Very true... But not for long, which is the point.
It's a dual use system - you get rid of just about every sort of "problem", as well as "problem causing people"... Until there is (probably) just one person left alive...
without seeking damages.. GPL has no teeth. more of a, "lets infringe and see, whats the worst that could happen" attitude. asside from that it COSTS money to goto court in the fist place. If the RIAA didnt seek damages would anyone have stopped Kazaing?
To seek damages you must be able to make a supporting case that damage actually occurred. This is why the **AA's claim that every song downloaded is a sale they lost (stupid argument, but the one they use for the damages part).
Violation of the GPL is more like trespass - you do not need to show a person damaged you or any other thing... merely that they trespassed.
Under many legal systems you can not even bring a court action unless you can prove (or at least make a argument, as the **AA does) that you actually sustained a quantifiable 'damage'.
So what the GPL actually does is more like: "If you trespass, we will ask you to abide by the terms of crossing our 'land', if you do then you may cross and no trespass will have occurred. But if you do not agree to the terms of use, then we will have the sheriff come take you off our land."
It is inherently difficult to show quantifiable damage for the use of something that is free to start with.
This is one of the reasons for version 3 of the GPL - clarity over what actions you may be liable for if you violate the GPL.
you should try it. I can't guaranty anything, but I doubt that Pudge's code is compromised. So I wouldn't be too worried about the javascript aspect of the new Slash code - at least as implemented on Slashdot.
I can't get it to work with Konqueror,but it works fine with Firefox. I don't even own a 'doze box so I don't know about that - but I'm sure it should work with IE.
But I also hope they just run the two versions side by side, so to speak, although the new system is interesting.
It's a judge's job to apply existing law to specific cases. It's exactly the judge's job to interpret 'service' and 'accessible', and to then explain how he reached those conculsions in his opinion (thus "case law" and "precedent"). That's how the Anglo-American system of law has worked for several centuries now.
Worked?
Are you sure you didn't mean "has been used"?
Or more precisely "has been used against the common man, in favor of the wealthy...."
Come on, it's called humor... relax a bit before you hit Troll...
If all projections are correct, then The Singularity gets here first, and then *they* can take care of the climate problem... if *they* see it as a problem...
So OK you got first and second. I've been moderating (of course not in this thread now), and read the articles too - and like you can't think of anything to say... a giant so what's new?
Comments show up when someone figures something to comment about - or when 2 people like us just blather about nothing.
You & me about as off topic as it gets.
Well maybe better brains will show up with something on topic.
This (and more) has been easily accomplished by BO for a long time. Since Def Con 6 or prior, at least.
I have no idea if it works on newer 'doze systems (despite the NewToNix handle - a small joke) I left 'doze behind when '98 was the new kid on the block - largely because of the CULT OF THE DEAD COW presentation of BO.
They made their point, at least to me.
Presumably Google will not do this as, or in, a Trojan like manner.
Plants cannot work without light. Therefore, light is part of plants.
Yes that is true.
Photosynthesis literally causes light to become part of the plant. As photons are 'absorbed' the chlorophyll uses that energy to create sugars which the plant can use for energy (greatly simplified description, of course). The photon is not reflected or lost, it is used - so light is part of the plant.
No flaw there.
However that does not make the plant a part of light... any more then a CPU being part of GNU/Linux system makes GNU/Linux part of the CPU.
That is why 'AMD-CPU/GNU/Linux' is a logically correct statement - but 'GNU/Linux/AMD-CPU' would not be.
At lest not yet - until the day comes that GNU/Linux owns AMD and designs the CPU so it's internal logic rests on GNU/Linux... My guess is that day is.. well, rather remote...
Precisely. Thank you. That's what I've been having to explain to every single one of the zillions of people who seem to be replying with nothing but "to hell with what you want, someone you don't know has views that matter more than yours do".
You know it's a lot like an art gallery, or a museum... there is often a general theme that runs through it, but you need not linger over a painting or statue you don't care for.
I suspect the deal is that some people like to be led from A to Z (take the whole museum/musical tour, as designed by whoever), and others like to skip around on their own.
Either way is OK, but I find it odd that those who like to be led are rather insistent that we all be led... those of us that like to skip around don't seem to care much if the other guy wants to be led.
