I don't think the key has the mileage on it. It does have the vin or some kind of serial on it. Whenever I bring the car in, they check the mileage on the dash.
That aside, the whole point of the article was about how the cipher is breakable, so in theory, someone could pretend to be the key in all virtual senses. My point was that the physical key still adds a degree of difficulty when stealing.
-05 mcc
While it may be simple to break the code on the chip, you still need a copy of the key unless the car is push-button-ignition.
These days, many high-end car keys are CNC cut (my mini's key has huuuuuge tooling marks from a spindle-out-of-square), which will actually cause a bit of trouble. This isn't something you could easily do a putty-transfer on, nor does the group of people who spend a lot of time breaking cyphers typically overlap with the group of people who have and can work with CNC equipment.
In the end, I think flatbedding the car is the way to go. All the big chop shops are doing this now. If you're small-time, carjack. Alternately, get a real job.
That is roughly equal to 13,125 sq. miles - Larger than the state of Maryland, among others. (according to http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.s html ). Are there even that many undeveloped, practical miles left in the US? Are they in areas which would foster this kind of growth?
I'd say pave over New Jersey, but it isn't big enough!
I am all for new energy ideas. A thesis of mine involved a solar tower placed on Staten Island, NY's Fresh Kills Landfill. This, however, sounds even *less* practical.
It is a tiny server, mostly unimportant (except to my division), and after i got it back up and running, I discovered that automatic updates were set to download and install automatically and silently.
So I'm left to wonder (and may never find out)... Did the update cause the problem/break the partition table, or did the act of the reboot due to the update simply point out the issue which was caused by an unrelated issue? The system was up for quite some time until that update....
on a[n] [un]related note, the win2003 server at the company I work for had its partition table corrupted by wednesday morning. Last time the server was alive was midnight tuesday. They can't figure out what happened, other than "some updates were installed".
I rebuilt the partitions with some magical software. Everything seems to be okay at this point. Anyone know if this is related? The only unusual thing that happened to this otherwise "reliable" server were the updates.
Certainly they're expected. I was kind of hoping for a system that is a little more open than the one we have. "Here's the data on this alleged criminal. Here's how we got it. Here's when we got it. Here's how we got it (with issues to protect the undercover). Here's 20 unrelated people who can confirm it. This is, AFAIK, how it was supposed to work. Jury of ones' peers? Now, all you ever hear about are stories where volumes of evidence and certain words are disallowed for one reason or another, and rarely does it seem that the disallowing works in the favor of the person whose life is about to be ruined.
This is my main argument against the whole "we know what we're doing with this power" argument being put forward.
We, as citizens, have no idea why these records were sought, and what was done with them. Were they altered? Were the requests ultimately put to use that saved lives or harmed them? How many made it through without being caught? How will we ever know for sure?
The example for restricting power I like to put forward for arguments sake:
Lets say you're, say, 35 years old, recently divorced, ready to move on and find yourself a new girl. Looking around, you meet someone in a bar, she's recently divorced too. Things are going well for the two of you, when all of a sudden, some charges are brought up on you. Turns out, her former husband is employed at [pick your favorite cloak and dagger agency], and not happy about his wife dating again.
Are these charges real? are they made up?
Of course, I'm not proposing that this searching power will only be used for such purposes, or that fraudulent data could be put in, but where is the recourse for when some unhinged person attempts to abuse their position?
Similarly, lets say you're in a car accident with the son/daughter of a similarly employed person. They have unknown, potentially damaging power to affect your life and cause you serious trouble in an effort to change the outcome of the situation/extract revenge.
This kind of unchecked power *will* be abused. BOFHs aren't just in server rooms, they're in every employment position imaginable, and there is a nonzero percentage of them who will abuse their position for any reason. I've only given two, I'm certain you can think of many, many more!
seventeen miles? I went to look at the pictures, but i don't see anything that comes close to seventeen miles. Certainly, i don't doubt it, but not knowing much about particle accelerators and supercolliders, i am very curious to get the big picture. If something is seven-teen-miles long, or around, or deep or high, wow, do i really want to see it. or an overlay of it on a map if it is underground!
