What about the deceptive-as-hell big green "Download" buttons that have nothing to do with the software for whicha download is being attempted?
Even without the bundled shitware, my users routinely got burned by the... alternative... download buttons on every page. Blackholed along with Cnet and the like.
Hello Whipslash, thank you for taking the time to answer questions here.
I've seen this comment by you a few times and I wanted to add my two cents. Hopefully this is as good a place as any to add them.
SourceForge damaged themselves to an incredible degree in my eyes by their various deceptive practices. The tone-deaf (and obviously fake) customer care team responses about dealing with the malware, coupled with the lack of follow-up to any of their promises about the matter, was particularly insulting. That being said, SourceForge is not dead to me.
However, individual projects are. The people behind some of the more popular software projects hosted at SourceForge were all too happy to jump onboard with malware bullshit and to spin and spin to try and justify their decision. FileZilla and PDFCreator come to mind immediately, and I'm sure I could think of another half-dozen if I went back through the software I use day-to-day and consider my history on that item's function.
My recommendation (which I hope you will consider, but not necessarily follow) would be to hunt these projects down, decapitate them, and actively solicit a functional replacement (sponsor the fork!). I will NEVER use FileZilla again. I will NEVER use PDFCreator again. I may remove the DNS blackhole that currently keeps my organization safe from SourceForge's current shitpile, but the project folks who were happy to compromise themselves can burn in hell forever.
Without quality software, there will never be any reason to again visit SourceForge, with or without malware smeared all over its pages.
Thanks again for stopping in. You've got a hell of an uphill battle with SourceForge, I wish you the best of luck.
I went looking for the news article that I had read - I've not been able to find it. What I found, however, makes me think that I was confusing Office Apps for Windows 10 with Office 2016 or whatever. A couple of different articles point out that businesses will need to get MS Office 365 subscriptions for Office for Windows 10 (App Store). Overall, my bad.
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LibreOffice (and any other Office Suite) doesn't need to compete feature-for-feature with MS Office. It needs to compete on the value proposition to users versus Office.
In other words, performing (well) a subset of what Office 20xx does, for free, is likely good enough for a great many users.
OpenOffice.org died in 2011. Perhaps you mean from Apache OpenOffice?
Apache OO can't import code from LibreOffice because the entire project (AOO) was moved off the LGPL when Oracle gave it to The Apache Foundation. Had Oracle chosen to keep the license as is, there would be no such restriction.
Re:LibreOffice didn't rise from the ashes
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I disagree about your reframing of #4 - Oracle sat in silence far after Libreoffice was created, and it was longer still until Apache had the new project up and running. Let's come back to that in a little bit, however.
Let's discuss licensing.
OpenOffice.org was dual-licensed, with the world at large caring about the LGPL v3. The final release with this code was on 25 January 2011.
LibreOffice is licensed under the LGPL v3. Its initial release was also on 25 January 2011.
Apache OpenOffice is under the Apache License v2. Initial release was 8 May 2012.
LibreOffice is under exactly the same license as OpenOffice.Org was - it defies logic to maintain that LibreOffice broke away from OpenOffice.org because of the license, and then kept that exact same license.
Consensus is that, after Oracle's purchase of Sun in 2010, OpenOffice.org was likely to be axed. Oracle showed little to no interest in it, and said even less. LibreOffice had nearly a half-year of uncontested mind-share before Oracle finally axed their paid developers and dumped the remains of OpenOffice on the Apache foundation for resurrection (re-licensing it in the process) in what was widely seen an attempt to save face. And it still took almost another year after that for the first release, due to the Apache re-licensing (which came well after the decision to create TDF).
For me, MS Office took an enormous step backwards. The new plan where organizations will pay an ongoing yearly fee for Office forever (instead of us paying for a version we liked and then staying there as long as possible to keep from disrupting my very touchy-about-workflow users) - Libreoffice looks better than ever.
Re:LibreOffice didn't rise from the ashes
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Utterly wrong. Where do you want me to start?
1. Licensing dispute
2. Reason for the fork
3. Rose from the ashes
4. Contention that Apache OpenOffice would exist if not for Libreoffice.
Happy to provide links for anything you're interested in actually discussing. Let me know.
