listening and reading are activities that only intelligent sentient beings can do. As long as google's algorithms sever out adds without human intervention or revelation to a third party, it's not an invasion of privacy, as long as no human listens to or reads the transcripts of the NSA wiretap no unreasonable search has happened.
You sound like a lawyer the way you are picking at the meaning and twisting the action. You may say the listening and reading are "Human" activities but this is a word to loosely describe and action. You say a NSA wiretap is not illegal until a "Human" interacts with it. Do I not have the right to tell a friend "I got bombed last night." with triggering a keyword scan that then flags the call to be Humanly "listened" to? What happened to "Due Process"?
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they aren't scamming me or keeping tabs on my sex life or political agenda
How do you know they aren't? Just because they say so? How do you know they won't start. The infrastructure is in place, it is just a matter of a few config changes.
If you have a eight foot long 2X4 and keep cutting little pieces off the end soon you are left with nothing.
If you didn't get in writing you are screwed. at&t are the worse about telling you anything to get you to sign and when you try to hold them to what they said they whip out the lawyer and say. "Just try to sue us!"
Hey dude ZFS IS! Open Sourced. This crap is over Sun open sourcing ZSF. You might want to check too over 25% of your code base in GNU/Linux came from Sun. You shouldn't bad mouth your friends.
Your statement is so true. Being the Senior Engineer in change of the sysadmins. My metric of a good day is how many times the phone DOESN'T ring at the NOC. I like the call from the customer that says "We haven't talked to you guys in 6 months." A good sysadmin doesn't put out fires. He prevents them from ever happening in the first place.
Actually the company I work for is running a little over 50 Solaris10 boxes in production running on x86 hardware, and as time goes on we look to replace all our Linux boxes with Solaris. Yes I am a long time Linux fan and yes I still think it is a great OS. So why the change? It is easier to manage in a data center and has a lot of tools and features that Linux doesn't have like zones and the zfs file system. Also the EOL policy for Solaris is longer. I would rather not have to rebuild an OS on a box because of lack of updates before the hardware is either outdated or dies.
Yes they are lacking in the driver department but they are working on that and have made big improvements in the last two years on that.
No I am not saying that one is better an the other. Yes I am still a big fan of Linux. All I am saying is yes we use it and love it and for our needs it fits best.
Please remember that over 25% of the code in your Linux box was given freely to the Linux Community by Sun Systems. Remember they are buying up the IP patents that are owned by others and Open Sourcing these patents.
Yes a long time ago they were worse than MS about being propriety but you have to give them respect for their change it heart. They have seen the change and changed with it. Something MS has failed to do.
I would have to disagree with you. At least with me you must also "earn" respect. A problem I see in the world is people and corporations that make a lot of money seem to expect you to respect them for their money even while they are screwing you. Sorry but that don't cut it here. Yes when I meet a person for the first time I do show the respect that should be given to any human being. The moment that that person dis-respects me my respect for them goes right out the window.
We've been using OTRS http://otrs.org/ for quite a few years and love it. It just plain works. It can use LDAP for a customer DB which can be also used with SugarCRM if a CRM is needed. We also use the LDAP directory to control the Java Messaging system for mail. We have had no down time in 4 years using this system. Its written in Perl and uses MYSQL for a DB. Yes it runs on Linux!
The professional engineer nazi in me makes me reply to your comment. Thin Clients are terminals. Thin Client is just a marketing term to get away from the old term "Dummy Terminal". dummy terminal make the machine sound dumb and no one wants a "Dumb" machine. Yes thin client do have an embedded OS and unlike SunRay don't pull the underling OS from the server. You said "ability to actually run applications locally". What? IE? I have a HP thin client sitting here in the floor I want to see you load MS Office on it.
In order to get any real use out of a thin client besides web browsing you must connect to a Terminal Server. Yes it will run IE locally. Yes it will run MS RDP Client locally but thats it! You have to boot up the thin client and then start up and login into the Terminal Server to do any real work. At least when you plug in a SunRay you get the one and only login screen you need. When you login all your apps are there.
