I agree and postfix is very easy to set up. It's just a text-file that you modify. Once you have done it a few times, it is really, really easy and it can be done remotely.
And if you need even more handholding, have a look at the open source version of SME server. You can DNS, SMB, Mail, LDAP up and running in about an hour.
http://contribs.org
Setting up an email server is meant to be done by a professional, that is my whole point. You should have some knowledge of what you are doing and it really isn't terribly difficult.
Although I much prefer postfix, I can set up a complex Sendmail site with multiple domains and aliases in under an hour. I can do postfix in 20 minutes.
You failed to read my comments closely. I expect a company to hire qualified Linux professionals if they intend to deploy Linux, not the first monkey that walks through the door and certainly I wouldn't hire a Microsoft-shop to do a Linux job.
There is no truth to the campaign, period. What your response tells me is that there are a bunch of fearful Microsoft techs that are spreading vile about Linux because they don't want to take a few hours a week to do a little retraining. Their loss.
Linux is here and it works now. Try MDK 10. Fast, stable and full-featured. Isn't that the kind of OS that we want in the Oval Office at a time of unprecedented change and challenges?
Microsoft has started the largest FUD campaign that I can remember against open source. It is doing all it can to portray Linux as not a real operating system, but the hobby of bunch of loony hippies.
I guess the fact that the focus of the campaign appears to be foreign governments and businesses means that it has stayed largely below the radar of US journalists and Free Software advocates in the US.
They are taking page-size ads in the most recognized newspapers in Argentina, Brazil, Spain, and Mexico (those are the ones that I know about directly, but I am told that the campaign is global) and they are displaying the stories of people who allegedly tried to switch to Linux and came back running to the safe arms of Microsoft mamma.
And the stories are all very similar. For instance, in Argentina, they used Grimaldi, a shoe manufacturer as the example. When you dig into the story, you discover that the company that was supposed to carry out Grimaldi's migration to Linux is a Windows certified partner and a windows-only shop. The idiots could not get sendmail or postfix up-and-running and thus claim that it doesn't work. They then told Grimaldi, surprise, surprise, not to bother with Linux because it just doesn't work.
The Free Software and open source communities need to have a global response to this last smear campaign, lest we allow others to define how Linux truly works. I can't tell you how many Windows techs I encounter who are convinced that there are no GUIs or IM clients for Linux or that it is impossible to watch multimedia content on a Linux box.
In summary, Microsoft has been paying some big names to use them as poster children of their "Linux is too messy and difficult adn thus expensive campaign". We need to create a site where we exposed Microsoft lies and we need to do it soon. Anybody can get a plone site up and running that we can use to debunk these myths?
Well, there are very bad proprietary licenses and worse proprietary licenses, but all of them are bad in my book.
For instance, among the more reasonable ones, is I believe, although I could be mistaken, the one that ships with OS-X that allows you to install in up to five computers in your household.
But by definition, a proprietary license does not give you any rights to share or modify the code or re-release it and sell it.
This is not a legal issue but a moral one. The GPL is intended to create an ecosystem of free software and to discourage the creation of proprietary code, because proprietary code makes it illegal for me to help my neighbor.
What Novell is asking people to do is to sign over the copyright to their code so that they can produce both proprietary and GPL software based on that code.
Well, what happens when all the nice bells and whistles are only added to the proprietary version of evolution? This version becomes much more appealing. As a result, there is a demand for it and users begin to leave the GPL version in drones.
In the end, the bulk of the app's code is only released to lower maintenance costs, while the nice bells are proprietary and you can no longer share the software freely. In philosophical terms, Novell's decision is purely utalitarian, rather than based on the conviction that Free Sofware is the morally correct choice.
In essence, Novell's request for copyright respects the letter but violates the spirit of the GPL.
By signing your copyright over to Novell, you are saying that you do not care all that much about creating communities that share free software, because you are implicitly allowing your code to be contributed to a non-free application. The only way I would sign my code over is if Novell agrees to distribute ALL OF evolution under the GPL at PERPETUITY.
Granny can either go to the Control Center to install software with a pretty GUI or double click on an rpm and watch a pretty GUI open.
And by the way, Granny does not install software. She calls good old grandson who connects remotely from home while asking Granny how the cat's doing and installs the app before she can say "come over for some chocolate cookies".
Dude, stop spreading disinformation. It is not helping anyone.
1) A couple of regions in Spain have a combined total of over 100,000 Linux desktops
2)If a piece of software is found to infringe someone's patents, your only recourse would be to go after the maker of the software, but you will get no love going after end users who unknowingly infringe your patent.
3) You may only be able to stop distribution of "infringing softaware" in places where your patent is recognized and a patent regime exists, a growing number of places, unfortunately, but not ubiquitous yet.
I have had very, very good luck with egroupware. We have been running it for the past three months and it has been wonderful.
