Fair enough, can't disagree with you here. Regarding the Martin Luther analogy, let's just say that Slashdot's readership encompasses a wide range experiences and ages (no suprose to you judging by the ID#) and this particular case veers towrds the excitable end of the spectrum.:D
Sorry, this is a load of nonsense. The FSF don't care if someone sells their software on CD for profit.
You're playing with words again. It's still a company distributing a closed binary derived from GPL code. Profit is irrelevant in this analogy, as would be non-profit commercial CD pirates.
Bad analogy for obvious reasons. You specified 'corporations'. The correct analogy, 'ordinary people', doesn't support your case. The FSF doesn't care, in fact encourages, ordinary users to download and share code. It's only those who try to profit from re-sale who are restricted by the GPL. And few on Slashdot would argue that the real pirates, those who copy CD's for resale, shouldn't be pursued to the full extent of the law. It's also the original intent of copyright protection.
So count me as one who would indeed be very pleased if the RIAA began acting like the FSF.
The RIAA finally does what geeks have asked for years by going after the offenders instead of after P2P technology itself.
Can we finally put this lie to bed? Fuck no, what was I thinking, this is Slashdot where any extreme anti-geek opinion earns Frequent Flyer Points.
People here said it made more legal sense to pursue those who shared than the developers of the enabling software, and said this when those developers were under attack. Some people said sue the sharers (explanation: not all 'geeks' think alike and pull a single party line, a concept many of those who love to hate Slashdot constantly stumble over), most weren't clamouring for it to happen.
But my idea is simple...don't want to be sued by the RIAA? THEN DON'T SWAP COPYRIGHTED MUSIC WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.
Gotta agree with you there, that is a simple idea. How about 'REFORM COPYRIGHT LAW' instead?
I'm fed up with the pro-infringement people who will make any excuses they can to avoid paying artists for the work they've done, work the artists have done believing that, as the law says, people will pay in some way for using that work. Part of me is glad they're finally getting slapped.
You're right, we should stop acting as if we're their record labels.
You should better investigate the meaning of "take" before commiting to that conclusion. "Copying" is not "taking", hence the result isn't "logic", dictionary reference or no.
By comparison, the fight over file downloading is a childish spat between spoiled children.
All electronic information is in the form of files. Maintaining the free movement of files, and by extension information, is far from a childish spat and has direct bearing on those things you consider more important. Don't let the fact the the bulk of it is music at this moment fool you into thinking it's a trivial, simplistic issue.
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No SCO, no Microsoft and one Linux story on a traditionally Linux-centric forum. The editors are far from perfect but I don't see your point.
Canada is the closest neigbourgh and why is the ratio so low? They ban all handguns and you need to register all rifles.
No. Handguns can be legally purchased but they're very heavily regulated, you can't just grab one at the sporting goods store. I've known plenty of of people who owned them.
I was hunting at 14 or 15 and we always had two or three shotguns in the house. The rifle registry is just a few years old, pushed through by that idiot Alan Rock in an act of political posturing based on the completely unrelated predicament of our southern neighbours. It's overbudget by a factor of five (IIRC) and it wouldn't suprise me to see it 'redressed' in the next election.
A lower population density, social services which reduce the numbers of desperate people and not sharing an unmanageable border with a country with such a large difference in affluence (except for North Dakota:p) probably factor in too.
I don't question the accuracy or honesty of your post, but I do think you're too close to the subject and missing the big picture. Explaining a primary neccessity of rubrics:
.....What happens? Lawsuit. Don't say it won't happen. It does, every damn day.
This isn't the educational system evolving to provide the maximum benefit to the taught, this is the system defending itself from spurious lawsuits in a litigious society. It may be neccessary, but it might also be damaging to the intent and mission of the school. Enshrining this defense mechanism in code will only make it worse.
Now will the program miss things? Yes. But if the teacher is professional, and the student has the will to defend his or her stance, the "error" will be corrected, and the new data will be, barring beauacracy, factored into the next iteration of the algorithm.
That's a mighty big 'bar', and I question how many teachers really will fight against their board, peers (not all teachers might agree) and it's software suppliers for chargeable changes. My educational experience suggests it isn't many. One technical question, how do rubrics factor in 'effort' or 'heart'? How do they rate perhaps non-exceptional students who push themselves to the best of their abilities against the more gifted slackers. Standardized automated paper grading, and the bureaucracy enforcing it, sounds to me a recipe for a cold, unfeeling meritocracy which casts less gifted students - gifted defined entirely by algorithm - aside by its very design.