I have both a Sun Workstation and SunRay client on my desk. When they're running you can't really tell them apart. This is not the case with a Thin Client. With MS Thin Clients there is always a certain bit of sluggishness there.
Another advantage is the SunRay's being a true "Terminal" you can manage the terminals from the server. With the thin clients there is no real management of the clients only a connection to the server.
Personally I get tired of the PR Department coming up with an new buzz word to make something old sound new and exciting and smarter. A terminal is a terminal either dumb or kinda smart. A workstation is a workstation. A server is a server. A Network Appliance is a toaster.
Sounds to me that whoever designed and built the system didn't know what they are doing. The company I work for builds, manages and maintains Terminals servers for companies. The systems we used are Sun Systems and we can run up to 50 users per server with no problem at all. They can actually handle more than that. All the problems you have talked about are just non-existent. We also run MS terminal servers for some clients. At the end of the month the time spent on management of the Sun Systems is only a third of the time spent on the MS servers.
Actually their code is full of BSD code. Take a Hex editor and look at ftp.exe. Look at the code in UNIX Services for Microsoft. They have always stolen code.
"In the last six months, we have been delivering BridgeWays and the focus is to tell customers, who really do not want to be boxed into Windows or into one version of Linux, that they have freedom of choice. And to manage all of that stuff, they don't need to learn a different product every time," said Typaldos.
Just how can I be Linux locked in? Their all free. If I don't like one I wipe it out download another distro and load it. Yes where I work as Senior Engineer of a data center we use only one distro of Linux (Fedora) but this is to keep a commonality of management of the systems. If we decide to go to Gentoo tomorrow well load them up. The apps running on Fedora will go on Gentoo just fine.
You think this is such a non-issue. We did have 15 Novell servers. When Novell struck the deal with MS they were all gone and replaced with Sun OpenSolaris. Also gone are the days of doing FREE beta testing for Novell as we had done in the past.
Typaldos you forget who GAVE to you the code that you have built your business on. People like me who have given countless hours of work to build Linux into what it is. Well you may be able to sell your slick words to a CIO who's only knowledge about networks he got from PC Mag, but people like me that built the code your business runs on will bury you. I'll be glad to see when the GPL3 come into play maybe then I'll have some protection for my work I do "For The People" for free from the likes of you.
Our company used to say "Yes we support all types of Linux." It got changed to "We support Linux except Novell." Now its "We support Linux except Novell and Xandros." Humm your slick words about "User Lockin" What about Distro Lock-out?
I would say think about this but even if you did and changed your mind its too late you will end up being another dead distro. I know that MS paid you enough to retire somewhere nice some whats to worry for you. I really only have two words for you (kind of like binary) one starts with F the other ends in U.
See what Sun's CEO Jonathan Schwartz has to say on this. Wise words from one of their Premiere Partners.
Jonathan's Blog MS could really learn a lesson from this guy, but then again it takes brainpower and an open mind to see the changes in the world. Something MS is lacking. (Maybe its the pony-tail that frees the mind) I do have a question for Brad Smith. So you going to Sue the world for running OpenSolairs too? If Sun and IBM gang up on you. You don't stand a chance.
This post was written on a home built AMD OpenSolaris workstation. No I will not ever go back to MS.
I know the history of my people. I know our laws we have always had. Its obivous you either don't know yours or are ashame of your peoples past.
Yes and you show just how much you know about American Indians. Yes my people used stone tools but we were farmers and never were hunter-gathers. No we never lived in a Teepee. We lived in houses. You watch too much TV.
Actually if you want to know the truth what got me into computers and networks was the fact this land was stolen by the use of paper which we had no concept. I saw the need that some of us needed to understand this new paper of 1s and 0s to keep from being screwed. So I learned it and know it well, and yes my talents with this little box and finding my way around your networks has paid off in legal battles in getting some of our land and rights back. Yes pretty remarkable for a savage.