Sort of weird... and typical of all herd animals... oh wait, this is/.
A linux operating system cannot work without a CPU.
Therefore the CPU is part of the linux operating system.
Therefore the operating systems which I use are AMD/linux and Intel/linux.
There is no flaw in that logic.
Which is the entire point of the GPLv3...
If hardware can be closed to modified code, that was obtained from GPL'd code, and as 'Linux' does use GNU GPL'd code (Linus's past options are not relevant, they have already been made), then it follows that AMD/Linux, Intel/Linux, would be a copyleft violation, unless they allow modified code to run.
This does not stop hardware manufactures from doing as they please - but if they are going to lock out modified code, they have to write their own code, not use GPL'd code.
So to the extent that modified code can run on AMD/Intel (and, of course it does), it's quite fair to say AMD/GNU/Linux or Intel/GNU/Linux.
Being American, this has an American slant - feel free to change it to suit your country...
If you can read this, thank a teacher
If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier
If you use GNU/Linux, thank RMS
If you can run your OSS program sans a compiler, then you could thank Linus.
The point is that like the soldier, RMS made it possible for Linus to excel with his Kernel.
It could also be argued that Hurd wasn't getting the job done and Linus did.
But in the final analysis you need to consider which came first - no GNU tools, no nice OS to use - the kernel is just a file system, a very useful one, true, but only when combined with the free things RMS had spent years fighting for..
One should never forget, or undervalue the soldier - even when it 'seems' his time has passed... because it never really does.
And yes you can just put me down as a FSF fanboy... I'm rather proud of it.
/. is just a bunch of vaguely related opinions, this one is mine...
None of my albums contain any filler, and none of them contain mediocre songs either... because I burn them to suit myself.
I even mix artists! On the same album!
Music, is in the ear of the listener... not in the layout of an album... whether laid out by the artist or the label...
What and how I listen to whatever I chose to listen to is, and should be, up to me.
The notion that I must experience something as some other person or power, thinks I should is like some kind of perverted Clockwork Orange, where my ears are forced open to listen to the official version...
All, one, some, none - my choice - it's called freedom...
... the **AA, and the horse (labels) they rode in on too...
That short term memory theory? Definately not true. It's a false theory used as justification for keeping goldfish in a bowl, which is in reality cruel. Goldfish raised in a stimulating environment can be quite intelligent, being able to be trained such things as playing basketball
I don't have a dolphin to compare this to, but I do have 5 goldfish. I bought them at Wally World originally as a 'perpetual motion cat toy' for my cat (that didn't work - the cat treats looking at the fish like it was a TV, and ignores them).
The point?
I have taught my fish to jump through rings (shower curtain rings), and other tricks.
They seem to remember everything quite well for about 15 days, after which they slowly lose the 'fine details' of the tricks.
However much as they say about riding a bicycle (which they can't do yet, but we're working on it), they will 're-learn' any trick they once learned in just a few trials, even after some months.
And it turns out they like to watch the cat...
I've never had a pet fish before in my life (I'm 64) so I had no preconceived notions about what to expect.
I did figure out in the first three days that the 10 gallon tank wasn't going to work out for 5 fish... we are at a 100 gallon tank now and I expect at the rate they grow it will have to be larger soon.
Goldfish are interesting, and quite playful - they can tell me from other people - probably because I hand feed them.
I do not know how they would do with a net, because I have never used one, I just pick them up by hand, if I need to move them to a temporary tank while I clean the large tank, every so often.
I'm fairly sure I couldn't do that with a dolphin...
And yes they probably would jump out of the tank... we are trying to 'jump' out of our atmosphere too, and regrettably every so often astronauts die trying that very thing....
Don't be so quick to dismiss that thought, not all that many years ago no one on earth believed in a 'vacuum'... I guess the Pope at the time would have thought given a ladder long enough he could have climbed to the moon - he wouldn't have considered dieing in a 'non existent' vacuum...
The urge to explore is a trait of intelligence, I think... and that's why a Goldfish will jump out of his tank... he just has no way to 'know' it's not water out here as well as in there.
Remember it wasn't curiosity that killed the cat, it was ignorance.
Well so I just learned a bit more about / code - it warns you that your mods are lost when you try to post - even after you have no more points to use. Which is OK - that seems to be the deal.