Except for when they don't - something went wrong in the transaction (and you don't know because you don't have a receipt), the end result will be the manager of the station calling in a drive-off theft and you get to explain why you thought you had paid.
Where are all the buggy makers going to work when people stop driving buggies?
Where are all of the film developers going to work when people stop using film?
Where are all of the steel workers going to work when we ship our foundries to China?
Where are all of the assembly line workers going to work when we replace them with robots?
Where are all of the secretaries from the pool going to work when we replace them with computers and software?
This question, time and time again. The answer(s)?
1. Subsistence farming.
2. McDonalds.
3. Pray you have enough safety net for retraining. And enough time/lifespan left.
Exactly this. When I lived my closest to work (5 miles), public transit involved an additional 2 hours of travel time on each end of the day, and removed by ability to work late (a requirement of the job), and had me outside in Midwestern winters for 10-15 minutes at each stop.
And forget biking. The one road that ran where I needed to was narrow and had no separate bike lane - I biked to work three times and nearly died every time. It's not about my biking ability, it's about the stupidity of the average American SUV-driver.
Math is FTA, detailing the costs of the program...
CANDU runs on unenriched fuel, if you want it to. Or the 'waste' from other reactors. Advanced (meaning Gen 3+) CANDU runs on slightly enriched fuel. If you are starting fresh with no legacy reactors to fuel, there is zero need for a massively expensive and overdone enrichment program. Take that into account along with the history here so far (enrichment levels, posturing, Russia's offers, etc.). To me, anyways, that strongly suggests that there is an ulterior motive to this particular enrichment program.
All of the math presented here for "fuel", plus the existence of the CANDU reactor: how it's sold, it's fuel cycle, and its waste profile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Too late, too bad. Our Keurig bit the dust shortly after the DRM pods hit the shelves. We didn't replace it. We won't replace it. One more drop in the lost customers bucket for Keurig, but enough of them add up to a flood.
This seems like it would be incredibly simple to analyze the second time around. Offline backup into a VM and snapshotting would render the auto-destruct very educational.
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What about the deceptive-as-hell big green "Download" buttons that have nothing to do with the software for whicha download is being attempted?
... alternative ... download buttons on every page. Blackholed along with Cnet and the like.
Even without the bundled shitware, my users routinely got burned by the
Hello Whipslash, thank you for taking the time to answer questions here.
I've seen this comment by you a few times and I wanted to add my two cents. Hopefully this is as good a place as any to add them.
SourceForge damaged themselves to an incredible degree in my eyes by their various deceptive practices. The tone-deaf (and obviously fake) customer care team responses about dealing with the malware, coupled with the lack of follow-up to any of their promises about the matter, was particularly insulting. That being said, SourceForge is not dead to me.
However, individual projects are. The people behind some of the more popular software projects hosted at SourceForge were all too happy to jump onboard with malware bullshit and to spin and spin to try and justify their decision. FileZilla and PDFCreator come to mind immediately, and I'm sure I could think of another half-dozen if I went back through the software I use day-to-day and consider my history on that item's function.
My recommendation (which I hope you will consider, but not necessarily follow) would be to hunt these projects down, decapitate them, and actively solicit a functional replacement (sponsor the fork!). I will NEVER use FileZilla again. I will NEVER use PDFCreator again. I may remove the DNS blackhole that currently keeps my organization safe from SourceForge's current shitpile, but the project folks who were happy to compromise themselves can burn in hell forever.
Without quality software, there will never be any reason to again visit SourceForge, with or without malware smeared all over its pages.
Thanks again for stopping in. You've got a hell of an uphill battle with SourceForge, I wish you the best of luck.
http://www.thelocal.de/2015072...
He's pretty much got it right.
I went looking for the news article that I had read - I've not been able to find it. What I found, however, makes me think that I was confusing Office Apps for Windows 10 with Office 2016 or whatever. A couple of different articles point out that businesses will need to get MS Office 365 subscriptions for Office for Windows 10 (App Store). Overall, my bad.
LibreOffice (and any other Office Suite) doesn't need to compete feature-for-feature with MS Office. It needs to compete on the value proposition to users versus Office.
In other words, performing (well) a subset of what Office 20xx does, for free, is likely good enough for a great many users.
OpenOffice.org died in 2011. Perhaps you mean from Apache OpenOffice?
