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Computer Analysis Sets NASA History Straight

Ellis D. Tripp writes, "A computer analysis has upheld Neil Armstrong's version of the first words spoken on the lunar surface. The word 'a' was dropped due to a communications glitch, and Armstrong has been accused of flubbing his words since the historic 1969 landing. The corrected statement was 'That's one small step for *A* man, One giant leap for mankind.'"

278 comments

  1. Good news by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I am glad that's finally sorted - I've been losing sleep over the issue for years.

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    1. Re:Good news by Frightening · · Score: 1

      Well they say "computer analysis", meaning that some geek has been losing bed-time over this for a while. Scary shit.

    2. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought he took credit for it. Anyways, how do they get part of a communications back that was lost during transmission? Did they go back and review the tapes done by the aliens?

    3. Re:Good news by compro01 · · Score: 1

      I always thought he took credit for it. Anyways, how do they get part of a communications back that was lost during transmission? Did they go back and review the tapes done by the aliens?

      i think they were meaning that there was interference (static) that screwed up that part of the transmission and the computer analysis allowed them to clean it up or something.

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    4. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For non-native speakers, exactly what difference does *A* make there?

      I guess now it means a small step for any random man

      But what was the meaning before? Did it mean a small step for me alone or what?

    5. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In this context, man would be short for mankind, so in effect Neil would have been saying "That's one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind". Which is totally stupid. What he thought he was saying was: "That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind", which means that Neil (personally, aka: A man) took one small (1 ft or so off the ladder) step to reach the moon, but it took a giant leap in mankind (Engineering: physical and social) to put a man on the moon.

    6. Re:Good news by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now if only they could find the original Apollo mission tapes

      "Computer analysis" my ass.

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    7. Re:Good news by Richard+A+Lake · · Score: 1

      Without the A in the sentence "man" is a synonym for mankind.

    8. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good news is NASA was right to supress an error until now. Any writer will tell you there's little difference between 'Man's Steps' and 'Mankind's Steps'. That's the whole point. Not a man's steps, not one mankind's steps, but rather by dropping the singularity of one, it suddenly includes all life that MAY OR MAY NOT BE 'Mankind', or simply, like us.

      This takes into account all living things on Earth, Earth itself, and the Universe. Mr. Armstrong's description of setting down his foot was his own. It describes a most cherished event in our history. His tale will be told for a thousand generations. It doesn't change the script.

      One small step for Man, one giant leap for mankind.

      Once you put 'A MAN' in there, it changes the entire meaning to disclude all other life on Earth, The Earth, and the Universe.

      It's just kosher the radio cut out for a bit.

      I know, Mr. Armstrong WAS A MAN.

      But microbes ride our spaceships.

    9. Re:Good news by x2A · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, apparently Armstrong had to super-speed up his speech, to save energy required for transmition or something. Usually you'd use a computer to do this, but that wasn't really possible back then, so he had to just try and say things as fast as possible. This would have lead to breakdown of certain short sounds, such as the 'a'.

      From the article:

      "According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds"

      35 milliseconds for that sentence, and only the 'a' didn't get through, is a lot better than I could do!

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    10. Re:Good news by Amouth · · Score: 1

      does it really mater.. did anyone NOT know what he ment...

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    11. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frightening.

    12. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you captain obvious

    13. Re:Good news by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      I've never had any problem with Armstrong's words.

      I always took "man" to mean simply "the biped known as homo sapiens", a physical thing, whereas mankind is a concept representing that biped's history, culture, hopes, fears, ambitions - the whole deal.

      In which case Armstrong's words can be interpreted as "One small step for homo sapiens, but a whole chapter turned in his story on earth."

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    14. Re:Good news by Phisbut · · Score: 1
      From the article:

      "According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds"

      35 milliseconds for that sentence, and only the 'a' didn't get through, is a lot better than I could do!

      That's just plain impossible. I guess the article meant to say that Armstrong spoke the "missing a" in 35 milliseconds... you can't say more than one syllable in such a short time.

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    15. Re:Good news by mustafap · · Score: 1

      >I've never had any problem with Armstrong's words.

      That's because, thankfully, you are not a member of the grammar police :o)

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    16. Re:Good news by lloyd_powell · · Score: 1

      Man I wish I had moderator points. The question asked what it meant for a non-native speaker. You have never learnt another language? Don't you think a native speaker will find the explanation of points of that language obvious ???

  2. *Ahem* by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    When stories keep changing, it is a sign of a cover up. Yet more proof that the moon landings were a hoax.
    .
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    . ...
    (now to take bets on whether this gets modded funny or troll)

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    1. Re:*Ahem* by ianejames · · Score: 4, Funny

      mod parent "funny troll"

    2. Re:*Ahem* by HighBit · · Score: 2, Funny

      mod parent "funny"

    3. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The moon landings were faked. Here's some pretty convincing evidence (no really, check it out!)
      http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~akapadia/moon.html

    4. Re:*Ahem* by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait, let me try... mod parent "flamebait"

      /ducks

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    5. Re:*Ahem* by buswolley · · Score: 1, Funny

      mod parent Ducks

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    6. Re:*Ahem* by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      mod parent underrated

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    7. Re:*Ahem* by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      mod parent insightful

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    8. Re:*Ahem* by Kahless2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would you people stop modding my parents; They're starting to complain.

      *ducks*

    9. Re:*Ahem* by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      And their ducklings.

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    10. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government must think we're morons?? Well.. yeah! With people like YOU
      around! God.. you must have SOOO much time on your hands... lucky for you I
      don't so let this be short and to the point.. and hopefully a little
      convincing to you're little denial problem.. ok.. the picture where you say
      they aren't wearing helments?? Sorry to burst your bubble.. but they are on
      the EARTH.. evidence of plants and mountains and a BLUE/white sky I think is
      convincing enough.. need me to spell it? E_A_R_T_H.. Obviously they were
      showing examples of the rover riding around on Earth.. or at best testing
      it.. you really need to use that thing most don't called... your head...
      freak.. oh and lemme educate you on a few of your other "fake moon!" pics..
      k? That gas pump could NOT be MORE fake! Moron... maybe you might just add a
      bunch of purple squiglies and say "Aliens! look!" plus.. that shodow ain't
      too convincing either.. I mean we all love a prank as well as the next
      bloak.. but I mean.. come ON that's just sad...same with the street signs..
      wow.. you got paintshop pro.. good for you.. what.. spring break too boring?
      Wow.. 2 whole weeks of just sitting at home and trying to convince old ladies
      that the moon landing was fake... poor you -_-...same with your h***y
      f***-in-the-ass expiriment and condoms on board... you are such an ass!

      ~Rhea

    11. Re:*Ahem* by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Ooh, ooh! Me too! Don't mod the parent at all!

    12. Re:*Ahem* by DieByWire · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet more proof that the moon landings were a hoax.

      There's someone you really ought to meet.

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    13. Re:*Ahem* by Neoncow · · Score: 1

      Quack

      Ducks!

    14. Re:*Ahem* by Barryke · · Score: 1

      mod child childish

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    15. Re:*Ahem* by Randolpho · · Score: 1
      mod child childish
      Am not!
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    16. Re:*Ahem* by Barryke · · Score: 1

      Well, looks like its going to end here. What depth are we on?

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  3. Well by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt this will ever become realised in the mainsteam concious, it's been ingrained on the entire world and I don't think there is anyone (english speaking) who wouldn't be able to quote it. I don't think it's ever really been an issue of dropping the 'a', the line gains memorability for that. At the end of the day I think this research will end up as a nice section of trivia somewhere, but we will all remember the quote that came through on that day, and surely the communications glitch was a part of history too, so it should be remembered that way IMHO.