Yes I make a pretty good money with these things. You think we all still sit around and bead?
Well enough of dealing with people whos IQ is that of a glass of water at room temp.
Well actually they do. Casinos have gotten a lot of tribes out of the ranks of 3rd world Nations. Our Schools are far much better now that we have taken over control of them and they are being funded by the money made by the casinos. Kids now go to any collage they want with full scholarships. Old people have wood to keep warm in the winter with. Yea that isn't sharing or spreading the wealth is it?
Since you brought up the subject lets talk about the pay offs and the bribes to goverment officals, Lobbist, and church leaders to be able to have those Casinos. Or I guess you would say that is spreading the wealth with the white guys. Yes we aren't talking about the past here either. Just in the last few years. 38 million in pay offs the Choctaws had to pay to get theirs. Look it up.
Yes I will agree with you the 42 million number is the one thrown around. There is no real way to know exactly how many people where here. We didn't have a census. Unfountuely we didn have immagrations either. Still this contient was well populated. Still we were killed off to less than 250,000. This number is supported by census taking by the US goverment.
You think I am trying to dwell in the past but I am trying to use it to point out the present. Yes the point you are pointing out about all the killing everywhere. Yes the killing I did in Vietman in the name of God and Country. That time I was the Solider and they were the Indians. I SAW! the old stories told by my Grandfather unfold before my very eyes in Vietman the only differance the players had changed. You say don't dwell in the past but what do you do when the past is being played out again before your very eyes? Still! killing in the name of God and Country.
This! is my point when will the killing and taking stop? When will people look down and see the blood on their hands? Yes I admit to the blood on mine. I sleep with the demons of my past every night.
I have no problem with other cultures being here and if you check history we welcomed you all here at first. It wasn't until the killing and the taking without regard that we started killing. You are right it is the past but when will these aggressions that are happening now stop? The past is alive and well here in the present. When will we learn from the past? We won't until people like the coward that posted to this admit to their guilt. I admit to mine.
Again no matter how much we did fight each other. We did not kill women and children.
Well Mr. Anonymous Coward I at least put my name on my words. No reason for me to hide. If you must know I am 54 years old. No I wasn't there but my family was. I guess now you will say Grandpa was a liar. What is the matter feeling guilty?
For your information I don't live on the Rez and I do have a job and have worked since I was 14. (See you have no idea about what or who you are talking about.) You talk about the past like it was 500 years ago. Lets talk about sterialization of young women, Boarding Schools, stolen mineral rights and the list goes on. These things HAVE happened in my life time and YES! I was there asshole.
Again lets talk about the war happening right now. Like I said the same song and dance against a tribal people that has something you want. See it isn't in the past but right here right now.
Whining? No just speaking the truth to try to get actions such as this to stop. Guess you can't handle the truth that you are the savage. That people like you just take and take without regard to human life or respect for the Earth.
In the early days, the "noble savages" tried to exterminate the European settlers, over and over. They tried to genocide us; we did genocide them. We're the bad guys because we won. They can be idealized because they don't exist anymore.
You are so full of shit you look like a Christmas Turkey. For one thing. War in North American B.C. (Before Columbus). We never killed the women and children of or ememies. We only did that to you when you all started killing our children. Genocide doesn't really start until you start killing the breeding process ie. women and children. Yes we fought and had wars but nothing in compairision to what you folks brought with you and the idea of "Kill the savages in the name of God."
Yes you call us the savage yet we never fought a war in the name of God. God doesn't fight wars only men do. Yes we fought but our wars were between men and God played no part in it. God never told us to go kill anybody.
Lets talk about the Treaties you made. Over 6,000 entered into by the US with Indian people and NOT ONE! was ever upheld completely. You make a promise and then come back and take more! and more and more! Now that you have taken it all here we now go around the world still taking.
They can be idealized because they don't exist anymore.
Hey stupid. I am sitting it this chair living and breathing. I do exist and no I am not going away. You missed and didn't kill us all. I am alive and I am Tsalagi (Cherokee).
