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Robot Makers Say World Cup Will Be Theirs By 2050
mindpixel writes "The Scotsman is reporting that the Japanese are very confident they can build a robotic team that will win the World Cup by 2050 using a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON which operates completely independently of human input, making its own decisions based on information that it perceives with its 360 degree vision, and is able to recognise the football, approach it and deliver a hefty kick. It is also able to identify an opponent and shield the ball in much the same way as a human player does."
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When you replace the word "football" with "head".
And who/what will be the mascot? the AIBO? the Robosapien?
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Well if the damn thing can see 360 degrees at once, that's not really fair, is it?
Just replace players with tanks and the cup is yours!
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will FIFA let them play?
Will the robots also be able to fall down and scream in 'agony' when the opposition barely nicks them in the hope of getting a easy penalty?
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How convienient - team sets outrageously ambitious goal, deadline is after everyone involved will have retired...
Maybe they should volunteer to help Bush make a colony on Mars while they're at it.
So when they tackle thier opponents, they'll just rip that person's legs right off!
Yeah, but cars aren't fully autonomous. These robots certainly appear to be. Even if they're only playing football (and that's soccer to the Americans), they certainly could be programmed to do other things. And I'm still not discounting the possibility of AI being created within my lifetime.
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So what happens when one of the human players on the other team does a slide tackle on the robot? Does the robot fall down? Does the robot get damaged? Does the human get injured? IANASP, but it seems like physical contact between opposing players is so common that replacing man with machine is either clumsy, scary, or both.
From the looks of it, it will first kick the opponents in their knees so it can freely roam around and kick the ball without any opponents left.
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Still, who's gonna watch 'bots kick a ball around?
Obviously more 'bots, which'll 'splain why nothing gets down around the house on weekends.
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The country that builds the robotic scorekeepers!
can this thing run linux and more importantly will linux exist in 2050?
If only soccer was as easy as a bit of shielding and hefty kicking !
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This is offtopic, but does anyone remember hearing about a photocopier that was modified to cut the lawn? This would go back several years, at least.
Pampered multi millionaire footballers won't even step foot on a field if other players have slightly hard shin guards, let alone legs made of titianium!
Of course robots are going to win.. who's going to slide tackle something with a solid exoskeleton which will presumably weigh significantly more than the average person? Can you say "compound fracture?"
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Getting them to not break the opponents legs and heads will be the tough part.
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Well, even today, I can build you a one-robot team that will, at least, would never lose.
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I needs no batteries or wheels. However, it is 24 feet wide and 8 feet high. If the ball is stiffly inflated, we can actually reduce the size of this robot down to about 23 feet wide by 7.5 feet tall.
I remember watching a robotics program on TechTV, not G4TTV, where they stated this exact same thing. Robots will be able to defeat humans in the 2050 World Cup.
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these guys will be immune to tugging under-arm hair, stamping on laces, flicking nuts and going over the top.
but..
1. will they run linux
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2. i bet they still won't understand offside
and playing cricket we should be OK.
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I think these shows prove that no one gives a damn about watching robots play sports.
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winning FIFA World Cup != (Shield & Kick Ball)
Will they be programmed to command outrageous salaries? "Pay, or fall victim to my pincers!" Would not paying them be some kind of violation of rights? Seriously, though, who'd bet on this? I'm sure that there are bookies out there right now offering 50:1 against. We were supposed to have flying cars and cities on the moon by now, so I wonder whether the soccer-robot schedule may have to be pushed back while we clear out the backlog of tall orders.
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We'll just slashdot 'em in the final round
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You wait and see ... they'll be droids everywhere getting pissed on cheap petrol
Yet another product release by the Snake Oil corporation otherwise known as AI.
Content-free statements like the 2050 press release is what gives AI a bad name. Serious AI researchers would be well advised to ostracized people who make such half hazardly statements, yet they seem to embrace them: the overly (and misguidedly) ambitious robot soccer competition is part of the main conference in the field (IJCAI).
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THE footballers of tomorrow will have the midfield guile of Zinedine Zidane, the finishing ability of Andriy Shevchenko and the staying power of Roy Keane.