Perhaps it is just the structural engineer side of me, but i would love to know more about how they made something that large.
Augmenting their direct-sales practice is not necessarily out of desperation. Adding stores could increase sales, and if they think it will, then they should!
I don't, however, see how they'd succeed where gateway et al. failed.
Even the local compu-brew has a hard time keeping on without screwing grandma for a new mouse and keyboard.
So we're expecting a flood of people complaining about how they are offering one specific distro, and none others. The big worry here was that few people would be happy with whatever 1 distro was picked, and picking many, and subsequently supporting them, would be a problem.
so my question: As I feel about it - I was under the impression that the idea behind getting linux pre-loaded was that you simply aren't paying for an OS you don't want. IIRC, it has been awhile, or it has never been possible, to get a blank HD with your system from dell. Personally, I think this would be the best option. Linux, configured totally-not-the-way-I-want -it would be one step better, as I'm not shelling out the $235345 for windows, which I'm just going to delete anyway.
Don't get me started on how when a relative or co-worker buys one of these things, you have to format the computer just to get rid of all of the annoyware that comes with it. (Mcafee! Musicmatch jukebox? Qualcomm service agreement? WTF is this agreement that comes pre-installed and pre-agreed to? )
Am I under the wrong impression here, or can we be happy just to not have windows pre-loaded, and not be paying for something that is going to get deleted?
Do we really have to argue about whether or not Ubuntu was the way to go? I can't imagine a single person in this crowd who would be happy with the way dell will set it up, and if the argument is that it will introduce linux to the masses, well, I just don't see that happening. The only people who don't already know what they're doing who wind up ordering a dell box with linux already on it are only going to order it because of the cost discount.
Then they'll do one of two things:
Ask you to show them how to use it (ugh)
pirate/buy windows.
So, my original question: We're happy because this primarily means not paying for windows when we're not using it, right? What other benefits are there?
So there are a few directions this could take, here's the ones i can think of:
1) They unlock certain songs, and shortly thereafter, claim these songs are now more-heavily pirated, and use it for justification to sell more DRM to recording agencies
2) Same as #1, except they claim the songs are not selling better, and declare that DRM isn't an obstruction
3) they still include some kind of DRM but call it something else
4) They've actually seen the light, and are now going to try to innovate instead of regulate.
Did I miss any?
P.S. I don't have a lot of confidence in 4).
I frequently take things I've found in bathrooms and put them in corresponding ports. Seriously, USB key, or, really, anything else, who is taking things they find lying around (in bathrooms!) and putting them in their computers? This might just give script kiddies the idea of a brand new way to start spreading worms...
I'm not sure if i'm trying to be serious or gross, here, but i do know i would not be putting a found USB key in any box of mine (esp. if it is running windows...)
Similarly, what kind of format are these being left in? MP3? WMA? something with some nasty DRM?
I wonder if double jeopardy laws would apply to such a situation in this country. I suppose it has everything to do with how the case was initially dismissed.
Either way, somehow, I have a feeling that the outcome will be totally different from what it would have been if this case did not have the publicity it is going to have...
Shouldn't the ISPs roll out innovative service in areas where it is likely to catch on, and not areas where it is likely to be unused?
I'm all for the ISPs having to commit to/document the speeds they're offering, however.
Furthermore, can't you call an ISP and ask if they have service in a certain area at the moment?
These folks use a CNC router designed and built by the company i work for. A quick search of their website turns up the reason they decided to go with us...
Project: Acquisition of Sculpture Scanning-Carving Machine
Purpose: To acquire a computer numerical control (CNC) router, which will create enlargements of our miniature sculpture models by automatically scanning the prototype and then carving the design out of a sturdy material in its full-scale form
Specifics: Please pray for wisdom and contacts to purchase the right CNC router.
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I don't think the key has the mileage on it. It does have the vin or some kind of serial on it. Whenever I bring the car in, they check the mileage on the dash.