Yea an estimated 42 million people lived here BEFORE the Europeans. Killed off to less than 250,000. Yes it was only natural to be invaded by white savages and or land and culture stolen from us.
You are wrong Native Americans never would have been so savage to try to take over the world. You see in our culture to aquire too much property or goods is a sin.
My question is when will it stop. Don't you see the war in Iraq is the same song and dance. A tribal people have something you want (oil) so you call them the savage and take what they have. Same old song and dance. Fucking wake up
It is a shame. SuSE is a great OS. We did have it running on 5 machines at the data center. Now there is 1 thanks to this shit. The others are happily running RedHat or OpenSolaris now. The company I work for will not support shit like this.
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http://java.com/en/everywhere/marsrover.jsp/ Runs on open source no wonder it just keeps on going.
You sound like a lawyer the way you are picking at the meaning and twisting the action. You may say the listening and reading are "Human" activities but this is a word to loosely describe and action. You say a NSA wiretap is not illegal until a "Human" interacts with it. Do I not have the right to tell a friend "I got bombed last night." with triggering a keyword scan that then flags the call to be Humanly "listened" to? What happened to "Due Process"?
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they aren't scamming me or keeping tabs on my sex life or political agendaHow do you know they aren't? Just because they say so? How do you know they won't start. The infrastructure is in place, it is just a matter of a few config changes.
If you have a eight foot long 2X4 and keep cutting little pieces off the end soon you are left with nothing.
Freedom is like that...
Don't worry MineSweeper comes on Linux ;)
If you didn't get in writing you are screwed. at&t are the worse about telling you anything to get you to sign and when you try to hold them to what they said they whip out the lawyer and say. "Just try to sue us!"
Hey dude ZFS IS! Open Sourced. This crap is over Sun open sourcing ZSF. You might want to check too over 25% of your code base in GNU/Linux came from Sun. You shouldn't bad mouth your friends.
I find it hard to believe that Sun started this. Why or how could they sue over a patent that they open sourced? ZFS is free!
I find what Jonathan at Sun has to say more believable. http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/on_patent_trol ling/
Yea you know Archie. The guy with the pet Gopher.
Your statement is so true. Being the Senior Engineer in change of the sysadmins. My metric of a good day is how many times the phone DOESN'T ring at the NOC. I like the call from the customer that says "We haven't talked to you guys in 6 months." A good sysadmin doesn't put out fires. He prevents them from ever happening in the first place.
Actually the company I work for is running a little over 50 Solaris10 boxes in production running on x86 hardware, and as time goes on we look to replace all our Linux boxes with Solaris. Yes I am a long time Linux fan and yes I still think it is a great OS. So why the change? It is easier to manage in a data center and has a lot of tools and features that Linux doesn't have like zones and the zfs file system. Also the EOL policy for Solaris is longer. I would rather not have to rebuild an OS on a box because of lack of updates before the hardware is either outdated or dies.
Yes they are lacking in the driver department but they are working on that and have made big improvements in the last two years on that.
No I am not saying that one is better an the other. Yes I am still a big fan of Linux. All I am saying is yes we use it and love it and for our needs it fits best.
Please remember that over 25% of the code in your Linux box was given freely to the Linux Community by Sun Systems. Remember they are buying up the IP patents that are owned by others and Open Sourcing these patents.
Yes a long time ago they were worse than MS about being propriety but you have to give them respect for their change it heart. They have seen the change and changed with it. Something MS has failed to do.
I would have to disagree with you. At least with me you must also "earn" respect. A problem I see in the world is people and corporations that make a lot of money seem to expect you to respect them for their money even while they are screwing you. Sorry but that don't cut it here. Yes when I meet a person for the first time I do show the respect that should be given to any human being. The moment that that person dis-respects me my respect for them goes right out the window.
Ever think of quiting?
