As a simple example, consider LAN parties. Instead of having to lug around a minitower, you can simply bring your small PS2, running linux and all versions of Quake. Plus, it's got tons of graphics computing power. And Sony even sells really nice backpacks to hold the box. So load your computer into your backpack, put your LCD in one hand, and off you go.
And when everyone is bored from getting fragged, you can play GT3;-)
For the home entertainment enthusiasts, having Linux on the PS2 means they can browse the web from their TV without having to A) get up and go to their computer or B) have a computer in their home entertainment center.
Without an X server for the PS2, _really_ is pointless. You can get more computing power for the same price. The reason anyone would buy a PS2 is that it's a special computer designed for doing graphics. They have done hardware optomization on par with Carmack's software optomization.
So buying on of these and doing nothing with it but running a terminal would be kind of silly...unless of course you want to go and to tons of graphics programming in SVGAlib.
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The Japanese version does not come with a hard drive. The Linux Kit includes a combo hard drive/ethernet, mouse, keyboard, video/audio adapter, and Linux DVD.
The main difference between the Jap version is that everything is in Japanese. The other big thing is that some Jap versions come with a Type III PCMCIA slot, which Sony had scrapped in favor of some proprietary interface long before the PS2 began selling in the US.
I can tell from you nick and your sig that even if we were having an argument about why Doritos are better than Pringles, you would find some way to make your argument by quoting part of the Constitution.
It's absolutely true that kids _can_ implement complex systems in C - I would bet, given that kids have a lot of free time, that a good portion of open source software has been written by 15-year olds.
But you're missing my point completely. Yes, kids can implement complex software. Can and I am sure HAVE. But we don't hear about them, for the sole reason that a 15 year old who implements a browser in GTK and admins its CVS site on Sourceforge is not "newsworthy" in this country.
What _is_ newsworthy in this country is a 13 year old who uses AOL to buy some penny stocks, uses email to drive the price of those stocks up, and then gets busted by the SEC. It's unbelievable, its sensationalitsic, and it is what, in this messed up country of ours, passes as news.
"The ninth amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Somebody said earlier that adults control the government and the military, but by this amendment, they are not allowed to deny anyone their rights, even if they are public servants. And that's the key phrase: public servants."
What the hell has this got to do with the present discussion? You should consider posting this type of material at law websites, for perhaps it will be germane there.
Second, yes, kids do have too much power today.
Think of how full of piss and vinegar you were when you were 17, and then think about all the experience in life you've gained since then.
Remember that old saying, "Knowledge is power"?
Well, that's true, but that's only half the story.
The corollary to that saying is "But it is only powerful if you have the wisdom to use it."
As an example for us nerds reading this, consider something as simple as the C language.
You can sit down in an afternoon and read Kernighan and Ritchie's C Programming. Officially, you now "know" C. But can you do anything useful with it? NO. You don't really "know" C until you have implemented a complex system with it.
The 'Net empowers all people. But some kids lack that maturity and experience in life to be able to use this empowerment wisely. As an obvious example, consider all of the script kiddies running around, downloading tools off of the net, clogging up the web and defacing websites. These kids actually think being "leet" is worthwhile.
Highly debatable. I read that LCD's produce NO emission's in Phil Zimmerman's Introduction to Cryptography (its a PDF that comes with PGP). I am trusting Zimmerman on this, but seeing as how I trust his program (PGP) and the FBI's statements prove its security, I really have no trouble trusting him on this.
At any rate, it's better than CRT. And unless you want to construct your own Tempest shield, it's really the only feasible option.
From the Court Order: Normal investigative procedures to decrypt the codes and keys necessary to decipher the "factors" encrypted computer file have been tried and have failed"
They couldn't break PGP. PGP _is_ secure. So they broke his computer, which is not secure. They have not said specifically if they used hard or soft methods - they may have used a hidden program, or they may have used Tempest technology.
For all of you mafioso reading, keep this case in your mind. Do all of your illegal activities on a laptop, and take it with you every where you go. The FBI can't install software on a laptop they can't get to, and they can't pick up tempest radiation off an LCD.
The Japanese Linux Kit includes USB keyboard and mouse (in black of course - let's not forget that Linus's first PC was a black Sinclair QL), 40GB Hard Drive, and 10/100 ethernet combo. It sells for $200 in Japan.
So let's do the math: $300 for the PS2, $200 for the Kit, and $300 for a nice 17-19" monitor (its gotta be black tho;).
Yes, you can get a PC for this price, but this will be a PC as well as a PS2. Plus, it runs linux (and its black;). And you can't get a PC for this cost that will turn 6.2 gigaflops.