It is also more featurefull than Exchange and it will soon work with both Outlook and Kontact. In fact, the Outlook plugin I believe is already done or you could help finish it up by paying one of the developers.
Egroupware is a fork of phpgroupware, which has been around forever. Egroupware's mythical 1.0 release is about to come out, but we have been using it for a while without issues.
Are vandalism and terrorism now interchangeable terms?
This country's language has been co-opted by the hard right to such an extent that even progressives like you often have had your consciousness arrested.
Other than that, I am with you about the importance of sensible tactics.
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Loaded words, mucho?
Who defines what's sedition? Do you remember an old document that argues that when a government has become too corrupt and opressive, its citizens might be justified in overthrowing it by any means necessary?
As far as I am concerned, the Republicats are guilty of treason themselves for misleading Americans into war, selling the country to the Chinese by borrowing hugely from them and passing the Patriot Act, which represents the biggest erosion in civil liberties that we have seen in the past 25 years.
I am thinking about buying an Ipod, but my whole music collection is in ogg-vorbis. Can I use ogg-vorbis with the Ipod either directly or through a third-party add-on?
And is there an easy way to move files to it from Linux? I heard about gtkpod a while back, but I don't know how well that works. Anybody using it?
There is no way that I am taking the time to re-encode everything to mp3 or AAC.
Look, of course, security is a process and there is no perfectly secure system. I am criticizing Oxford for not attending to that process with enough resources. Had these students exploited a very obscure bug after months of research, I would have to excuse Oxford and say that they were trying. But if they are able to crack the security of the network in less than a minute, then something is terribly amiss and it needs fixing and light, not damage control and obscurity.
Can systems be and remain secure? You bettcha. Is it a lot of work? Sure. But I wouldn't expect any less from a first-rate research institutions.
By the way, your analogies are beside the point,so I will not address them, other than to state that if a cupboard full of dangerous drugs is left unsecured at a children's facility, you would be thanking the parent that pointed out the obvious lack of security guidelines in that facility.
I am appalled at the number of people justifying what Oxford Univeristy is attempting to do. Have you heard of Whistleblowing, which I consider a fundamental service to any functioning democracy?
Look Oxford has been entrusted with the personal information of their students. They are the ones that should be facing the heavy and lorn arm of the law and not the students that brought the problems to everyone's attention.
As long as they did not do any harm, and they didn't, these students ought to be rewarded, not punished. How the fuck are you supposed to find out if a university is doing what it's supposed to? Are we supposed to just take at their word?
I have tried all of the tools available on rpm-based systems, yast, apt, yum, and urpmi is by far the best.
Why?
*It's dependency handling is superb.
*Urpmi has been honed for a long, long time, longer than apt-for-rpm or yum.
*It makes it dead easy to do parallel installation to a bunch of systems from one master one.
*It is much more efficient than yum. And Yast is a pain if you want to install software from a bunch of external repositories. So long as you stay with what's on the CDs, you are good. Additionally, Suse apt-for-rpm is neither as mature nor does it have the big repositories that Mandrake's urpmi has. I realize that this has to do with the respective size of Mandrake's and Suse's communities. By the same token, it also means, that urpmi has been in wide use for a long time and is very tested.
*It would be great to only have to learn about one way of installing software in all rpms systems.
I am happy that this is available as it will soothe some people that do not consider a desktop ready and less they have familiar proprietary software on it.
For the rest of us, here's the real EASY way to watch DVDs in Linux:
1) Install Mandrake 10 2) Google for easy urpmi and set up the plf repository as per the instructions on that page (I promise, it's real easy) 3) urpmi libdvdcss 4) Put a DVD in the drive and watch as it begins playing without any further intervention with full support for menus.
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I agree and postfix is very easy to set up. It's just a text-file that you modify. Once you have done it a few times, it is really, really easy and it can be done remotely.
And if you need even more handholding, have a look at the open source version of SME server. You can DNS, SMB, Mail, LDAP up and running in about an hour.
http://contribs.org
Setting up an email server is meant to be done by a professional, that is my whole point. You should have some knowledge of what you are doing and it really isn't terribly difficult.
Good day.
Although I much prefer postfix, I can set up a complex Sendmail site with multiple domains and aliases in under an hour. I can do postfix in 20 minutes.
You failed to read my comments closely. I expect a company to hire qualified Linux professionals if they intend to deploy Linux, not the first monkey that walks through the door and certainly I wouldn't hire a Microsoft-shop to do a Linux job.
There is no truth to the campaign, period. What your response tells me is that there are a bunch of fearful Microsoft techs that are spreading vile about Linux because they don't want to take a few hours a week to do a little retraining. Their loss.
Linux is here and it works now. Try MDK 10. Fast, stable and full-featured. Isn't that the kind of OS that we want in the Oval Office at a time of unprecedented change and challenges?
