You don't work in the real world, do you? My employer wastes more money and time chasing the latest MS vulnerabilities than they do managing systems. It's gotten so bad that three or four times a day ~10,000 desktops see pop-up messages from IT warning on the latest virus. "Big Kids" are very tech saavy, are the major buyers, and care very much about security and stability.
Honestly, if MS released a brand new operating system that looked identicle to XP, but was just ultra secure and ultra stable, would it sell?
In a second. Why on earth would you think lowering TCO and eliminating re-training at the expense of losing a few questionable "features" wouldn't be an instant sell to major corporations? Or was "Big Kids" meant to indicate "biggest server on the block"?
By going after the end users they can create clarity in the courts because the end users probably won't put up a defence like IBM or RedHat would.
SCO going after end-users will only accomplish one thing, prevent the adoption of Linux by new end users. Companies with intelligent and CIO's fully aware of all the issues and ridiculous nature of SCO's claims will still avoid Linux to avoid a potential spurious lawsuit. Right or wrong don't enter into the TCO equation. SCO can only be initiating these actions on Microsoft's behalf.
SCO is presenting this as a case to preserve the value of their intellectual property. SCO is claiming complete ownership of Linux, not just code snippets but the concepts and basis of its design. Removing 'the offending code' won't settle this case. Everyone knows that SCO, in its current incarnation, has no development input and effectively no development expertise regarding Linux internals. If SCO won, it's safe to say that every independent developer would walk away and most commercial developers, like RedHat, would either be crushed by SCO's new licensing schemes or be force to abandon Linux. Add to that the bad publicity which appears to be SCO's only current business and no matter what, in any practical sense Linux development and deployment stops dead with the sound of a judge's gavel should SCO win.
This destroys the value of Linux and leaves nothing for SCO to sell in the event of a win. They must be doing this on Microsoft's behalf, nothing else makes sense.
Independantly, SCO claims that there are many lines of code copied from Sys V into Linux.
In the spirit of total laziness, could someone provide a quick explanation of what is meant by 'Sys V' code as applied to the kernel? I thought Sys V referred to the system start up procedure, as opposed to the BSD rc.conf, and not its base code architecture.
...Even their Caldera Linux distro is not necessarily fatal to their case, they are arguing ignorance anyway....
Somewhere above this post another mentions SCO is claiming ownership of one million lines of code out of a base four million. That's one line of every four. Caldera distributed Linux for the better part of a decade, what level of ignorance counts as fatal?
Back in the Red Hat 5.1 days, one of the Que how-to books came with a bonus copy of Caldera 1.3 (IIR). It blew Red Hat away, worked like gangbusters, dead solid and fast (for it's P133 time). It really is a shame to see what the company has become.
If the same 'suggestion' was made of a company you were starting, it would be taken as outrageous, arrogant and ridiculous that unknown non-contributors were 'suggesting' an open vote on the name. Open souce projects are different how? (At least in the grown up, real world I inhabit.)
I suggest a re-name, but with an open naming contest this time.
In what system do we force project names on independent developers who didn't ask for an opinion? If Xouvert is a mistake, it's theirs to make. The code will survive if the project doesn't.
You forgot to include Macafee on the Windows desktop with heuristics turned on full blast like my work environment. Now try opening network documents, no better way to knock a couple of version numbers off that Pentium performance-wise.
For me, the best user interface in Linux is the command-line - not the GUI that looks like Windows anyway.
This forum has been saturated for years with posts berating Linux desktops for not looking like The One True Desktop. The GUI you chose looks like Windows because you chose one that looks like Windows. Fluxbox doesn't, Enlightenment doesn't, Windowmaker doesn't, XFCe doesn't, in fact, any genuine Linux user can name a dozen popular desktops that don't. Which leads to the obvious question about the authenticity of you post.
They wanted to teach students how to use the most popular OS.
I admire any student with the dedication and concern to sit through school district board meetings, the only place they could have learned this. You did sit through them, right? Or is this what you were told in class? Or were you told anything?
Good post, just five years too late. The child entering school without any computer experience is increasingly rare where I live. Most of the kids I know mastered desktop navigation by age three and handled the transition from 9.x to 2k/xp better than their parents.
Somehow, "serious home operating system" defined as "gaming platform" comes off as an oxymoron. Linux does most things well except for gaming. Universal home operating system? Not yet. Serious? Plenty.
Too bad a truly appropriate punishment has fallen from favour: banishment. Nelson targeted his societal peers, it's unfortunate they have to take him back when he's out of prison.