My question is this: what in the hell is that port on the back? The early Jap versions had an actual PCMCIA Type III slot. I've no idea what the hell the thing on the back is now, but from what I've seen, the hard drive/ethernet combo "plugs" into it.
I'm mostly curious about the X server for it. I've seen screenshots of the PS2 running WindowMaker. It's not hard to port Linux to the MIPS, but I would love to know how they're driving video. Does it use Mesa or just plain OpenGL?
/me prays for a Sony PS2-Linux kit for the SCPH-30001.
Read the rest of my post. I said the Linux Desktop is strong now, because we are developing browsers and Office apps. There is a ton of development activity within the Linux Desktop range. I was contending that even without Linux companies, Linux Development is still strong and growing stronger.
You also shot yourself in the foot. I mentioned the growing success of LInux Office applications, and then you tried to slam Linux by stating that it is not a productive platform. The fact that we have more and more Office apps proves that more and more people can be productive with it.
What can I do with Linux that I can't do with Windows? How bout go a week without rebooting my box? Since we're talking browsers, how bout printing web pages to postscript files, and then using a simple script to turn them into PDF files? I can do that for free in Linux; I would have to buy Acrobat to do that in Windows.
And lastly MS IE integration. Again, you proved my point: in Windows, you have the "choice" of pretty much one browser. The options are much better in the OSS world.
SuSE is laying off more people, both RedHat and VA Linux's stocks are way down. I also heard a rumor (I think over at Linux magazine) that Redhat et al. are about to start charging per-CPU licenses. Add to this that SGI recently laid off a lot of its (XFS!) staff, and I am starting to worry about the future of free-OS distros.
That said, Linux has never looked stronger. We now have FOUR browsers - Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, and Konqueror. Plus plenty of Office apps. And I recently read another atricle that shows how Linux is taking over the graphics-workstation desktop (at Pixar, etc).
I can only hope that the current decline in the vitality of OSS companies is parallel to that of the entire tech industry, and nothing more.
Math notwithstanding, the previous set cost X dollars and included a book I could not use. This set has 5 books I can use. How does that constitute paying 4% more for each book?
for the search engine? I honestly can't think of a better cross-platform method for a book index.
I will probably buy this set now that they have removed the Win32 book. I don't recall how much the first edition was, but I remember that having 20% of the cost go to a book I was never going to use seemed ridiculous.
And Kudos to O'Reilly for doing e-books. ALL of their books should be available this way. It is best to learn things in front of the computer, but switching between keyboard and mouse is enough of a hassle, adding a book (and having to hold down pages with one hand) is a major pain in the ass when you are trying to learn something new. It's much easier to just tab between the book window and your editor.
yeah, and screw that X-Windows crap. REAL GEEKS use only the terminal, and when we must, we hard-code GUI apps in SVGAlib.
What planet are you on? The *point* of free software is that you can modify it (so it looks cool). Eye-candy is just one of the many perks. So if you are using OSS, why are you still pretending you're on a closed-source DOS machine?
for selling all those explosives and other roadrunner-lethal devices to Wile E. Coyote.
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of this movie. Who cares whether or not they were robots or aliens at the end? Who cares about Asimov's rules? Who cares about the societal implications of AI on humanity?
The point that both Kubrick and Spielberg were trying to make is this: in the future, you won't have to put up with your bitchy girlfriend anymore, because there will be a "Lover Series" of robots.
You guys go ahead and argue about Robotics Laws. Go ahead and spend money on DVD burners and 1.7 GHz Athlons. From this moment on I'm saving up my money in hopes that before I die the Lover Series will hit the streets. You guys feel free to invite each other over and show off your latest tech toys.
Meanwhile, I plan on being the first on my block with his own robo-harem.
Sorry kids, but this ain't news:
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FreeBSD has been available on DVD for _quite_ some time. Specifically, it has been available since at least 2.2.6 (circa 1997/8). I know this because FreeBSD was the first ever (FREE) *NIX distro I ever bought, and I knew jack about UNIX at the time, so I also bought Greg Lehey's excellent "The Complete FreeBSD" along with it.
And right there it the back of the book is a rip-out order form for FreeBSD on DVD. Granted, it was $100 at the time (the four-CD distro was only $40), but it was still available.
It's taken/. _quite_ a long time to cover this story:)
You are so stupid, in fact, that we have invented things like paper clips to show you how to use our products. We doubt you even know what RAM is, let alone would you need the source code to our operating system so that you might modify it.
Our software works perfectly anyway, so there is no need for you, the stupid user, to modify it.