Now on the other hand, if teachers underwent regular and automated testing of their skills and were paid accordingly, that's something worth investigating.
"As a guy in the record industry and as a parent, I am shocked that these services are being used to lure children to stuff that is really ugly," said Andrew Lack, the chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment.
Portraying the intent of P2P app developers in this manner is beneath contempt. Hiding behind his "shock" and "parenthood" while making them is cowardice. Coming from the upper eschelons of Sony, a company which has released more than its share of violent, sexual content in the form of movies and games, is pure hypocrisy. 'Lack' is truly an apt name for such an individual.
Assuming it is based on Linux, I would say yes, if perhaps not immediately. There is no benefit to not sharing. Not doing so means locally added code will cause them to eventually fork from the main tree and make it increasingly more difficult to integrate the advances made in the standard Linux kernel. The three nations would soon bear the responsibility of developing and supporting an isolated OS. They could potentially keep it closed but compatible, playing an eternal and increasingly difficult game of re-write, re-test and intergration which kept their OS perpetually lagging behind the main tree. If on the other hand they submitted patches for inclusion in the standard kernel and tools, they make an OS more likely to be accepted by SE Asians worldwide, provide huge benefit to the localization efforts of kernel developers, draw from a world-wide talent pool and, should government funding ever dry up, assure their efforts live on. I don't see any reason they wouldn't share. Thinking of them as the governments of independent nations instead of 'triads' helps to clarify the situation.
There was no outcry begging for individuals to be prosecuted. The argument was "legal action against the developers of P2P software is unwarranted because they broke no standing laws". A few did call for the focus to shift towards those who share, but no more than a few. Nor do I see any compelling evidence, looked at dispassionately CD sales appear to be inversely proportional to anti-piracy efforts.
That said, the music conglomerates turned the corner when two things happened: the digitization of music and the merging of hardware and software companies. They chose an insecure, universal and easily transferable media to sell their wares and then demanded, bought and actually got corporate rights (!) to bypass normal judicial procedure to chase individuals who file share. A democratic republic is a balance of rights between individuals, should:
Record companies be granted rights above individuals to protect a poor choice of distribution media?
Should one industry demand the imposition of universal DRM on all individuals to protect that business model?
Should electronic manufacturers and media manufacturers merge and, acting through their respective industry associations, be allowed to act a single, indominable oligarchy to impose their wills on the market?
Could be that the price of the RIAA member industries solvency is too high for a society to pay (in which case I expect them to die off, as have innumerable industries before them). Or, they could adapt, maybe give you more for $20 than a $0.10 silver disc, two pieces of plastic, a sheet of colour paper, three level of middleman profits and one or two palatable songs. Direct market? Coupons for discounted promotional or concert tickets? Discounts on the next release? Put in the tiniest effort beyond shipping discs in a box?
As alluded above, they had more sales when Napster was at its peak. Radio, for well more than half a century free music, also pushed record company profits to ever-higher peaks. It could just be that free sharing helps the industry by getting their artists heard. They could even seed Kazaa and track trading as a form of market research. But they're stuck in a silver-disc version of a fifties industry and expecting either that the world stands still or that government grant them extrodinary protection to preserve an outdated production model. Yes, I expect that if they don't adapt they'll naturally fight, but reasonable expectation and reasonable are worlds apart. The RIAA's actions - political, civil and corporately - aren't reasonable.
There were no Illuminati folks in the Nazi heirarchy either, and the US has attacked and now militarily controls two nations. Ovens came later, and aren't likely to follow here, but camps came first. Guantanamo has been tendered to Haliburton to be rebuilt as a permanent camp, the centerpiece a dedicated interrogation facility. Both nations vilified the 'other' or outsider, both began by severely delimiting personal rights in freedoms in the name of nation security. If none of this draws uncomfortable parrallels I reccommend reading more history.
It's may have been intended as a humourous stab at a law, but it's become a cliche which people use to limit discourse. Invoking Godwin is nowadays no better than invoking Nazis.
VNC over VPN control of dozens of mission-critical servers and desktops spread across 350 miles of mountainous terrain. On-line FPS gaming. SSH and remote desktop access to my home server from any internet connection in the world. SFTP sharing with my brother 2000 miles away. Lazy, backyard wireless browsing. (And porn.)
Broadband has several uses... online gaming, warez, MP3's, Webcams, internet telephony, downloading large files, porn...
Interesting how learning, communicating with others, access to government resources and medical information, etc., aren't part of your list. A little bias perhaps?
