The Pentium M still comes away with a lead in this test when you factor in the cost difference and power consumption.
As for power consumption, that would depend entirely on how you use your laptop. At idle, which is what most laptops are at most of the time when you are just writing a document or doing email/web, the AMD has lower power consumption than the Pentium M. That one is a toss up depending on your usage patterns.
"That was also the point of my original post (not having the typical Windows related problems does not refer to using another platform, but to knowing what you are doing)"
Then why not say uneducated-user problem rather than the much more inflamitary "Windows related problem"? Obviously you have a bias against windows.
"This all said, if you are going to use an alternative webserver anyway, and you do have the knowledge to securely run a webserver, you may be better off using a nicely integrated and server oriented system for it, and there are indeed good alternatives to Windows with regards to that."
If you know how to securely run a machine, it doesn't really matter what OS you chose to use. I've run windows machines for may years and never had mine hacked. I also run a number of OpenBSD machines and can say the same for them.
If folks are running XP Home, then either they have specific applications they want to use that run only under XP or they prefer XP for some other reason, or they are uninformed enough about the options that they wouldn't be clued-in enough to run an alternate OS securely. In either case, telling them they would be 'better served' by another OS is pointless.
3. When's the last time the feds came to your house and pulled a bunch of you data off your machine? 4. When's the last time the feds went to Google and potentially pulled a bunch of your data off their machines? 5. In which case do you think you might actually get a notice that they took your data?
"So... it may be somewhat cheaper then Win 2k3 server, but the problem is the same."
The problem isn't the same. You don't need 2003 server, or even XP Pro to run a web server. You know they do make version of Apache and quite a few other web servers that will run just fine under XP home. But just keep claiming the grandparent wanted folks to all buy 2003 server, because you can't possibly run a web server on XP home...
"Your point was?"
If someone is clueless enough not to know that you can get a webserver running under XP Home, their chances of doing so securely under *nix are pretty much nill.
Putting holes all the way through spacecraft is generally a bad thing. Not only will you start leaking atmosphere (ok, maybe you have some sort of auto-plugging foam in the hull skin) but you have to worry about what else inside the ship has holes through it... People, computers, sensors, fuel, air scrubbers, your engine, etc, etc. "just passing through the ship creating a nice cylidrical hole" could be really really bad.
The grandparent was talking about accellerating at 1G for almost a year to get up to speed. There might not be any debris around a planet when you start accellerating, but what if a a pebble from far away enters into the area in 6 months? You must have damn good scanners if you are going to ensure the place is going to be free of sand particles still 8 months away from your planet.
Because if you have to accellerate for an entire year to get above the 57% the speed of light he's talking about, there's a lot more time/distance you have to go through where you are likely to run into a piece of sand that is gonna do just nasty things to your spaceship. Once you are above that 57% cuttoff, you have a nice antigravity field clearing your path (according to him).
What if, after you have been accellerating for months, but are still at only 50% the speed of light, you hit a 1 lb chunk of rock/dust/ice that fell off some asteroid...
50% of speed of light = 1.5 x 10^8
1 pound = 0.4536 kg
Kinetic energy = (.5) (mass) (velocity) (velocity)
Kinetic energy = (.5) (.4536 kg) (1.5 x 10^8) (1.5 x 10^8)
Kinetic energy = (5.1 x 10^15)
Ouch.
The energy of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was only ~ 5.2 x 10^13
Even hitting a piece of sand at half the speed of light is gonna do waaaaaay more than just scratch your paint job. You want to get to get up to speed where you have the antigravity-clearing path for you as soon as possible, because every second going less than that speed is extremely dangerous. (That's if his theory isn't entirely bogus.)
The question is if they really NEED 24/7 availability. I used to live in a village of 300 people and we wouldn't have even dreamed of having one fulltime cop. The county sherrif used to drive through once a month just to make sure the place was still there. That was about the extent of the use or need.
I just goes to show people can have vastly different experiences with the same company. I left Gateway for Dell ~8 years ago. The tech support from Gatway had gotten worse and worse for me over a number of years. The same for everyone else I knew. Everyone I know has switched to Dell/HP/Sony/Apple, and away from Gateway. Bad service has been one of the primary reasons.
Yup. Hard to make much out of that article. It states everything has only been done in a test tube so far, then it talks about starting clinical trials soon. Hello? Where's the animal model testing??? I'll need way more details before I get excited over this.
Did you read my post? These are peoples home machines. What on earth makes you think I'd even consider taking responsibility for maintining dozens of home machines?
On top of that, training them to use *nix apps, making them ditch all their windows software, trying to maintain connections to all of them to admin them. No thanks. I'll stick to admining the OpenBSD machines at work I get paid to admin. If you want to do freebie home administration for the neighborhood, great. More power to you. Leave me out of it.