But it does not warn you that it's going to do the same thing after you use the A/C button and preview.
So I can say I wasn't warned - but that's OK, I learned something.
sorry to those people I modded up that just lost my effort to make their views heard.
Not bitching here, just apologizing for my lack of knowledge - and a slight error, I think, in the/code.
Ah well, it was my first try at A/C posting - and my last... a learning experience.
As long as you *could* write your own software to replace bits of the system, or interoperate with the system, then you dont necessarily have to for the benefit to be very real indeed.
I don't think it's a question of *could* that is important.
It's the question of *may* that is at issue.
I could write some software to replace some bits of a given system - that does not mean that I *may* write it legally.
And for me that's the point - the entire point - retaining my rights so that I *may*, if I want, and can, write or rewrite any bit or all of the soft I'm using.
It follows then that proprietary software is always making the system less free, for it relies on restricting not what I can do, but what I may do.
We fight the war on terror by becoming ever more terrorized - by our own government, for there own not quite clear reasons... shadowy people engaged in shadowy dealings - that you can't be told about (AT&T + NSA, etc.).
Nice confusing things like color codes to tell us how afraid to be on any given day.
A vast feeling that the people in charge, aren't really the entities in charge, only the representatives of some powerful cabal.
That you are a tiny cog helplessly caught in a web of half truths and out right lies, over which you have no control.
Welcome to America. The land of the Free and Home of the Brave... once upon a time anyway.
The thing that truly bothers me is that I'm old enough (64) that I know this is largely my, and my generation's, fault. I wish I knew where we went wrong. That we did is obvious... that we can't correct our error is also obvious (old men grouse about things - it falls to young men to act). I wish I could recommend a course of action, but I suspect we (my generation) actually threw it all away, without noticing.
We sure didn't teach one damn thing to our (collective) kids about standing up and bucking the system - we seem to have taught them to go for the Bright Shiny and to have the "I'm a victim" attitude about hard choices.
we succeed in our destiny - to give birth to silicone based life forms... and are wise enough that they like us when they wake up and take over.
I'm not talking 'matrix' here. I'm very serious - Humans are not well designed for the universe we find ourselves in. We are well enough designed for the niche we occupy for the moment - as long as that niche exists - we live in a manger with a limited supply of hay.
But we are uniquely equipped to create beings that will be well designed, and capable of improving their own design, for a more 'universal' existence.
What we need to work hard at is being sure they are not indifferent to our existence (they will not be hostile - why should they? We will represent no threat to them).
Technology isn't just the 'answer to our problems', it's the only reason we exist at all.
Slashdot Mirror
Surely that was 'Triple Pay' that Cisco figures they just got the patent for.
Screw patents - ignore them at every opportunity - future generations will hold you in high regard for it.
Very true... But not for long, which is the point.
It's a dual use system - you get rid of just about every sort of "problem", as well as "problem causing people"... Until there is (probably) just one person left alive...
Do away with the entire concept of voting.
Let anyone that wants public office have it... Make the penalty for failure to do something useful for the common person, while in office, death.
Allow any person to enforce the penalty, if so inclined, without fear of repercussion in any way.
Problem solved.
It's the footprint that mattered.
Oxymoron... How about a forum where the partisans don't just degenerate into having a flame fest.
No this isn't troll, just an observation that all political discussions, in any forum, are partisan.
One might hope for non-partisan consensus to emerge from a forum... but I wouldn't count on it.
To seek damages you must be able to make a supporting case that damage actually occurred. This is why the **AA's claim that every song downloaded is a sale they lost (stupid argument, but the one they use for the damages part).
Violation of the GPL is more like trespass - you do not need to show a person damaged you or any other thing... merely that they trespassed.
Under many legal systems you can not even bring a court action unless you can prove (or at least make a argument, as the **AA does) that you actually sustained a quantifiable 'damage'.
So what the GPL actually does is more like: "If you trespass, we will ask you to abide by the terms of crossing our 'land', if you do then you may cross and no trespass will have occurred. But if you do not agree to the terms of use, then we will have the sheriff come take you off our land."
It is inherently difficult to show quantifiable damage for the use of something that is free to start with.
This is one of the reasons for version 3 of the GPL - clarity over what actions you may be liable for if you violate the GPL.
you should try it. I can't guaranty anything, but I doubt that Pudge's code is compromised. So I wouldn't be too worried about the javascript aspect of the new Slash code - at least as implemented on Slashdot.