Roy Keane? Staying power? World Cup? They sent him home!
making its own decisions based on information that it perceives with its 360 degree vision, and is able to recognise the football, approach it and deliver a hefty kick. It is also able to identify an opponent and shield the ball in much the same way as a human player does.
And if that doesn't convince you they'll win the World Cup, perhaps you need a demonstration of the man-killing laser beams that shoot out of their eyes, meatbag.
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The football? I thought they said the World Cup. Don't these foreigners know that footballs are for the Super Bowl and soccer balls are for the World Cup? Sheesh.
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"a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON"
38cm = 14.9606299 inches, or about a foot and two inches
Nothing to fear here. Except maybe leg-humping offenses.
humans will be out of a job and can never find one because someone decides to reprogram them for different tasks?
General, speaker and topic independent voice recognition (i.e. computers will understand general human speech) is promised for roughly 30 years in the future.
Strangely the 30 year distance from "now" has been in effect for several decades. It seems the problem gets progressively more difficult, the better it is understood.
I guess the same is true for the robot-issue: Allways just not quite in reach.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
By 2050 we will be able to clone a team of David Beckhams with giant mishapen, club feet and a goalie with 6 arms that will own the robot team!
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I for one welcome our new soccor playing robot over lords.
I'm an avid soccer player and soccer is by no means a clumsy sport. It requires an ample amount of finace and agility. I don't see a robot achieving this. This is based simple on the fact that a robot the dimensions of a human being would probable way two or three times as much. thus having significantly more momentum to overcome on say on a simple move.
I'm absolutly sick of reading what we can do in the future. Scientist and Engineers should stop wasting their time predicting and start focusing on what we can do now and improving on that.
It seems so complex to have all those position, speed, teammate, and other information.
How about a simple game? So, when will Robot acquire the championship of GO?
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The World Cup? I'd say that they've set a pretty high
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time followed by the players leaving the field for 10 minutes of analyzing it by commentators,(or commercials if you are watching it on a free channel), in a never ending cycle.
So the will make 90 minutes of play time get done in 90 minutes instead of 4 hours.
Also, there's the interesting question of logistics: will the World Cup champion team want to play against a team of robots? How would you like to miss the ball and kick your shin right into a robot's aliminum alloy leg? Ouch!
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Let's not even start about the spikes on their shoes.
Is this in the same route of saying something in 1955 that will happen in 2005? If so, might I ask where all of the predictions from that era went? And why is no one bragging about "being right"?
than I do today. I don't care to watch a game where the final score can be and often is 1-0, much less such a game played by machines. The weakest NFL player could turn the strongest soccer player into a human pretzel.
I don't disagree that they will win football, chess and WWIV.
I also support our robotic overlords.
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By 2050?
45 years in the future!!!
Great another prediction that no one will be around to see. And if they are around we'll have long since forgotten this bogus prediction.
Don't encourage these people that make predictions in the far flung, unaccountable future. Don't give them press. Just ignore them.
Yeah, I am going to invent faster than light travel by 2075. Seeing as I plan to be dead by then, I'll just pull some more predictions out of my ass.
Every God Damn environmental "chicken little" prediction occurs about 10 years after the predictor's expected date of death. "The world will go through another r Ice Age.", "The polar caps are melting." "We'll be eating solent green."
Of course, these claims aren't restricted to environmentalism. "The Japanese are going to own all of America." "The EU will pass a Consitution. (OK cheap shot)."
Look if they can't make a prediction that is close enough in time to be held accountable for it, shut up.
BTW, wasn't it predicted that I'd go to work in my flying car by the year 2000?
I seriously hope the robotic spectators will not cut seats in trains or spray profanities about the police all around.
These two activities seem to be the purpose in life of like 80% spectators, at least where I live. But hey, in 2050 I guess I won't care about that anyway.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Considering the creation of Skynet will lead to the destruction of humanity, we simply won't be able to field a good team in 2050.
using a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON which operates completely independently of human input
Much like any other soccer player then.....