Switch all their home machines to *nix? Umm no thanks. I don't want to admin dozens of people's home machines. Feel free to offer your services to them for free if you like. And I don't think switching to *nix and losing all their windows apps the bought and like will fly either.
"I'd love to develop my apps with Postgres, then deploy to Oracle or DB2 with an automated tool. "
Why is it important to that the DB be OSS for you to develop your app if, as you said, you are going to migrate it to Oracle or DB2?
Both Oracle and DB2 provide migration tools to themselves from Sybase, MS SQL, Informix, MySQL, as well as each other.
If your real goal is to deploy to Oracle or DB2, it seems it would make more sense to start with a DB that both have easy migration paths from. Starting with either Oracle (which has a fee development version) DB2 (which IBM has a free version of), MS SQL (which MS has a free version of) or MySQL (worst option IMHO DB wise, but hey, it's OSS).
You certainly can if someone is trying to convince you to switch as the author of the article wanted his Photoshop using friends to. If it doesn't look/act the same you lose time learning it. You lose time getting used to using it so that all those shortcuts are second nature to you. When you bill at around $100/hour, the time involved in learning the new system, finding and installing all those 'hack' workarounds to get it kinda/sorta simalar to what you are used to, and the time it slows you down until those new commands all become 2nd nature... That time adds up to more than the next several upgrade versions of 'Real' program are going to cost you! Plus all the lost functionality of the plugins, 16-bit color, etc, etc. Why switch??? If your doing it for a hobbie, sure. If your doing it for work it would be a really dumb move.
No, it won't do a thing in that situation, except occasinoally release what little pressure you are putting on the system compared to what it normally has. That will make it take even longer to stop.
The only time that is useful is on situations like on ice, when the brakes can make the wheels stop turning even though the tires are still moving across the surface of the road. Pumping the breaks allows the tires to start turning again so that you can get some traction to start breaking (instead of sliding) again.
People with more disposable income than you, or people who have gaming as a higher priority in their life compared to other things than it is in yours.
Adding on to the previous response to your post, you say...
It allows you to stand upon the shoulders of those before you and create a better system whilst keeping that openness for the next generation.
BSD keeps it's openness for the next generation as well. Just because someone forks of a proprietary version in some company, the open version dosn't dissapear. It's still there, still open, for all future generations. "Losing the open software" is FUD from GPL folks. It's never lost.
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As for power consumption, that would depend entirely on how you use your laptop. At idle, which is what most laptops are at most of the time when you are just writing a document or doing email/web, the AMD has lower power consumption than the Pentium M. That one is a toss up depending on your usage patterns.
But you are entirely right about cost.
Then why not say uneducated-user problem rather than the much more inflamitary "Windows related problem"? Obviously you have a bias against windows.
"This all said, if you are going to use an alternative webserver anyway, and you do have the knowledge to securely run a webserver, you may be better off using a nicely integrated and server oriented system for it, and there are indeed good alternatives to Windows with regards to that."
If you know how to securely run a machine, it doesn't really matter what OS you chose to use. I've run windows machines for may years and never had mine hacked. I also run a number of OpenBSD machines and can say the same for them.
If folks are running XP Home, then either they have specific applications they want to use that run only under XP or they prefer XP for some other reason, or they are uninformed enough about the options that they wouldn't be clued-in enough to run an alternate OS securely. In either case, telling them they would be 'better served' by another OS is pointless.
3. When's the last time the feds came to your house and pulled a bunch of you data off your machine?
4. When's the last time the feds went to Google and potentially pulled a bunch of your data off their machines?
5. In which case do you think you might actually get a notice that they took your data?
"So... it may be somewhat cheaper then Win 2k3 server, but the problem is the same." The problem isn't the same. You don't need 2003 server, or even XP Pro to run a web server. You know they do make version of Apache and quite a few other web servers that will run just fine under XP home. But just keep claiming the grandparent wanted folks to all buy 2003 server, because you can't possibly run a web server on XP home... "Your point was?" If someone is clueless enough not to know that you can get a webserver running under XP Home, their chances of doing so securely under *nix are pretty much nill.
It's a feature rich contest though.
Yahoo will automatically forward the price to your next of kin if you happen to be a Chinese dissident that they turn in.
Screw Yahoo. Better to pull out of a market than get people killed for speaking up.
Putting holes all the way through spacecraft is generally a bad thing. Not only will you start leaking atmosphere (ok, maybe you have some sort of auto-plugging foam in the hull skin) but you have to worry about what else inside the ship has holes through it... People, computers, sensors, fuel, air scrubbers, your engine, etc, etc. "just passing through the ship creating a nice cylidrical hole" could be really really bad.
The grandparent was talking about accellerating at 1G for almost a year to get up to speed. There might not be any debris around a planet when you start accellerating, but what if a a pebble from far away enters into the area in 6 months? You must have damn good scanners if you are going to ensure the place is going to be free of sand particles still 8 months away from your planet.
