm understanding of how the law applies in the given context of the current file "copy".
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I've often thought it would be a good idea to ...
Provide a software package / SDK to make addons that comes w/ no hardware. Let the end users purchase low end hardware additionally (at a profit). But give the folks the ability to just build/buy their own Multimedia Computer.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the open source community doesn't have this partial solution out there already.
I think the market would support the sale of additional/optional low end hardware at a profit.
My main gripe is that I can't upgrade my TiVo.
Cheers,
--The Dde
I clicked on the Asia-Pacific link ...
...
And saw that the number 10 company was Nude Drinks
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thanks,
--The Dude
Actually,
... because Blizzard makes known to everyone what their policy is. You know what it is because you click ok every day. And then the enforcing of the policy is what keeps it real.
... if you use our product in any fassion other then the one prescribed ... it dammages Blizzard, WoW customers, ... Mom, Dad, and apple pie ;)
That's exactly how I look at it.
I'm just saying that it's about limiting/defining fair use through a contract (actually policy). Not about ethics. Stealing. Or piracy.
I say policy
In other words
Cheers,
-- The Dude
I don't blame him for his ignorance ... ;)
I blame the media
I see your point of view ...
... to let the company assign the dollar value to their product. In this same way ... I could fold up a little paper rabbit ... place a 5 million dollar price tag on it ... wait for some shmuck to steel it ... and then blamo ... send the guy to prision for 25 years for taking a very "expensive" piece of paper.
In addition.
I don't understand how they come up w/ the value they assign to the stolen goods. And I do believe that these are stolen goods. It seems sort of silly though
cheers
Is it the contract as constructed by the merchant?
Or is it the contract as defined by the community?
The 50ft sales recipt is the attempt to limit the rights as defined by the community contract?
Like a EULA attempts to limit the rights of "fair use"?
I Love it ...
... The Dude
I work for a small consulting company that took their contract templates directly from IBM. I have to go see if they did the appropriate search/replace.
I'm not sure that the point of the article is to complain about EULA's in general?
... can they do that? One certainly can not re-write law w/ a EULA. IE. I can't make slavery legal because someone clicked on a link or signed a piece of paper. Some rights can't be signed away. That's just how life works.
Or even the ethics of EULA's.
It seems to me that these folks are complaining about fair use of something that they purchased? In this case Blizzard is attempting to limit what constitutes fair use w/ a EULA. The question is
In summary.
Not about ethics.
About fair use of a product.
And limiting that fair use through a contract.
In this case EULA.
Cheers,
-- The Dude
I see your point of view ...
... it's paramount to them voiding the contract all together.
... by tearing this sticker you agree to the following text file ... that you can't read w/o tearing this sticker.
...
... ...
If someone tells you that you don't have to read a contract before you sign it
Is a EULA designed to keep you from being able to read it?
It reminds me of those stickers that you had to tear to open your software that said
If a EULA isn't valid
What about those 50ft sales recipts that I get after purchaseing 2 audio CDs at Best Buy?
Is that binding?
I get that after the purchase
and no one tells me to sign here
or click that.
Later,
-- The Dude
But ...
...
... The Dude
If we would refuse to use the software
the policy would change.
No one protests anymore.
Spam' makes' people' angry ;)
At first read ... ... ...
... ...
I was all
Yeah
String 'em up and stuff.
Then I thought about it.
We are the real idiots.
We set up a system to send mail
by which anyone and his brother or pet turkey can set up their own eMail server and
Then we complain when their pet turkeys clog up our in boxes.
pfft
And what's wrong with having a personal mission?
... The Dude
A mission in life doesn't imply a vendetta.
I hadn't thought about food ...
...
...
Guns
That had crossed my mind.
But yes
There should be something engineered into the food to ensure that wrong thinking people are unable to benefit from it's nutritional values.
--The Dude
You also have to have some sort of infrastructure ...
... ...
... as well as belief. ... The Dude
I mean
P2P is somewhat client server
You can't find out about any of the peers w/o some form of centralization.
So perhaps one also needs an infrastructure
Actually ...
... The Dude
By this logic we put people in prison for how their creations are used.
So we put all of the gun makers in prision.
Guns kill.
And saftys don't seem to stop people from killing other people.
I've heard you can kill someone w/ a straw.
Those damn straw people need to go to jail.
Well ...
... ..
... ... You go to jail for your child !? ... The Dude
Not for potential
But
For having children.
I mean
If you have a child and that child commits a crime
Why is all this focus on P2P software?
... ...
... ... ...
It's crazy !?
What about FTP
IRC
Copy?
That's it
We'll hold the people who make the OS
Responsible
When it comes to enforcing the law.
Of course the software is going to have to be somewhat self aware.
At least know where on the planet it is located.
And have a firm understanding of how the law applies in the given context of the current file "copy".
Pfft,
-- The Dude
Hey There ...
I've watched the Jetsons.
And I still don't see those flying cars we were promised.
I smell a flying car in here somewhere.
Cheers,
--The Dude
I think solar power would be great for my home,
;)
It spends a lot of time out in the sun.
But my clothing?
I don't spend nearly as much time in the sun as my home does
Cheers,
-- The Dude
Exactly ...
...
The only thing that thay can do
Is tell you who you can and can not sell that tech to.
So give it away for free !!
Cheers,
-- The Dude
Exactly,
But fear of incarceration should not deter one from action on ones conscience.
Cheers,
-- The Dude
The funny thing is ...
That was a summary of an episode of Sliders.
Aftermarket electrodes attached to your remote control ;)
The only difference is ...
The times, they are a changing, and the cheese is a moving.
In other words, markets are desperately trying to keep today exactly like yesterday.
Cheers,
-- The Dude