...maybe the beancounters in American companies will follow...
I know at least two that have taken the OpenOffice plunge, both small businesses (50 staff) that were blunt about Microsoft Office costing too much for the little extra it does.
Anyone who thinks the largest nation in the world does anything to "gain support from the open source community" needs to step away from the monitor for a while.
In my experience most enterprises use hardware until its value is gone, then throw it out or give, less commonly, give it away. Resale value isn't a factor on TCO.
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Honestly, if MS released a brand new operating system that looked identicle to XP, but was just ultra secure and ultra stable, would it sell?
In a second. Why on earth would you think lowering TCO and eliminating re-training at the expense of losing a few questionable "features" wouldn't be an instant sell to major corporations? Or was "Big Kids" meant to indicate "biggest server on the block"?
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Hope that helps!
I thought the same at first, but maybe it's not about tracking what you post, it's about learning to improve astroturf.
SCO going after end-users will only accomplish one thing, prevent the adoption of Linux by new end users. Companies with intelligent and CIO's fully aware of all the issues and ridiculous nature of SCO's claims will still avoid Linux to avoid a potential spurious lawsuit. Right or wrong don't enter into the TCO equation. SCO can only be initiating these actions on Microsoft's behalf.
This destroys the value of Linux and leaves nothing for SCO to sell in the event of a win. They must be doing this on Microsoft's behalf, nothing else makes sense.
Thx!
In the spirit of total laziness, could someone provide a quick explanation of what is meant by 'Sys V' code as applied to the kernel? I thought Sys V referred to the system start up procedure, as opposed to the BSD rc.conf, and not its base code architecture.
Are you being ironic?
Somewhere above this post another mentions SCO is claiming ownership of one million lines of code out of a base four million. That's one line of every four. Caldera distributed Linux for the better part of a decade, what level of ignorance counts as fatal?
Back in the Red Hat 5.1 days, one of the Que how-to books came with a bonus copy of Caldera 1.3 (IIR). It blew Red Hat away, worked like gangbusters, dead solid and fast (for it's P133 time). It really is a shame to see what the company has become.
Now that Apple's core OS is *BSD based, is it dying twice as fast? Netcraft readers want to know.
The first shot's already been fired.
If the same 'suggestion' was made of a company you were starting, it would be taken as outrageous, arrogant and ridiculous that unknown non-contributors were 'suggesting' an open vote on the name. Open souce projects are different how? (At least in the grown up, real world I inhabit.)
It's already taken?
I suggest a re-name, but with an open naming contest this time.
In what system do we force project names on independent developers who didn't ask for an opinion? If Xouvert is a mistake, it's theirs to make. The code will survive if the project doesn't.
In other words, about the same time Microsoft releases a secure, virus-free OS. :P
You forgot to include Macafee on the Windows desktop with heuristics turned on full blast like my work environment. Now try opening network documents, no better way to knock a couple of version numbers off that Pentium performance-wise.
Why?
This forum has been saturated for years with posts berating Linux desktops for not looking like The One True Desktop. The GUI you chose looks like Windows because you chose one that looks like Windows. Fluxbox doesn't, Enlightenment doesn't, Windowmaker doesn't, XFCe doesn't, in fact, any genuine Linux user can name a dozen popular desktops that don't. Which leads to the obvious question about the authenticity of you post.
I admire any student with the dedication and concern to sit through school district board meetings, the only place they could have learned this. You did sit through them, right? Or is this what you were told in class? Or were you told anything?
Good post, just five years too late. The child entering school without any computer experience is increasingly rare where I live. Most of the kids I know mastered desktop navigation by age three and handled the transition from 9.x to 2k/xp better than their parents.
Somehow, "serious home operating system" defined as "gaming platform" comes off as an oxymoron. Linux does most things well except for gaming. Universal home operating system? Not yet. Serious? Plenty.
Too bad a truly appropriate punishment has fallen from favour: banishment. Nelson targeted his societal peers, it's unfortunate they have to take him back when he's out of prison.
I know at least two that have taken the OpenOffice plunge, both small businesses (50 staff) that were blunt about Microsoft Office costing too much for the little extra it does.
Anyone who thinks the largest nation in the world does anything to "gain support from the open source community" needs to step away from the monitor for a while.
In my experience most enterprises use hardware until its value is gone, then throw it out or give, less commonly, give it away. Resale value isn't a factor on TCO.