Because if you have to accellerate for an entire year to get above the 57% the speed of light he's talking about, there's a lot more time/distance you have to go through where you are likely to run into a piece of sand that is gonna do just nasty things to your spaceship. Once you are above that 57% cuttoff, you have a nice antigravity field clearing your path (according to him).
What if, after you have been accellerating for months, but are still at only 50% the speed of light, you hit a 1 lb chunk of rock/dust/ice that fell off some asteroid...
50% of speed of light = 1.5 x 10^8
1 pound = 0.4536 kg
Kinetic energy = (.5) (mass) (velocity) (velocity)
Kinetic energy = (.5) (.4536 kg) (1.5 x 10^8) (1.5 x 10^8)
Kinetic energy = (5.1 x 10^15)
Ouch.
The energy of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was only ~ 5.2 x 10^13
Even hitting a piece of sand at half the speed of light is gonna do waaaaaay more than just scratch your paint job. You want to get to get up to speed where you have the antigravity-clearing path for you as soon as possible, because every second going less than that speed is extremely dangerous. (That's if his theory isn't entirely bogus.)
The question is if they really NEED 24/7 availability. I used to live in a village of 300 people and we wouldn't have even dreamed of having one fulltime cop. The county sherrif used to drive through once a month just to make sure the place was still there. That was about the extent of the use or need.
I just goes to show people can have vastly different experiences with the same company. I left Gateway for Dell ~8 years ago. The tech support from Gatway had gotten worse and worse for me over a number of years. The same for everyone else I knew. Everyone I know has switched to Dell/HP/Sony/Apple, and away from Gateway. Bad service has been one of the primary reasons.
Lots and Lots of places. Like the other responder said, it sounds like you've never owned a house and had to worry about property tax.
I'm a research scientist. You ALWAYS care about getting published in a top journal. ;)
Yup. Hard to make much out of that article. It states everything has only been done in a test tube so far, then it talks about starting clinical trials soon. Hello? Where's the animal model testing??? I'll need way more details before I get excited over this.
Did you read my post? These are peoples home machines. What on earth makes you think I'd even consider taking responsibility for maintining dozens of home machines?
On top of that, training them to use *nix apps, making them ditch all their windows software, trying to maintain connections to all of them to admin them. No thanks. I'll stick to admining the OpenBSD machines at work I get paid to admin. If you want to do freebie home administration for the neighborhood, great. More power to you. Leave me out of it.
So admining their machiens with Linux is less work than not admining their machines at all? I don't think so.
Switch all their home machines to *nix? Umm no thanks. I don't want to admin dozens of people's home machines. Feel free to offer your services to them for free if you like. And I don't think switching to *nix and losing all their windows apps the bought and like will fly either.
You mean your hand doesn't get chafed too?
Get it straight. When they are on our side they are freedom fighters. When they are on the other side they are terrorists.
Why is it important to that the DB be OSS for you to develop your app if, as you said, you are going to migrate it to Oracle or DB2?
Both Oracle and DB2 provide migration tools to themselves from Sybase, MS SQL, Informix, MySQL, as well as each other.
If your real goal is to deploy to Oracle or DB2, it seems it would make more sense to start with a DB that both have easy migration paths from. Starting with either Oracle (which has a fee development version) DB2 (which IBM has a free version of), MS SQL (which MS has a free version of) or MySQL (worst option IMHO DB wise, but hey, it's OSS).
You ARE joking, right? Oracle is free to use for development, just not production. If you really use Oracle, you should already know this.
You certainly can if someone is trying to convince you to switch as the author of the article wanted his Photoshop using friends to. If it doesn't look/act the same you lose time learning it. You lose time getting used to using it so that all those shortcuts are second nature to you. When you bill at around $100/hour, the time involved in learning the new system, finding and installing all those 'hack' workarounds to get it kinda/sorta simalar to what you are used to, and the time it slows you down until those new commands all become 2nd nature... That time adds up to more than the next several upgrade versions of 'Real' program are going to cost you! Plus all the lost functionality of the plugins, 16-bit color, etc, etc. Why switch??? If your doing it for a hobbie, sure. If your doing it for work it would be a really dumb move.
I haven't seen goldfish, but you can get zebra fish. http://www.glofish.com/default.asp
The only time that is useful is on situations like on ice, when the brakes can make the wheels stop turning even though the tires are still moving across the surface of the road. Pumping the breaks allows the tires to start turning again so that you can get some traction to start breaking (instead of sliding) again.
People with more disposable income than you, or people who have gaming as a higher priority in their life compared to other things than it is in yours.
It allows you to stand upon the shoulders of those before you and create a better system whilst keeping that openness for the next generation.
BSD keeps it's openness for the next generation as well. Just because someone forks of a proprietary version in some company, the open version dosn't dissapear. It's still there, still open, for all future generations. "Losing the open software" is FUD from GPL folks. It's never lost.