That aside, the whole point of the article was about how the cipher is breakable, so in theory, someone could pretend to be the key in all virtual senses. My point was that the physical key still adds a degree of difficulty when stealing.
-05 mcc
While it may be simple to break the code on the chip, you still need a copy of the key unless the car is push-button-ignition.
These days, many high-end car keys are CNC cut (my mini's key has huuuuuge tooling marks from a spindle-out-of-square), which will actually cause a bit of trouble. This isn't something you could easily do a putty-transfer on, nor does the group of people who spend a lot of time breaking cyphers typically overlap with the group of people who have and can work with CNC equipment.
In the end, I think flatbedding the car is the way to go. All the big chop shops are doing this now. If you're small-time, carjack. Alternately, get a real job.
What about cars running windows "automotive"?t .mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsautomotive/defaul
There seems to be some overlap here...
oh man... "windows automotive". -shudder-
That is roughly equal to 13,125 sq. miles - Larger than the state of Maryland, among others. (according to http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/area.s html ). Are there even that many undeveloped, practical miles left in the US? Are they in areas which would foster this kind of growth?
I'd say pave over New Jersey, but it isn't big enough!
I am all for new energy ideas. A thesis of mine involved a solar tower placed on Staten Island, NY's Fresh Kills Landfill. This, however, sounds even *less* practical.
It is a tiny server, mostly unimportant (except to my division), and after i got it back up and running, I discovered that automatic updates were set to download and install automatically and silently.
So I'm left to wonder (and may never find out)... Did the update cause the problem/break the partition table, or did the act of the reboot due to the update simply point out the issue which was caused by an unrelated issue? The system was up for quite some time until that update....
on a[n] [un]related note, the win2003 server at the company I work for had its partition table corrupted by wednesday morning. Last time the server was alive was midnight tuesday. They can't figure out what happened, other than "some updates were installed".
I rebuilt the partitions with some magical software. Everything seems to be okay at this point. Anyone know if this is related? The only unusual thing that happened to this otherwise "reliable" server were the updates.
Certainly they're expected. I was kind of hoping for a system that is a little more open than the one we have. "Here's the data on this alleged criminal. Here's how we got it. Here's when we got it. Here's how we got it (with issues to protect the undercover). Here's 20 unrelated people who can confirm it. This is, AFAIK, how it was supposed to work. Jury of ones' peers? Now, all you ever hear about are stories where volumes of evidence and certain words are disallowed for one reason or another, and rarely does it seem that the disallowing works in the favor of the person whose life is about to be ruined.
This is my main argument against the whole "we know what we're doing with this power" argument being put forward.
We, as citizens, have no idea why these records were sought, and what was done with them. Were they altered? Were the requests ultimately put to use that saved lives or harmed them? How many made it through without being caught? How will we ever know for sure?
The example for restricting power I like to put forward for arguments sake:
Lets say you're, say, 35 years old, recently divorced, ready to move on and find yourself a new girl. Looking around, you meet someone in a bar, she's recently divorced too. Things are going well for the two of you, when all of a sudden, some charges are brought up on you.
Turns out, her former husband is employed at [pick your favorite cloak and dagger agency], and not happy about his wife dating again.
Are these charges real? are they made up?
Of course, I'm not proposing that this searching power will only be used for such purposes, or that fraudulent data could be put in, but where is the recourse for when some unhinged person attempts to abuse their position?
Similarly, lets say you're in a car accident with the son/daughter of a similarly employed person. They have unknown, potentially damaging power to affect your life and cause you serious trouble in an effort to change the outcome of the situation/extract revenge.
This kind of unchecked power *will* be abused. BOFHs aren't just in server rooms, they're in every employment position imaginable, and there is a nonzero percentage of them who will abuse their position for any reason. I've only given two, I'm certain you can think of many, many more!
Dawn is attempting to explore Vesta. Cancel or Allow?
seventeen miles? I went to look at the pictures, but i don't see anything that comes close to seventeen miles. Certainly, i don't doubt it, but not knowing much about particle accelerators and supercolliders, i am very curious to get the big picture. If something is seven-teen-miles long, or around, or deep or high, wow, do i really want to see it. or an overlay of it on a map if it is underground!
