Does anyone here actually use Netscape as their default browser?
Well, one of my friends got fed up with IE so I told her to switch to Mozilla. She couldn't get Realplayer or something to work with Mozilla, so she switched to Netscape and liked it better for some reason. Personally, everything works for me in Mozilla, but for non-geeks maybe Netscape offers an easier install (it installs all the plugins people want to use).
...you mean, you release beta software, then send out patch after patch until you get it reasonably fixed..just in time for the next version with all new bugs.
Recent grad, eh? Welcome to the world of software development. This is what the customers want, this is what they get.
like I've ever paid for any verion of windows I've ever had. Just as free as linux to me.
So you're a criminal? I used to be one, too, but free software changed all that. The people who illegally copy Microsoft software are just helping Microsoft dominate the PC market (though paying for it is much worse, I'll give you that). The more Windows PC's out there, the more people depend on those Windows PC's, the harder it is for anything else to have a chance.
If my 20+ year old Tandy 102 can last for 2 weeks on four AAs, why can't a new laptop go for 8 hours?
Ummm.. Well, my TI-85 can last for more than 2 weeks, but it isn't a laptop (though could be considered a "portable computer". You should consider getting a laptop with a small monochrome display, those tend to have better battery life.
Yeah, I guess it just depends on what you think is a long time. If you can buy a full-featured laptop for $100, will a desktop still be worth it if its $50? Though, I agree, I think desktops will always have some kind of advantage (though that advantage may become less important for the consumer market). Right now it is cost, upgradability, and room for many drives, etc.
But with laptops getting smaller and lighter, who wants a heavier bulkier machine that can run faster. Better off using a desktop if that's the way you want to go.
Anyone who has to travel a lot and uses their PCs for something that involves heavy CPU usage. And yes, there are plenty of people out there that require heavy CPU usage for the work that they do. Engineers are the obvious example...
I've just rebuilt an old PII-333 for someone - now THAT's a cool running chip. It's the later "Deschutes" 0.25 design, so it's basically an underclocked PII 450. No fan and it hardly gets warm.
I've got a P2-266 which is also very cool running. I don't know how it compares to the one you mentioned, but I can run it in extremely hot temperatures without stability problems (though I don't do anything with high CPU usage). I've often used it in a garage (no AC) during the summer when its like 95F outside, and it runs fine all day long. So I still value that old machine, even though I got an army of Durons and Athlons that could easilly take its place.
At the risk of feeding the house trolls, how does Linux "obviously" kick MS's ass on the server side?
At the risk of getting trolled here myself...
* Linux distros cost in the same order of magnitude now of what winows installations cost.
Umm.. When did Windows installation become free?
* Linux requires more expensive support personnel, which generally swamps the cost of the OS.
This is a myth. It may have been true during the dot-com boom, but these days even your experienced Linux/UNIX admin are cheap and ready to work right away.
* Microsoft offers a reasonably clear roadmap for the next five years for which a CIO can plan, Linux does not (before the knee-jerks respond: the fact that you don't read ms whitepapers doesn't mean that they dont exist).
This has very little to do with comparing two server operating systems.
* Giant websites run both Linux and Microsoft successfully. At the very least, it's not "obvious" that linux is better per se.
For running websites, Linux tends to be much easier to maintain. Yes, Linux is easier to use than Windows for many server tasks. This may come as a surprise to those who haven't used Linux much, but its true. And the admins who have experience in both Linux and Windows (and UNIX) will back me up on this.
I haven't seen any activity in any of the projects working on SVG. Really quite a shame. It's something that actually requires a good deal of expertise, so its unlikely we will see anything happen in the near future.
...of all the free alts out there for aol chatting ( and icq, and msn, and irc ), you use the AIM Client. You deserve what you get. ( psst: gaim, trillian )
The options under Linux are great, I use GAIM. But on Windows things aren't so great. GAIM under Windows is buggy, though this may be more of an issue with the GTK port. Trillian is bloated and buggy, maybe the pro version is better, but if the free version is that bad, it can't be worth the money. Though I admit, those are the only Windows options I've tried, there are other options that I haven't tried, but those seem to be the popular ones.
When I'm at work using Windows, I just use AOL's AIM client and strip out the ads. I have no problems with it, really.
Man, I see nerds as the strongest and smartest men who have ever lived. I see all this potential -- God damn it, an entire generation writing code and administering networks; they're slaves with white collars. Advertisements have them chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit they don't need. We are the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no great war, or great depression. Our great war is a ideological war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'll all be millionaires and movie gods and programming gurus -- but we won't. And we're learning slowly that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
What the hell are you talking about? What will happen if I fuck with you? I can do it all on my own...and so can about 10,000 other people out there who could care less about your crusade.
Chapters are sprouting in at least five or six other major cities already. This is tightly-regimented organization, with many cells capable of operating completely independent central leadership.
We write the software you use. We keep your systems up and running. We do your backups. We manage your data. We guard you while you sleep. Do NOT fuck with us!