    1. Re:Well by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      I doubt this will ever become realised in the mainsteam concious
      Well, yea. But it really does change the entire meaning of the first words spoken on the moon.

      Either way, they should have just STFU about it, since "one small step for A man" doesn't flow nearly as well.

      The only reason to correct the record is to put more emphasis on Buzz. He might as well have said "one small step for me"
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    2. Re:Well by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "and surely the communications glitch was a part of history too, so it should be remembered that way IMHO."

      I remember it as a quote that didn't make sense. In context, "man" == "mankind". It would have been silly to say "That's one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind".

      Ever since I learned that Armstrong contended that the "a" was lost, the quotation made sense and IMHO it's one of the most profound statements ever uttered... unless you drop the "a". Let's try to correct the error and remember what he REALLY said.

      The fact that the record was incorrect for 40 years should be a footnote.

    3. Re:Well by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      Why should anyone have STFU about it? The quotation has been contradicted by the very man who said it.

      Sure, it was Armstrong who changed the gameplan and stepped out before Aldrin and became the first human to step foot on the moon. I wish it had been Aldrin, but it wasn't. Armstrong's words are what counts. Let's fix a 40 year error and let it stand correctly for the duration of mankind.

    4. Re:Well by b0r1s · · Score: 1

      I don't think there is anyone (english speaking) who wouldn't be able to quote it


      I wish that were true, but I fear you give far too much credit to public education. Go on, ask a 12th grader. Then cry.
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    5. Re: Well by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > I doubt this will ever become realised in the mainsteam concious, it's been ingrained on the entire world and I don't think there is anyone (english speaking) who wouldn't be able to quote it. I don't think it's ever really been an issue of dropping the 'a', the line gains memorability for that. At the end of the day I think this research will end up as a nice section of trivia somewhere, but we will all remember the quote that came through on that day, and surely the communications glitch was a part of history too, so it should be remembered that way IMHO.

      What's sad is that it hasn't turned out to be a giant leap for mankind after all, but rather the high-water point of a short-term venture we haven't had the will to follow through on.

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    6. Re: Well by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Problem is that, after the moon, the learning curve for landing on heavenly bodies jumps a bit. Gets a little hairier after Mars, too.

    7. Re:Well by Dausha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I don't think there is anyone (english speaking) who wouldn't be able to quote it."

      What's funny is I always thought there was meant to be an 'a' in it. When you hear the audio, it sounds like something is missing before the man based on how 'man' was said (to me, it sounds like m-man, which lead me to believe it was a-man). So, whenever I said it, I put the 'a' in there.

      So, while you may not think there's anyone, I'm one who would quote with the 'a.'

      In other news, "Take the 'L' out of lover, and it's over."

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    8. Re:Well by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      Well, flow is all good and nice, but I'd say that a reasonable meaning comes first. That and truth trump flow in my view. We're talking history here, not artistic license.
      Either way, they should have just STFU about it, since "one small step for A man" doesn't flow nearly as well.
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    9. Re:Well by LindseyJ · · Score: 1

      I don't see how that's silly at all. The moon landing was both a small step (in the long-term) and a giant leap (in the short-term) for mankind.

    10. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sure, it was Armstrong who changed the gameplan and stepped out before Aldrin and became the first human to step foot on the moon.

      The plan was always for Armstrong (the mission commander) to set foot on the moon first. Aldrin knew that but thought he would take a shot at being first by challenging the issue. His challenge was shot down.

    11. Re: Well by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      Technically, the landing part 'aint really all that hard...

    12. Re: Well by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Technically, the landing part 'aint really all that hard...

      At least it's not supposed to be. Landings should be nice and gentle.

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    13. Re: Well by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      True, it's not like you have to throw yourself at the sky and miss...

    14. Re: Well by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Landings aren't hard. It's the landing safely part that's tricky.

    15. Re: Well by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      thanks for explaining it to everyone :)

    16. Re:Well by istartedi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It doesn't make sense, so you have to give it your own sense. Here's how I've always done that:

      If the "a" had come through, then we would have got the original meaning. It was Armstrong representing mankind. Without the "a", it becomes all of us. This is not to imply that Armstrong was overestimating his own importance. AFAIK, he was as humble as anyone can be in that circumstance. Nevertheless, the "divine edit" of the "a" makes the two parts of the utterance into a nonsequitur that can be resolved by assuming that Armstrong meant that the "one small step for man" was taken by all of us, to the extent that we were all humans just like him; the small step was the mere physical act of getting there. The "giant leap" was all the implications of having gotten there.

      Besides. Why mess with success.

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    17. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention a hell of a lot more expensive...

    18. Re: Well by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      It's getting to that point that's kind of a problem.

    19. Re: Well by khallow · · Score: 1

      "After the Moon". It explain why we didn't land people on Mars shortly thereafter, but not why we failed to follow through on what we had already done. The real problem was that the US's lunar program was primarily a political one. The science and any potential for economic development were secondary. Ultimately, there wasn't any real incentive in the funding process for NASA to go back once it had been done.

    20. Re:Well by khallow · · Score: 1

      Many if not most quotes not directly recorded (eg, written down or mechanically recorded) supposedly made by people are apocryphal. We don't really know that the person said anything like what they are claimed to have said. Ie, there are communication gliches far more extreme than Armstrong's above that have survived millenia because it makes for a good story. I see no reason to dispense with such a grand tradition.

    21. Re:Well by jaysones · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing they straightened this out in a timely manner, before the quote became well-known. :/

    22. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "haven't had the will to follow through on."

      You can bet your ass there'd be a moonbase right now if there was any reason for people (not robots) to be there other than dick waving. It's not will, it's justification that's lacking.

    23. Re:Well by evilviper · · Score: 1
      It would have been silly to say "That's one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind".

      It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
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  4. And in other news... by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in: computer analysis has revealed that Han Solo did, in fact, shoot first!

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    1. Re:And in other news... by wrook · · Score: 3, Funny

      Therefore Chewbacca is from Endor, you must acquit.

    2. Re:And in other news... by wrook · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damnit! I *swear* I typed the "if". Must be a communications glitch...

    3. Re:And in other news... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Damnit! I *swear* I typed the "if". Must be a communications glitch...

      Back in the Windows 3.1 days, one secretary's machine (or network) would randomly drop a letter every 10th printed page or so. She would get chewed out for bad typing at first, until she checked the original. The network analysts pulled their hair out trying to solve it because it was so intermittent. She had to reread every rivision printed top to bottom. I think they decided it was time to upgrade her computer, and the problem went away.

    4. Re:And in other news... by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I saw something very similar with files written to a Novell fileserver with bad RAM, circa 1989.

    5. Re:And in other news... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Seems parity errors were being ignored by something up the chain.

    6. Re:And in other news... by beebware · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem on an old schools RM Nimbus PC in a DTP program. I'm quite a fast typer and when I was typing away and got the end of the line, I had to take my fingers off the keyboard for a few seconds whilst it wrapped to the next line: if I failed to do so, lrs would be dpped.

  5. Sound Stage? by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Funny

    But wasn't it all recorded on a NASA Sound Stage? I mean seriously how are we to believe that such prestine equipment setup for the moon landing would drop the 'a'. //HEHEHE Sorry..

    1. Re:Sound Stage? by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      >>> " But wasn't it all recorded on a NASA Sound Stage? I mean seriously how are we to believe that such prestine equipment setup for the moon landing would drop the 'a'. "

      The origional studio recording was perfect but when it was broadcast from the studio later that day, some sound guy in black jeans and a mullet decided to 'change the settings'.... If you listen really really carfully, you can here him say "ah, shit...".