Honestly, no matter what bullshit people spread on here about how good OO, SO, etc, are, they aren't what MSO offers. Not even close.
True but irrelevant. In the context of most small businesses, OO is good enough, and good enough is just as good. I deal with two suppliers who have dropped MS for Open Office. You make it sound as if price isn't a consideration to businesses, who'll settle only for the 'best'. Wrong, they settle for what does the job at the best price.
There have been alternatives (Corel, etc) did it matter?
Things have changed. With the BSA and product activation, it's much harder for a business or home user to pirate Office, and the cost of the Office suite has risen well faster than inflation since the WordPerfect days.
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Hey, cut them some slack. They spend every work day consorting with record industry types. What do you expect?
And we call this new revenue model 'Capitalism', a concept no doubt confusing to SCO as is doesn't entail the use of lawyers.
Fair enough, can't disagree with you here. Regarding the Martin Luther analogy, let's just say that Slashdot's readership encompasses a wide range experiences and ages (no suprose to you judging by the ID#) and this particular case veers towrds the excitable end of the spectrum. :D
You're playing with words again. It's still a company distributing a closed binary derived from GPL code. Profit is irrelevant in this analogy, as would be non-profit commercial CD pirates.
So count me as one who would indeed be very pleased if the RIAA began acting like the FSF.
Can we finally put this lie to bed? Fuck no, what was I thinking, this is Slashdot where any extreme anti-geek opinion earns Frequent Flyer Points.
People here said it made more legal sense to pursue those who shared than the developers of the enabling software, and said this when those developers were under attack. Some people said sue the sharers (explanation: not all 'geeks' think alike and pull a single party line, a concept many of those who love to hate Slashdot constantly stumble over), most weren't clamouring for it to happen.
But my idea is simple...don't want to be sued by the RIAA? THEN DON'T SWAP COPYRIGHTED MUSIC WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.
Gotta agree with you there, that is a simple idea. How about 'REFORM COPYRIGHT LAW' instead?
You're right, we should stop acting as if we're their record labels.
You should better investigate the meaning of "take" before commiting to that conclusion. "Copying" is not "taking", hence the result isn't "logic", dictionary reference or no.
All electronic information is in the form of files. Maintaining the free movement of files, and by extension information, is far from a childish spat and has direct bearing on those things you consider more important. Don't let the fact the the bulk of it is music at this moment fool you into thinking it's a trivial, simplistic issue.
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No SCO, no Microsoft and one Linux story on a traditionally Linux-centric forum. The editors are far from perfect but I don't see your point.
No. Handguns can be legally purchased but they're very heavily regulated, you can't just grab one at the sporting goods store. I've known plenty of of people who owned them.
I was hunting at 14 or 15 and we always had two or three shotguns in the house. The rifle registry is just a few years old, pushed through by that idiot Alan Rock in an act of political posturing based on the completely unrelated predicament of our southern neighbours. It's overbudget by a factor of five (IIRC) and it wouldn't suprise me to see it 'redressed' in the next election.
A lower population density, social services which reduce the numbers of desperate people and not sharing an unmanageable border with a country with such a large difference in affluence (except for North Dakota :p) probably factor in too.
This isn't the educational system evolving to provide the maximum benefit to the taught, this is the system defending itself from spurious lawsuits in a litigious society. It may be neccessary, but it might also be damaging to the intent and mission of the school. Enshrining this defense mechanism in code will only make it worse.
Now will the program miss things? Yes. But if the teacher is professional, and the student has the will to defend his or her stance, the "error" will be corrected, and the new data will be, barring beauacracy, factored into the next iteration of the algorithm.
That's a mighty big 'bar', and I question how many teachers really will fight against their board, peers (not all teachers might agree) and it's software suppliers for chargeable changes. My educational experience suggests it isn't many.
One technical question, how do rubrics factor in 'effort' or 'heart'? How do they rate perhaps non-exceptional students who push themselves to the best of their abilities against the more gifted slackers. Standardized automated paper grading, and the bureaucracy enforcing it, sounds to me a recipe for a cold, unfeeling meritocracy which casts less gifted students - gifted defined entirely by algorithm - aside by its very design.
Now on the other hand, if teachers underwent regular and automated testing of their skills and were paid accordingly, that's something worth investigating.
Portraying the intent of P2P app developers in this manner is beneath contempt. Hiding behind his "shock" and "parenthood" while making them is cowardice. Coming from the upper eschelons of Sony, a company which has released more than its share of violent, sexual content in the form of movies and games, is pure hypocrisy. 'Lack' is truly an apt name for such an individual.