Yeah, Vegas does the job for me. But I would really like to quit stealing from Sonic Foundry, and to have no piece of software forcing me to use Windows. Vegas and SoundForge are the only reasons I boot up Windows.
Yeah, I noticed this too on my cable connection. Google was responding real slow and I was like "what the fuck is the world coming to when Google becomes slow?!?" Now it makes more sense.
I know this is slashdot, but I have been very impressed with Win2k. It's fast, stable, and reliable.
I agree that Win2k is good enough for use. But that is only because I have used Win3.x/95/98 before. I've also seen people with WinME installed, 'nuff said.
I guess at the end of day it doesn't matter all that much, as long as the apps you are running work ok.
It may work great for you, but its nowhere near as smooth as in Windows. I'm not trolling here. The middle click copy/paste seems to work seperately from CTRL-C/CTRL-V or Shift-Ins. Sometimes neither method works. What, am I the only one who notices this? Am I missing something that makes it work smoother?
In Windows, you can have an application open a file dialog box, and you can copy/paste or cute/paste a file from that dialog box into a explorer window or even another file dialog box if you wanted to. Not sure if any of the toolkits for X work in this way, but I'm guessing not.
I'm pro-Linux, but I was just trying to come up with a valid complaint in response to the message I quoted. And he had a good point, lets look at the problems with Linux and other OSS, rather than ignoring them and acting like everything is perfect, so that maybe we can improve things. I'll gladly lend my time in finding and fixing these problems.
True enough, and I can't argue that. My 95% guess was probably wrong. But even then, for those given a choice, why IE? Where I work we have a choice, yet I still see IE heavilly used. I think some of the people have given the alternatives a try, and like them. Yet a lot stick with IE. One guy who is a developer, I walk by his office occasionally and I always see him in IE with popups all over the screen. If you're going to use IE, at least get a popup blocker and save yourself some effort.
Why don't we just bitch about Linux and its lack of unformity on standards and bad design and mess under the hood, lack of direction and so on. BUt no that may actually help get linux moving forward.
Is there anyone on Slashdot that hangs onto Windows for anything other than games?
A better question is why do people on Slashdot still hang onto IE? Windows I can understand, because many of us are at work when we are posting, but why IE? I would guess that 95% of the posters on here are using IE, and that doesn't even take into account the lurkers and people who only view the front page.
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Does anyone here actually use Netscape as their default browser?
Well, one of my friends got fed up with IE so I told her to switch to Mozilla. She couldn't get Realplayer or something to work with Mozilla, so she switched to Netscape and liked it better for some reason. Personally, everything works for me in Mozilla, but for non-geeks maybe Netscape offers an easier install (it installs all the plugins people want to use).
I do things quick and dirty, so I have plenty of time to post on Slashdot.
Recent grad, eh? Welcome to the world of software development. This is what the customers want, this is what they get.
like I've ever paid for any verion of windows I've ever had. Just as free as linux to me.
So you're a criminal? I used to be one, too, but free software changed all that. The people who illegally copy Microsoft software are just helping Microsoft dominate the PC market (though paying for it is much worse, I'll give you that). The more Windows PC's out there, the more people depend on those Windows PC's, the harder it is for anything else to have a chance.
If my 20+ year old Tandy 102 can last for 2 weeks on four AAs, why can't a new laptop go for 8 hours?
Ummm.. Well, my TI-85 can last for more than 2 weeks, but it isn't a laptop (though could be considered a "portable computer". You should consider getting a laptop with a small monochrome display, those tend to have better battery life.
Yeah, I guess it just depends on what you think is a long time. If you can buy a full-featured laptop for $100, will a desktop still be worth it if its $50? Though, I agree, I think desktops will always have some kind of advantage (though that advantage may become less important for the consumer market). Right now it is cost, upgradability, and room for many drives, etc.
But with laptops getting smaller and lighter, who wants a heavier bulkier machine that can run faster. Better off using a desktop if that's the way you want to go.
Anyone who has to travel a lot and uses their PCs for something that involves heavy CPU usage. And yes, there are plenty of people out there that require heavy CPU usage for the work that they do. Engineers are the obvious example...
I've just rebuilt an old PII-333 for someone - now THAT's a cool running chip. It's the later "Deschutes" 0.25 design, so it's basically an underclocked PII 450. No fan and it hardly gets warm.
I've got a P2-266 which is also very cool running. I don't know how it compares to the one you mentioned, but I can run it in extremely hot temperatures without stability problems (though I don't do anything with high CPU usage). I've often used it in a garage (no AC) during the summer when its like 95F outside, and it runs fine all day long. So I still value that old machine, even though I got an army of Durons and Athlons that could easilly take its place.
I like the fact that they actually use the extra space for a numeric pad on the keyboard, whereas the Toshiba just wastes the extra space.
At the risk of feeding the house trolls, how does Linux "obviously" kick MS's ass on the server side?
At the risk of getting trolled here myself...
* Linux distros cost in the same order of magnitude now of what winows installations cost.