    2. Re:Sound Stage? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      +1 Interesting -1 OverRated?

      Seriously, its +1 Funny -1 Troll.. Learn how to moderate people.

    3. Re:Sound Stage? by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Actually, with the way moderation has been going lately, -1 redundant seems to be the answer, no matter what the situation. Except, of course, -1 offtopic, which is only used for on-topic posts.

  6. *A* Computer Analyst? by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are you sure that it's "*A* Computer Analyst..." and not just "Computer Analyst..."?

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    1. Re:*A* Computer Analyst? by mnmn · · Score: 1

      Worry so much about the nitty gritty, I'm sure its a Computer Analist.

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  7. That figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer analysis also reveals that these analysts are the only people with more spare time on their hands to waste on arcane geeky shit than slasdot readers.

    It's Saturday night, it's a beautiful fall evening...WTF am I doing here?

  8. Hey! by tonycheese · · Score: 1

    I was just reading about this on my giant Uncle John's Bathroom Reader on the toilet a few minutes ago! What a coincidence.

    1. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was just reading about this on my giant Uncle John's Bathroom Reader on the toilet a few minutes ago! What a coincidence.

      Why is the fact that your Uncle John is a giant so relevant to this story?

    2. Re:Hey! by hords · · Score: 1

      Why is the fact that your Uncle John is a giant so relevant to this story?

      Someone had to confirm that it was, in fact, a giant leap.

    3. Re:Hey! by tonycheese · · Score: 1

      No, that was the name of the book! Uncle John's Bathroom Reader. Highly recommended. And the book was giant, hence "giant Uncle John's Bathroom Reader".

  9. Flubbing the biggest first post of all time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He really meant to plant a goatse.cx flag. :-)

    1. Re:Flubbing the biggest first post of all time.... by stuuf · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Flubbing the biggest first post of all time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if Kirk Johnson was even born then...

  10. History Re-written by Yahma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Niel Armstrong did have alot of critics who complained that he changed his story, or was trying to change what he had apparently said in order to make it sound better/different. This computer analysis should quiet his critics, but the unfortunate truth is most of the public will probably never hear about this analysis and life will go on...

    There was an interview several years back where Mr. Armstrong said that he said the word *A* during his famous radio transmission from the moon. Someone could try Voice Stress Analysis on that interview to determine if he is lying or telling the truth, to verify the results of this analysis. =)


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    1. Re:History Re-written by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he said the word "a", which is pronounced "uh". The word "A", which is pronounced "ay", is the name of the first letter of the English alphabet.

    2. Re:History Re-written by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Voice stress analysis is absolute utter bullshit in the same wholly-discredited-yet-still-popular vein as polygraphy.

      I also recall reading an interview excerpt where he said something like "The most momentous occasion in history, everybody was watching, and I flubbed my line."

      The analysis is full of shit. He flubbed it. But really, who cares? That's one small quibble for man, one giant irrelevancy for mankind.

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    3. Re:History Re-written by Tombstone-f · · Score: 1

      The word "A" or "a" (which other than their cases seem to be surprisingly similar) can both be pronounced as either "ay" or "uh".

  11. The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The last foot in the first half sounds better without the `a.' I tried posting the scansion, but the lameness filter found that too dorky. =)

    1. Re:The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely true. And there's also no reason why there needs to be an "a" in there anyway. It still makes complete sense the way it has come down through the ages: "One small step for Man; one giant leap for Mankind". "One small step for a man; one giant leap for Mankind" sounds awkward and trite. "Man" in this context stands in for the human animal; "Mankind" for human society.

    2. Re:The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by jspoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This way makes a lot more sense though. Without the indefinite article, man and mankind are more or less synonymous.

    3. Re:The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      True. =)

    4. Re:The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      I think it depends on your accent. Neil said it like I would, with "for a" basically pronounced as one syllable---more or less like "furra" or "f'ra".

    5. Re:The other sounds better -- it's iambic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, now it's an anapest, a good marching beat - indeed, the whole metrical structure is a nice metaphor for "walking on the moon," though I'm sure it was not intentional. You've got two iambs (one probably with a long substituting for a short, as Armstrong emphasized "small"), an anapest, two iambs (the first with a long substituting for a short, as Armstrong emphasized "one" both times), and another anapest; with a choriambic echo between the ends of each line to make for a nice balanced parellelism.

      That's one small step for a man,

      U V [V/U] V U U V

      one giant leap for mankind

      [V/U] V U V U U V

      (using V for accented, U for unaccented, and [V/U] for a foot that is short by position, but long by emphasis, to get past the lameness filter)

  12. What he really said: by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually he said:

    "Ah shit! I pissed my pants!"

    because he was so nervous. Remember, he is an engineer, not a spokesman. But it was covered up.

    1. Re:What he really said: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      (Note: it is meant as a joke. I did not mean to actually claim a conspiracy.)

    2. Re:What he really said: by maddskillz · · Score: 1

      Seriously...the guy was the first person to walk on the moon. I would be pretty nervous to.
      Who hasn't had something come out wrong, when they were making a presentation, or leading a group or something? People get nervous. Now, multiply that by a million, since the whole world is watching...you have to give some elbow room.
      Sure, if you look at it in a strict sense, it didn't make sense, but I would imagine most intelligent people would still get the jist of it.

    3. Re:What he really said: by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would be pretty nervous to. Who hasn't had something come out wrong, when they were making a presentation,

      Indeed. If they sent me, it probably would have gone down something like this:

      That's one sman, uh, that's one step for a small man, I mean one man for a small, I mean one step on a small, I mean one man is a small....Oh fuck! People of Earth, I'm on the goddam fucking moon, okay? And, hey, fuck those ruskies, eh?

    4. Re:What he really said: by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1
      And, hey, fuck those ruskies, eh?
      NASA is Canadian?
    5. Re:What he really said: by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      A lot of them were, actually. They were hired after the Avro debacle and the debate about "Canada's brilliant design" for a fighter goes on to this day. To summarize, the official story is that the Americans didn't want to buy it due to NIH syndrome and felt that fighter planes were obsoleted by long-range missiles.

    6. Re:What he really said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PEOPLE OF EARTH

      is huge.

    7. Re:What he really said: by hey! · · Score: 1

      Nah. Timid guys don't climb on top of a million kilograms of kerosene and liquid oxygen, knowing that a crew of red neck geeks with crew cuts and pocket protectors are planning to set a match to it.

      What he really said was, "Are you watching this Lovell, because if you are you can kiss my a**".

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  13. I see wide ranging aplications... by ShagratTheTitleless · · Score: 3, Funny

    The time is ripe for Slashdot editors to try and convince us that duplicate stories were the result of communications echoes.

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  14. NASA Alzheimers by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    First NASA loses Apollo TV master tapes, and now it loses pronouns. At this rate it will lose a planet within a decade such that we'll have only 8.

    1. Re:NASA Alzheimers by klaun · · Score: 1, Redundant
      First NASA loses Apollo TV master tapes, and now it loses pronouns. [snip]

      The word a in that phrase is an article, not a pronoun. In other context it might be a preposition or even a pronoun for British speakers of English.

    2. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The word a in that phrase is an article, not a pronoun. In other context it might be a preposition or even a pronoun for British speakers of English.

      Yes, those crazy Brits. How dare they corrupt our language like that. Oh wait...

    3. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it already has lost a planet... pluto

    4. Re:NASA Alzheimers by klaun · · Score: 1
      Yes, those crazy Brits. How dare they corrupt our language like that. Oh wait...

      Well, I certainly didn't mean it in a perjorative sense. More in the sense that if you used "a" as a pronoun to a person in America, they wouldn't no what the hell you were talking about. In any case, "a man" is definitely using it as a preposition.

