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Holographic Keypads Float Into View

prostoalex writes "The New York Times tells the story of a Connecticut-based company called HoloTouch that is developing input devices that literally "float in the air". The technology will be licensed for information kiosks in New York city. Some other sample applications are available from the company's Web site. HoloTouch already managed to secure the patent on its technology."

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  1. Disturbing developments by Dan+Rather · · Score: 2, Funny
    The CEO of International Bomb Corporation dropped a bombshell today, causing an explosion of controversy.

    And that's .. part of our world.

  2. Floating in air... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't it hard enough surfing for porn with one hand already?

    1. Re:Floating in air... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With this technology, you could use your pecker as a pointer. Hands-free porn surfing might become all the rage. As long as the shrinkage problem can be addressed and carpal pelvis syndrome can be avoided, this could become huge.

    2. Re:Floating in air... by grassy_knoll · · Score: 3, Funny

      porn... well, that explain why everyone keeps posting about tactile feedback.

    3. Re:Floating in air... by Ninja+Master+Gara · · Score: 1

      It's only a matter of time before there are masters of this projected input device and they discover they can using any "pointing device".

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    4. Re:Floating in air... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it hard enough surfing for porn with one hand already?

      With a holographic keyboard, you may not need either hand to surf for porn.

    5. Re:Floating in air... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget the one hand stuff -- will this thing project onto a nearby set of boobs?

  3. HoloTouch President and founder R. Douglas McPhete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see where I'm supposed to poke this hologram.

  4. Different Uses... by mattyohe · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Hopefully the porn industry latches onto this technology.

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    1. Re:Different Uses... by Th3_Pr0ph3t · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, it has already started happening.

      I was watching TV and it was either The Learning Channel or Discovery where they did a special on sex. They had some various interviews. In one of them, there was a company that was designing a special body suit that you can wear and experience all the feelings of having sex without actually doing it. They went on to say that people would be able to have cyber sex, rent dvds, or even use another mentioned piece of technology to feel sex.

      This other technology was a box about the size of a VCR and displayed holographic images. You could pop in a DVD and have a holograph of a woman in front of you while wearing the suit.

      It was a pretty interesting special none the less.

  5. Too easy by Faust7 · · Score: 1

    input devices that literally "float in the air".

    No comment. None at all.

    1. Re:Too easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right Georgey.. they all float..

      -IT

    2. Re:Too easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't say anything. Instead, I will relax and take a deep breath of fresh vapor.

  6. Whatever by ryanvm · · Score: 0, Insightful

    HoloTouch already managed to secure the patent on its technology.

    Jeebus - if it's not Microsoft bashing, it's the "all patents are evil" nonsense. Is there a template for Slashdot submissions or what?

    1. Re:Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother. I personally am sick to tears of people slamming Stalin and Hitler all the time too. Is there some kind of template at work there as well you think?

      Or is it simply calling a spade a spade.

  7. Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by Thinkit3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about hexadecimal and dvorak (or other more efficient layouts)? Let's transition there first.

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    1. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by Dr.+Shim · · Score: 1

      But... I wanna make it float!!!

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    2. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by cmeans · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Technology like this would probably help to provide greater options for keyboard layouts. Instead of having to have a "hard" keyboard attached to the device, with tech. like this, the user could select from a list of options.

      Seems like a step in the right direction to me.

      Now we'll just need to get the tactile feel right :)

    3. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 0

      Tactile is no problem. We just need HUGE magnets.

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    4. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "What about hexadecimal and dvorak (or other more efficient layouts)? Let's transition there first. "

      Yeah, let's move the buttons around on the keyboard before we give people tactile-less keybords!

      Seriously, though, I don't see why we need to transition to antyhing first. Qwerty is defacto and nobody is complaining about it.

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    5. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously he is.

    6. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

      the only problem i see: it's just IP company with no actual product... do you see the light ? these images are FAKE ... all they have is their website.

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    7. Re:Still using decimal and QWERTY though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What about hexadecimal and dvorak (or other more efficient layouts)? Let's transition there first.

      Google Dvorak and find out about the wobbly evidence (and how it was collected) for the speed achievements. Too much of the research was heavily influenced by Dvorak himself.

  8. Douglas McPheters' HEAD by dogas · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know about you, but the first thing I did when I got to that page was download the gigantic 500k image of the Holotouch president's gigantic yellow-toothed bald HEAD. Talk about putting a pretty face on the industry! yeah...

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    1. Re:Douglas McPheters' HEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah he is quite the pilgarlic.

    2. Re:Douglas McPheters' HEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop using $3 words please.

    3. Re:Douglas McPheters' HEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you'd think that they would use the HoloTouch to clean his teeth and give him a full head of hair.

    4. Re:Douglas McPheters' HEAD by shekondar · · Score: 1

      When I saw that picture, I couldn't stop thinking about how much he looks like this guy...

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  9. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One step closer to being able to operate a computer like Tom Cruise in Minority Report.

    1. Re:Great... by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny
      too bad Tom Cruise isn't one step closer to being able to act.

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    2. Re:Great... by porp · · Score: 1

      guess you've never seen Risky Business, Born on the Fourth of July, Interview with the Vampire, Eyes Wide Shut, or Magnolia... if movies like Legend, Cocktail, Top Gun, Days of Thunder, and of course, the classic All the Right Moves never existed, one might think Tom Cruise is a great actor

      porp

  10. Sweeeeet... by manduwok · · Score: 1

    Pretty spiffy if you ask me... I always thought the holographic technology in Minority Report was phatty...

  11. Future tech... by bytesmythe · · Score: 1

    This sounds similar to the devices that were used in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I have been anxiously awaiting these sorts of gadgets ever since seeing that movie. With a few extra advances in holographic technology this could lead to input devices that a perfectly tailored to your body shape and preferences.

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    1. Re:Future tech... by worst_name_ever · · Score: 1
      With a few extra advances in holographic technology this could lead to input devices that a perfectly tailored to your body shape and preferences.

      And with a few extra advances in holographic pr0n technology, it could also lead to input devices that are perfectly tailored to your body shape preferences...

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    2. Re:Future tech... by Zzootnik · · Score: 1

      Damn--- I'm glad I'm not the only one who's waiting for the tech from that movie...Unlike some of the other parts of it, that part seemed quite feasable and "coming soon" ish...

      Put that kind of a holo-interface on a computer gauntlet, then run it off the blood-batteries from that other recent article, and you're set! Instant portable go-anywhere computer...Or optionally, modern-day illusionist...Imagine what you could do with an instantly accessable hologram generator powered by a really fast (whatever is probably 5 computer generations away now)....

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  12. real, or just killing real invention? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    already managed to secure the patent

    But have they really been able to build one, or are they just patenting the idea with hopes someone else will and they they can sue and get rich? I see nothing on their website (other than very obviously mocked up fake pictures) or in the patent that says they really know how to do this.

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    1. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by saddino · · Score: 3, Informative

      I see nothing on their website (other than very obviously mocked up fake pictures) or in the patent that says they really know how to do this.

      Huh? Their patent appears to explain exactly how to do this (hint: see the "DETAILED DESCRIPTION" section).

    2. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      You might want to re-read the article more carefully. The "invention" is a good deal less exciting than you would expect. I interpreted it as a hologram-generation technology too, when I first read it. However:

      Under his system, a holographic keypad begins with a holographic image of a real keypad, recorded by lasers on photographic film. This image is mounted on a plastic plate, which has infrared sensors behind it that can detect when the keypad is manipulated. When a light behind the plate is activated, the image appears to hover in front of it.

      It's just a plain-vanilla hologram with some sensors to tell when you're finger would be sticking through it.
    3. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Informative
      Huh? Their patent appears to explain exactly how to do this (hint: see the "DETAILED DESCRIPTION" section).

      Been there, read that. OK, maybe I just don't get it, but you tell me how The holographic image generator 200 actually manages to display a real time changing holographic image and then I'll accept that they have something. I just don't see anything in the patent or on their website that says they can really do this.

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    4. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by saddino · · Score: 3, Interesting

      tell me how The holographic image generator 200 actually manages to display a real time changing holographic image

      Good question, but that's not the issue. People seem to be believe this company has invented a new type of holographic technology -- they haven't. What they've done is invented a method to accept tactile-less input from a hologram, regardless of the holographic techonology. That's why the images are fakes.

      What this company needs now is a partner who has some good holographic technology in the works.

    5. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by ash_uofc · · Score: 1

      If you continue to read the patent, and actually select images, you can see what seems to be the scan of the actual patent you can see the schematics and such. Not that this necessarily means anything, but it suggests that their idea is legitimate, rather than a get-rich-in-the-future-scheme.

    6. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gotcher prior art RIGHT HERE, baby! ;)

    7. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by Shoten · · Score: 1

      You're a useless little puke, aren't you? :) The hard part of this equation is not detecting the fingers interacting with the hologram. The hard part is generating a free-standing hologram without any physical component (like a collimator). They don't give a shred of information as to how they accomplish that heretofore impossible feat, and the obvious photoshop-generated nature of their pictures only throw the whole thing into greater question.

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    8. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by Suidae · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, if you read the article, it describes how they take a standard film based hologram and mount it on a piece of clear plastic and then put what amounts to an IR grid above it to detect finger placement.

      This is NOT real-time holography, or 'floating in mid-air with no box behind it' holography (as the images on the website show). There is one image of they guys laptop with the device attached.

      Its still a cool idea because it would be completely spill proof and have no mechanical wear. I can see something like this being popular in industrial applications where component wear or material spills could be an issue. And it should be reasonably cheap too, because its basicly a piece of plexiglass with some IR LEDs and sensors.

    9. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by saddino · · Score: 1

      They don't give a shred of information as to how they accomplish that heretofore impossible feat

      Which is exactly why their patent has nothing to do with a free-standing hologram. Their patent has to do with the, as you stated, the "unhard" part of the equation.

    10. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great, it looks cool. But I won't be really impressed until they can do it *with* tactile input.

      I had a little think about that, and I wonder if an small targeted electric/static charge could be used to simulate a touch sensation, or perhaps find a way to manipulate water vapour (or something else?) in the air - eg flash freeze a very thin layer just before finger "contact". I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but there must be a way of doing it...

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    11. Re:real, or just killing real invention? by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the tactile feedback is on one of these.