Perhaps it is just the structural engineer side of me, but i would love to know more about how they made something that large.
Augmenting their direct-sales practice is not necessarily out of desperation. Adding stores could increase sales, and if they think it will, then they should!
I don't, however, see how they'd succeed where gateway et al. failed.
Even the local compu-brew has a hard time keeping on without screwing grandma for a new mouse and keyboard.
So we're expecting a flood of people complaining about how they are offering one specific distro, and none others. The big worry here was that few people would be happy with whatever 1 distro was picked, and picking many, and subsequently supporting them, would be a problem.
so my question: As I feel about it - I was under the impression that the idea behind getting linux pre-loaded was that you simply aren't paying for an OS you don't want. IIRC, it has been awhile, or it has never been possible, to get a blank HD with your system from dell. Personally, I think this would be the best option. Linux, configured totally-not-the-way-I-want -it would be one step better, as I'm not shelling out the $235345 for windows, which I'm just going to delete anyway.
Don't get me started on how when a relative or co-worker buys one of these things, you have to format the computer just to get rid of all of the annoyware that comes with it. (Mcafee! Musicmatch jukebox? Qualcomm service agreement? WTF is this agreement that comes pre-installed and pre-agreed to? )
Am I under the wrong impression here, or can we be happy just to not have windows pre-loaded, and not be paying for something that is going to get deleted?
Do we really have to argue about whether or not Ubuntu was the way to go? I can't imagine a single person in this crowd who would be happy with the way dell will set it up, and if the argument is that it will introduce linux to the masses, well, I just don't see that happening. The only people who don't already know what they're doing who wind up ordering a dell box with linux already on it are only going to order it because of the cost discount.
Then they'll do one of two things:
Ask you to show them how to use it (ugh)
pirate/buy windows.
So, my original question: We're happy because this primarily means not paying for windows when we're not using it, right? What other benefits are there?
So there are a few directions this could take, here's the ones i can think of:
1) They unlock certain songs, and shortly thereafter, claim these songs are now more-heavily pirated, and use it for justification to sell more DRM to recording agencies
2) Same as #1, except they claim the songs are not selling better, and declare that DRM isn't an obstruction
3) they still include some kind of DRM but call it something else
4) They've actually seen the light, and are now going to try to innovate instead of regulate.
Did I miss any?
P.S. I don't have a lot of confidence in 4).
Actually, I would try it out... In someone else's computer.
I frequently take things I've found in bathrooms and put them in corresponding ports.
Seriously, USB key, or, really, anything else, who is taking things they find lying around (in bathrooms!) and putting them in their computers?
This might just give script kiddies the idea of a brand new way to start spreading worms...
I'm not sure if i'm trying to be serious or gross, here, but i do know i would not be putting a found USB key in any box of mine (esp. if it is running windows...)
Similarly, what kind of format are these being left in? MP3? WMA? something with some nasty DRM?
I wonder if double jeopardy laws would apply to such a situation in this country. I suppose it has everything to do with how the case was initially dismissed.
Either way, somehow, I have a feeling that the outcome will be totally different from what it would have been if this case did not have the publicity it is going to have...
Shouldn't the ISPs roll out innovative service in areas where it is likely to catch on, and not areas where it is likely to be unused? I'm all for the ISPs having to commit to/document the speeds they're offering, however. Furthermore, can't you call an ISP and ask if they have service in a certain area at the moment?
These folks use a CNC router designed and built by the company i work for. A quick search of their website turns up the reason they decided to go with us...
Project: Acquisition of Sculpture Scanning-Carving Machine
Purpose: To acquire a computer numerical control (CNC) router, which will create enlargements of our miniature sculpture models by automatically scanning the prototype and then carving the design out of a sturdy material in its full-scale form
Specifics: Please pray for wisdom and contacts to purchase the right CNC router.
Deadline: ASAP
too bad... the thumb isn't a finger. :P
these comics have no periods... anywhere. just like in archie comics.
weird.