    5. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      >>-----|> <- joke

          O <- your head

    6. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the fuck did you go to school??? In "a man," the word "a" is ALWAYS an article. As a matter of fact, it is ALWAYS an article; it is NEVER a preposition, nor a pronoun. Don't they teach English anymore?

    7. Re:NASA Alzheimers by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      From your diagram, it looks like NASA has just found the 9th planet again.

    8. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about in the following sentence? "Then I went a fishin'."

      Sounds like a preposition to me. It's like people don't even speak the king's english anymore. Yeesh.

    9. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      they wouldn't no what

      When challenging a person's grammar, it is wise to write in proper grammar yourself.

    10. Re:NASA Alzheimers by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Dude, that's the funniest thing I've read on /. in a *looong* time!

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    11. Re:NASA Alzheimers by tgv · · Score: 1

      I think this is known as an a-preposition, a particular type of a-grammatism.

    12. Re:NASA Alzheimers by trewornan · · Score: 1

      'Then I went a fishin'... Sounds like a preposition to me.

      Depends on it's exact meaning (if it has one in this sentence), I'd be tempted to say it's being used as a particle - although this is a part of speech not normally found in English.

    13. Re:NASA Alzheimers by coopex · · Score: 1

      Too late, remember Pluto?

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    14. Re:NASA Alzheimers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      depends on your definition of planet.. Lastest ruling I have seen places pluto as not a planet.. So we did loss a planet :-P good game.

  15. Oh for crying out loud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I was just a kid when this happened, but I do remember it. It was magic.

    But I've never understood this fuss about his pronounciation. It seemed perfectly clear to me what he said at the at the time, and it seems perfectly clear on all the endless replays.

    In retrospect, I think he should have said "Wow; holy shit!" instead. Then we wouldn't have this endless handwringing overanalysis.

    1. Re:Oh for crying out loud by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      "Wow; holy shit!"

      Yeah, but if he'd said that, in 100 years from now, we'd be having people claiming that the moon was founded on Christian principles.

    2. Re:Oh for crying out loud by Roduku · · Score: 1

      I was 12 at the time and I understood what he meant. I think that anyone who wants to quibble over whether he said "man" or "a man" is really missing the point that he was standing on the Moon when he said it.

    3. Re:Oh for crying out loud by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      He'd have been a much wealthier man today if he'd said "Wow, I could really use a Budweiser right now!"

      rj

  16. 35 ms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds, 10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible."

    Damn, I wish I could talk that fast.

  17. Yes... by NoseBag · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I read it somewhere a long time ago and been telling folks this for years - whenever the subject came up.

    Now that its been officially reported in /., I can triumphantly wave the printout in peoples' faces and scream, "See! This proves it! Its right here in.....uh...uh..."

    Hmm. Never mind.

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  18. The Straight Dope by aktzin · · Score: 4, Funny
    This story reminded me of a "Straight Dope" article I read years ago regarding something Armstrong allegedly mumbled right after his famous first words on the moon:

    http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a951117.html

    While searching for this in the web site's archives I also found an entry from 1990 discussing the "small step for a man" argument:

    http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_362.html

    My parents tell me that I actually saw the moon landing, but since I was a baby at the time I really can't comment on what I heard him say.
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    1. Re:The Straight Dope by benicillin · · Score: 1

      if that first story is true, its absolutely hilarious

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    2. Re:The Straight Dope by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      From the second Straight Dope Article:
      9-Nov-1990
      My feeling is, why persecute the guy? I say we do what Chicago reporters were once urged to do with the tortured syntax of the late Mayor Richard J. Daley: don't write what he said, write what he meant. "A man" it is.

      Am I the only one who disagrees with that statement?
      Just on principle?

      It's like doing a TV interview and then having them correct the published transcript to reflect what the interviewee meant to say.

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    3. Re:The Straight Dope by jcr · · Score: 1

      Men!

      AARGH!

      I mean, Amen!

      -jcr

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    4. Re:The Straight Dope by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      My parents tell me that I actually saw the moon landing, but since I was a baby at the time I really can't comment on what I heard him say.

      Get off my lawn.

  19. Tranquility base by trewornan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Weren't the first words spoken on the lunar surface:

    "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed."

    I always prefer it anyway - it doesn't sound like some crap written by a PR wanker.

    1. Re:Tranquility base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, no, not first "on" the lunar surface, first "from" the lunar surface.
      Damn, here we go for another 35 years.

    2. Re:Tranquility base by Dan+Guisinger · · Score: 1

      As I recall the way its been told many times; it was tasked of Armstrong to come up with something to say. And if I remember correctly he had nothing by the time they landed that he liked.

      I've seen a few specials that have shown NASA had no idea what he'd say and that he pretty much winged it.

    3. Re:Tranquility base by gilroy · · Score: 1

      Those were spoken when the lander touched down. Six-plus hours later, the astronauts did an EVA, during which Armstrong said his famous "a", or not.

      Or, to put too fine a point on it, your phrase was the first spoken from the lunar surface; Armstrong's "One small step..." was the first phrase spoken on the lunar surface.

    4. Re:Tranquility base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first words spoken on the moon were: "Contact Light".

    5. Re:Tranquility base by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      No.

      those were the first words tranhsmitted to the orbiter.

      the first words were... "holy CRAP it worked!"

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    6. Re:Tranquility base by s1234d · · Score: 1

      Most space nerds would argue that the first words were "Contact light", closely followed by "Main engine stop".

    7. Re:Tranquility base by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      According to a DVD I have with footage of the landing, it went like this:

      Lander: "Kicking up some dust. 30 feet. Two and a half down. [Indistinct] shadow. four forward. four forward. drifting to the right a little. [indistinct]. down a half."

      Houston: "30 seconds..."

      Lander: "Forward. Just [indistinct]"

      Lander: "Contact Light." If the sound and video are in sync, the lander did not come to a complete stop until that sentence was almost done.

      Three second pause

      Lander: "Okay, engine stop."

      Houston: "We copy you down Eagle."

      Lander: "Houston, ah...Tranquality base here. The Eagle has landed."

      Houston: "Roger tranqu, tranquality. We copy you on the ground. You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot."

      Six hours later...

      Armstrong: "Um, at the foot of the ladder. The LEM footpads are only depressed in the surface about, one or two inches. [indistinct] I'm going to step off the LEM now. That's one small step for man...One...giant leap for mankind." There was a very short pause between 'for' and 'man' but it was just long enough to say 'a'.

    8. Re:Tranquility base by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      The first words were "Contact light. Ok, engines off". Then, "Houston...".

      They even got is wrong on a Final Jeopardy once.

      "The name of this city was the first word spoken on the moon."

      Really? What did they contact, then?

    9. Re:Tranquility base by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      The first words were "Contact light. Ok, engines off". Then, "Houston...".

      They even got is wrong on a Final Jeopardy once.

      "The name of this city was the first word spoken on the moon."

      Really? What did they contact, then?


      From playing the silly computer game "Lander", I would hypothesize that the engines are turned off before landing. "Contact" could mean either that there was a probe sticking out from the bottom of one of the lander's feet that had contacted the ground, or "contact light" could have meant that there was a light which was warning of imminent contact. Of course, it could also mean that they just made contact, and that it was a light (i.e. not a forceful) contact.

      This is not proof, or even evidence; merely reasonable doubt.

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    10. Re:Tranquility base by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      Everything you said is completely ridiculous.

    11. Re:Tranquility base by miro+f · · Score: 1

      he told NASA and everyone who asked that he had no idea what to say. But he knew all along. You don't just make that up on the spot, and you certainly don't just wing it as the first man on the moon.