  13. sounds cool enough by mblase · · Score: 1

    The pictures are too obviously Photoshopped, though, so it's not like this is how the implementation will actually look. I'm rather disappointed that such a snazzy technology couldn't include a few photos of the actual product in action.

    1. Re:sounds cool enough by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You cant photograph a hologram, nor can you see it with only one eye.

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    2. Re:sounds cool enough by Ominous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why not? Your eyes act as two high-res cameras, so how could you see it, but a mechanical camera could not? Perhaps it wouldn't have the right dimensions through a single camera, but it wouldn't be invisible to a single camera while magically visible to a pair of cameras connected via a bit of wetware.

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    3. Re:sounds cool enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't a stereoscopic camera handle taking the photograph?

      I don't know, I am merely asking. I would imagine a two lense camera capable of steroscopic vision could take the photo.

  14. vapor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it's still vaporware.. hold your horses folks. the provided images are obvious hacks.

  15. Re:Whatever and ever amen by diospadre · · Score: 1

    Seems less like trolling and more like random filler material to me.

  16. Holo-hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a holo-hand that gives you a holo-handjob? Sex always leads the way with new technology.

  17. look before leap by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, but what if you only have one eye? You can't see a hologram with only one eye. There's a whole bag of "this is not handicap accessible" with their name on it.

    Not to mention, I like command line consoles. I guess its just that old style charm. I think I prefer plain old buttons under my fingers too. Maybe you could learn to type fast on a hologram, but with no physical feedback, it seems like it would be a royal pain to type at any great speed.

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    1. Re:look before leap by saskwach · · Score: 1

      Information kiosks aren't for fast typing, they're for showiness. I seriously doubt anyone will want a hologram for a keyboard in common use.

    2. Re:look before leap by cmeans · · Score: 1
      You're right. People with low vision (blind) would also not seem to be in the market for this sort of device either. However, not every device has to work well (or at all) for everyone.

      There are ways however that this technology could still be used for people with vision disabilities, by having a tone sound until their hands are "correctly" positioned over the home keys, for instance. Then a unique tone, or sounding out of the letters as they're "pressed".

      Of course, if the output is only on a screen, this segment of the population is excluded from the start anyway.

    3. Re:look before leap by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh... people with only one eye can't see the 3D aspect of a hologram. They can see a 2D picture just fine.

      If they move their head, then they can see the 3d aspect as well.

      One eyed folks will do just fine here.

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    4. Re:look before leap by loucura! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only problem, is security, if it's sending out a unique tone for each keypress, then to get username/password pairs, all you'll is a tape recorder, you could do it from far away too, with a uni-directional shotgun mic. That would be a bad thing.

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    5. Re:look before leap by Santos+L.+Halper · · Score: 2, Funny

      On the upside, however, it would solve the problem of spilling Mountain Dew on the keyboard.

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    6. Re:look before leap by cmeans · · Score: 1
      True, but then accessing a secure system via a public terminal isn't generally a good idea either.

      Especially if you're vision impaired and can't tell if someone is "looking-over-your-shoulder".

    7. Re:look before leap by cheeseSource · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not sure that's quite right. I only have one eye and I've been able to see any holos I've looked at it's that damned 3D that I can't get past....

      Still, it's the tactile feel of the keyboard that would be hard to move away from.

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    8. Re:look before leap by merlin_jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can't see a hologram with only one eye

      Poppy cock. Of course you can see a hologram with only one eye!

      You just can't see a stereoscopic vision allowing you to definitely position the object in three dimensional space. But the eyes use other cues than stereoscopic vision to determine position, cues like parallax and brightness, as well as ocular focus.

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    9. Re:look before leap by gilmour14 · · Score: 1

      Then again, a regular old monitor doesn't work too well for a blind person either.

    10. Re:look before leap by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "Not to mention, I like command line consoles. I guess its just that old style charm. I think I prefer plain old buttons under my fingers too. "

      Who said the intention here was to replace every keyboard with it? It's another display / input technology. No need to touch anything so nothing gets worn down. Also, because of the technique used to project it, it has a unique look you can spot rather easily.

      It's a new type of doohickey that some places will find useful. Kiosks come to mind. Microsoft's not going to come out with a keyboard based on it and make everybody use it.

    11. Re:look before leap by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 2, Informative

      You just can't see a stereoscopic vision allowing you to definitely position the object in three dimensional space. But the eyes use other cues than stereoscopic vision to determine position, cues like parallax and brightness, as well as ocular focus.


      Yeah, but these holograms are projected from a reasonably small screen, so they probably use stereoscopic separation to produce the holographic keypad. Without stereoscopic cues, I think you'd have quite a hard time trying to find the intersection of the projected image and the imaginary view plane. Even if you could do it, it would be far from useful.

      The brightness of an object may help a little in the holo keypad, but not much. And the only way to acheive paralax would be to swing your head in circles while looking at the keypad. I doubt anyone wants to pull up to an ATM and do a "You go girl" head movement to see the keypad while the cars behind look on. Anyway, these cues are usually backup cues for stereoscopic separation.

      I don't think this is a HUGE issue. I'm just pointing out details.

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    12. Re:look before leap by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but these holograms are projected from a reasonably small screen, so they probably use stereoscopic separation to produce the holographic keypad.

      Actually, the patent as written doesn't work. The patent indicates they are using traditional film holography, which cannot be projected from a small screen. For a discussion about the subject, see this post.

      I'm not saying this display would be extremely useable for a one-eyed person; I know from experience it would not. While I am still blessed with two working eyes, they have significantly different attributes and my vision without corrective optics is almost entirely two dimensional. All the same, I can see the image, which the original poster averred would not be the case.

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    13. Re:look before leap by salm · · Score: 1

      Whereas I admit accessibility is an issue, there is no problem seeing a hologram with only one eye.
      The only drawback is that with one eye you don't get the 3D effect without moving your head ('kinematic depth'). Consider the beer glass I have in front of me. Even with a hand over one eye I can look around the glass to get the full 3D sensation. (Oh, now I'm getting dizzy).

      This seems to be a technology with a set of useful applications (kiosks, mobile computing etc.) but it is unlikely to supplant our keyboard and mouse combination soon. Of course, keyboard, mouse and screen have their own accessibility issues.

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    14. Re:look before leap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There's a whole bag of "this is not handicap accessible" with their name on it.

      Not to be crude, but if handicapped people can't handle the G-forces required for a trip to the moon, that doesn't mean everyone else has to stay home. Let's stop this stupid insistence that anything "non-accessible" had to be forbidden to all.

      Having had some experience with the deaf community, I can guarantee you some of them would rather by far that we worked on helping them find jobs with dignity or even affordable basic housing than pissing away a lot of time keeping conveniences from others.

      I'm reminded of the joke about three different eastern European countries with different attitudes toward envy. Each prayed in his own way for justice. The last guy prayed, "God, my neighbor has three goats and I have none. Please kill my neighbor's goats."

    15. Re:look before leap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not really... all your images would turn out yellowish and all distorted.

    16. Re:look before leap by pyrote · · Score: 1

      thats what tactile feedback gloves are for... a small set of piezo actuators located at the tips of the fingers that fire when you make 'contact' with the surface. heck you can add a light to those circuts to make the recognition level higher for chording. hmm, I saw this once... oh ya, minority report.

      that was supposed to be 50 years off... gotta love technology

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  18. slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And so the CEO discovers the consequences of posting a 450k jpeg of himself.

  19. One good application by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't be the only one that thinks holographic keyboards would be a great idea for public computers, just so we needn't worry about the disgusting pub-funk that seems to coat most public keyboards.

    1. Re:One good application by andyrut · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't be the only one that thinks holographic keyboards would be a great idea for public computers, just so we needn't worry about the disgusting pub-funk that seems to coat most public keyboards.

      Instead you'll have to worry about the disgusting grunge that literally "floats in the air". :)

    2. Re:One good application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I originally read that as "pube funk" and wondered where one would find porn kiosks -- then I slapped my forehead, "Japan! Duh!"

    3. Re:One good application by wickedj · · Score: 1

      Who spilt SARS all over my keyboard???

  20. USPTO USPOT? USOPT? by Jonsey · · Score: 1

    hmm.

    HoloTouch already managed to secure the patent on its technology.

    You mean, real devices, with physical implications, (semi-)practical uses, and no Prior Art can be patented? :: Grin ::

    We are hard on the US patent office here @ /. It's nice to know that they issue patents for things that rightfully deserve patenting too.

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  21. Gene Roddenberry strikes, again by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the GR show, Earth:Final Conflict, where they fly spacecraft via interactive holographic display panels. I find this another funny way in which GR 'predicted' technology (although I am sure it is possible it appeared elsewhere earlier.. I just happened to catch it in EFC).

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    1. Re:Gene Roddenberry strikes, again by CrowScape · · Score: 1

      The concept was quite prevalent in Japanese Anime. For instance, E:FC came out in '97, by then Washu had been using her holographic interface in Tenchi for five years. E:FC just had fancy CGI to show it off.

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  22. Is that legit? by Mathonwy · · Score: 1

    I know companies have been known to do it... but... I thought part of the patent law process was that you had to have a working model, in order to be awarded a patent?

    (I'm not a patent lawyer, so I could be very wrong on this, and probably am)

    How does that work then? Could I go out and patent something, like say, "Faster-than-light spaceship drive" and sit back and wait for someone to develop it, and then get rich?

    That seems kinda messed up...

    Not that that is any reason it couldn't be real...

    1. Re:Is that legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beleive the only device that the patent office actually requires a working model of would be a perpetual motion machine.

    2. Re:Is that legit? by clary · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I thought part of the patent law process was that you had to have a working model, in order to be awarded a patent?
      According to Scientific American, the requirement for a working model was rescinded in 1800, except for perpetual motion machines. ;-)
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    3. Re:Is that legit? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      How does that work then? Could I go out and patent something, like say, "Faster-than-light spaceship drive" and sit back and wait for someone to develop it, and then get rich?

      Even worse, someone can wait until the faster than light spaceship is invented, then use it to travel back in time and then patent it!

      No, the patent office does not require working models any longer (not for quite some time). But I think that it could still be a good legal argument when defending against a patent that the patent holder did not really invent anything and that they just tried squatting on an idea (one that is hardly theirs), gave the public nothing of any value for the patent, and so are not entitled to patent protection when an unimplimented bit of sciece fantasy gets patented. I sure hope so, because unless these guys reallu have built The hologram projector 200 I would hate to see them profit on this any more than just bilking investors.

