I like how someone who didn't read the article itself has the balls to dismiss it. Well I read the thing and I'm still trying to figure it out myself. However he might be right.
Second, who cares about his qualifications, I know one thing genius and insight don't need qualifications. You know a lot of those PhDs are pretty smart but in reality all you need for a PhD is to be a really good student. And at times they can be ignorant of someone who is probably 'smarter' then themselves but not as good a student. Seriously I think there is some sort of disorder a lot of professionals in academia have, which can be summed up in that they make emotional connections to the truth-values of their own work and ideas. But really their objectives should be to find the truth not guard and protect their own ideas.
The truth is in the proof my friend so maybe before you make judgements about someone's work, read it and think about it.
David Chalmers is a respectable philosopher and the reasons why he would write an article on the Matrix is obvious. That article he wrote on the matrix website will be read by more people then most of his works, combined. However if you want some real philosophy pick up his anthology of articles about the Philosophy of Mind, 2002.
See I'm just tired of people who think they can do philosophy just because they watched the Matrix and thought how cool it was. And when I'm in class I don't want to hear 'well thats like the Matrix' over and over again. Read some real goddamn books.
Boring to the vast majority of people that reside in this world. Do I find philosophy boring? No, some of it I like a lot. Yet I can't say I find everything in philosophy exciting... just like everything else in this world there are things that appeal to certain types of people. For example I think aesthetics is pretty damn boring and worthless. But whatever some people like it. I like baseball and a lot people say thats pretty damn boring.
Summarize Wittgenstein's "Tractatus", and I'll read it. If you can't summarize it, then you really have missed the point--plus it's probably a bad book.
How lazy can you be... jesus christ. You probably don't even know who Wittgenstein is and somehow you make claims about knowing philosophy. Philosophy is a practice and its very much like building a rocket. Its building a system of thought through logic. Maybe you think you can just make claims without proper backing and this is philosophy... well you'd be dead wrong.
well then that seperates me from you. I'm trying to do something with philosophy and accomplish something. You can sit there and love philosophy all you want... just get a goddamn room funboy.
No its junk food. Its junk food because it doesnt fulfill the requirements of intellectual thought with a set of premises, argument and a conclusion. Its just random lines with some philosophical connotations wrapped around it. Great to eat but not to be taken seriously.
Its one thing to break down philosophy into simple terms so its accessible but its another thing to disregard the philosophical tradition of argument and just say stuff that sounds deep.
On the other hand there are idiots that exist that fool people into thinking their philosophy is worthwhile and worthwhile enough for research grants. Like Nick Bolstrom.
I never said the Matrix wasn't meaningful... no its actually full of meaning. My argument was that its not to be taken seriously. I mean its great to think about on a rainy Sunday day and muse about with your friends. Yet its just that.. musings.
I get angry when I talk to people who claim to do philosophy or know anything about it and all they read was 10 pages of Nietzsche.
The reason why philosophy is "boring, arduous, difficult to read and difficult to understand" results from real philosophy being real fucking hard. I just get really angry when some foolio can claim to know anything about philosophy when he spends very little time with it. I mean I can spend hours on 2-3 pages of work trying to figure it out. Claims about philosophy being easy just undercut the work I try to do.
Sure there is work out there for the general public to consume and fulfill their own philosophical needs. But my needs are that of intense, hard, arduous writing that I have to puzzle about just to grasp it. Its like someone claiming to be a musician since they can play some Metallica song on their guitar while someone else can play Beethoven on the piano. There are just levels of expertise that are related to strength in the field.
well I like philosophy.. thats why i'm a philosophy major but I'd have to admit its pretty damn boring at least boring to the majority of people who can read. I'm sure there are some good books out there with some great philosophical connotations but I'm not sure if it's 'real' philosophy or not. By real I mean real academic philosophy that people get paid to teach or write papers about. Then I'm really starting a debate on what 'real' philosophy is.. which is futile.