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    12. Re:Tranquility base by Cramer · · Score: 1

      That contact light just means a probe was touching the surface. They were still flying until several milliseconds AFTER the engines were cut off and they fell the remaining feet (+/-) to the surface. Only then are they "on" the moon.

      Just because a rope hanging out the door of your helicopter is touching the ground doesn't mean you've landed. (you've landed when the skids -- or wheels -- are on the ground and the rotors are no longer providing lift.)

    13. Re:Tranquility base by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      Where the hell do you get such amazing misinformation?
      Why would they shut down the engines before landing? To increase the chance of crashing?

    14. Re:Tranquility base by Cramer · · Score: 1
      Because that's how it works. Go look at a LM some time. See the contact probes? See how close the engines are to the ground (and the lack of a small crater from those 45,000N engines)? And the Lunar Module Structures Handout (pdf), p. 6, uses the word IMPACT. (Moon gravity is 1/6th Earth's, so "dropping" the lander a few feet really isn't a problem.)

      From the Apollo 11 logs:
      When the 68-inch probes beneath three of the spacecraft's four footpads touch down, flashing a light on the instrument panel, Armstrong shuts off the ship's engine.
      (I've not been able to find any of the docs on how to actually land a LM. I'm sure someone has scaned them.)
    15. Re:Tranquility base by snap2grid · · Score: 1
      Most space nerds would argue that the first words were "Contact light", closely followed by "Main engine stop".

      As a mere Earth nerd, I would like to meet these "space nerds" of which you speak!

    16. Re:Tranquility base by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      If you're all gonna get so pedantic, you should start thowing in a few 'known to recorded human history' in there. You never know, somebody else, a little earlier in human history, might've hitched a ride (they just have'nt found the graffiti yet);-).

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    17. Re:Tranquility base by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but technically the first word is "okay". "Okay.....Houston, Tranquility Base here[...]"

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    18. Re:Tranquility base by blueturffan · · Score: 1

      Count me in as a space nerd then. Sadly, I have yet to see a post that includes "ACA out of detent". I really am pathetic when it comes to this kind of thing...

  20. Which take was that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In take #1 he really messed it up, but they had it all right by take #5.

  21. I always liked what Pete Conrad said... by sbaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    On Apollo 12:

        "Whoopie! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but that's a long one for me." -- Pete Conrad

    On Apollo 14:

        "It's been a long way, but we're here." - Alan Shepard

    Hmmmm - not *quite* so memorable.

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  22. butterfly theory by etheriel · · Score: 0

    I wonder what bifurcation of history occured due to that glitch. That brief statement is imprinted in so many minds - how would we each have gone about our lives differently if that word hadn't been dropped?

    1. Re:butterfly theory by BeeBeard · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Elderly voters in Palm Beach County would not have accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan, the United States would have sound fiscal policies, and there would now be no war in Iraq. Wait, what was the question?

    2. Re:butterfly theory by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing we wouldn't be in this whole global warming mess, because we'd understand that small things done by men could mean a giant leap for mankind. That is, proper environmentally friendly garbage sorting by individuals, up to company scale with reduced pollution, could lead to giant benefits to mankind!

      But now the bastards at NASA ruined this with their poor audio equipment. :-(

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    3. Re:butterfly theory by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      The line doesn't make sense without the "a". So I assumed from first hearing him say it (live) that he intended to say "... for a man ..." and either flubbed it in the excitement of the moment or the VOX kicked out.

      Nice to hear computer analysis confirms that it was the VOX.

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  23. Government vs. commercial by whyde · · Score: 4, Funny

    All I can say is thank goodness the first person on the moon wasn't put there by a commercial entity. I'm sure the first words would have been something like, "That's one small step for a man, but a Taco Bell Gordito(tm) is much bigger!"

    Either that, or some other government making a political sound bite that promotes a specific ideology or theology instead of something referencing the accomplishments of mankind in general, would have been equally disturbing.

    I'm really proud that the folks at NASA took time to plan what would be said, realizing that it would be a historic moment.

    1. Re:Government vs. commercial by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Funny

      All I can say is thank goodness the first person on the moon wasn't put there by a commercial entity. I'm sure the first words would have been something like, "That's one small step for a man, but a Taco Bell Gordito(tm) is much bigger!"

      Hehe, or "Funding this space program... Billions of your tax dollars... Me walking on the moon... Priceless!" ;-)

      I wonder how many that would have upset, heh.

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    2. Re:Government vs. commercial by maxume · · Score: 1

      Taco Bell, now with authentic Moon Cheese(TM).

      I went to the trouble of alt+153, but slashdot renders it as '(TM)'. Boo /.

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    3. Re:Government vs. commercial by windowpain · · Score: 4, Funny

      The comedian Robert Klein actually did a bit about this. How Armstrong could have made a fortune by selling out before he left Earth and then saying, "COCA-COLA!" as he put his foot out on the moon.

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    4. Re:Government vs. commercial by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Funny
      All I can say is thank goodness the first person on the moon wasn't put there by a commercial entity.

      Or worse...

      "This one small step is made possible by the new Nike Space Jordans. For this lunar cycle only, save 10% off at any major footwear retailer! Over."

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    5. Re:Government vs. commercial by Toxicgonzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least he stuck to the quote. We all know if he had it his way he'd have been like

      "**** YEAH! I'm on the moon BITCHES!"

    6. Re:Government vs. commercial by aramael · · Score: 2, Funny

      I liked the alleged Michael Collins suggestion: "If you had any balls, you'd say 'Oh, my God, what is that thing?' then scream and cut your mic."

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  24. The tin foil hat version of the omission by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    used to be that Armstrong was experiencing stage fright while the moon landing was being faked, and flubbed the line as a result. I kid you not. Now that some evidence of the letter 'a' has been found in this recording, it seems to cast some doubt on the Diamonds are Forever version of history. Maybe...just...maybe...Armstrong set foot on the moon after all? Nah, too convenient. ;)

    1. Re:The tin foil hat version of the omission by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I thought Armstrong had himself later addmitted he messed up the line. The Snopes article on it says so, but then he did it right after listening to a tape of the transmission.

  25. I sense Illumnati involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Possibly to cover up the whole face on Mars thing.

  26. If it happened to day by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny
    If it happened today, an illegal alien would have stowed aboard, pushed Neil aside, and said it in Spanish:

    Ése es un paso pequeño para un hombre, un salto gigante para la humanidad.
  27. reverse talk by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A quick sidetrip - Listen to the reverse audio of his words -

    Man will spacewalk

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  28. Actually, the first words were "Contact Light!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    , and would have been spoken by Buzz Aldrin, the lunar module pilot.

  29. Actually.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I prefer the version without the A. It was far more thoughtful of a remark.

    But either works, and its good hes vindicated before his death.

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  30. Also pulled from the background noise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. An alien? by BeeBeard · · Score: 1

    You mean like one of these?

  32. Weird. I didn't know there was a controversy by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

    When I first heard the recording, I thought I heard him say "a man". I've always understood it to be merely a shoddy record. I didn't know there was a controversy.

    Then again, when I first heard about it, I thought the gay marriage bill in Canada was going to be a triviality that was barely even newsworthy.

    People make such a big deal out of nothing.

  33. Just an analyst? by bherman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read this story and wondered a bit about the guy who was involved. Saying he's "a computer analyst" is like saying Bush is just a little slow.

    His work is pretty cool http://www.shann-ford.com/001%20programming.htm

    Oh and he's also a jounalist.

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  34. Greedo by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, I am glad that's finally sorted

    Yup, the Moon spoke first! No, wait...
    1. Re:Greedo by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1
      Yup, the Moon spoke first! No, wait...