Maybe not robots but certainly bionically enhanced people by then.
....soccer?
Doesn't really seem practical for robot/human soccer matches (considering the humans would obviously be at a severe advantage), but what about a Robot World Cup? And yes, I mean real soccer-robots, not some BattleBot hitting a soccer ball with it's wedge before another innappropriately-placed hole appears.
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...can they design an authentic robotic soccer hooligan? (powered by alcohol of course)
People forget that 50 years ago, we were also quite sure we'd have flying cars by now.
I'm still waiting for mine.
This claim was made for one reason and one reason only: to get press.
And what did "The Scotsman" do? They gave it to them. Why? To sell newspapers.
There are so many other "robot" claims that could have been made, each with much deeper ramifications. (like robotic cars that drive themselves, or robots in combat, or robots performing tasks too dangerous for humans, robotic pilots, robotic servants, even robotic dogwalkers, the list goes on endlessly), but none of those predictions (as life-changing and useful as they are) makes for guaranteed press; So out comes the press release about something utterly nonsensical. "Watch out England! Robots will kick your ass at football in 45 years!"
And so we have yet another marriage of the press-desperate to the story-desperate.
Want an interesting story?
Robots will replace human workers for non-repetitive tasks requiring decision-making well before 2050. Now *That's* a story that will change the world. But don't worry about that. Its depressing. Let's talk about football instead, we can sell more papers that way.
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And it will run windows 2005. No need to worry, I bet it won't be able to reboot in time and instead will have green screen of death.
No computer program in existence today even comes close to touching a Go 'grand master'. The parent is making an excellent point.
It's funny ya know. When the RoboCup was announced it was claimed that once we solve soccer, we'll be well on our way to solving all the problems of robotics. After all, for a robot to play soccer it has to be able to recognise objects right? Like the ball, the net, other players, etc. Well yes and no. If you're making a soccer playing robot you need to be able to recognise those 3 types of objects, but you don't need to code a general object recognision system to acheive that. You don't even need the robot to be able to learn new object mappings in a sensible amount of time (it doesn't matter if it took you 3 weeks to train the robot to tell the difference between the ball and the net, cause once it is done, it is done). So when a robot soccer team beats the world's best human soccer team, it just means that we've solved one more game. Some of that research will translate into research that will be good for solving other games (just like chess solving algorithms did) but most of it won't be any good for an actual product.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Aren't there rules that say only people can play soccer?
I for one welcome our new soccer-playing mini robot overlords!
Oh, wait a minute, no I don't. Fuck soccer. Maybe with little robots playing against humans I'd watch. For a few minutes. I don't care if a hot woman takes off her shirt at the end of every game, I'm not watching quite possibly the worst sport ever invented.
When computer chess programs beat humans, their depth of strategy outplays the humans. The actual moves themselves have no flair or art. So when a striker creates a miraculous goal, it's not so much his strategy that makes it brilliant but the art in executing it. And like of these computer versus human competitions, be it chess or football, the computers aren't beating humans, a machine programmed by humans is beating humans. No matter who wins, humans win ..... until the robots gain conciousness and take over the world
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I went to the International Robocup Challenge in Padua Italy 2 years ago and have to admit that it's just amazing what's being developed. While the human robotics competition side of things has only just started if anyone has seen the SDR (Sony Dream Robot) then you'll see that it'll probably take less than 45years to win. The Robocup challenge's whole goal is to produce a robot by 2050 that will beat the top human soccer team in the world cup. That goal has been around for quite a few years, and isn't exclusively for the Osaka robotics team. I became very good friends with one of the AI programmers of one of the Osaka robotics team, and amongst all the different human robots theirs was the best (the SDR wasn't competing, it was only dancing in the background). Don't forget their are more sections than just the Human robotics side. There is the Small robot league which has some of the fastest games of robotics soccer you'll ever see, there's also the Mid sized robots, which kick around real sized soccer balls and have been using the full 360deg viewing for some time. Rescue league has lots of potential, and coupled with the computer rescue simulation competition I can see in the future waves of small robots being controlled by a hot air balloon floating above a crash site as they scour the rubble for signs of survivors. The humanoid robots will be able to (hopefully) kick the soccer ball with such precision and accuracy that they just shouldn't miss. They will be able to run simulations to determine the best way to hit the ball. There is already a team of researchers trying to create mechanical muscles which will be faster and more efficient then human muscles but are powered by chemicals not straight electricity (solving the battery problem). Check out http://www.robocup.org/ or just email me for more info.