We've been using OTRS http://otrs.org/ for quite a few years and love it. It just plain works. It can use LDAP for a customer DB which can be also used with SugarCRM if a CRM is needed. We also use the LDAP directory to control the Java Messaging system for mail. We have had no down time in 4 years using this system. Its written in Perl and uses MYSQL for a DB. Yes it runs on Linux!
In order to get any real use out of a thin client besides web browsing you must connect to a Terminal Server. Yes it will run IE locally. Yes it will run MS RDP Client locally but thats it! You have to boot up the thin client and then start up and login into the Terminal Server to do any real work. At least when you plug in a SunRay you get the one and only login screen you need. When you login all your apps are there.
I have both a Sun Workstation and SunRay client on my desk. When they're running you can't really tell them apart. This is not the case with a Thin Client. With MS Thin Clients there is always a certain bit of sluggishness there.
Another advantage is the SunRay's being a true "Terminal" you can manage the terminals from the server. With the thin clients there is no real management of the clients only a connection to the server.
Personally I get tired of the PR Department coming up with an new buzz word to make something old sound new and exciting and smarter. A terminal is a terminal either dumb or kinda smart. A workstation is a workstation. A server is a server. A Network Appliance is a toaster.
Sounds to me that whoever designed and built the system didn't know what they are doing. The company I work for builds, manages and maintains Terminals servers for companies. The systems we used are Sun Systems and we can run up to 50 users per server with no problem at all. They can actually handle more than that. All the problems you have talked about are just non-existent. We also run MS terminal servers for some clients. At the end of the month the time spent on management of the Sun Systems is only a third of the time spent on the MS servers.
Actually their code is full of BSD code. Take a Hex editor and look at ftp.exe. Look at the code in UNIX Services for Microsoft. They have always stolen code.
Just how can I be Linux locked in? Their all free. If I don't like one I wipe it out download another distro and load it. Yes where I work as Senior Engineer of a data center we use only one distro of Linux (Fedora) but this is to keep a commonality of management of the systems. If we decide to go to Gentoo tomorrow well load them up. The apps running on Fedora will go on Gentoo just fine.
You think this is such a non-issue. We did have 15 Novell servers. When Novell struck the deal with MS they were all gone and replaced with Sun OpenSolaris. Also gone are the days of doing FREE beta testing for Novell as we had done in the past.
Typaldos you forget who GAVE to you the code that you have built your business on. People like me who have given countless hours of work to build Linux into what it is. Well you may be able to sell your slick words to a CIO who's only knowledge about networks he got from PC Mag, but people like me that built the code your business runs on will bury you. I'll be glad to see when the GPL3 come into play maybe then I'll have some protection for my work I do "For The People" for free from the likes of you.
Our company used to say "Yes we support all types of Linux." It got changed to "We support Linux except Novell." Now its "We support Linux except Novell and Xandros." Humm your slick words about "User Lockin" What about Distro Lock-out?
I would say think about this but even if you did and changed your mind its too late you will end up being another dead distro. I know that MS paid you enough to retire somewhere nice some whats to worry for you. I really only have two words for you (kind of like binary) one starts with F the other ends in U.
This post was written on a home built AMD OpenSolaris workstation. No I will not ever go back to MS.
I know the history of my people. I know our laws we have always had. Its obivous you either don't know yours or are ashame of your peoples past.
Yes and you show just how much you know about American Indians. Yes my people used stone tools but we were farmers and never were hunter-gathers. No we never lived in a Teepee. We lived in houses. You watch too much TV.
Actually if you want to know the truth what got me into computers and networks was the fact this land was stolen by the use of paper which we had no concept. I saw the need that some of us needed to understand this new paper of 1s and 0s to keep from being screwed. So I learned it and know it well, and yes my talents with this little box and finding my way around your networks has paid off in legal battles in getting some of our land and rights back. Yes pretty remarkable for a savage.
Yes I make a pretty good money with these things. You think we all still sit around and bead?
Well enough of dealing with people whos IQ is that of a glass of water at room temp.