We are smart. We will do everything for you. We will tell you what choices you need to have and we will decide what options to give you. You are stupid. You have no idea what you need or what you should have, and you should leave it up to us to tell you how and in what way you should use a computer.
But don't feel bad about your stupidity, for you are not alone. We at Microsoft are well aware that our nation's entire judicial system is just as stupid as you are. That's why we, the Smart(tm) people of Microsoft, in spite of an ongoing antitrust trial, have released Windows and Office XP, which has ten times the antitrust issues of our previous products.
We are Microsoft are the only smart people. We will win our antitrust suits because we are smarter than everyone else.
Don't waste your stupid time on other operating systems. You are too stupid to understand them, and the people who developed those stupid operating systems are too stupid to provide a product that can ever be anything clsoe to ours.
You are stupid. You should really, really leave this technical stuff up to us. Just do what we tell you to do, and buy our stuff when we tell you to buy it. And don't complain about a lack of options, either: You are stupid. Too many options would confuse you.
As a Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) member...Now MS is requiring the technically savy to sign up.
I know/. has been down due to a router problem recently, so I guess I missed the article where it was decided that "MS Developer" and "technically savvy" are no longer mutually exclusive terms;-)
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Thing is, if you wanna use it, you sorta gotta know Japanese ;-)
And when everyone is bored from getting fragged, you can play GT3 ;-)
For the home entertainment enthusiasts, having Linux on the PS2 means they can browse the web from their TV without having to A) get up and go to their computer or B) have a computer in their home entertainment center.
So buying on of these and doing nothing with it but running a terminal would be kind of silly...unless of course you want to go and to tons of graphics programming in SVGAlib.
The main difference between the Jap version is that everything is in Japanese. The other big thing is that some Jap versions come with a Type III PCMCIA slot, which Sony had scrapped in favor of some proprietary interface long before the PS2 began selling in the US.
I can tell from you nick and your sig that even if we were having an argument about why Doritos are better than Pringles, you would find some way to make your argument by quoting part of the Constitution.
It's absolutely true that kids _can_ implement complex systems in C - I would bet, given that kids have a lot of free time, that a good portion of open source software has been written by 15-year olds.
But you're missing my point completely. Yes, kids can implement complex software. Can and I am sure HAVE. But we don't hear about them, for the sole reason that a 15 year old who implements a browser in GTK and admins its CVS site on Sourceforge is not "newsworthy" in this country.
What _is_ newsworthy in this country is a 13 year old who uses AOL to buy some penny stocks, uses email to drive the price of those stocks up, and then gets busted by the SEC. It's unbelievable, its sensationalitsic, and it is what, in this messed up country of ours, passes as news.
"The ninth amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Somebody said earlier that adults control the government and the military, but by this amendment, they are not allowed to deny anyone their rights, even if they are public servants. And that's the key phrase: public servants."
What the hell has this got to do with the present discussion? You should consider posting this type of material at law websites, for perhaps it will be germane there.
and here is an interesting link.
Second, yes, kids do have too much power today. Think of how full of piss and vinegar you were when you were 17, and then think about all the experience in life you've gained since then.
Remember that old saying, "Knowledge is power"? Well, that's true, but that's only half the story. The corollary to that saying is "But it is only powerful if you have the wisdom to use it."
As an example for us nerds reading this, consider something as simple as the C language. You can sit down in an afternoon and read Kernighan and Ritchie's C Programming. Officially, you now "know" C. But can you do anything useful with it? NO. You don't really "know" C until you have implemented a complex system with it.
The 'Net empowers all people. But some kids lack that maturity and experience in life to be able to use this empowerment wisely. As an obvious example, consider all of the script kiddies running around, downloading tools off of the net, clogging up the web and defacing websites. These kids actually think being "leet" is worthwhile.
There's got to be a legal basis for it somewhere.
just ask for their Slashdot ID, and then you can evaluate their competence based on their comments and their karma ;-)
At any rate, it's better than CRT. And unless you want to construct your own Tempest shield, it's really the only feasible option.
They couldn't break PGP. PGP _is_ secure. So they broke his computer, which is not secure. They have not said specifically if they used hard or soft methods - they may have used a hidden program, or they may have used Tempest technology.
For all of you mafioso reading, keep this case in your mind. Do all of your illegal activities on a laptop, and take it with you every where you go. The FBI can't install software on a laptop they can't get to, and they can't pick up tempest radiation off an LCD.
it's always fun to read the latest articles on slashdot, so I can see the pages that I will actually be able to load 6-24 hours from now ;)
So let's do the math: $300 for the PS2, $200 for the Kit, and $300 for a nice 17-19" monitor (its gotta be black tho ;).