I can't get it to work with Konqueror,but it works fine with Firefox. I don't even own a 'doze box so I don't know about that - but I'm sure it should work with IE.
But I also hope they just run the two versions side by side, so to speak, although the new system is interesting.
Unless you click the "I am willing to help test Slashdot's New Discussion System." box...
Worked?
Are you sure you didn't mean "has been used"?
Or more precisely "has been used against the common man, in favor of the wealthy...."
Come on, it's called humor... relax a bit before you hit Troll...
If all projections are correct, then The Singularity gets here first, and then *they* can take care of the climate problem... if *they* see it as a problem...
Comments show up when someone figures something to comment about - or when 2 people like us just blather about nothing.
You & me about as off topic as it gets.
Well maybe better brains will show up with something on topic.
Congrats on both a first and second post...
I have no idea if it works on newer 'doze systems (despite the NewToNix handle - a small joke) I left 'doze behind when '98 was the new kid on the block - largely because of the CULT OF THE DEAD COW presentation of BO.
They made their point, at least to me.
Presumably Google will not do this as, or in, a Trojan like manner.
I hope!
We call that a 'campfire' now a days...
Yes that is true.
Photosynthesis literally causes light to become part of the plant. As photons are 'absorbed' the chlorophyll uses that energy to create sugars which the plant can use for energy (greatly simplified description, of course). The photon is not reflected or lost, it is used - so light is part of the plant.
No flaw there.
However that does not make the plant a part of light... any more then a CPU being part of GNU/Linux system makes GNU/Linux part of the CPU.
That is why 'AMD-CPU/GNU/Linux' is a logically correct statement - but 'GNU/Linux/AMD-CPU' would not be.
At lest not yet - until the day comes that GNU/Linux owns AMD and designs the CPU so it's internal logic rests on GNU/Linux... My guess is that day is .. well, rather remote...
You know it's a lot like an art gallery, or a museum... there is often a general theme that runs through it, but you need not linger over a painting or statue you don't care for.
I suspect the deal is that some people like to be led from A to Z (take the whole museum/musical tour, as designed by whoever), and others like to skip around on their own.
Either way is OK, but I find it odd that those who like to be led are rather insistent that we all be led... those of us that like to skip around don't seem to care much if the other guy wants to be led.
Sort of weird... and typical of all herd animals... oh wait, this is /.
There is no flaw in that logic.
Which is the entire point of the GPLv3...
If hardware can be closed to modified code, that was obtained from GPL'd code, and as 'Linux' does use GNU GPL'd code (Linus's past options are not relevant, they have already been made), then it follows that AMD/Linux, Intel/Linux, would be a copyleft violation, unless they allow modified code to run.
This does not stop hardware manufactures from doing as they please - but if they are going to lock out modified code, they have to write their own code, not use GPL'd code.
So to the extent that modified code can run on AMD/Intel (and, of course it does), it's quite fair to say AMD/GNU/Linux or Intel/GNU/Linux.
Just credit the GNU part.
If you can read this, thank a teacher
If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier
If you use GNU/Linux, thank RMS
If you can run your OSS program sans a compiler, then you could thank Linus.
The point is that like the soldier, RMS made it possible for Linus to excel with his Kernel.
It could also be argued that Hurd wasn't getting the job done and Linus did.
But in the final analysis you need to consider which came first - no GNU tools, no nice OS to use - the kernel is just a file system, a very useful one, true, but only when combined with the free things RMS had spent years fighting for..
One should never forget, or undervalue the soldier - even when it 'seems' his time has passed... because it never really does.
And yes you can just put me down as a FSF fanboy... I'm rather proud of it.
None of my albums contain any filler, and none of them contain mediocre songs either... because I burn them to suit myself.
I even mix artists! On the same album!
Music, is in the ear of the listener... not in the layout of an album... whether laid out by the artist or the label...
What and how I listen to whatever I chose to listen to is, and should be, up to me.
The notion that I must experience something as some other person or power, thinks I should is like some kind of perverted Clockwork Orange, where my ears are forced open to listen to the official version...
All, one, some, none - my choice - it's called freedom...