Umm.. When did Windows installation become free?
* Linux requires more expensive support personnel, which generally swamps the cost of the OS.
This is a myth. It may have been true during the dot-com boom, but these days even your experienced Linux/UNIX admin are cheap and ready to work right away.
* Microsoft offers a reasonably clear roadmap for the next five years for which a CIO can plan, Linux does not (before the knee-jerks respond: the fact that you don't read ms whitepapers doesn't mean that they dont exist).
This has very little to do with comparing two server operating systems.
* Giant websites run both Linux and Microsoft successfully. At the very least, it's not "obvious" that linux is better per se.
For running websites, Linux tends to be much easier to maintain. Yes, Linux is easier to use than Windows for many server tasks. This may come as a surprise to those who haven't used Linux much, but its true. And the admins who have experience in both Linux and Windows (and UNIX) will back me up on this.
I haven't seen any activity in any of the projects working on SVG. Really quite a shame. It's something that actually requires a good deal of expertise, so its unlikely we will see anything happen in the near future.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 1.4 is the same as RC3. If a release candidate is acceptable for release, it becomes the release.
The options under Linux are great, I use GAIM. But on Windows things aren't so great. GAIM under Windows is buggy, though this may be more of an issue with the GTK port. Trillian is bloated and buggy, maybe the pro version is better, but if the free version is that bad, it can't be worth the money. Though I admit, those are the only Windows options I've tried, there are other options that I haven't tried, but those seem to be the popular ones.
When I'm at work using Windows, I just use AOL's AIM client and strip out the ads. I have no problems with it, really.
debe-ian or debb-ian? TIA
Debb-ian as in Debbie or Deborah.
The guy who started Debian named it after his wife Deborah...
Man, I see nerds as the strongest and smartest men who have ever lived. I see all this potential -- God damn it, an entire generation writing code and administering networks; they're slaves with white collars. Advertisements have them chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit they don't need. We are the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no great war, or great depression. Our great war is a ideological war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'll all be millionaires and movie gods and programming gurus -- but we won't. And we're learning slowly that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
What the hell are you talking about? What will happen if I fuck with you? I can do it all on my own...and so can about 10,000 other people out there who could care less about your crusade.
Chapters are sprouting in at least five or six other major cities already. This is tightly-regimented organization, with many cells capable of operating completely independent central leadership.
It's funny how much power nerds think they have.
We write the software you use. We keep your systems up and running. We do your backups. We manage your data. We guard you while you sleep. Do NOT fuck with us!
Yeah, Vegas does the job for me. But I would really like to quit stealing from Sonic Foundry, and to have no piece of software forcing me to use Windows. Vegas and SoundForge are the only reasons I boot up Windows.
Yeah, I noticed this too on my cable connection. Google was responding real slow and I was like "what the fuck is the world coming to when Google becomes slow?!?" Now it makes more sense.
It is kind of sad to see Linux kernel series 1.99 go.
Well, maybe so, but I can drop in 2.4.20 without my operating system changing.
I know this is slashdot, but I have been very impressed with Win2k. It's fast, stable, and reliable.
I agree that Win2k is good enough for use. But that is only because I have used Win3.x/95/98 before. I've also seen people with WinME installed, 'nuff said.
I guess at the end of day it doesn't matter all that much, as long as the apps you are running work ok.
It may work great for you, but its nowhere near as smooth as in Windows. I'm not trolling here. The middle click copy/paste seems to work seperately from CTRL-C/CTRL-V or Shift-Ins. Sometimes neither method works. What, am I the only one who notices this? Am I missing something that makes it work smoother?
In Windows, you can have an application open a file dialog box, and you can copy/paste or cute/paste a file from that dialog box into a explorer window or even another file dialog box if you wanted to. Not sure if any of the toolkits for X work in this way, but I'm guessing not.
I'm pro-Linux, but I was just trying to come up with a valid complaint in response to the message I quoted. And he had a good point, lets look at the problems with Linux and other OSS, rather than ignoring them and acting like everything is perfect, so that maybe we can improve things. I'll gladly lend my time in finding and fixing these problems.
True enough, and I can't argue that. My 95% guess was probably wrong. But even then, for those given a choice, why IE? Where I work we have a choice, yet I still see IE heavilly used. I think some of the people have given the alternatives a try, and like them. Yet a lot stick with IE. One guy who is a developer, I walk by his office occasionally and I always see him in IE with popups all over the screen. If you're going to use IE, at least get a popup blocker and save yourself some effort.
Why don't we just bitch about Linux and its lack of unformity on standards and bad design and mess under the hood, lack of direction and so on. BUt no that may actually help get linux moving forward.
Fucking copy/paste in X is a piece of shit!
Is there anyone on Slashdot that hangs onto Windows for anything other than games?
A better question is why do people on Slashdot still hang onto IE? Windows I can understand, because many of us are at work when we are posting, but why IE? I would guess that 95% of the posters on here are using IE, and that doesn't even take into account the lurkers and people who only view the front page.