Apache OO can't import code from LibreOffice because the entire project (AOO) was moved off the LGPL when Oracle gave it to The Apache Foundation. Had Oracle chosen to keep the license as is, there would be no such restriction.
Let's discuss licensing.
LibreOffice is under exactly the same license as OpenOffice.Org was - it defies logic to maintain that LibreOffice broke away from OpenOffice.org because of the license, and then kept that exact same license.
Consensus is that, after Oracle's purchase of Sun in 2010, OpenOffice.org was likely to be axed. Oracle showed little to no interest in it, and said even less. LibreOffice had nearly a half-year of uncontested mind-share before Oracle finally axed their paid developers and dumped the remains of OpenOffice on the Apache foundation for resurrection (re-licensing it in the process) in what was widely seen an attempt to save face. And it still took almost another year after that for the first release, due to the Apache re-licensing (which came well after the decision to create TDF).
Wikipedia is extensively sourced here. Perhaps it would be better to point out the specific pieces you feel are wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
For me, MS Office took an enormous step backwards. The new plan where organizations will pay an ongoing yearly fee for Office forever (instead of us paying for a version we liked and then staying there as long as possible to keep from disrupting my very touchy-about-workflow users) - Libreoffice looks better than ever.
Utterly wrong. Where do you want me to start?
1. Licensing dispute
2. Reason for the fork
3. Rose from the ashes
4. Contention that Apache OpenOffice would exist if not for Libreoffice.
Happy to provide links for anything you're interested in actually discussing. Let me know.
Except for when they don't - something went wrong in the transaction (and you don't know because you don't have a receipt), the end result will be the manager of the station calling in a drive-off theft and you get to explain why you thought you had paid.
Always get a receipt from Pay-at-the-Pump.
I'd like to see someone buy all three of Slashdot, Reddit and Digg. "SlashRedDigg, where trolls are the news."
Where are all the buggy makers going to work when people stop driving buggies?
Where are all of the film developers going to work when people stop using film?
Where are all of the steel workers going to work when we ship our foundries to China?
Where are all of the assembly line workers going to work when we replace them with robots?
Where are all of the secretaries from the pool going to work when we replace them with computers and software?
This question, time and time again. The answer(s)?
1. Subsistence farming.
2. McDonalds.
3. Pray you have enough safety net for retraining. And enough time/lifespan left.
And if my time was worthless and I wanted to do nothing else with my day, sure - I could walk that. On the same stupid roads as I tried to bike it.
Exactly this. When I lived my closest to work (5 miles), public transit involved an additional 2 hours of travel time on each end of the day, and removed by ability to work late (a requirement of the job), and had me outside in Midwestern winters for 10-15 minutes at each stop.
And forget biking. The one road that ran where I needed to was narrow and had no separate bike lane - I biked to work three times and nearly died every time. It's not about my biking ability, it's about the stupidity of the average American SUV-driver.
Misclicked the moderation button. Posting to remove it.
Math is FTA, detailing the costs of the program ...
CANDU runs on unenriched fuel, if you want it to. Or the 'waste' from other reactors. Advanced (meaning Gen 3+) CANDU runs on slightly enriched fuel. If you are starting fresh with no legacy reactors to fuel, there is zero need for a massively expensive and overdone enrichment program. Take that into account along with the history here so far (enrichment levels, posturing, Russia's offers, etc.). To me, anyways, that strongly suggests that there is an ulterior motive to this particular enrichment program.
This was by far not the start of this kind of thing, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... for an example.
All of the math presented here for "fuel", plus the existence of the CANDU reactor: how it's sold, it's fuel cycle, and its waste profile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Something with a half life that long is pretty much a non-issue. Do you understand what half-life (not from Valve Software) means?
Please tell me which element you're worried about. How about the uranium in the granite surrounding Denver?
Too late, too bad. Our Keurig bit the dust shortly after the DRM pods hit the shelves. We didn't replace it. We won't replace it. One more drop in the lost customers bucket for Keurig, but enough of them add up to a flood.
This seems like it would be incredibly simple to analyze the second time around. Offline backup into a VM and snapshotting would render the auto-destruct very educational.
I believe Ammo Box is implied in his "Short of revolution, we have done everything we can." statement.
Check this out, especially at 2:44 onwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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