      Actually, it was Alderaan.
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    2. Re:Greedo by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Allegedly, some grumpy old lunar citizen shouted 'get that damn contraption off my lawn!'

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  35. According to the HBO miniseries... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 4, Funny

    "From the Earth to the Moon", command module pilot Mike Collins suggested that if Neil "...had any guts, you would say "What the hell is that?!", then scream and cut your mike." :)

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    1. Re:According to the HBO miniseries... by Aqualung812 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The line from the movie was "If you had any balls, you'd say "Oh, my God, what is that thing?" then scream and cut your mike".

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120570/quotes

      The part about Collins jokingly saying Armstrong had no balls always gave me a chuckle. :)

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    2. Re:According to the HBO miniseries... by dargaud · · Score: 1
      In a fiction book involving Apollo-area astronauts, one of them later tells his colleague that he wanted to add "study of explosive decompression" to the list of trivial experiments they were doing for schools while on the moon: drop a rock and a feather in the vacuum and such. Just twist open the purge valve and 'poof!'. And for a few more space quotes:
      "Why don't you light that candle?" —Alan Shepard while waiting for the first american rocket to launch.
      "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss it you will land among the stars." —Les Brown.
      "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program." —Larry Niven.
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  36. It would have been funnier if it was 'the' instead by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    One giant step for 'the' man, one giant leap for mankind.

  37. First Pluto now this. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

    I just wish they would stop changing histroy. Won't somebody please think of the trees that will have to be cut dow to make the new books.

    1. Re:First Pluto now this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the textbook companies will make new editions whether or not history actually changes. Generally if there's nothing to change, they add some extra pictures and change the formatting for vocabulary words. Eventually schools wise up to this and start reusing textbooks, eventually leading to some that never buy new books, which wind up with the entire section on the moon landing missing, which is why there are so many people who think it's a hoax.

    2. Re:First Pluto now this. by wolf369T · · Score: 1, Funny

      About changing history... I think John Titor is involved here...

    3. Re:First Pluto now this. by grozzie2 · · Score: 1

      Changing history is good for the economy. First you employ folks to cut down the trees, then you employ more to turn them into paper. Later, you employ folks to print the books, and finally, you employ even more folks to sell those books to students.

  38. Ingrained Quotes. by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're right. "One small step for man" will be remembered, just like "Beam me up, Scotty", and "Play it again, Sam".

    However, I just listened to it, and here's my take:
    Armstrong has the "One small step" speach properly memorized and ready to go. He knows he has to do it right, because it will be broadcast live to the entire planet. He describes the lunar surface, then steps off the landing pad, and says, "That's one small step for man... One..." Damn! I goofed. "giant leap for mankind".

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    1. Re:Ingrained Quotes. by KORfan · · Score: 1

      You're right. "One small step for man" will be remembered, just like "Beam me up, Scotty", and "Play it again, Sam".
      That's like "Air raid Pearl Harbor. This is not drill," and a geographical feature near Normandy known in France as Point du Hoe.

  39. I couldn't find Idiot by algerath · · Score: 1
    as a choice for my mod points. I really think -1 dumbass should be a choice.

    Algerath

    1. Re:I couldn't find Idiot by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      If you dig down into the links, you will see this is one of the e-mails the webmaster posted...

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    2. Re:I couldn't find Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah.. that's the only to get moderated +5 troll... One moderation for troll followed by 4 'underrated' moderations.

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  41. I heard him blow it by meBigGuy · · Score: 0


    He blew it big time ---- not as described. I wonder why they are covering it up.

    He blew it in the 1st AND second phrases.

    Oh well ---- rewrite history, assholes

    1. Re:I heard him blow it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      rewrite history, asshole

      Spoken as "rewrite history A hole" ... transmitted as "rewrite history whole." I thoroughly agree!

  42. What I would've said... by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

    If it was me, I would have screamed "Oh my God what is that thing??!!" then turned off the mic.

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    1. Re:What I would've said... by awfar · · Score: 1

      or "My God, it's full of stars"...

  43. Re:It didn't happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Die in a fire.

  44. The Onion's take on the subject by njchick · · Score: 1
    1. Re:The Onion's take on the subject by johnstein · · Score: 1

      Holy Blithering, the audio for the above story!

      But ironically, the communications glitch doesn't seem to manifest in this recording... hmmm...

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    2. Re:The Onion's take on the subject by MrSteveSD · · Score: 1

      There is a video version of it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIkHLO93lCA

  45. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by Ansonmont · · Score: 1

    I think it is Saturday night and the moder4tors are drunk. Discuss.

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  46. First words after SETTING FOOT on the moon... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I hear the first words said by the first man after first SETTING FOOT on the moon were:

    "It's some kind of soft stuff. I can kick it around with my boot."

    (Though I really need to get hold of a transcription or tape of the landing to check.)

    The "That's one small step for {whatever...}" line was the first words said once he was STANDING on the moon. B-)

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  47. Shallow, or Deep? by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 1
    I guess he figured that being the first man on the moon wasn't enough! He had to appear deep so that women would find him more attractive!!! I wish I had his logic.

    That's one small realization for me. One giant leap for Ice Wewe.

  48. in 35 milliseconds??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds, 10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible.

    Can someone explain this one for me, PLEASE?

    1. Re:in 35 milliseconds??? by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing. The only thing I can come up with: I'm guessing a sciency type told a journalist type, "He said it in 35 milliseconds", with 'it' referring to the 'a', but the journalist mis-interpreted the pronoun as applying to the entire sentence. Even if it was a case of a dropped zero (350ms), that would still be Boomhower-fast, so I'm thinking it's a case of a pronoun mixup.

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    2. Re:in 35 milliseconds??? by BlueLightning · · Score: 1

      Even a journalist couldn't get an article about the "mistake" right...

  49. Wolf Howl by c0d3r · · Score: 1

    And all the wolfs howl...

  50. Jesus H Christ in a chicken basket by p3d0 · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Jesus H Christ in a chicken basket by JoshNorton · · Score: 1

      Speaking as the son of the last civilian to lay hands on the lunar module before it went up, that was the most insightful thing I'd ever read about the landing. It PERFECTLY sums up the way I feel about it to this day. (Hell - it made the price of Our Dumb Century worth it right there.)

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  51. Ah, what a pity. by niktemadur · · Score: 1

    Personally, I've grown to like "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind", as if Armstrong is saying something deliberate and profound for future generations to assimilate, as if man is homo sapiens, while mankind are all the species of Earth, being collectively represented in Tranquility Base.

    However, I'll be sure to ask Armstrong about it if I bump into him next January, since he comes to Baja to hunt siberian brant, which migrates here every winter. Maybe I can just leave a message to the bartender at the watering hole he visits when he's down here.

    I'm not saying which bar it is, as the last thing he'll want is groupies hanging around. He was, after all, the most famous man on the planet before Michael Jackson told us to Beat It. In fact, I'm not even saying what town the bar is in, as even that would be too much of a giveaway.

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  52. FLAC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This wouldn't have been an ISSUE if they just supported FLAC! I bet the spacesuit doesn't even support OGG!

  53. Re:Ingrained Quotes, and hearing what you think by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, it's a noisy channel, and good ol' midwest boy that Neil is, he slurs it a litte:

    "That's one small step f'r a man" etc. And then Walter Cronkite tells everybody he said "for man", and everyone believes it.

    If the channel is slightly noisy, you can "hear" whatever you think you're going to hear in it. Consider how often people misperceive song lyrics into something totally different. Once Cronkite told them that - and it hit the headlines that way - that's what people think they hear. Try hearing it as "step f'ra man".