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    4. Re:Is that legit? by pyros · · Score: 1

      The intent is that you'd have to patent the theory and mechanics that make the drive work. The requirement to have a working model was removed because that would present an artificial barrier to poor inventors. But the way people are patenting business models and web technologies, 1-click shopping you may very well be able to patent something with no indication of design now too.

    5. Re:Is that legit? by pyros · · Score: 1

      man, I hate having to remember to use &lt and &gt, mainly because I never remember. There should have been a around "1-click shopping".

    6. Re:Is that legit? by Sgt+York · · Score: 1
      I don't know if you do actually have to have a working model to get a patent, but (from the article):

      To help demonstrate his invention to potential licensees, Mr. McPheters has set up his laptop so that he can give a Powerpoint presentation without touching the computer, by punching his fingers into the air.

      It looks like he does have a working model, or at least a proof-of-concept widget.

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    7. Re:Is that legit? by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Eureka! You've just invented time travel.

      But the awful truth is that you're not alone.

      In fact, scientists have been inventing time travel since 1814.

      But if you have a time machine, it really doesn't matter who invented it first. All that matters is who gets to the Patent Office first.

      And by "first" we mean on opening day. Because nothing suits a time machine like U.S. Patent 1.

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    8. Re:Is that legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Except for perpetual motion machines" ?

      What's the problem if someone patents that? It's not really like the one patenting it will make a lot of money from people who build perpetual motion machines anyway...

    9. Re:Is that legit? by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1
      Um... that's called a theramin. ;)

      Seriously though, they DON'T have any projection holograms as depicted in the photo. If they did, now THAT would be news!

      If you've read their patent you see that they have NO TECHNOLOGY. They're just trying to patent an idea. ...and one that's been done to death in sci-fi for ages as well.

  23. Gone already by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    The site is slashdotted already.

    Just imagine the spectacle of "404 error" numbers flashing and floating in mid-air.

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  24. Ease of use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you think the responsiveness of these will be? For all we know these could make for piss poor keyboards like those found on cheap laptops...

  25. Just what we need by ergonal · · Score: 1
    Drivers, for example, would not have to take their eyes off the road to make a telephone call; they could punch a phone number into a transparent holographic keyboard projected in front of the windshield.

    Just what we need, more distractions for drivers.

    1. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Drivers, for example, would not have to take their eyes off the road to make a telephone call; they could punch a phone number into a transparent holographic keyboard projected in front of the windshield.

      Dude, is that guy behind us dialing his phone, or giving me the finger?

    2. Re:Just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Distractions could get worse than that, I can just picture the day when I'm driving down the road and suddenly an annoying advertisement pops up on my windshield saying "Your car has a virus, click here to get rid of it!", blocking my view of the road!

    3. Re:Just what we need by mblase · · Score: 1

      Just what we need, more distractions for drivers.

      Less distractions. Right now you have to take your eyes off the road in order to see the keypad on your phone; this lets you keep your eyes on what's in front of you, the same way Heads-Up Displays in fighter jets do.

    4. Re:Just what we need by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      Drivers, for example, would not have to take their eyes off the road to make a telephone call; they could punch a phone number into a transparent holographic keyboard projected in front of the windshield.

      There's nothing new or patentable for car heads up displays. We've had heads up displays for years, in jet fighters and even some in high end commercially available cars. Maybe if they have a new, good way of sensing hand position that might be worthy of a patent, but there are a lot of different technologies for touch screens too (many of which do not involve touching anything, just the position of your pinkey breaking or otherwise interacting with a light beam), I don't see any of this as innovation, just lame bad patent squatting.

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  26. "already managed to secure the patent"?? by vectus · · Score: 1

    "already managed to secure the patent on its technology"

    That almost implies that there is some measure of difficulty associated with getting a patent. I take it that you're not from the US?

    1. Re:"already managed to secure the patent"?? by saddino · · Score: 1

      Let's see, according to the patent, it was filed on June 6, 1995, and awarded April 23, 2002. Almost seven years is not "some measure of difficulty?"

  27. Don't Deprive Your Immune System by Boss,+Pointy+Haired · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We used to live in caves. Your body is perfectly capable of seeing off any nastyness you pick up of public keyboards.

    To much cleanliness is just as unhealthy as too little. People that wash their hands all the time are generally ill far more often than those that feed their bodies immune system and let it develop in the way in which it is supposed to.

    1. Re:Don't Deprive Your Immune System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >We used to live in caves.

      We also used to live in groups of under 20-25. Not hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Being too careless can end a society (haven't you ever heard about that dirty public telephone plague that wiped out an entire world?)

    2. Re:Don't Deprive Your Immune System by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a difference between bolstering your immune system and sticking your fingers into a big pile of dog-doo. There are plenty of things I'd rather not touch.

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    3. Re:Don't Deprive Your Immune System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you touch dog shit, or any shit, you wash it off with soap and water and it won't be a big deal.

      like they close entire pools now when some kid pisses in it. I used to have to go to the bottom and pick up shit with a net for YEARS.

      I'm not dead, sick, or otherwise.

      99% bacteria free bullshit is what is making us sick and the bacteria is winning.

    4. Re:Don't Deprive Your Immune System by freeweed · · Score: 1

      We used to live in caves.

      And we used to have an average life expectancy of under 30.

      Thanks, I'll pass.

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  28. Pop-Up Windows Like Never Before!! by Dr.+Shim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh God. Just imagin if you want to go to Google.com but instead land at Gooogle.com... Or pop-ups... Or better yet... Japanese Killer Seizure Robots floating floating in your face!

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    1. Re:Pop-Up Windows Like Never Before!! by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm not doing something right, but when I visit gooogle.com I get to the Google search engine.

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    2. Re:Pop-Up Windows Like Never Before!! by Dr.+Shim · · Score: 0

      Well, the last time I "checked" (not intentionally, really) it was some sort of website displaying people in positions handeling places that ought not to be handled in such unethical positions with quite disagreeable people, in the first place.

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  29. Semen Stains by thedogcow · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, now the keyboard is holographic but Gravity still comes into affect here, so now it will just land on the holographic-producing device.

    *Splortch*

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    1. Re:Semen Stains by Dr.+Shim · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Or, what if they have a holographic device to make a holographic device float in the air as a holograph emitting your keyboard as a holograph? Or, they could just make it wireless... Bah. I bet the first editions of the device are AS BIG AS YOUR HEAD. They usually are anyways.

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  30. Roddenberry wasn't first here by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    This was displayed quite well in the otherwise pretty much lame Johnny Mmemonic (1995), two years before "Earth: Final Conflict" (1997).

    These are just the examples I've seen. I would suspect that this first appeared elsewhere even earlier than 1995.

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    1. Re:Roddenberry wasn't first here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like in every anime ever made...ever...seriously...

    2. Re:Roddenberry wasn't first here by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Not only are there other references before EFC or Johnny Mnemonic, but Roddenberry was dead and cold for years before EFC went into production. It's based on a story outline of his, but he had no part in the special effects or most of the rest of it. The idea is so old that we might indeed find some reference to it in Raddenberry's works (I'm not a big fan and don't claim to know) but it certainly wasn't EFC.

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    3. Re:Roddenberry wasn't first here by 1001011010110101 · · Score: 1

      Bzzzzzzzt, wrong. In Johnny Mnemonic it was dataglobes and VR googles, not floating-in-the-air data input.

  31. I bet the Magic Circle are very annoyed about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although they really should patent their secrets rather than rely on cursing people who break the silence.

  32. Tactile Feedback is important by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Anybody see the lack of tactile feedback as a problem? Holograms are great for unobtrusive displays like in aircraft like the story says, but once you start interacting with it, you would expect some type of feedback.

    Especially, if they plan to use this sort of thing for remote medical procedures. Imagine a doctor trying to perform a delicate surgery, without any sort of sensation of touch whatsoever.

    Maybe they'll come up with force feedback gloves or something.

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    1. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by mblase · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anybody see the lack of tactile feedback as a problem?

      Only if they fail to combine it with some sort of visual and/or audio feedback -- such as making the number you press blink white and go "bing!" when you touch it.

    2. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by seite-f00f · · Score: 1

      > Maybe they'll come up with force feedback gloves or something.

      if they do, they won't need their "patented sensor technologie" won't they?

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    3. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by jabber01 · · Score: 1

      My thought exactly, with one qualification. This will be a great input device for menus and other selection of discrete options, but it will suck for any significant data entry.

      Tactile feedback is great for typing. Having your keys flash and beep each time you touch them, when typing or building up your input with multiple key presses, would get very irritating very quickly.

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    4. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by blamanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      you would expect some type of feedback

      Indeed, but tactile is not the only possible form. Auditory feedback and visual feedback both work, though for touch-typing speeds, visual isn't acceptable...too slow.

      I've used a projection-keyboard system (non-holographic). It takes some getting used to but it's pretty amazing. Expect to see it in cell phones/PDAs within the next 2-3 years.

    5. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by alumshubby · · Score: 1

      How about a combination of visual and audio feedback? Maybe if the pressed key changes color and/or flashes, and if there's some audio feedback of click .WAV playing at the same time. Granted, it'll be a looooooong time before anybody wants to rely on this tech for intensive data entry, but by then there'll probably better voice recognition anyway.

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    6. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by aliens · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they'll come up with force feedback gloves or something.

      Man imagine that, a device that displays "keys" to be pressed that have feedback to them. So that there's actual sensation to pressing them.

      We'll call it "keyboard"!!

      Hehe just being sarcastic, but you get the idea. If you want to really put this to use find a way to change the dynamic of how we interact with computers in a meaningful way.

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    7. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by alumshubby · · Score: 1

      I REALLY hate this stupid interface.

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    8. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      For many applications, I think the holographic stuff is overkill - eg, a keyboard or basic UI. Medical stuff that needs 3D I can understand, but not most consumer stuff. For these apps, would a touchscreen with transparent OLED not be sufficient?

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    9. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      What makes you think visual feedback isn't fast enough? Personally, I think the more senses you get feedback in, the better.

    10. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by blamanj · · Score: 1

      I take it you aren't a touch typist. A touch typist doesn't look at the keys. It slows you down. A simple soft click that you've "made" the key is far better if your goal is to type quickly.