If they're able to make a robot so agile that it can compete with humans, they can no doubt make one that's armored and can carry an M-16.
And they're already rolling out some robotic remote-controlled gunners in Iraq.
Bullet-proof casualty-proof soldiers may change the face of global conflict nearly as much as the atomic bomb, if they can manufacture large numbers of them.
Suudsu, that stuff is G-E-W-D.
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I think they have completely missed the point of sport if they think that having robots compete against humans is a worthwhile endeavor. Of course we should expect robots and computers to be able to beat humans at various tasks. But the whole point of sport is for humans to compete against other humans in the spirit of real competition. If you think this soccer game would be worth watching, ask yourself if you think human vs. robot arm-wrestling sounds interesting.
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The robots can tell the difference between a team mate, which is 32 centimeters high... and a 5' to 6' high human being...
Why does that not sound like much of an accomplishment.
Its not like anything but the opposing team is going to come running at the robot with the ball...
It can also determine that the only mid sized spherical object with a black and white pattern on it is in fact a ball...
Once again doesnt sound like much of an accomplishment.
How slowly do they do this at the present time?
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what sort of celebration dance does a robot do after scoring a goal...the robot?
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First, 38 cm high? That's... um... a bit of a hardship to the humans that are used to playing players that are 180 cm tall, isn't it?
Second, 360 degree vision. Again, that's quite an advantage to the robots - literally "eyes in the back of their head".
A bit fairer competition would be 180 cm tall robots with 180 degree vision. Let's throw in a restriction that the robots be bipedal, too - no hiding the ball among 8 legs or some such...
I'd much rather see robots used for some kind of intelligent purpose rather than with a goal like playing the World Cup in mind, without FIFA sanctions at all, which would never happen because FIFA wouldn't sanction a match 45 years away.
With the kind of objectives this team has laid before them, I for one would love to play on the robot team, maybe just as a sub, they could afford to pay me my huge human contract as the other players would get nothing but WD-40 and a recharge.
I think it would be interesting to have cameras installed in every robots head as well, and why not the human players heads as well, so that we can all watch the game from a certain players point of view.
Not that I'm optimistic enough to believe in the human race surviving to 2050. But atleast now I have something to look forward to! Robot soccer team woohoo, money well spent!
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WTF?? Yeah right. I don't know why we humans fight wars when all vestiges of dis-harmony could be eliminated by one team beating the other in soccer/football.
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I'd like to see the lads from Buenos Aires field a competing team of automatons. When the going gets tough they can whack the ball into the goal with their little robotic arms and blame it on "the Hand of Robby"
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It's bad enough being kicked by a human leg, let alone a robot leg.
Could you imagine the bruises you'd get from playing this robot army?
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Oh geez, so now we're going to watch robots play at such a professional level that it'll be like those chess matches against the supercomputers you hear about. God knows I wouldn't play against them.
So what's next? The Japanese are going to create robots that will fight in World War 3 for us all, but next thing you know they'll have made some sort of floating point error to cause the robots to turn on humans by 2096! Can we say Terminator?
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Actually, Brazil is not far from robotic players right now- consider their rate of plastic surgery per person- now combine that with yesterday's news of UTD research on chemically fired artificial muscles and there you go. One day, Barry Bonds may be seen as a man ahead of his time.
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In theory these robots should be able to kick footballs around at tremendous speed with precision people will never be able to match.
Vision systems will allow them to map the trajectory of the ball onto their own appendage with pixel accuracy, figuring out the precise power and angle of the return kick necessary to land that ball anywhere they want (within reason).