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  54. French Translation by this+great+guy · · Score: 1

    So the quote that was usually translated in French to "C'est un petit pas pour l'Homme, mais un bond de géant pour l'humanité" now becomes "C'est un petit pas pour un homme, mais un bond de géant pour l'humanité."

    1. Re:French Translation by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      So what's your point, other than the fact that it's mistranslated literally as "a giant's leap"?

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    2. Re:French Translation by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      You speak French! WOW! That's AMAZING!

    3. Re:French Translation by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that he clearly used Babelfish or some other form of machine translation, in an attempt to convince us of his elite French language skills. What a tool (I refer to the O.P.).

  55. Han by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Funny
    No, wait...

    Armstrong desended the ladder and was about to step on the surface when it was Aldrin that spoke first...

    "Wait, Neil! That's no moon..."
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    (I know it's not kosher to reply to yourself but I accidentally set this set up with the "No, wait...")
  56. Re:Weird. I didn't know there was a controversy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither did I.

    By the way, I heard it live (well, radio delay), when he did it. I don't recall any 'a'.

  57. Just be glad it wasn't me by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    I might have said: "Holy Crap! I'm on the goddamned MOON!"

    1. Re:Just be glad it wasn't me by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      "I claim this land for Texas."

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  58. Also at reversespeech.com by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    This soundclip and similar ones are under "R.S. examples" at this website:
    http://www.reversespeech.com/
    And yes, I first heard this clip when this man was on Art Bell's radio show in the late '90's.
    And yes, I think he's a complete luna tick. No offense meant to true Moon residents or visitors.

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  59. Re:Ingrained Quotes, and hearing what you think by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Well, for "a concise, eloquent statement for the ages at a unique milestone for our species", slurring it to the point that it was '10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible', is just as much an error as accidentally leaving it out altogether. The point is moot, however. The phrase "One small step for man" is forever embedded in our culture, and "a" is left for trivia junkies and pedantists.

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  60. Hard to believe by Psychotria · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I find that the word "a" was omitted because of a technical error is hard to believe. I'd be willing to bet those first words were well rehearsed. Besides, the recording does seem to maintain continuity. I find it easier to believe that in this age of political/sexual correctness that the word "a" has been added to the statement made by Armstrong and labelled a glitch to satisfy the opposition. BTW, this is a pet-peeve of mine. "Mankind" _DOES_ include women. To say that "mankind" is excluding a sex is pedantic and childish. It's typical semantic jibbersish from those who have no real argument. Thanks :-)

    1. Re:Hard to believe by brown-eyed+slug · · Score: 1

      Do you mean 'typical sepersontic jibberish'?

  61. No matter... by NalosLayor · · Score: 1

    What the world heard in July 1969 are what counted, not what he actually said, since those were the first words that humanity heard spoken on the moon.

  62. Canadian software by prattle · · Score: 1
    According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds, 10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible. The "a" was transmitted, though, and can be verified in an analysis using a Canadian sound editing software called GoldWave , Ford said.

    Canadian software is very good at detecting 'a's, eh?

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    1. Re:Canadian software by demondawn · · Score: 1

      Err, wait...GoldWave? You mean the same shareware app we all used to record crappy clips of us singing like 5 years ago? That GoldWave?

    2. Re:Canadian software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took 30+ years to report the error though because the Canadians had to figure out why he said "That's one small step fore...eh? Man One Giant leap for mankind."

      Sorry it took us so long, after long tests we've decided that americans do not actually announce each step forward they take. We also concluded that the interpretation didn't mean to imply that mankinds giant leaps were approximately equivalent in gesture to Neil Armstrongs small steps.

    3. Re:Canadian software by oc255 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I read that and was very unimpressed. Haven't used this since '94. Their site says it does noise reduction from clipboard so I suppose you could sample some background hum and substract out the noise. I guess that's a start.

  63. Further analysis reveals *two* new sounds... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

    Upon even more analysis, the researchers uncovered not one, but TWO new sounds in the famous quote.

    'That's one small step for da man, one giant leap for mankind.'

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  64. Re:Ingrained Quotes, and hearing what you think by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

    No, it sounds like "That's one small step fer man". It is noisy, but you hear the noise as clicks, and nothing else mysteriously was cut out but this supposed "a".

  65. The original wording made sense to me by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

    I thought of it more so as a comparison meaning being a small step forward towards bigger things, but at the same time a giant leap in history as we know it. You could see it as landing on the moon and then an end point being something like warp technology.

  66. I Know What I Heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard him say "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." To me that's what counts. It doesn't matter whether he said "a" or "gay" or whatever because I didn't hear it. Plus, I find it hard to believe that back in the late 1960's the predominantly male NASA (made up of a bunch of engineers and Air Force guys) would have added the "a" in there! When the hell did this controversy start anyway?

  67. I read the story, it makes absolutely no sense by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can someone else tell me where exactly the 'a' went? Glitches in analog equipment don't just drop 'a's without an obvious gap.

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  68. Small Step for AM by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    It's always blown my mind that we can put a man on the moon (finally the cliche is appropriate :), but we can't get his phonecall clear to our TVs. I know it's hard, from across so far using so little power and with so much interference, but it's not rocket science (got that one, too, just barely!).

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  69. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by Korin43 · · Score: 1

    This is Slashdot's automated mod point removal system.

  70. Contact Light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "contact light" was spoken by Aldrin when he noted the signal which indicated that the dangly things hanging from the legs of the lander had made contact. Armstrong was pretty busy at the time and later could not recall that this had been said.

    There were dangly things hanging off the legs of the lander so that there would be some indication that the lander was *very* close to touchdown. So, "contact light" were the first words spoken after the lander made contact with the moon. It had not landed at that stage (although it may well have by the time he finished saying it).

    Sorry I can't remember what the dangly things were called and I can't be bothered googling for it.

  71. I'm crushed by 1310nm · · Score: 1

    My elementary education invalidated by a single /. post. :(

  72. Why after so long? by Acidictadpole · · Score: 1

    I wonder why they didn't just believe Neil to begin with? I mean, it's not like he'd lie about what he said.. And why, after 37 years.. they are still doing this? Why did someone decide after this long to research it? Or would some guy grow up thinking "Hmm, he probably meant this, I'll devote my life to it!" IMO, good trivia, but i think a very low percentage really care enough to change their lives or current lifestyle.

  73. Armstrong has always said "a man". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks much to Minitrue for finally clearing this issue up.

  74. Re:It didn't happen by demondawn · · Score: 1

    as much as I'm gonna get burned a bit for this suggestion.... MOD PARENT UP!

  75. Wikipedia knew this already by gringer · · Score: 1

    This is already in Wikipedia, although it's only a couple of days old. Have a look at [[Moon landing]] if you don't believe me. Or see the diff here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moon_lan ding&diff=78690314&oldid=78496939

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  76. Tense moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it was an extremely tense period. The guys had no idea whether they would be able to get back to earth again or whether they would die on the moon. So even if he did flub his words, nobody would keep it against him. If it was me, I probably would not have been able to utter much more than a squeek...

  77. Re:Ingrained Quotes, and hearing what you think by Cramer · · Score: 1

    And listen to the rest of it (and much of the the other transmissions); his "a"'s are clearly heard. He may have intended to say it, but it's not on the tape. I don't buy this 35ms crap. Give me the original tape and I'll see what's there... anything else is junk. (mp3's are destructive as are most modern compression formats.)

  78. Check it for yourself! by mrjb · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I went off and downloaded the Sound clip

    Obviously, this was originally an analog recording, so there was no possibility for 'time farts' which are sometimes caused by digital congestion.