    11. Re:Tactile Feedback is important by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      You're right. However, a touch typist looks at the screen to get feedback that not only have they typed something, but that they've typed what they meant to type.

  33. Yeah so... by Valiss · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a doormat in front of my front door. It's a holodoormat, not a square drawn on the ground with chalk as someone of lesser intelligence might think. When you step on it it'll ring the door bell (after you hit the button). Anyone wanna buy one? Oh and I have 10MB images that you can download of it; and they aren't picture of my front door with a photoshopped square drawn where a doormat should be. I swear.

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    1. Re:Yeah so... by sarcast · · Score: 1

      I don't have too much of a problem with the photoshopped images, but I have a problem with the doctor in one of the photos.

      He looks like he is taking a tuturial on how to do some open heart surgery. I feel sorry for the anonymous person he is operating on.

    2. Re:Yeah so... by ehiris · · Score: 1

      Patent approved.

  34. hey that's not holographic! by hatrisc · · Score: 1

    that's my friend's dad! here

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    1. Re:hey that's not holographic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn. One ugly sombiatch. Tell him to invest in some tooth whitener, and to lay off the coffee and smokes already.

      Maybe they can make him some whiter holographic teeth?

      And maybe some holographic hair?

  35. Society for Information Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Cant blame slashdot but the NYT is lagging a bit as I remember seeing it in an article last september here even has some of the same pictures.
    article follows:

    HoloTouch Unveils "Controls that Float in Thin Air"

    Darien, Connecticut, September 12 - HoloTouch, Inc. announced today that it will introduce its new holographic control technology into operating rooms and other sterile environments. HoloTouch(TM) patented technology enables controls that float in thin air, allowing healthcare personnel to manage a wide variety of electronic devices by simply "touching" 3D holographic images floating at a convenient location.

    "Surgeons often need to view footage from the beginning of a medical procedure. With HoloTouch, the controls are contained in holographic images, projected directly in front of the surgeon. The surgeon's hands may be covered in blood, but, since the "button" to be pushed consists only of beams of light, there are no contamination issues," said HoloTouch inventor and President R. Douglas McPheters.

    John D. Fisher, M.D., Director of Arrhythmia Services and Professor of Medicine at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, praised the new technology as a significant improvement over existing methods. "During angioplasties, pacemaker implantations, and other cardiac procedures we must be able to quickly see the visual record of the patient's condition at various times since the beginning of the procedure. With HoloTouch, the surgeon is in direct control of this visual record, eliminating the delay and risk of misinterpretation that exists under present systems," Dr. Fisher said.

    The company is speaking with several manufacturers interested in licensing HoloTouch for use in high-end audio-visual equipment, car phones, "factory floor" applications, military hardware, and other electronic devices, McPheters said.

  36. Wait a second by zejackal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not much detail on the company's website. I'm interested in how they construct the image. If it is truely holographic, then it will require a medium for the image to be projected on. After all, a hologram is just an interference pattern. That is unless of course they plan on projecting directly onto the retina which I find hard to believe. So the image won't float in the air above the body of the person being operated on, it will float in front of some display case. It won't be visible from all angles either. They don't call it a free floating volumetric display, so it must be projected. It sounds cool, but not as cool as it's made out.

    1. Re:Wait a second by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that this would make their "sample applications" images impossible, unless they have already found a way to manipulate the air to reflect light in their pattern -- what I don't think, is even possible without applying the amount of energy sufficient to kill the viewer.

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    2. Re:Wait a second by Doctor7 · · Score: 1

      They don't construct the image at all. All they've patented is the sensor array to detect interaction with a hologram, it's fairly useless until they or someone else figures out how to generate the hologram itself.

  37. Man... by Faust7 · · Score: 1

    This'll take all the fun out of therapeutically banging the bejesus out of keys in frustration, unless Rimmer's "hard light" becomes a reality. Wouldn't you feel silly just slamming your fingers on air?

  38. This is just a shameless promo... by bennomatic · · Score: 1

    for that new Spy Kids movie!

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  39. But could you really type on it? by KillerHamster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see some advantages to a keyboard you wouldn't have to touch, but I don't think I could use it. The feedback I get by pressing the keys is how I know that I hit the correct one and that I pressed down far enough. The feel of the keyboard is also how I know where to position my hands without looking. I would probably have to look at something like this while I type, which would slow me down drastically.

    1. Re:But could you really type on it? by mblase · · Score: 1

      I can see some advantages to a keyboard you wouldn't have to touch, but I don't think I could use it.

      This technology is intended to produce keyboards and touchscreens where none can physically exist; it's not really supposed to replace physical keyboards, except when the "wow" factor is wanted.

    2. Re:But could you really type on it? by blamanj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It replaces physical keyboards where they can't exist, also. Here's another company that does projection keyboards.

      They've also done testing on usability. Touch typists can adapt and achieve about 60% of their electro-mechanical keyboard speeds.

    3. Re:But could you really type on it? by cvas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand the hesitancy, but at the same time is this not a something of a Luddite view? A new technology comes along, it could replace a current one, but you don't see how it could be possible or how anyone would be able to work with it. How did we move from the chisel to the pen? The pen to the keyboard? We adapted.

      Maybe your hand position determines the home point of the keyboard and the hologram moves with you so you don't need to look or reposition your hands. Or I'm sure there are other ways around the loss of tactile feedback. Aural? Visual? Electrode on your scrotum?

      So to your question of: "But could you really type on it?" Yes, I think you could. You may not hit 100wpm on your first day, but how fast were you when you started typing? When you picked up a pen the first time?

    4. Re:But could you really type on it? by 222 · · Score: 1

      No kidding. I cant even use one of these new fangled "internet ergonomic" keyboards, i stick with my beloved Model M IBM's. Nothing, and i repeat NOTHING, could ever replace this :)

    5. Re:But could you really type on it? by MATTtheROGUE · · Score: 1

      I think, with a little bit of practice anyone could. I, for instance, play piano. I play it all the time, even when I'm not at the piano. I can tap away, feeling sure I'm hitting the correct notes. When I go back to the piano, I can close my eyes, and play the piece. I'm sure anyone can get the hang of it.

    6. Re:But could you really type on it? by cgibbard · · Score: 1

      I also think it would be physically more taxing to type on a keyboard that didn't physically exist. The keys allow your hands to rest while they're not actually typing, and after pushing down a key, your finger gets pushed back up by the springiness of the key. Flat keyboards have long been possible, but nobody with a choice would want one, as they're much more difficult to use for any length of time.

  40. Floating 3D Picture by nherc · · Score: 1
    If this ISN'T vaporware... which I think it is.

    Wouldn't you just need to project a series of these in a row to create a 'cube' space where you could then project 3D scenes?

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    1. Re:Floating 3D Picture by nunofgs · · Score: 1

      NOOOOoooo! don't tell them how to do it! that's exactly what they want!!!!

  41. A word from Pennywise the Clown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Floating controls?

    " they float,we all float down here...."

  42. I want the handhelds with the holo-keyboards... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    ...from Xenosaga, Episode 1.

    The keys lit up and beeped when you "hit" them to provide some level of feedback. Pretty sweetly designed tech for an RPG cutscene.

    Oh, and gimme one of those KOD-MOS battle androids, too, as long as I'm dreaming.

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    1. Re:I want the handhelds with the holo-keyboards... by wanderers_id · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I have a patent on KOD-MOS androids... and ill sue anyone who sells you one. You might want to persue a KOS-MOS android though... but I think Vector's site got slashdotted.

    2. Re:I want the handhelds with the holo-keyboards... by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

      A typo nitpick?! In THIS day and age????!

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  43. Nobody said it was evil by burgburgburg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They just pointed out that it was already patented. This isn't a ridiculous patent with an enormous amount of prior art to illustrate that it never should have been granted in the first place (AFAIK, IANAL).

    1. Re:Nobody said it was evil by denebeim · · Score: 1

      IANAL (patent or otherwise), however my understanding is that you can't patent something that is trivial. This technology has been around in books and movies for a long, long time. It was even obvious how it would be done, assuming you had holographs in the air which as far as I know we still do not have.

      For whatever it's worth this is why the waterbed was not, could not be, patented. Heinlein described it in great detail in Stranger in a Strange Land.

    2. Re:Nobody said it was evil by ZlOrB · · Score: 1

      However it looks way too similar to previously reported "Virtual Keyboard" on http://www.vkb.co.il/. They claim thay have patents on their holographic keyboard/interface also.

  44. That's Incredible! And missing! by Chagatai · · Score: 1
    I know this is kind of OT, but does anyone remember an episode of the classic TV show "That's Incredible" that showed a segment on 3-D television? Some inventors came up with a box that would put images in 3-D format without glasses. Not only that, but the effect persisted even if you closed one eye. I thought that it would be promising technology to use with interactive terminals such as this holography equipment where "buttons" are pressed by passing a finger through an IR field. Anyone have any info on that invention?

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  45. Is their tech only detecting the 'keypress'? by maddugan · · Score: 1

    I get the feeling their technology is only the part that detects the "keypress" and not the actually display of the hologram.

    1. Re:Is their tech only detecting the 'keypress'? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      There are lots of existing touch screen technology out there, several of which do not involve actually touching a screen or anything else, but just breaking a light beam or reflecting the beam in a different way. They seem to be using lasers, but I don't see that that is different than a touch screen technology that used "light beams".

      I think their real technology is in getting a patent and perhaps in sueing anyone who might really build some of the holographic controls we've seen on TV and movies for years. And maybe in milking some investors who want to get in on the sueing too.

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  46. of course you can by mblase · · Score: 1

    ...they do it just fine on the NYT article

    1. Re:of course you can by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      ..they do it just fine on the NYT article

      First, of all, of course you can photograph a hologram. But what part of the NYT article do you think showed a photograph of this "invention"? I saw a picture of a guy pressing a touch screen display on a beige box. There was no holographic image, unless you want to believe that the beige box, it's touch screen and even the wire shown running to it were all holographic creations. And if you have to have a beige box with a display on it to do this magic, that's hardly an invention. Touch screen displays of this type have been around so long that many of the early patents must already be expiring.

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  47. problems by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With a holgraphic keyboard, you get the ability to customize on the fly, so you can adjust the keyboard position and size for the person.