Assuming it is based on Linux, I would say yes, if perhaps not immediately. There is no benefit to not sharing. Not doing so means locally added code will cause them to eventually fork from the main tree and make it increasingly more difficult to integrate the advances made in the standard Linux kernel. The three nations would soon bear the responsibility of developing and supporting an isolated OS. They could potentially keep it closed but compatible, playing an eternal and increasingly difficult game of re-write, re-test and intergration which kept their OS perpetually lagging behind the main tree.
If on the other hand they submitted patches for inclusion in the standard kernel and tools, they make an OS more likely to be accepted by SE Asians worldwide, provide huge benefit to the localization efforts of kernel developers, draw from a world-wide talent pool and, should government funding ever dry up, assure their efforts live on.
I don't see any reason they wouldn't share. Thinking of them as the governments of independent nations instead of 'triads' helps to clarify the situation.
That said, the music conglomerates turned the corner when two things happened: the digitization of music and the merging of hardware and software companies. They chose an insecure, universal and easily transferable media to sell their wares and then demanded, bought and actually got corporate rights (!) to bypass normal judicial procedure to chase individuals who file share. A democratic republic is a balance of rights between individuals, should:
Record companies be granted rights above individuals to protect a poor choice of distribution media?
Should one industry demand the imposition of universal DRM on all individuals to protect that business model?
Should electronic manufacturers and media manufacturers merge and, acting through their respective industry associations, be allowed to act a single, indominable oligarchy to impose their wills on the market?
Could be that the price of the RIAA member industries solvency is too high for a society to pay (in which case I expect them to die off, as have innumerable industries before them). Or, they could adapt, maybe give you more for $20 than a $0.10 silver disc, two pieces of plastic, a sheet of colour paper, three level of middleman profits and one or two palatable songs. Direct market? Coupons for discounted promotional or concert tickets? Discounts on the next release? Put in the tiniest effort beyond shipping discs in a box?
As alluded above, they had more sales when Napster was at its peak. Radio, for well more than half a century free music, also pushed record company profits to ever-higher peaks. It could just be that free sharing helps the industry by getting their artists heard. They could even seed Kazaa and track trading as a form of market research. But they're stuck in a silver-disc version of a fifties industry and expecting either that the world stands still or that government grant them extrodinary protection to preserve an outdated production model. Yes, I expect that if they don't adapt they'll naturally fight, but reasonable expectation and reasonable are worlds apart. The RIAA's actions - political, civil and corporately - aren't reasonable.
I thought professional recording gear was exempt. The Marantz and HHB recorders at work perform just fine on regular data blanks, and always have.
There were no Illuminati folks in the Nazi heirarchy either, and the US has attacked and now militarily controls two nations. Ovens came later, and aren't likely to follow here, but camps came first. Guantanamo has been tendered to Haliburton to be rebuilt as a permanent camp, the centerpiece a dedicated interrogation facility. Both nations vilified the 'other' or outsider, both began by severely delimiting personal rights in freedoms in the name of nation security. If none of this draws uncomfortable parrallels I reccommend reading more history.
It's may have been intended as a humourous stab at a law, but it's become a cliche which people use to limit discourse. Invoking Godwin is nowadays no better than invoking Nazis.
Straw man reasoning. Cite the figures, show the proof of this very serious allegation.
VNC over VPN control of dozens of mission-critical servers and desktops spread across 350 miles of mountainous terrain. On-line FPS gaming. SSH and remote desktop access to my home server from any internet connection in the world. SFTP sharing with my brother 2000 miles away. Lazy, backyard wireless browsing. (And porn.)
Interesting how learning, communicating with others, access to government resources and medical information, etc., aren't part of your list. A little bias perhaps?
Buy a Zaurus. It does this effortlessly, WEP included.
Deer Hunter? They never got past Duck Hunt.
Honestly, no matter what bullshit people spread on here about how good OO, SO, etc, are, they aren't what MSO offers. Not even close.
True but irrelevant. In the context of most small businesses, OO is good enough, and good enough is just as good. I deal with two suppliers who have dropped MS for Open Office. You make it sound as if price isn't a consideration to businesses, who'll settle only for the 'best'. Wrong, they settle for what does the job at the best price.
There have been alternatives (Corel, etc) did it matter?
Things have changed. With the BSA and product activation, it's much harder for a business or home user to pirate Office, and the cost of the Office suite has risen well faster than inflation since the WordPerfect days.
Fun fact o' the day: KDE originated this pastel shiny look, XP followed.