However for all those out there who think philosophy is the greatest thing since slice bread I suggest reading Wittgenstein's Investigations or Saul Kripke's Naming and Necessity. Great works and some serious philosophy. Also read up on some logic.
Heh you should rethink your premise.. that the Matrix is the same level of art as Shakespeare... Beethoven, JS Bach, Plato, Aristotle,... etc. Sure I love the Matrix, its a great movie but I think its pop-culture art not art like Shakespeare.
The Matrix and its philosophical connotations I like to compare to candy or junk food. It tastes good and its fun to eat but its not really filling and too much of it makes you sick.
Real philosophy is boring, arduous, difficult to read and difficult to understand. The Matrix cuts down philosophy in small tasty bites easy to digest and easy to understand. Yet you shouldn't take the Matrix seriously. You have to understand its just a movie and really its there to entertain you. Its not there to show you that reality is an illusion therefore you should quit your job and try to jump off buildings.
There is nothing wrong with suspending yourself from reality and enjoying some good tasty philosophical junk food. But it's dangerous to never come back from that suspension.
My major problem with philosophy is that most of the time it doesn't solve anything. The second thing is that most philosophy professors think they are real philosophers and act like tweed jacket wearing know-it-alls.
How many philosophy papers nowadays do you see that are collaborations between 2 or more philosophers? Very few. Philosophy have become a lone art done by professional students who think they are right no matter what. How many Philosophy departments have colloquiums? Very few mainly because philosophers value their own opinions and ideas so much they can barely talk to each other without it coming to fisticuffs. In Philosophy there is simply no way to determine a philosophical truth. Unlike mathematics the truth is in the proof, if you are wrong you admit it and get on with your life. Amaziningly you can actually learn from your mistakes. Well in Philosophy even if you are wrong you still think you are right. Philosophy is a dead end game and thats why its dying.
By the way I'd argue the very little progess philosophy has made in the past 50 years is because of logic. Philosophers like Carnap and Kripke have added huge amounts of work to the field of logic. And logic as become more and more mathematical in nature.
who doesnt know wtf he's talking about....and no this isnt a flame. It is a challenge to the author to go into detail about his account and not generalize. Also to go further then just what's explained on the back cover of BGE.
that using the same shuttle over and over again is probably not a good idea. I can only hope NASA will make this case and push for more funding. Hell, I wouldnt mind if they made argument that terrorism was the cause so they COULD get more funding.
See the Super Bowl for me is supposed to be about football and the ads are a plus but not the main attraction. There is just something unsettling about watching a major broadcast event for not its content but for the commercials wrapped around it. It just seems very manipulative and evil. To tell you the truth I wish they had less ads, if you have ever been to a NFL game the tv time outs are ridiculous. Most of the time you sit there waiting for the play to start.
Efnet had the same problems awhile ago and people wondered if Efnet could ever recover. But the script kiddies behind the attacks hit puberty and started shaving and liking girls. So the same shit will probably happen to DALnet. But DALnet sucks anyway so its Efnet for life.
to doing something because you loved it. All you could think about was solving the next problem or thinking of something new and exciting. God damnit, there are some more important things in life then buying a new Lexus. I might be poor but at least I'm not poor of mind.
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if p and q are rational numbers then p/q is rational.
1/3 is rational but 0.333.... is not
decimals are different then integers.
ahhh jeeze.
1. first you apply rational analysis to an irrational number but whatever.
x = 0.9999....
lim x = 1
x -> 1
lim 10x = 10
lets supposed x = 0.999
thefore 10x = 9.99
10x - x = 8.991
now again x = 0.9999...
10x = 9.9999....