    But...... it can't be used as a long term replacement for a keyboard. A regular keyboard provides lift to the fingers when releasing the keys, thus reducing the work on the fingers. This cuts down on RSIs.

    1. Re:problems by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
      With a holgraphic keyboard, you get the ability to customize on the fly,

      Only if the have dynamic hologram technology that would let them change the image on the fly, which I see no claim that they do. They might be claiming to have some sort of static hologram projector of 1 image (like a keyboatd with keys that can not move), but they are apparently not even showing this, which makes one wonder if they have anything at all.

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  48. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's nice to know that they issue patents for things that rightfully deserve patenting too.

    Can you read the patent and figure out how the "The holographic image generator 200" works? I sure can't. Maybe I'm just dense and others can point out the invcention here, but how the hell does their supposed holographic image generator 200 work? If the purpose of a patent is to disclose how a device functions, and in doing so give the inventor a limited time monopoly on the invention in return for information that becomes public knowledge and will eventually become freely useable by all, then I think this patent falls far short of this requirement. I have serious doubts that the company even invented anything at all, it looks more to me like they hope someone else will and that they can then sue them, based on having obtained a patent without actually inventing anything or provide the public any value in return for the patent.

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  49. Go for it Cowboy Neal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    For some reason, the image comes to mind, unbidden:

    Cowboy Neal, marching down the street, wearing display goggles. His special custom hologram GUI/keyboard hovers in front of him (he can see it in his goggles, no one else can).

    Trying to keep Slashdot afloat, he is furiously moderating the new posts: both fists are stabbing middle fingers all over the place right and left in front of him in mid-air as he walks down the street.

    To passersby, it looks like a cross between Mike Tyson, an NYC cabbie flipping the bird out the window, the the crazy homeless man who walks around talking to himself.

    1. Re:Go for it Cowboy Neal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, yes. With the exception that none of them would be screaming "goatsex! goatsex! goatsex!"..

      Or we'd hope at least.

    2. Re:Go for it Cowboy Neal by Stalyn · · Score: 1

      thats not cool CmdrTaco to talk shit about Cowboy Neal behind his back.

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    3. Re:Go for it Cowboy Neal by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      wearing ONLY display googles???!!!!! NOOOOooooooo!!!!!

  50. Friendly Pictures by Biomechanoid · · Score: 1

    Well, looking at the friendly pictures on that site, it seems pretty dandy if you have just sliced someone open and are interested in figuring out what the contents are by pushing some buttons without getting that blood all over the place.

  51. Anything Real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone find one single piece of evidence that this product even exists? Their web site is less than a year old and only has a couple of photoshopped images. The patent has a couple of pencil drawings, and that's it. The NYT article has a picture of a keypad inside a cardboard box? And 'infoperk' turns up ZERO RESULTS ON GOOGLE! I simply can not believe that a company liscencing this technology would have ZERO RECORD OF THEIR NAME ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET!!

  52. Prior Art by Cryoabyss · · Score: 1

    I don't mean to spoil the fun, but I developed a device much like this one many years ago using holograms and lasers. Poof goes the patent :)

    -Jason

    1. Re:Prior Art by demastri · · Score: 1
      Prior Art (Score:1) by mr.nicholas (219881) on Monday August 04, @04:53PM (#6609453) (http://www.mrnick.binary9.net/) They're acquiring a patent, huh? Hm. Do TV shows that demonstrate this technology count as Prior Art? They hope not, because "Earth: Final Conflict" had this type of input device since season one. I personally disliked the show, but thought their UIs were right-on for a "futuristic" technology. Note: I also thought their "Globals" (handheld computers/communications devices) were well designed, too. I had guessed that they accurated predicted what our technological/design curve would end up being.
      Fictional prior art isn't prior art. These guys are claiming to be able to actually do this, not just imagine it on a SF show. It isn't that farfetched, either, just a merging of two disparate well understood technologies - holographic image generation and IR position detection. There's a good post earlier about the required size of the generator that makes this particular idea sound impractical for many obvious uses, but definitely within the achievable.
  53. Sweeet... by MImeKillEr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now people won't have to strain their necks to see your pin number while shoulder surfing.

    [sarcasm]
    I can hardly wait!
    [/sarcasm]

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  54. Well, see by Faust7 · · Score: 1

    That's why I said "worry." Often, fact is one thing, and peace of mind is quite another.

    Millions of people would like thinking that they're being cleaner than before, even if there were no real danger to begin with.

  55. WHat a Load of Shaite! by nherc · · Score: 1, Redundant
    Basically their patent says: Once someone figures out how to create a floating hologram, we figured out how to interacte with it by get this "TOUCHING" THE HOLOGRAM!

    Those are some smart bastards. The patent office really makes me sick.

    From the patent:

    BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

    The present invention relates generally to a holographic operator interface to electronic or electromechanical devices such as data processing units or computers and, more particularly, to a holographic operator interface where there is no tangible physical contact between the operator and the control elements of the operator interface as the input devices are holographic images of the keys or other customarily touch-activated tangible input devices. Operator interaction is detected through electromagnetic or other means, thereby obviating the need for direct physical contact with a solid input object or surface.

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    1. Re:WHat a Load of Shaite! by mblase · · Score: 1

      Geez, what a flamebaiter. Do you really think that inventing a device to detect where you've "touched" a hologram, regardless of where it's being projected, is easy? They'd have built them ten, fifteen years ago if it was as simple as you seem to think.

      Give the inventor credit, he's not patenting the idea of "touching" a hologram, he's patenting an actual implementation of it. Just because Slashdot loves mocking patents on business processes and software doesn't mean that all patents fall into those categories.

    2. Re:WHat a Load of Shaite! by nherc · · Score: 1
      Umm, they haven't even done THAT MUCH!

      Read the last line "Operator interaction is detected through electromagnetic or other means, thereby obviating the need for direct physical contact with a solid input object or surface."

      *cough*

      And, it is trival compared to creating a floating hologram.

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    3. Re:WHat a Load of Shaite! by joelsanda · · Score: 1

      "And, it is trival compared to creating a floating hologram." Build it, then.

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    4. Re:WHat a Load of Shaite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't we already seen people do that in the movies!? Hell, I'm pretty sure that they did things similar to that in Minority Report...

    5. Re:WHat a Load of Shaite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I wish I could, but it's now illegal to build one without a license. Stupid system.

      Of course the hard part would be convincing anyone to buy one.

  56. hazard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hey, you wont short your kbd when spilling your coffee...

    I could see a pilot accidently put his hand through the controls and eject himself.

    Even if it does work it would probably be more of an inconvenience/hazard than a help.

  57. Cruise can act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See him in 'Born on the forth of July', 'Jerry Maguire', 'Magnolia', or 'Eyes Wide Shut'; all excellent performances which did little to help his carefully crafted leading man-hunk for the gals image.

  58. Size? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Now if they can just make this sucker small enough, it could be a perfect input device for palm-sized or watch-sized devices. And if they can project a keyboard holographically, why not a screen? Pictures? Video? If they figured out how to do that in a small device, they deserve all the money they'd make off the patent.

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  59. Comments about device by merlin_jim · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately they didn't do their homework :(

    From the website:

    HoloTouch, images of keypads can be any size, entirely independent of the size of the hardware.

    (emphasis my own)

    From the patent:

    When a hologram is illuminated by a reconstruction beam, it produces a real image (which appears to be between the plane of the hologram and the viewer) and a virtual image (which appears to be behind the plane of the hologram). [snip] Thus, it is preferred that the holographic image 207 be a real image.

    Quick review of holography: an extremely high resolution film takes pictures of the interference pattern generated when a coherent light beam strikes an object.

    When coherent light of a similar wavelength later shines through this film, the interference patterns cause it to be shined through in exactly the same manner as the original coherent light, up to about half the resolution of the film. Most holographic film is 3000 lines per inch, so the hologram has a "resolution" of about 1500 lines per inch.

    You see an image because the light reaching your eyes through the film is exactly as it would be had the object been in front of your eyes and illuminated by the original beam.

    The light reaching your eyes is coming through the film and then traveling in a straight line from the film to your eyes. You can only see such light if the holograph is directly behind it, because the path of the photons cannot change after it passes through the hologram (disregarding minor lensing effects due to the atmosphere, that is)

    What does this mean? Well if the hologram appears to be one half meter in front of you and the holographic film is one meter in front of you, and the holographic image appears to be 10 cm x 10 cm, then the minimum possible size for the holographic film is 20 cm x 20 cm.

    I don't call that entirely independent; as a matter of fact, it's a pretty simple relationship governed by a version of the inverse square law.

    Oh, an interesting fact about it is if you take a holographic film and cut it in half, because all the information about the image is stored throughout the film, you don't have half a hologram; you have a hologram of the entire object that is half the size of the original. Pretty cool stuff actually.

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    1. Re:Comments about device by trisweb · · Score: 1

      My mod: 5, Informative, Interesting + Very Cool.

      I Learn something new every day on /. ....

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    2. Re:Comments about device by MasonMcD · · Score: 1

      Oh, an interesting fact about it is if you take a holographic film and cut it in half, because all the information about the image is stored throughout the film, you don't have half a hologram; you have a hologram of the entire object that is half the size of the original. Pretty cool stuff actually.

      So can we extrapolate how big our Visa cards would be if they didn't chop the dove down to giblet size?

    3. Re:Comments about device by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative

      So can we extrapolate how big our Visa cards would be if they didn't chop the dove down to giblet size?

      Were it a film holograph, with the right equipment you could; in that laser's have a characteristic coherency, and holograms can only be produced by one of about half a dozen different types of lasers, simply because you have to manufacture the film specifically for the process, and the film only gets cheap in massive quantities. So you could peel the hologram off, or setup an optical front surface mirror arrangement allowing you to shine different types of laser light through and measure the change in coherency.

      How does that help? Slicing the image down changed the coherency of the interference pattern. If you shine the original type of laser through it and measure the change in coherency with an interferometer, you can measure the amount of information lost; that corresponds exactly to the change in area

      However, the dove on the VISA card is almost certainly a mechanical hologram, not a film hologram. Basically, because atoms are significantly smaller than photons, you can take a hologram and create a metal stamp based on it, and then use that stamp to create a holographic impression on a plastic or metal foil. It's a cheap way to mass produce holograms. But you lose a lot of the coherency information, which is why mass produced holograms are always virtual images (they appear to be inside of, rather than outside of, the hologram), because virtual images are more forgiving of slight errors in the process.