And where vision fails, touch sensors on the surface of the foot will be able to figure out what part of the ball they are touching, and what speed, and readjust the kick while it is in the process of being carried, to enable even greater precision. This is something people will never be able to do. By the time our brains get information from touch sensors (some sluggish 50+ msec after the impact), it way too late to change the motor program.
Once the physical technology gets into place, sports against robots will be as futile as fighting against railgun bots in quake.
I don't recall where I read it but I thought the original target date was 2030. As impressive as all this is -- and it is impressive -- the pace of research going on in biotech (i.e. dna, synthetic biology, nano-machines, etc.) seems to indicate that any ancestor of these prototypes will be irrelevant by 2050.
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There is a much bigger question here however. Why are the Japanese all about things robotic? They possess the highest average age of any population on Earth. They don't have enough workers and the issue is getting critical. Most of the developed nations, including China, will be in the same position in 20 years. The big question is this -- do you import cheap immigrant labor to do your work or do you automate like hell. The Japanese have clearly chosen automation and these kinds of predictions make that decision clear. But implicit in their decision is the question of whether a national policy of extreme automation is in fact tacit descrimination against developing nations. Why not hire more foreign-born workers to make your Toyotas, Hondas or Mitshubishis? Focus all this robot stuff on extremely hazardous and dangerous jobs and give the
1,500,000,000 people living on less than $1 a day a chance at a better life.
I suppose automation will continue its march and I predict this social question is going to be huge in the next 5 - 10 years. But I'd hate to think that these stunning robotic achievements are really xenophobia by proxy.
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I, for one, welcome our new soccer-playing robot overlords.
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but, I predict that within 100 years, robot soccer players will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.
Lots of people are working on that fiel right now... From the portuguese ISR to Samsung. For an introduction on the subject I recommend the 2004 book, Soccer Robotics from several Korean autors, edited by Springer. http://www.springeronline.com/sgw/cda/frontpage/0, 11855,5-40109-22-29677021-0,00.html
Like many HAL2000 related predictions somebody will discover some very dificult challenges on the way.
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... and a robotic team will tie from 2015 to 2049 thanks in part to their goalie.
bullshit.
The robots will no doubt have the dexterity of Zidane and the speed of Ronaldo but what concerns me is whether they would have enough intelligence! Usually in a game of computer chess, the chess engine matches the best move against the move by the user. The moves are ofcourse pre-programmed during development or if the move fails the engine records the better move by the user. If this is how the robots are programmed, then don't you think each one of them will execute the same command under a certain condition, and it won't be much of a football match, would it?!
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I work in Japan, and asking my coworkers about their robot team yielded nothing. Are the Japanese being less-than-forthcoming about the robots that they are collectively building? Maybe I should ask the walkie-talkie-waving Chinese hive brain if it's heard anything.
After kicking humans in the nads with their hydraulic legs, terminator-style...
You approached the question as if the robots of each country would reflect the defects of the human football players. I guess thats supposed to be funny. It's much more likely that they would reflect the technological prowless of the sponser country, or maybe the cars that each country produces. Looks like the brittish are really going to suck, but at least they won't be as bad as the french.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Otherwise, they won't know how to take a proper dive...
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360 degree vision, and is able to recognise the football, approach it and deliver a hefty kick.
Growing up, I recall my mother could give me a hefty kick in the butt after she saw what I did with her 360 degree vision (the eyes in the back of her head). I'm pretty sure she can recognize a football, but I'm still doubtful she could win the world cup.
I would be happy just to see a bipedal robot that can beat me in a race (sprint or distance).
But what about the rules? what if someone made all the robots 8 feet tall and weighed 800 pounds? Who would sliding tackle that? What if they made an 8 armed goal keeper? what if THEY sliding tackled YOU?
He also dodges the question of a robot insurrection, a possibility that will not have escaped anyone in the industry after the release of the Will Smith film I, Robot.
I'm not worried about a robot uprising. What scares me is that a robot that can play in the World Cup can also quietly and effectively kill me in a dark alley, take my wallet and return across town to its waiting owner. If pursued by police it could erase its memory or outright destroy itself to protect the owner's identity. I don't recall ever reading a sci-fi story about a human master thief overseeing a gang of robotic pickpockets and burglars, but if they can play football why not?