10x - x = 8.999....1
the infinite series of 9s is reduced by one when you multiply it by 10. it is a common misconception that all infinites are equal, this is not true.
let x = 0.9999... where n is the number of decimal places.
x to the n places * 10 = x to the n - 1 places
proof
let n = 3
0.999 * 10 = 9.99
n = 2
let n = inf
0.9999.... * 10 = 9.9999....
n = inf - 1
lim n = inf
n -> inf
lim n - 1 = inf
n -> inf
thats not cool CmdrTaco to talk shit about Cowboy Neal behind his back.
I like how someone who didn't read the article itself has the balls to dismiss it. Well I read the thing and I'm still trying to figure it out myself. However he might be right.
Second, who cares about his qualifications, I know one thing genius and insight don't need qualifications. You know a lot of those PhDs are pretty smart but in reality all you need for a PhD is to be a really good student. And at times they can be ignorant of someone who is probably 'smarter' then themselves but not as good a student. Seriously I think there is some sort of disorder a lot of professionals in academia have, which can be summed up in that they make emotional connections to the truth-values of their own work and ideas. But really their objectives should be to find the truth not guard and protect their own ideas.
The truth is in the proof my friend so maybe before you make judgements about someone's work, read it and think about it.
David Chalmers is a respectable philosopher and the reasons why he would write an article on the Matrix is obvious. That article he wrote on the matrix website will be read by more people then most of his works, combined. However if you want some real philosophy pick up his anthology of articles about the Philosophy of Mind, 2002.
See I'm just tired of people who think they can do philosophy just because they watched the Matrix and thought how cool it was. And when I'm in class I don't want to hear 'well thats like the Matrix' over and over again. Read some real goddamn books.
Boring to the vast majority of people that reside in this world. Do I find philosophy boring? No, some of it I like a lot. Yet I can't say I find everything in philosophy exciting... just like everything else in this world there are things that appeal to certain types of people. For example I think aesthetics is pretty damn boring and worthless. But whatever some people like it. I like baseball and a lot people say thats pretty damn boring.
I love you DShard. At least you got something right.
well thats your opinion and an opinion from someone who knows very little about philosophy... so little that he can barely spell it.
yeah and most of the time it blows up in your face... what human endeavor isnt like that?
Summarize Wittgenstein's "Tractatus", and I'll read it. If you can't summarize it, then you really have missed the point--plus it's probably a bad book.
How lazy can you be... jesus christ. You probably don't even know who Wittgenstein is and somehow you make claims about knowing philosophy. Philosophy is a practice and its very much like building a rocket. Its building a system of thought through logic. Maybe you think you can just make claims without proper backing and this is philosophy... well you'd be dead wrong.
well then that seperates me from you. I'm trying to do something with philosophy and accomplish something. You can sit there and love philosophy all you want... just get a goddamn room funboy.
No its junk food. Its junk food because it doesnt fulfill the requirements of intellectual thought with a set of premises, argument and a conclusion. Its just random lines with some philosophical connotations wrapped around it. Great to eat but not to be taken seriously.
Its one thing to break down philosophy into simple terms so its accessible but its another thing to disregard the philosophical tradition of argument and just say stuff that sounds deep.
On the other hand there are idiots that exist that fool people into thinking their philosophy is worthwhile and worthwhile enough for research grants. Like Nick Bolstrom.
I never said the Matrix wasn't meaningful... no its actually full of meaning. My argument was that its not to be taken seriously. I mean its great to think about on a rainy Sunday day and muse about with your friends. Yet its just that.. musings.
I get angry when I talk to people who claim to do philosophy or know anything about it and all they read was 10 pages of Nietzsche.
The reason why philosophy is "boring, arduous, difficult to read and difficult to understand" results from real philosophy being real fucking hard. I just get really angry when some foolio can claim to know anything about philosophy when he spends very little time with it. I mean I can spend hours on 2-3 pages of work trying to figure it out. Claims about philosophy being easy just undercut the work I try to do.