Ooops, wrong speech.
Hi Erick.
Microsoft has started the largest FUD campaign that I can remember against open source. It is doing all it can to portray Linux as not a real operating system, but the hobby of bunch of loony hippies.
I guess the fact that the focus of the campaign appears to be foreign governments and businesses means that it has stayed largely below the radar of US journalists and Free Software advocates in the US.
They are taking page-size ads in the most recognized newspapers in Argentina, Brazil, Spain, and Mexico (those are the ones that I know about directly, but I am told that the campaign is global) and they are displaying the stories of people who allegedly tried to switch to Linux and came back running to the safe arms of Microsoft mamma.
And the stories are all very similar. For instance, in Argentina, they used Grimaldi, a shoe manufacturer as the example. When you dig into the story, you discover that the company that was supposed to carry out Grimaldi's migration to Linux is a Windows certified partner and a windows-only shop. The idiots could not get sendmail or postfix up-and-running and thus claim that it doesn't work. They then told Grimaldi, surprise, surprise, not to bother with Linux because it just doesn't work.
The Free Software and open source communities need to have a global response to this last smear campaign, lest we allow others to define how Linux truly works. I can't tell you how many Windows techs I encounter who are convinced that there are no GUIs or IM clients for Linux or that it is impossible to watch multimedia content on a Linux box.
In summary, Microsoft has been paying some big names to use them as poster children of their "Linux is too messy and difficult adn thus expensive campaign". We need to create a site where we exposed Microsoft lies and we need to do it soon. Anybody can get a plone site up and running that we can use to debunk these myths?
Well, there are very bad proprietary licenses and worse proprietary licenses, but all of them are bad in my book.
For instance, among the more reasonable ones, is I believe, although I could be mistaken, the one that ships with OS-X that allows you to install in up to five computers in your household.
But by definition, a proprietary license does not give you any rights to share or modify the code or re-release it and sell it.
This is not a legal issue but a moral one. The GPL is intended to create an ecosystem of free software and to discourage the creation of proprietary code, because proprietary code makes it illegal for me to help my neighbor.
What Novell is asking people to do is to sign over the copyright to their code so that they can produce both proprietary and GPL software based on that code.
Well, what happens when all the nice bells and whistles are only added to the proprietary version of evolution? This version becomes much more appealing. As a result, there is a demand for it and users begin to leave the GPL version in drones.
In the end, the bulk of the app's code is only released to lower maintenance costs, while the nice bells are proprietary and you can no longer share the software freely. In philosophical terms, Novell's decision is purely utalitarian, rather than based on the conviction that Free Sofware is the morally correct choice.
In essence, Novell's request for copyright respects the letter but violates the spirit of the GPL.
By signing your copyright over to Novell, you are saying that you do not care all that much about creating communities that share free software, because you are implicitly allowing your code to be contributed to a non-free application. The only way I would sign my code over is if Novell agrees to distribute ALL OF evolution under the GPL at PERPETUITY.
Why are you thinking of switching? That is the key question.
Mandrake 10 is very, very good. My only qualm with it has been PMCIA support for Wifi cards. Other than, it is very fast and very stable.
It's multimedia "readiness" is superb.
Google for easy urpmi, then add plf and contrib repositories and you have thousands of applications at your fingertips.
urpmi libdvdcss
After that, getting DVDs to play out of the box is as easy as putting a DVD in the drive.
Getting mplayer installed with all the fancy codecs is as easy as:
urpmi gui-mplayer.
Urpmi knows to get mplayer and all the funky win32 proprietary codecs. The key is to set up plf and contrib.
Have fun
Nonsense.
Granny can either go to the Control Center to install software with a pretty GUI or double click on an rpm and watch a pretty GUI open.
And by the way, Granny does not install software. She calls good old grandson who connects remotely from home while asking Granny how the cat's doing and installs the app before she can say "come over for some chocolate cookies".
Dude, stop spreading disinformation. It is not helping anyone.
This might be "interesting" in an interesting sort of way, but is certainly uninformed. Urpmi existed way before yum and is at this stage more mature.
As far as clicking on an rpm and installing and resolving dependencies automatically, that also has been the default behavior for a long time.
Insightful, my ass.
This clown has been posting the same drivel on slashdot since time immemorial and I don't believe a word he says.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the existence of the wonderful ktouch program, which is part of the kedu suite.
If you want to learn to type or improve your typing, give it a go. I am using it at a community center and have had great success with it.
Three points:
1) A couple of regions in Spain have a combined total of over 100,000 Linux desktops
2)If a piece of software is found to infringe someone's patents, your only recourse would be to go after the maker of the software, but you will get no love going after end users who unknowingly infringe your patent.
3) You may only be able to stop distribution of "infringing softaware" in places where your patent is recognized and a patent regime exists, a growing number of places, unfortunately, but not ubiquitous yet.