I for one welcome our new soccer-playing overlords.
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Apples and oranges, peeps. Sure, it's interesting, having robots and stuff. But this fetish about machine/human competition misses a big point, and is just plain dumb.
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I wonder if the programmers will program in algorithms to weigh the cost and benefit of executing foul play in certain situations. I can see where machines with "360 degree" view can have a "leg up" (pun intended) on human players---they know when the official is not watching. Even if the official is watching, I can see certain situations where fouling a player would be advantageous.
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In one of the halves, it would have to kick off from the centre circle. How would it get back into the goal square?
Attack its weak point for massive damage!
If I recall correctly, Asimov was writing in the context of sentient (or at least the Turing-test-passing approximation of such) robots, which we do not have and aren't likely to any time soon. Secondly, the US military "violates" these laws just about every time it goes to war, if you count Tomahawk cruise missiles and armed Predator drones as robots, and, given their sponsorship of the DARPA autonomous vehicle challenge, they'll violate it left, right, and center if they ever get their hands on more truly autonomous devices. Whether this is morally correct or not is worthy of debate, but Asimov's laws are hardly the last word on the matter.
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And in case of sudden death, do they get to use their lasers?
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By 2050, our aim is to beat the winners of football's World Cup
I hope the winners will run fast, before the evil robots come to beat them.
Personally I don't believe it to be possible with the agility of humans. Sure a robot can probably kick harder and see 360 degrees around itself, but the footwork of defensive and offensive players in soccer is impressive to no end.
However what I do find amusing is the little advantages they give machines to edge out over humans. Take the Kasparov vs. Deep Blue competition. The experienced chess player can see about 12 moves ahead. While Deep Blue was calculating billions of possible moves in seconds. Kasparov gave that machine a huge run for its money and beat it a few times if I recall correctly.
Now these machines require 360 degrees of viewing, the added edge. I am also sure that they will kick the ball with amazing force that would make even the most stout soccer player wanna dodge the ball.
Seems to me that the only way robots/AI has been able to best humans is by having distinct huge advantages in critical area's.
Then again, when this fateful soccer tournament happens... no one in america will no since no one in america watches soccer.
It isn't exactly fair to have a robot with theoretically super-human strength to be knocking into human beings, kicking a rubber ball, and jumping around a field to attempt to win a soccer game .. is it?
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Uh oh - sounds like ethics here - "Robots are people too" and "Robots should be given fair treatment under title 9, like women"
Great guys.
So should insects, roaches, mice and dogs.
"One area that researchers are not keen on tackling, however, is robot armies. "Down through human history, the
weapon that has caused the most deaths has been the knife, so all technology has a risk, but what we do with this
technology is up to human beings," Mr Ishiguro said. "I don't think the idea of robot armies is a good one, but that's not
my decision." "
I can't beleive this ignoramus. THE KNIFE has killed more people than bombs and guns, huh? Wow. I guess World History never happened in the eyes of Mr. Ishiguro.
As well, he claims that it's, "...not my decision" as to whether or not these things can be used as a type of clone-army (star wars!.. they kinda look like storm troopers!) and that is completely NOT true. If he really wanted protection against the use of this technology as robotic army prototypes or the framework for such an army, he could easily state such a doctrine in some type of legal document preventing the use of this technology for purposes of war.
But he chooses not to, because everyone is thinkin of the bottom line, the big-fat BUCK, and he's no different than any other entreprenuer.
Yay for the free market capitalists!
So when the England star players - Kev, Bev and the two Trevs - mysteriously malfunction during the World Cup, will Sam Slade: Robo-Hunter be hired to investigate?
You must think in Russian.
This will be about as exciting as watching a fork truck competing in weightliftning at the Olympics.
Or the human players will get "Inventive"
also, no pocket EMP devices should be allowed
to enter the stadium
...there has been a team of robots incapable of winning the World Cup since 1966....
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
What they failed to report is the current robot team would probably beat the Scotland team as it stands!