Sure there is work out there for the general public to consume and fulfill their own philosophical needs. But my needs are that of intense, hard, arduous writing that I have to puzzle about just to grasp it. Its like someone claiming to be a musician since they can play some Metallica song on their guitar while someone else can play Beethoven on the piano. There are just levels of expertise that are related to strength in the field.
well I like philosophy.. thats why i'm a philosophy major but I'd have to admit its pretty damn boring at least boring to the majority of people who can read. I'm sure there are some good books out there with some great philosophical connotations but I'm not sure if it's 'real' philosophy or not. By real I mean real academic philosophy that people get paid to teach or write papers about. Then I'm really starting a debate on what 'real' philosophy is.. which is futile.
However for all those out there who think philosophy is the greatest thing since slice bread I suggest reading Wittgenstein's Investigations or Saul Kripke's Naming and Necessity. Great works and some serious philosophy. Also read up on some logic.
Heh you should rethink your premise.. that the Matrix is the same level of art as Shakespeare... Beethoven, JS Bach, Plato, Aristotle, ... etc. Sure I love the Matrix, its a great movie but I think its pop-culture art not art like Shakespeare.
The Matrix and its philosophical connotations I like to compare to candy or junk food. It tastes good and its fun to eat but its not really filling and too much of it makes you sick.
Real philosophy is boring, arduous, difficult to read and difficult to understand. The Matrix cuts down philosophy in small tasty bites easy to digest and easy to understand. Yet you shouldn't take the Matrix seriously. You have to understand its just a movie and really its there to entertain you. Its not there to show you that reality is an illusion therefore you should quit your job and try to jump off buildings.
There is nothing wrong with suspending yourself from reality and enjoying some good tasty philosophical junk food. But it's dangerous to never come back from that suspension.
My major problem with philosophy is that most of the time it doesn't solve anything. The second thing is that most philosophy professors think they are real philosophers and act like tweed jacket wearing know-it-alls.
How many philosophy papers nowadays do you see that are collaborations between 2 or more philosophers? Very few. Philosophy have become a lone art done by professional students who think they are right no matter what. How many Philosophy departments have colloquiums? Very few mainly because philosophers value their own opinions and ideas so much they can barely talk to each other without it coming to fisticuffs. In Philosophy there is simply no way to determine a philosophical truth. Unlike mathematics the truth is in the proof, if you are wrong you admit it and get on with your life. Amaziningly you can actually learn from your mistakes. Well in Philosophy even if you are wrong you still think you are right. Philosophy is a dead end game and thats why its dying.
By the way I'd argue the very little progess philosophy has made in the past 50 years is because of logic. Philosophers like Carnap and Kripke have added huge amounts of work to the field of logic. And logic as become more and more mathematical in nature.
damn right, real philosophy is boring and a waste of time. believe me i know i'm a goddamn philosophy major.
who doesnt know wtf he's talking about....and no this isnt a flame. It is a challenge to the author to go into detail about his account and not generalize. Also to go further then just what's explained on the back cover of BGE.
philosophers think they are god and then they claim "I don't exist".
that using the same shuttle over and over again is probably not a good idea. I can only hope NASA will make this case and push for more funding. Hell, I wouldnt mind if they made argument that terrorism was the cause so they COULD get more funding.
See the Super Bowl for me is supposed to be about football and the ads are a plus but not the main attraction. There is just something unsettling about watching a major broadcast event for not its content but for the commercials wrapped around it. It just seems very manipulative and evil. To tell you the truth I wish they had less ads, if you have ever been to a NFL game the tv time outs are ridiculous. Most of the time you sit there waiting for the play to start.
Efnet had the same problems awhile ago and people wondered if Efnet could ever recover. But the script kiddies behind the attacks hit puberty and started shaving and liking girls. So the same shit will probably happen to DALnet. But DALnet sucks anyway so its Efnet for life.
to doing something because you loved it. All you could think about was solving the next problem or thinking of something new and exciting. God damnit, there are some more important things in life then buying a new Lexus. I might be poor but at least I'm not poor of mind.