Since you brought up the subject lets talk about the pay offs and the bribes to goverment officals, Lobbist, and church leaders to be able to have those Casinos. Or I guess you would say that is spreading the wealth with the white guys. Yes we aren't talking about the past here either. Just in the last few years. 38 million in pay offs the Choctaws had to pay to get theirs. Look it up.
Yes I will agree with you the 42 million number is the one thrown around. There is no real way to know exactly how many people where here. We didn't have a census. Unfountuely we didn have immagrations either. Still this contient was well populated. Still we were killed off to less than 250,000. This number is supported by census taking by the US goverment.
You think I am trying to dwell in the past but I am trying to use it to point out the present. Yes the point you are pointing out about all the killing everywhere. Yes the killing I did in Vietman in the name of God and Country. That time I was the Solider and they were the Indians. I SAW! the old stories told by my Grandfather unfold before my very eyes in Vietman the only differance the players had changed. You say don't dwell in the past but what do you do when the past is being played out again before your very eyes? Still! killing in the name of God and Country.
This! is my point when will the killing and taking stop? When will people look down and see the blood on their hands? Yes I admit to the blood on mine. I sleep with the demons of my past every night.
I have no problem with other cultures being here and if you check history we welcomed you all here at first. It wasn't until the killing and the taking without regard that we started killing. You are right it is the past but when will these aggressions that are happening now stop? The past is alive and well here in the present. When will we learn from the past? We won't until people like the coward that posted to this admit to their guilt. I admit to mine.
Again no matter how much we did fight each other. We did not kill women and children.
Well Mr. Anonymous Coward I at least put my name on my words. No reason for me to hide. If you must know I am 54 years old. No I wasn't there but my family was. I guess now you will say Grandpa was a liar. What is the matter feeling guilty?
For your information I don't live on the Rez and I do have a job and have worked since I was 14. (See you have no idea about what or who you are talking about.) You talk about the past like it was 500 years ago. Lets talk about sterialization of young women, Boarding Schools, stolen mineral rights and the list goes on. These things HAVE happened in my life time and YES! I was there asshole.
Again lets talk about the war happening right now. Like I said the same song and dance against a tribal people that has something you want. See it isn't in the past but right here right now.
Whining? No just speaking the truth to try to get actions such as this to stop. Guess you can't handle the truth that you are the savage. That people like you just take and take without regard to human life or respect for the Earth.
You are so full of shit you look like a Christmas Turkey. For one thing. War in North American B.C. (Before Columbus). We never killed the women and children of or ememies. We only did that to you when you all started killing our children. Genocide doesn't really start until you start killing the breeding process ie. women and children. Yes we fought and had wars but nothing in compairision to what you folks brought with you and the idea of "Kill the savages in the name of God."
Yes you call us the savage yet we never fought a war in the name of God. God doesn't fight wars only men do. Yes we fought but our wars were between men and God played no part in it. God never told us to go kill anybody.
Lets talk about the Treaties you made. Over 6,000 entered into by the US with Indian people and NOT ONE! was ever upheld completely. You make a promise and then come back and take more! and more and more! Now that you have taken it all here we now go around the world still taking.
Hey stupid. I am sitting it this chair living and breathing. I do exist and no I am not going away. You missed and didn't kill us all. I am alive and I am Tsalagi (Cherokee).
Yea an estimated 42 million people lived here BEFORE the Europeans. Killed off to less than 250,000. Yes it was only natural to be invaded by white savages and or land and culture stolen from us.
You are wrong Native Americans never would have been so savage to try to take over the world. You see in our culture to aquire too much property or goods is a sin.
My question is when will it stop. Don't you see the war in Iraq is the same song and dance. A tribal people have something you want (oil) so you call them the savage and take what they have. Same old song and dance. Fucking wake up
It is a shame. SuSE is a great OS. We did have it running on 5 machines at the data center. Now there is 1 thanks to this shit. The others are happily running RedHat or OpenSolaris now. The company I work for will not support shit like this.
How do we know that they didn't and we're it!