I don't have a dolphin to compare this to, but I do have 5 goldfish. I bought them at Wally World originally as a 'perpetual motion cat toy' for my cat (that didn't work - the cat treats looking at the fish like it was a TV, and ignores them).
The point?
I have taught my fish to jump through rings (shower curtain rings), and other tricks.
They seem to remember everything quite well for about 15 days, after which they slowly lose the 'fine details' of the tricks.
However much as they say about riding a bicycle (which they can't do yet, but we're working on it), they will 're-learn' any trick they once learned in just a few trials, even after some months.
And it turns out they like to watch the cat...
I've never had a pet fish before in my life (I'm 64) so I had no preconceived notions about what to expect.
I did figure out in the first three days that the 10 gallon tank wasn't going to work out for 5 fish... we are at a 100 gallon tank now and I expect at the rate they grow it will have to be larger soon.
Goldfish are interesting, and quite playful - they can tell me from other people - probably because I hand feed them.
I do not know how they would do with a net, because I have never used one, I just pick them up by hand, if I need to move them to a temporary tank while I clean the large tank, every so often.
I'm fairly sure I couldn't do that with a dolphin...
And yes they probably would jump out of the tank... we are trying to 'jump' out of our atmosphere too, and regrettably every so often astronauts die trying that very thing....
Don't be so quick to dismiss that thought, not all that many years ago no one on earth believed in a 'vacuum'... I guess the Pope at the time would have thought given a ladder long enough he could have climbed to the moon - he wouldn't have considered dieing in a 'non existent' vacuum...
The urge to explore is a trait of intelligence, I think... and that's why a Goldfish will jump out of his tank... he just has no way to 'know' it's not water out here as well as in there.
Remember it wasn't curiosity that killed the cat, it was ignorance.
But it does not warn you that it's going to do the same thing after you use the A/C button and preview.
So I can say I wasn't warned - but that's OK, I learned something.
sorry to those people I modded up that just lost my effort to make their views heard.
Not bitching here, just apologizing for my lack of knowledge - and a slight error, I think, in the /code.
Ah well, it was my first try at A/C posting - and my last... a learning experience.
NewToNix
I don't think it's a question of *could* that is important.
It's the question of *may* that is at issue.
I could write some software to replace some bits of a given system - that does not mean that I *may* write it legally.
And for me that's the point - the entire point - retaining my rights so that I *may* , if I want, and can, write or rewrite any bit or all of the soft I'm using.
It follows then that proprietary software is always making the system less free, for it relies on restricting not what I can do, but what I may do.
This is just another no sig sig.
We fight the war on terror by becoming ever more terrorized - by our own government, for there own not quite clear reasons... shadowy people engaged in shadowy dealings - that you can't be told about (AT&T + NSA, etc.).
Nice confusing things like color codes to tell us how afraid to be on any given day.
A vast feeling that the people in charge, aren't really the entities in charge, only the representatives of some powerful cabal.
That you are a tiny cog helplessly caught in a web of half truths and out right lies, over which you have no control.
Welcome to America. The land of the Free and Home of the Brave... once upon a time anyway.
The thing that truly bothers me is that I'm old enough (64) that I know this is largely my, and my generation's, fault. I wish I knew where we went wrong. That we did is obvious... that we can't correct our error is also obvious (old men grouse about things - it falls to young men to act). I wish I could recommend a course of action, but I suspect we (my generation) actually threw it all away, without noticing.
We sure didn't teach one damn thing to our (collective) kids about standing up and bucking the system - we seem to have taught them to go for the Bright Shiny and to have the "I'm a victim" attitude about hard choices.
So blame me - I do.
The real problem is that most people are unfit to vote, but ALL people are unfit to decide who is fit to vote, and who isn't.
Makes it tough to have a real good electorate...
I'm not talking 'matrix' here. I'm very serious - Humans are not well designed for the universe we find ourselves in. We are well enough designed for the niche we occupy for the moment - as long as that niche exists - we live in a manger with a limited supply of hay.
But we are uniquely equipped to create beings that will be well designed, and capable of improving their own design, for a more 'universal' existence.
What we need to work hard at is being sure they are not indifferent to our existence (they will not be hostile - why should they? We will represent no threat to them).
Technology isn't just the 'answer to our problems', it's the only reason we exist at all.