That is all
...a better human team they start building a robotic one. That's sad, Japan... real sad.
In one of the later books in the Foundation series, R Daneel Olivaw, a robot, eventually comes to the conclusion that there is a Zeroth Law that supercedes the First Law, namely that a robot can do nothing through action or inaction that causes harm to come to "Humanity". The first law then is amended so that a robot cannot allow harm to come to a human, except when it is needed to obey the Zeroth Law.
Meanwhile American engineers are creating robots to watch soccer, an activity American sports fans consider too tedious for humans to perform.
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Funny how Sci-Fi Robots tend to be these shiny metallic looking machines while real robots most often seem to be these plastic looking overgrown toys. I suppose it makes sense weightwise and such but why do they often chose to make them metallic in movies and comicbooks?
The robots with inadvertently break the legs of the human playes. These players will be replaced by a robotic team equiped with rocket launchers. Soon both sides will be armed and the team with the most robots with their heads still attached will win.
I'm sure robots will make excellect footballers.
this is actually nothing new. I am a student working on a robotproject at TU Delft, in holland. there is a whole international competition for robotic soccer, with several competitions for different types of robots (we participate in the 4 legged AIBO league) http://www.robocup.org/ the goal of all this is indeed to have a humanoid team playing against the human world soccer champion team in 2050, and winning. but my point is; this is already going on for years, nothing new. but the extra ./ attention is nice though :)
Brazillian players get a lot of plastic surgery?
I guess that explains Ronaldo. Plastic surgery gone wrong.
Reminds me of an episode of the Jetsons where
George went to see a football game played by
two robot teams. (The statue of Liberty play
was rather interresting!)
Team Shaolin will so kick their asses:o lin_socc er/
http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/sha
Surely it's cheaper and more intelligence-efficient to simply let humans such as Mike Owen and D Beckham play the game. Why waste all that intelligence when humans with virtually none can play the game well enough already?
Sure, as long as it doesn't rain! ;)
(just kidding)
"By 2050, our aim is to beat the winners of football's World Cup and we are very confident that we will be able to do that," said Shu Ishiguro, who heads Robot Laboratory in Osaka. "When we have accomplished that, we will have a society in which humans and artificial intelligence are completely in harmony." This quote shows that these scientists are obviously clueless, if he thinks the reaction of the fans in the stands will be completely harmonious when the robots beat their team. They'll burn every Toyota in the city.
Prove it now, or STFU
All the robots have to do is keep the ball moving at all times, and away from the human team, tiring them out until the last few minutes, then going for the win. They'll be able to compute the trajectory of the ball to never miss, track all players around them to avoid them, and have detailed dossiers on the playstyle of all players. Just run the humans into the ground, and once fatigue sets in, they have the upper hand. I easily see this happening in 5020! ;)
using a descendent of the 38cm tall VisiON...
at 38 cm tall, I think the VisiON is more likely to be kicked than it is to kick.
Schrodinger's cat is either dead or really pissed off...
I, for one, welcome our new soccer robot overlords.
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Or is this for a battlebot show?
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
I, for one, welcome our new AI soccer playing robot overlords.
Do these robot runs Linux?
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Aha! It's all perfectly clear now!
We don't have those promised 21st century-things *because* the brains that were to develop them got sidetracked while doing research - on the Internet!
If we kill the Internet I'm sure it won't be a decade before we have flying-car traffic jams all over downtown Luna Metro. Right?
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It was kind of an extrapolation, Brazil has the highest rate per capita of plastic surgery of any nation in the world. (I would link to some studies to back that up, but time is of the essence.)
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Bend It Like Bender....
Humans are genetically limited to the form of their anatomy - two arms, two legs, etc. Machines don't have this limitation, i.e., a team of millipedes.
I'm sure that a robot with ball possession and fast cpu can run around a team of people bounce the ball on the head, and no one can catch it. That won't make the robot intelligent since it's a far cry from ball bouncing to generic thought. A supervised training stint is all that is required to learn running, evasion, ball handling, goal scoring, goalkeeping.
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