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    4. Re:Comments about device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Oh, an interesting fact about it is if you take a holographic film and cut it in half, because all the information about the image is stored throughout the film, you don't have half a hologram; you have a hologram of the entire object that is half the size of the original.

      That's is interesting, but it's not true. You do lose information. What you loose is look angles. When you cut the film in half, it's like cutting the window to the hologram in half.

    5. Re:Comments about device by nunofgs · · Score: 1

      wait... so we can take one of their devices and generate a holographic keyboard the size of planet earth? there's gotta have a limit!

    6. Re:Comments about device by N7DR · · Score: 1
      Oh, an interesting fact about it is if you take a holographic film and cut it in half, because all the information about the image is stored throughout the film, you don't have half a hologram; you have a hologram of the entire object that is half the size of the original. Pretty cool stuff actually.

      Just to elaborate: it's also half the resolution of the original. I am sure that you knew that, but the casual reader of your post may wonder what one loses by cutting the hologram in half.

    7. Re:Comments about device by alexburke · · Score: 1

      Oh, an interesting fact about it is if you take a holographic film and cut it in half, because all the information about the image is stored throughout the film, you don't have half a hologram; you have a hologram of the entire object that is half the size of the original. Pretty cool stuff actually.

      At the risk of sounding incredibly naive, how in the flying fuck is that possible? If you know how, please say so, because the sheer concept that the above is actually the case is absolutely mind-boggling to me (and I want to know so much more about it)!

      Okay, I'll stop foaming at the mouth now. But please tell me more.

    8. Re:Comments about device by merlin_jim · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, from http://nths.newtrier.k12.il.us/academics/math/Conn ections/light/hologrsn.htm

      Amazingly, a hologram may be cut in half and you will still see the entire image. And you can cut one of the pieces in half again and again and see the entire image. Every part of the hologram has received and recorded light from the entire object!

      Now how does it work? Basically, a film hologram is more than just a fancy trick you are playing with light; the entire piece of film is involved in recreating the image. Every piece of film holds all of the information about the object and they all contribute to the whole. By reducing the size of the film; you simply reduce the size of the object.

      A better explanation: http://www.emergentmind.org/miller-webbI3b.htm

      oh and as for other neat treaks with film holograms? Let's say you have a complicated, fussy optics array. You spend days tuning it and getting it perfectly in focus. Now let's say this optics array is going to be used to focus the aiming laser on an abrams tank. Or as the projection lens for the periscope in a submarine.

      You COULD ruggedize the whole setup, and field tune it occasionally.

      But you could also use holography; you take a hologram of the entire setup, and the hologram acts exactly like the original optics, up to the resolution of the hologram, at the wavelength you used. You can make what's called a whitelight or broadband hologram.

      I don't know why the eyeglasses companies haven't latched onto this. Cheap, light eyeglasses that don't need to be ground or anything. Just cut out the shape to fit the eyepiece, patch it in, and go.

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    9. Re:Comments about device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow... really pulling shit out of your ass on that post.

    10. Re:Comments about device by hankwang · · Score: 1
      [about holograms]
      > I don't know why the eyeglasses companies haven't latched onto this. Cheap, light eyeglasses that don't need to be ground or anything. Just cut out the shape to fit the eyepiece, patch it in, and go.

      It's possible to make a holographic lens, but the focal length is inversely proportional to the wavelength. The wavelengths of visible light are in the range 400-700 nm, so that would be quite useless unless you only live/work under the monochromatic illumination (e.g. low-pressure sodium lamps).

    11. Re:Comments about device by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1
      Total Nonsense!

      Where in the world did you get your ideas? Let me guess... you watch every episode of Star Trek ever aired, and think it's real science?

      Hey, you even forgot to check the [x]Post Anonymously box. ;)

    12. Re:Comments about device by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1
      By reducing the size of the film; you simply reduce the size of the object.

      It's obvious you don't have much real world expericence with holograms. reducing the size of the film (by cutting it in half for example) does NOT reduce the size of the image. It only restricts how much of the image you can see. Think of the holgram as a window you're looking though at an object. If you make your window smaller, it doesn't make the object smaller... just makes it so you can see less without moving relative to the window.

    13. Re:Comments about device by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      It may surprise you Mr. Physics Dude but not only do people actually know something about physics, but there are actually hobbyists doing this kind of thing.

      I've made holograms. And I've built interferometers, beam tables, and several other pieces of equipment. I've even measured the coherency fringe length of several lasers.

      coherency fringe length directly effects sharpness of a hologram with regard to beam path difference. That is, if your beam path difference is equal to your coherency fringe, then you will have a hologram with 0 sharpness, no information in it. If your difference is 0, you will have a hologram as sharp as your recording medium allows.

      When you cut a hologram in half you reduce that sharpness, the amount of information in the hologram. You can measure this loss with an interferometer, with a similar setup that is used to measure coherency fringe length...

      Oh and posting anonymously is for cowards, choads, and morons that call other slashdotters idiots without providing factual arguments

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  60. WHOAA! by mschoolbus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that the dude from Night Rider on this page?

    Knight Rider 2003! Now with Holographic panel!

  61. WARNING:not a GOATSE link! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  62. Dang, slashdotted... by __aaklbk2114 · · Score: 1

    Looks like they have a holographic web site as well...

  63. patent shmatent by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How and why in the "f" word did they get to patent this "invention?" I have a serious problem with this and here is what it is: The patent system exists in order that inventors can get a temporary monopoly on their invention as incentive to tell the world how it is done, so that humanity as a whole can benefit from it long after it is no longer a viable business for the inventor. By this definition, and yes, I know that the patent system is all screwed up, shouldn't inventors at least be required to demonstrate a working, functioning, real invention before they can secure a patent on it? It is obvious that this company did not actually get this friggen thing to work. By that logic, I should be able to patent about 100 ideas that I have every day, just because they would be cool if they ever worked, but won't, because I'm not actually going to build it, and nobody else will either, until the patent expires, because I am going to charge ridiculous fees for the use of my valuable intellectual property, which doesn't exist, not only because it is simply an idea that has no physical incarnation, but also because nobody has ever built the damn thing before.

    And if, by some fscked up logic, you are allowed to patent ideas that have no implementation, what's stopping all the movie producers who portrayed things like this in their movies from patenting this or any other idea seen in a futuristic movie. Hey, I got one... How 'bout patenting cyborgs? Hmmm... Good deal.

    1. Re:patent shmatent by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      I just figured out how to stop judgement day, once and for all.

      Patent the idea of robots launching nukes at us, destroying us all. When Skynet starts killing us, sue 'em into oblivion for infringing on your IP.

      (OK maybe not once and for all, but for however long patents last)

    2. Re:patent shmatent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The patent system has been abused, yes. It has also made multi-millionaires of many lone inventors who would have been politely and efficiently stripped of their work by large companies without the protection offered by the USPTO. If you are so ready to type up a litany against the system and feel you have a "100 ideas... every day" that you could patent, then why not invest your time and thousands of dollars per patent using the system to your benefit and everyone else's?

    3. Re:patent shmatent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Au contraire, if they want to patent an invention prior to making a working prototype, then it's fine by me. The clock on the patent expiry starts ticking from the submittal date (actually, approved date, but more on that later). So if it takes ten years for the patent holder to bring the device to market, then they only have ten years left to make a profit from the device. And let's face it, a holographic interactive display isn't going to significantly change the way we do things (heck, I'm still using a CRT monitor!).

      Under a standard patent application process, a patent is submitted, which then takes 3 or 4 years to get approved. Then the patent holder has 16 years to make something of it. The exception to this rule is submarine patents, where the application is constantly modified so that it goes back to the review process (and thus never matures).

      Submarine patents are the truly evil entity that you should target. These patents are always pending, and can be later modified post-submittal to encompass any new inventions in the same vein. The fact that they never mature (approved) means that anything that can fall under the patent has to tread carefully, lest they pay more in legal fees than any profit they could ever make.

    4. Re:patent shmatent by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1

      Look on the bright side... By the time this technology actually gets invented, this patent will probably already have expired. ;)

  64. Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by nstrom · · Score: 1

    I noticed the website was going a little slow for me. Decided to check it out -- I'm in Connecticut too, so I know the local providers -- and found that the site is hosted in Hong Kong. Seems a little fishy to me.

    host name : holotouch.com
    alias name: www.holotouch.com
    address : 202.85.141.141

    inetnum: 202.85.141.138 - 202.85.141.201
    netname: CHANMUIPING-HK
    descr: CHAN MUI PING
    country: HK
    admin-c: CM600-AP
    tech-c: DI16-AP
    mnt-by: MAINT-HK-IS
    changed: hostmaster@iadvantage.net.hk 20020507
    status: UNSPECIFIED
    source: APNIC

    person: CHAN MUI PING IRINA
    address: PO BOX 68015
    address: KOWLOON EAST OFFICE
    address: KOWLOON
    country: HK
    phone: +852-97585654
    e-mail: icdsoft@icdsoft.com
    nic-hdl: CM600-AP
    mnt-by: MAINT-HK-IS
    changed: hostmaster@iadvantage.net.hk 20020507
    source: APNIC

    person: DNS IADVANTAGE
    address: MEGATOP,
    address: Mega-iAdvantage,
    address: 399 Chai Wan Road,
    address: Chai Wan, Hong Kong
    country: HK
    phone: +852-22088333
    fax-no: +852-22672237
    e-mail: dns@iadvantage.net
    nic-hdl: DI16-AP
    mnt-by: MAINT-HK-IS
    changed: hostmaster@iadvantage.net 20010807
    source: APNIC

    1. Re:Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nah, it's legit. This guy goes to my church in Rowayton. It's all good.

    2. Re:Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by trisweb · · Score: 1

      They host with someone in the Mega-iAdvantage building (it's a 24 story building dedicated to web hosting... something like 10,000 racks). It may be in HK, but it's $5 a month, and $4 a month after a year for insane features (PHP, MySQL, unlimited e-mails, SMTP, POP, subdomains, SSL, etc. etc.) and webspace (333MB) and bandwitdh (5GB)... if you don't mind the latency, it's decent for cheap. ;-)

      I hope the slashdotting of this site doesn't kill the whole building....