I have had very, very good luck with egroupware. We have been running it for the past three months and it has been wonderful.
It is also more featurefull than Exchange and it will soon work with both Outlook and Kontact. In fact, the Outlook plugin I believe is already done or you could help finish it up by paying one of the developers.
Egroupware is a fork of phpgroupware, which has been around forever. Egroupware's mythical 1.0 release is about to come out, but we have been using it for a while without issues.
Have fun.
Nonsense.
I suggest, if you truly wanted to understand this, that you read Eric Alterman's "What Liberal Media?
And here's the introduction to it:
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/intro.pdf
So why don't you explain to us the errors in those phrases or are empty rhetorical exercises the best you can do?
And claiming to be some old hippy doesn't get you any points in my book, but thanks for playing.
Are vandalism and terrorism now interchangeable terms?
This country's language has been co-opted by the hard right to such an extent that even progressives like you often have had your consciousness arrested.
Other than that, I am with you about the importance of sensible tactics.
Loaded words, mucho?
Who defines what's sedition? Do you remember an old document that argues that when a government has become too corrupt and opressive, its citizens might be justified in overthrowing it by any means necessary?
As far as I am concerned, the Republicats are guilty of treason themselves for misleading Americans into war, selling the country to the Chinese by borrowing hugely from them and passing the Patriot Act, which represents the biggest erosion in civil liberties that we have seen in the past 25 years.
Well, Sun is pathetic, indeed.
But Novell has groupwise, OpenExchange or they could even deploy egroupware if that is what the customer wants.
I believe that Sun doesn't really want to push Linux and therefore hasn't really learned how to sell it.
That project tries to add ogg support to Quicktime on Windows, so that doesn't really help me one bit.
. ht ml
I discovered this petition and I encourage others to sign it:
http://www.petitiononline.com/appl1435/petition
I am thinking about buying an Ipod, but my whole music collection is in ogg-vorbis. Can I use ogg-vorbis with the Ipod either directly or through a third-party add-on?
And is there an easy way to move files to it from Linux? I heard about gtkpod a while back, but I don't know how well that works. Anybody using it?
There is no way that I am taking the time to re-encode everything to mp3 or AAC.
Nonsense. Your answer is a non sequitur.
Look, of course, security is a process and there is no perfectly secure system. I am criticizing Oxford for not attending to that process with enough resources. Had these students exploited a very obscure bug after months of research, I would have to excuse Oxford and say that they were trying. But if they are able to crack the security of the network in less than a minute, then something is terribly amiss and it needs fixing and light, not damage control and obscurity.
Can systems be and remain secure? You bettcha. Is it a lot of work? Sure. But I wouldn't expect any less from a first-rate research institutions.
By the way, your analogies are beside the point,so I will not address them, other than to state that if a cupboard full of dangerous drugs is left unsecured at a children's facility, you would be thanking the parent that pointed out the obvious lack of security guidelines in that facility.
I am appalled at the number of people justifying what Oxford Univeristy is attempting to do. Have you heard of Whistleblowing, which I consider a fundamental service to any functioning democracy?
Look Oxford has been entrusted with the personal information of their students. They are the ones that should be facing the heavy and lorn arm of the law and not the students that brought the problems to everyone's attention.
As long as they did not do any harm, and they didn't, these students ought to be rewarded, not punished. How the fuck are you supposed to find out if a university is doing what it's supposed to? Are we supposed to just take at their word?
I don't think so!
I have tried all of the tools available on rpm-based systems, yast, apt, yum, and urpmi is by far the best.
Why?
*It's dependency handling is superb.
*Urpmi has been honed for a long, long time, longer than apt-for-rpm or yum.
*It makes it dead easy to do parallel installation to a bunch of systems from one master one.
*It is much more efficient than yum. And Yast is a pain if you want to install software from a bunch of external repositories. So long as you stay with what's on the CDs, you are good. Additionally, Suse apt-for-rpm is neither as mature nor does it have the big repositories that Mandrake's urpmi has. I realize that this has to do with the respective size of Mandrake's and Suse's communities. By the same token, it also means, that urpmi has been in wide use for a long time and is very tested.
*It would be great to only have to learn about one way of installing software in all rpms systems.
I am happy that this is available as it will soothe some people that do not consider a desktop ready and less they have familiar proprietary software on it.
For the rest of us, here's the real EASY way to watch DVDs in Linux:
1) Install Mandrake 10
2) Google for easy urpmi and set up the plf repository as per the instructions on that page (I promise, it's real easy)
3) urpmi libdvdcss
4) Put a DVD in the drive and watch as it begins playing without any further intervention with full support for menus.
I am the honcho/organizer/director/whateveryouwannacallme of our 180-person lug. I only know 1 guy that runs Gnome.
Derive your own conclusions.