Yes, you can get a PC for this price, but this will be a PC as well as a PS2. Plus, it runs linux (and its black;). And you can't get a PC for this cost that will turn 6.2 gigaflops.
My question is this: what in the hell is that port on the back? The early Jap versions had an actual PCMCIA Type III slot. I've no idea what the hell the thing on the back is now, but from what I've seen, the hard drive/ethernet combo "plugs" into it.
I'm mostly curious about the X server for it. I've seen screenshots of the PS2 running WindowMaker. It's not hard to port Linux to the MIPS, but I would love to know how they're driving video. Does it use Mesa or just plain OpenGL?
apt-get new_candidates
You also shot yourself in the foot. I mentioned the growing success of LInux Office applications, and then you tried to slam Linux by stating that it is not a productive platform. The fact that we have more and more Office apps proves that more and more people can be productive with it.
What can I do with Linux that I can't do with Windows? How bout go a week without rebooting my box? Since we're talking browsers, how bout printing web pages to postscript files, and then using a simple script to turn them into PDF files? I can do that for free in Linux; I would have to buy Acrobat to do that in Windows.
And lastly MS IE integration. Again, you proved my point: in Windows, you have the "choice" of pretty much one browser. The options are much better in the OSS world.
That said, Linux has never looked stronger. We now have FOUR browsers - Netscape, Mozilla, Galeon, and Konqueror. Plus plenty of Office apps. And I recently read another atricle that shows how Linux is taking over the graphics-workstation desktop (at Pixar, etc).
I can only hope that the current decline in the vitality of OSS companies is parallel to that of the entire tech industry, and nothing more.
Anyone have any input on this?
Math notwithstanding, the previous set cost X dollars and included a book I could not use. This set has 5 books I can use. How does that constitute paying 4% more for each book?
I will probably buy this set now that they have removed the Win32 book. I don't recall how much the first edition was, but I remember that having 20% of the cost go to a book I was never going to use seemed ridiculous.
And Kudos to O'Reilly for doing e-books. ALL of their books should be available this way. It is best to learn things in front of the computer, but switching between keyboard and mouse is enough of a hassle, adding a book (and having to hold down pages with one hand) is a major pain in the ass when you are trying to learn something new. It's much easier to just tab between the book window and your editor.
It's nice to see that in 2001, Microsoft have finally figured out that case sensitivity *does* matter.
What planet are you on? The *point* of free software is that you can modify it (so it looks cool). Eye-candy is just one of the many perks. So if you are using OSS, why are you still pretending you're on a closed-source DOS machine?
for selling all those explosives and other roadrunner-lethal devices to Wile E. Coyote.
The point that both Kubrick and Spielberg were trying to make is this: in the future, you won't have to put up with your bitchy girlfriend anymore, because there will be a "Lover Series" of robots.
You guys go ahead and argue about Robotics Laws. Go ahead and spend money on DVD burners and 1.7 GHz Athlons. From this moment on I'm saving up my money in hopes that before I die the Lover Series will hit the streets. You guys feel free to invite each other over and show off your latest tech toys.
Meanwhile, I plan on being the first on my block with his own robo-harem.
And right there it the back of the book is a rip-out order form for FreeBSD on DVD. Granted, it was $100 at the time (the four-CD distro was only $40), but it was still available.
It's taken /. _quite_ a long time to cover this story :)
Our software works perfectly anyway, so there is no need for you, the stupid user, to modify it.
We are smart. We will do everything for you. We will tell you what choices you need to have and we will decide what options to give you. You are stupid. You have no idea what you need or what you should have, and you should leave it up to us to tell you how and in what way you should use a computer.
But don't feel bad about your stupidity, for you are not alone. We at Microsoft are well aware that our nation's entire judicial system is just as stupid as you are. That's why we, the Smart(tm) people of Microsoft, in spite of an ongoing antitrust trial, have released Windows and Office XP, which has ten times the antitrust issues of our previous products.
We are Microsoft are the only smart people. We will win our antitrust suits because we are smarter than everyone else.
Don't waste your stupid time on other operating systems. You are too stupid to understand them, and the people who developed those stupid operating systems are too stupid to provide a product that can ever be anything clsoe to ours.
You are stupid. You should really, really leave this technical stuff up to us. Just do what we tell you to do, and buy our stuff when we tell you to buy it. And don't complain about a lack of options, either: You are stupid. Too many options would confuse you.
I know /. has been down due to a router problem recently, so I guess I missed the article where it was decided that "MS Developer" and "technically savvy" are no longer mutually exclusive terms ;-)