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    3. Re:Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the URL for the hoster?

    4. Re:Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where on their site does it say $5/month for hosting? The lowest I can get after converting from HK to US $ is about $180.

      Thanks!

    5. Re:Website hosted in HK... Fishy? by trisweb · · Score: 1

      Both for this and the above -- ICDSoft Is the host, and yes, it is $5 US per month, paid for in 12-month blocks for $60 each ($40 to renew after the first year, which is just an amazing deal).

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  65. Vaporware Patenting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sux the llama's purple ass!

    nuff said.
    ( Always wondered why i feel the need to post like a retard when i post anonymously.. oh well ;-)

  66. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 1
    [...] it looks more to me like they hope someone else will and that they can then sue them, based on having obtained a patent without actually inventing anything or provide the public any value in return for the patent.

    I can't say that I've ever done this, but it seems to me that if your intention was to patent something and hope that somebody else invents it you would want to keep the patent as quiet as possible. Setting up a website to try and advertise it and getting published on the NYT website and /. doesn't really seem to fit that MO.
    I'm really hoping they are gonna build something like this, if for no other reason that the "cool factor." With my limited knowledge, it certainly seems possible. And if they do, there will be working models to figure out how the device works so one doesn't need to try and decipher what's on file with the patent office when that limited time monopoly expires.
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  67. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    posts about moderation make baby jebus cry

  68. Holographic President by Bemmu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I especially liked the "Holographic President". The perfect solution to bloated executive salaries!

  69. Optical Illusion workaround by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, just assuming that this is a case in which they haven't invented anything, and it is actually a good idea [neither of which I feel able to judge], here is a workaround, NOW PUBLIC DOMAIN!

    Instead of making holographic keypads, make use of the double-parabolic-mirror optical illusion. You know the kind, shown in Edmund Scientific, where there are floating coins in the air. That is clearly not a hologram, but it would work just as well.

    If you feel at all inclined to make something, bookmark this reply!

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    1. Re:Optical Illusion workaround by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      dont need to. they patented a hologram projection. In reality, a tru image like that would never be a holographic projection as holograms are not really useable that way. painting a keypad in the air with lasers is certianly do-able.

      this "patent" is utter crap. they dont even have a clue how to do it so their patent is already invalid. (you CANT patent concepts.. it makes them un-enforceable)

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  70. Summary of actual hardware by asmithmd1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is a summary of some people who have a real live working invention, not something they just thought up that might be possible one day

  71. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    Can you read the patent and figure out how the "The holographic image generator 200" works?

    It's traditional film holography. Which (as I've posted elsewhere in this discussion) is woefully inadequate to meet their needs.

    If you're interested in how traditional film holography works, this site is pretty decent at a guide, including a home howto.

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  72. Much earlier reference by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

    The 1981 Harry Harrison" book 'Starworld' (book three of the 'To The Stars' trilogy) features a pendant computer with a holographic keyboard...

    I wonder if the Patent Office will accept SF as prior art..?

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  73. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by Soluxx · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the images in the patent. After seeing what they've drawn, the idea isn't as impressive as it sounds. It looks like a sheet of glass over a metal keyboard, with the glass showing a hologram of the keys.

  74. Prior Art by mr.nicholas · · Score: 1

    They're acquiring a patent, huh? Hm. Do TV shows that demonstrate this technology count as Prior Art? They hope not, because "Earth: Final Conflict" had this type of input device since season one.

    I personally disliked the show, but thought their UIs were right-on for a "futuristic" technology.

    Note: I also thought their "Globals" (handheld computers/communications devices) were well designed, too. I had guessed that they accurated predicted what our technological/design curve would end up being.

  75. Or maybe it isn't? by alumshubby · · Score: 1

    How about a combinatioon of visual and audio feedback? Make the holobutton change color and/or flash a little when "pressed," plus maybe play a .WAV file?

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  76. Easy patent to squash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of the company that attempted to patent waterbeds, but got it squashed due to it being in Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land". How many sci-fi movies and books before 1995 discuss holographic keyboards, etc? It doesn't exactly come across as an original idea...

  77. matrix by cheeseSource · · Score: 1

    Does this remind anyone of the white room that the ships have to go through to get to Zion in the Matrix Reloaded. You have to look at the pictures. Af first I thought these would just be holos over a table, but this is much more versatile. Especially if you mix this with the FOG screens over at arstechnica. That could create a pretty interactive environment.

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  78. but you can post on Slashdot even if a dolt by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
    You cant photograph a hologram, nor can you see it with only one eye.

    Bullshit! Some of the 3D effect that some holograms have is lost when viewed through one eye, but you can certainly see a hologram through one eye and you can certainly photograph one.

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  79. Like in comics! by William+Tanksley · · Score: 1

    I don't want the annoying sound, but DC-comics-style sound-captions would be ...um... welcome!

    *BING*
    **CLICK** /whammo/
    +POW+

    etc...

    -Billy

  80. Does the technology exist? by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, the article says it is being done by the Airforce, on heads up displays, right? If this is so, then yes, it can be done. As to a copyright, well, the HUD thing is prior art, right?

    Just some thoughts

    1. Re:Does the technology exist? by slackbp · · Score: 1

      Don't know about that, but would the use of holographic displays and controls in movies like Final Fantasy count as prior art?

  81. Killer App for PDA's by jafac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right now, the main limiting factor in PDA adoption (IMHO) is size. They're too darned big, they don't fit nicely into my pocket. Perhaps something the size of a credit card would be well protected in my wallet - but then the screen and input devices are too small -

    Hence - this device would be the savior of the PDA industry.

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    1. Re:Killer App for PDA's by ZZane · · Score: 1

      Watch "Time Traxx" much? The secondary character in the show was S.E.L.M.A... A credit-card sized (and shaped) PDA with a holographic display and voice/visual recognition (among other things).

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    2. Re:Killer App for PDA's by jafac · · Score: 1

      nope, never. Was SELMA hot? (imagine the pr0n. . . )

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  82. It's NOT vaporware.... by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...I saw it demonstrated at SIGGRAPH last week. They projected a keyboard on a surface, and you could go up to it and "type" on the projection.

    It worked quite well.

    1. Re:It's NOT vaporware.... by parkanoid · · Score: 1

      That's not the samce concept; a projection on a flat surface does not make a hologram. The little projection keyboards have been availible for some time now, and generalyl involve some lasers, but no holography.

  83. Re:That's Incredible! And missing! by frovingslosh · · Score: 1
    Incredible , as in lacking credibility. Says it all for this "invention" amd one eyed 3D TV.

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  84. Too bad it doesn't use some kind of mist... by Shoten · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then it would give new meaning to the term, "vaporware."

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  85. Stop the Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, for once and for all: PIN means "personal identification number". So when you or anyone else say "PIN NUMBER" what you're really saying is "personal identification number number".

    If you absolutely must put a sound in after the abbreviation "PIN", say "PIN Code". That, at least, is marginally acceptable and does not make the educated amongst us (small crowd on ./, true) wince with pain.

    1. Re:Stop the Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is this Dotslash you refer to? Are there nitpickers like you there?

    2. Re:Stop the Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and does not make the educated amongst us wince with pain

      The educated are doing just fine here. It's the pendatic that are having such troubles.

    3. Re:Stop the Insanity by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the grammer lesson, troll.

      I take it you like to correct people when they say "SSN Number" as well.

      How sad. You at least understood what I was conveying, right?

      Get a life.

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    4. Re:Stop the Insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL! Dotslash. Wow. His over-priced edu-ba-cation is showing.

  86. Patent? been done already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/18/131420 7&mode=nested

  87. Insert by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

    your favorite Gibson joke here. :)

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  88. Ok, I'll poke *you*! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

    Is it just the geek in me? When I visited the Pressroom link, noted in the article as "other sample applications", I expected to see pictures of things I could poke. I got:

    * A floating keypad in the driver's window. Located right where my vehicle is located when I merge onto the highway. Great, now I don't know if the guy pointing at me is letting me merge or calling dial-a-porn.

    * A doctor viewing what appears to be a movie -- note the VCR-style buttons. It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Lisa yells to Doctor Nick from the gallery: "Hey! The incision should be made below the blockage! Below!"

    * And finally, the smiling face and very, very glossy head of "HoloTouch President and founder R. Douglas McPheters". This, folks is the guy asking for your Venture Capital dollars. Of all the holograms on this page, this one is the one that makes me want to reach out and poke something.

    *honk* Gotcher nose!

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  89. Done before with a twist (Minus the patent) by stalbott972 · · Score: 1

    Anyone else imediatly think back to when this article was posted on Slashdot? More specifically the reference to Canesta and their projected keyboard. It seems like this guy has just basically taken the same thing and only patented it. Still kind of a intriguing idea!

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  90. Some people find computers 'mystical' now.... by gregmac · · Score: 1
    The light reaching your eyes is coming through the film and then traveling in a straight line from the film to your eyes.

    Just think what someone using a computer will look like to anyone who can't see the keyboard (which will probably be everyone but the user or people peering over his/her shoulder). Sitting in front of a little box, wiggling their fingers in the air...

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  91. De'ja Vu by filmsmith · · Score: 1

    Holographic images of what would otherwise be the computer keyboard, keypad or touch-screen are projected into the air in front of the equipment. An infra-red detector scans the plane of those holographic images to detect the intrusion of a finger into the desired portion of those images, identifies which number or symbol has been selected, and transmits that selection from the equipment's internal software, much the same way pressing a button on an ordinary computer keyboard or keypad would.

    I get the feeling they're trying to tell me something.

  92. "High Resolution Photos"? by JoeGee · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From their site:
    "To obtain high-resolution photos of HoloTouch in action, visit http://www.holotouch.biz/pressroom.htm."
    The images on that page aren't even cleverly disguised fakes. This is Pixelon repackaged. Go to the LED site, http://www.3dtv.tv/ referenced from their licensee's site. We get more creative imagery. Where's a real working product, again?
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  93. Hmmm... by filmsmith · · Score: 1

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  94. Re:"Cleverly Disguised", wtf? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    does "Cleverly Disguised" mean "so fucking obvious it's fake that slashdot should be banned from linking to things" now?

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  95. Pre-packaged comments by zapp · · Score: 1

    * This is vaporware, the patent system is worthless, rah rah rah!

    * Yey! Finally [fill in reference to movie like Minority Report or Final Fantasy Spirits Within]

    * Something funny

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  96. Finally. by shagoth · · Score: 1

    A keyboard that I'll be able to find no matter how much crap I stack on my desk.

  97. old news? by teknokracy · · Score: 1

    I used a similar system at the 2003 Detroit Auto show. Ford had an interesting kiosk set up consisting of a frosted plate of glass with an image projected on to it from behind, giving that "Minority Report" kind of look. Some kiosks had a plastic thing that went in a U shape around the bottom and sides which was about one foot from the screen. Move your hand around in there, up and down and sideways, and the cursor on screen would work. Now, this is how I would assume this technology works, though what has me confused is how they manage to project holograms in the air, something I've never seen before (in real time that is). A similar item, is the keyboard that is projected on to a table or any surface, but one hanging in the air, well thats a different story.

  98. iLoo finally has hygienic input device! by puddles · · Score: 2, Funny

    Remember the iLoo concept from Microsoft UK? This is THE perfect input device. :-)

  99. Another strange Slashdot! by SWTP_OS9 · · Score: 1

    There have been sterlizes keyboard for way over 20 years. Sill have one from Tasa that is touch sensitive and still works!

    The main question is what is projecting the darn thing in mid air? There are other companies with IR sensor for keyboard. One was from Isreal I think.

  100. Alternate picture by Megane · · Score: 1
    The original site is slashdotted, so here's an alternate picture of the technology in action. It's on geocities, so you'll have to enter the URL manually:

    http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/tmhp0/grupo/grupo114 .jpg

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  101. Whatever happened to tabletop projected keyboards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever happened to PDAs and the like projecting the image of a keyboard onto a flat surface (i.e., table), allowing you to type on the virtual keyboard? I could really use that.

  102. Fully working 3D Displays, available now... by Snooweatinganima · · Score: 1

    ...are wonderful things. Too bad that the mentioned holographic keypads are nothing more than patented science fiction.

    If I had money, baby, I'd create a star just for you

  103. Executive summary (for the clueless 99% of /.-ers) by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It seems that most people do not understand what the article is about (or they haven't read). Most of the comments here are either speculations about the terrible patent system or unreserved admiration of this super-technology. Here is the gist of it all.

    A usual film hologram (like those that have been around since 1940s) is made and placed somewhere.

    Light shines on the hologram, producing a 3D image (you have seen it many times).

    The image of the keypad is seen in front of the hologram (no, it doesn't float in the air, you have to look at the hologram to see it).

    Infrared sensors (like those in the projection keyboards) detect the movement of your fingers.

    The "key-press" is sent to the computer.

    The inventors explain very well what this keyboard is. It is not the keyboard from Minority Report. It is a keyboard to be used in places where you don't want to actually touch surfaces for one reason or another.

    This is an interesting invention that might prove useful in some areas.

    There is nothing bad about the patent. Although inventors don't need to have a working model to get the patent (for 2 hundreds years already), this company has a working prototype (seen at the top of the article in NYT).

    The media overstates the importance of this technology a bit.

    The company has good PR manager.

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  104. Inspired by Science Fiction by Starquake · · Score: 1

    'Earth: Final Conflict' featured this technology heavily, even for more complex tasks like flying a small air/space-craft. Always thought it looked pretty cool. Just another example of life imitating art. Er, make that corporations imitating tv.

  105. iLoo by k31bang · · Score: 1

    Prediction: HoloTouch will breath new life into the iLoo.

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  106. This whole thing looks like a snake oil by apankrat · · Score: 1

    To quote their press release:

    To obtain high-resolution photos of HoloTouch in action, visit http://www.holotouch.com/pressroom.htm.

    Perhaps my English is not that good, but doesn't this mean there is a working prototype ?

    Or did they actually mean to say 'hi-res images of HoloTouch in imaginery action' ?

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    1. Re:This whole thing looks like a snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked at the pictures, and they are 100% doctored. Just look at the picture of the doctors. They did a sloppy job with the guy on the right, you can see the pixels where they tried to layer him. The other image is obviously faked also: everything is out of focus and blurry from a long exposure where the projection should be (by looking at the angle).

      I can't belive they secured a patent. This isn't a unique idea, and no one in HoloTouch, Inc. has the engineering capacity to pull something like this off, especially when isn't a unique idea, and no one in HoloTouch, Inc. has the engineering capacity to pull something like this off, especially when they do such a crappy job with engineering the pictures.

      Luckily, I don't belive that someone can create a product to their patent's specifications, in a holographic image. If I am not mistaken, holographic images aren't projected, but I can't seem to find it in a dictionary. All I come up with is a document written in someones handwriting. Mabye this is why the patent office gave it to him=]

      The last few lines of the patent are way too broad:
      "Operator input into one or more devices to be controlled by the operator is provided through a holographic image of the keys or other input devices customarily actuated to provide input data to the system wherein actuation of the holographic image of the input devices is detected optically without tangible physical contact by the operator with a solid control object or control surface."

      I hope the patent gets revoked.

  107. Wow, he secured a patent, by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    that must have been tough, seeing that the USPTO issues patents on better ways to use a swingset, and improved methods of entertaining a cat.

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  108. forget holographics keypads, how 'bout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  109. all they need now is by m1chael · · Score: 0

    force feedback for holograms.

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  110. visual feedback by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

    What I imagine would be optimal would be a visual feedback that looked like you were pressing your finger into an LCD panel. The more you pressed (the deeper you went) the colors would become darker, more intense, and the surface area of the "blotch" would become larger.

  111. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by Alyred · · Score: 1

    Actually, looks to me that aside from their obviously-photoshopped pictures, the photo on the NYT website might be showing the standard hologram. If you take into account where he's sitting and the position of the camera, and the fact that you won't get the stereoscopic 3d effect from a single-lens camera, the little prototype box might very well be displaying a holo a couple of inches above where the "glass" is. No great feat in this case (I remember playing Time Traveller 10 years or more ago using that tech,) but as others have said the patent's more about the input method than the holography itself.

  112. No, he is wearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is also wearing one of those spiffy new Slashdot t-shirts
    (the one with a Goatse on the back and the front covered with graphics that look like pizza stains so it all blends in).

  113. Re:It's absolutely vaporware!!! by klocwerk · · Score: 1

    What you saw was a projector not a hologram.
    I'd find the link but I'm too lazy.
    There's a major difference between projecting a keyboard onto a surface with a red laser, and projecting a 3d hologram.

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  114. 3 words: by Tokerat · · Score: 1


    Ultimate interactive pr0n.

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  115. Holotouch's lovely illustrations ... by JoeGee · · Score: 1

    ... don't show that the surgeons are really attempting to remove the active holographic plastic projection sheet that is somehow lodged in their patient's midsection. Their holodeck was obviously operating with its safeties disengaged.

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  116. Are you pointing at me? by spike+it · · Score: 1

    Imagine dialing a phone number on your holographic keypad in your car, as pictured here - http://www.holotouch.com/technology.htm. Methinks you'll be getting lots of dirty looks from people on the highway as you dial numbers! "Are you pointing at ME??"

  117. Maybe they should talk to... by Robotz · · Score: 1

    http://www.fogscreen.com/

  118. Force Fields of Course by turgid · · Score: 1

    Perhaps they should just tap off an ant-eye matter stream from the warp core generator to create small force-fields where the buttons are supposed to be?

    1. Re:Force Fields of Course by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 1

      That would never work. They'd have to reverse the polarity of the tetrion particle stream.

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  119. No need for tangible by Lord_Breetai · · Score: 1

    Cool, finally. The technology to have Washuu's laptop. ^_^

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  120. Re: No its Holoware by el_jake · · Score: 1

    I believe Holoware is the same thing as Vaporware!

    Just a bit more transparent.

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  121. It's legit by bstoneaz · · Score: 1

    There is a differentation here - he's likely has a working prototype of his invention (sensor for holographic display), but his invention is contingent on the existance of a holographic display for it to be coupled with. You can have an invention contingent on a non-existant technology as long as it's within the real of possibility. So as long as someone comes up with a usable holo-display in the next 20 yrs he has a shot at making money off the patent.

  122. Patent by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

    "HoloTouch already managed to secure the patent on its technology"

    Man, Bezos is going to be pissed. How did R & D miss that one?!

  123. But is it really usable? by indefinite · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem with this and any other "picture in the air" technologies when it comes to interaction is that there is no force feedback.

    Touch plays an important role in interaction by providing us with feedback without us having to think about it. Without that sensation, we would have to either concentrate on our interaction or constrain to to a very limited and well defined space. As the science of interaction is becoming more mature now-a-days, it is becoming generally understood that interaction should be natural and thoughtless. Hovering controls go directly against that principle.

    Force feedback plays another important role. It is connected to the previous point yet resulting is a slightly different result. Force feedback makes interaction less physically straining. Waving hands in mid air is very tiring for any but very short interactions. This becomes especially tiring when the movements have to be so controlled as to operate such small controls as buttons.

    With these points in mind, is is hard for me to be excited about this technology. I doubt it will be of any use, except for certain niche applications.

  124. 100th story submission! Congrats! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

    So it's totally off-topic, and the story's off the main pages so nobody will even read this comment... but I was just checking out the Slashdot Hall of Fame, and noticed that prostoalex just scored his 100th story submission with this article, putting him on top of the HOF by a good 23 articles ahead of his nearest competitor.

    And I thought I was doing good with my 3-for-5 record!

    His site looks cool... well, the main page is in Russian, but it still looks cool. I'm getting a kick out of his job interview section... I call myself a VB coder, but many of the questions in this section threw me for a loop -- I've been coding the same app *way* too long! It's going to be a must-read before I try to land a new gig (and a reminder why I'm staying put).

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  125. HoloTouch President! by taped2thedesk · · Score: 1
    From the HoloTouch Press Room:

    THESE HIGH-RESOLUTION IMAGES ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST:

    HoloTouch(TM) cellphone (1MB)
    HoloTouch(TM) operating room (370k)
    HoloTouch President and founder R. Douglas McPheters, courtesy The Hour (424k)
    A Holographic President... maybe they should license this to the government.

    [This is probably funnier if you go to the page and see the photos...]

  126. Re:USPTO USPOT? USOPT? SCAM? by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1

    Not to mention the fact that their web site's 'photos' are _EXTREMELY_ misleading.