    There's no space between 'for' and 'man' that leaves room for a 'A'. If you *want* it enough though, you can imagine one right there. Note however that mr. Armstrong was speaking clearly and articulately at the time of those historic words (as anyone would, knowing they were making history). I find the explanation that Neil realized his goof-up and therefore paused after the word 'Man' more plausible.

    "The "a" was transmitted, though, and can be verified in an analysis using a Canadian sound editing software called GoldWave, Ford said."

    Gold Wave would probably be my LAST choice in any audio analysis. And what an in-depth analysis it was: Ford viewed the wave form in spectrum view, wanted to see an 'uh' sound and guess what? There it was, right at the end of the 'r' sound (which has similar spectral characteristics).

    "Ford contacted Hansen and compiled his findings in the format of a scientific paper."
    Which doesn't automatically make it a scientific paper. Of course if someone can link to the paper, I'd be more than willing to verify it.

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  79. Wikipedia dig by treeves · · Score: 1

    I loved this quote from TFA: "Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia of sorts, states in an entry on Armstrong that "for some reason the 'a' was never spoken." [emphasis mine] "Of sorts", huh? Why didn't they put "encyclopedia" in quotes, too?

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  80. hmmm.... by DanielNS84 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one here who thinks being on the moon is a good excuse for fumbling over things to say? I mean here he was on this massive technological precipice for mankind looking into the vastness of space from what must have felt like another planet...I'd totally bomb my lines too.

  81. The mistake was by Travoltus · · Score: 1, Funny

    "one small step for a man..."

    it should have been "one small step for a human... one giant leap for humanity."

    People laugh at that now, but maybe in a few centuries people will wonder why this mentality persisted for so long.

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    1. Re:The mistake was by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People laugh at that now, but maybe in a few centuries people will wonder why this mentality persisted for so long.

      Which mentality is that? The presumably sexist mentality or the mentality that takes a simple quote out of context?

      It's a mistake to judge the past by the standards of today.

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    2. Re:The mistake was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you consider the etymology of the word man from woman and wyfman, there's really no controversy at all. 'Man' is a term that generically described both sexes. Exactly why the wyf- part was dropped in reference to males is a much more interesting question.

    3. Re:The mistake was by Kuad · · Score: 1

      Historically, "man" always referred to what we call "mankind". Using it to refer to the masculine originated in Middle English, but the mankind meaning has hung along with it.

  82. Well Mr Fancypants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you think you're so awesome as to *know* the man but don't want to let the cat out of the bag I WILL!!

    He's in Ensenada Mexico. You can't get a list of all the fancy schmancy restaurants here: http://www.ensenada-tourism.com/

    HOW DID I KNOW THAT?? Did I hax0r your computer? Nope 'fraid not. Contrary to Google's mantra, Do no Evil, You can in fact do plenty of evil by simply googling your username. And geez to put up so much personal info about yourself. If you want to know more about Juan you can check that out here: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/79de2/

    It's seems he's an artsy type of guy who apparently loves cats.

    Waving tidbits around like you're an ubergeek sucks and then not even sharing? But SERIOUSLY, you shouldn't be posting all that personal info about yourself on the web. I've known way too many people who've gotten ID thefted or just plain agrravated by script kiddies by the stuff they've put up on Yahoo and Myspace.

    To quote a classic movie, MESS WITH THE BULL, GET THE HORNS! Wave stuff around like that and SOMEBODY'S gonna call ya on it ;)

    1. Re:Well Mr Fancypants by niktemadur · · Score: 1

      Jesus, it seems that one can't make a failed attempt at a joke without getting thrown eggs for it. This is, after all, Slashdot.
      If I insulted you by giving the impression of putting on airs, I apologize.

      Armstrong has been a regular visitor to Baja, though, and he comes for the brant. Everything else was a flight of fancy, or maybe I should say fancypants.

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  83. Intentional injection of interference by mattr · · Score: 1

    Phenomenon
    1. 'That's one small step for *** man, One giant leap for mankind.'"
    2. Everyone has blamed him for flubbing his lines since then
    3. Neil Armstrong says he did say "a man", backed up by analysis today

    I don't think anyone has yet mentioned that this whole issue would be perfectly logical if one allows:
    Hypothesis
    1. With the word "a" deleted, "man" means earth-based humanity as we know it and "mankind" means anything like humanity, i.e. all sentient beings including aliens who have been presumed to be distant (or by a small segment, to be hiding) until now.
    2. Interference could easily be generated from the moon, earth or its vicinity
    3. Occam's Razor may say to take the simplest proposition, however:
      a. The odds are low that interference would hit just that word because:
          i. When I say the phrase it takes 8 seconds and the word "a" is less than 1 second.
          ii. Deleting other words would render the sentence much less intelligible, while just the "a" is subtle enough to allow a controversy and blame to last 39 years.
          iii. The existence of sentient civilizations besides ours is not generally thought to be in question. The Drake equation says just how many there are likely to be. There would have to be a very nasty physical law in fact to make the proposition of the existence of aliens false.
          iv. Lately we are finding a lot of things in physics that we just don't know what the hell they mean.
          vi. Proof of the existence of narrowmindedness of humankind is evident in both the "man-centric" prejudice as opposed to "human-centric" conceptualization as noted by above poster, not to mention fundamentalist terrorism and draconian implementation of "feel-good" measures at the beginning of the millenium.

    The above exercise is intended to provide an alternate explanation for reasonable consideration has the requirement that the person opens their mind widely enough to encompass a cosmic viewpoint, which is of course the entire point of Neil Armstrong's phrase.

    Less open minds will instead of thinking about other possibilities, instead attempt to calculate randomness of interference and balance that as "odds" against the existence of alien life.

    Personal notes: Personally I find this incident the best and most positive item so far since the WOW incident lending weight to the existence of friendly non-human intelligent life in our vicinity, and to note that they have a sense of humor in allowing subtle hints to build up while we work out our own problems.

    My Dad says "I don't want to get in contact with alien bugs!" probably influenced by Heinlein's Starship Troopers, but it seems to me we will get much farther along in our development if we try more to embrace a cosmic viewpoint, which necessarily entails minimizing differences among earth-bound players, and to devote more of the global GNP to eliminating disease, poverty, minds not connected to the Internet, and at the same time investing more in space. At the very least it will be nice if we can do higher energy experimentation a little farther away from our only home, the planet Earth.

  84. TFA does not really explain why by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    TFA doesn't explain exactly why you can't hear the 'a', or why they think it was spoken but not heard. It mentions that the entire phrase was spoken in 35ms, which is presumably a mistake and they mean that the 'a' was spoken in 35ms.

    So, what went wrong? Some kind of radio equipment failure? Interferance? It doesn't mention how they figured out it was spoken, except some passing remark about Goldwave.

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  85. "Go With Throttle Up" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somoene should do the same with Dick Scobee's final message from the Challenger. He clearly says "Go with throttle up", but those deaf dullards at NASA insist he says "Go at throttle up" - because thats what he was SUPPOSED to say.

  86. The actual quote of Neil Amstrong by master_p · · Score: 1

    The actual quote of Neil Amstrong was "one small piece of cheese for a man, a giant pizza for mankind".

    But due to errors from NASA engineers, we got the "one small step for man, a giant step for mankind".

    Seriously now, the accomplishment of going to the moon, one of mankind's greatest accomplishments, is quickly fading away from people's memory, especially younger ones. If you ask youngsters, they will probably do not know that mankind stepped on the moon a few years back.

    The same thing happens with events like WWII, Perl Harbor, etc. In a century, 9/11 will also be a distant memory.

    And all this memory loss is really sad, and people will make the same mistakes again.

  87. What about the other dropped words? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    Being a little older than the average /. type, I remember Apollo 11 firsthand.

    The timing to me has always sounded like "That's one small step for man...(pause 1)...one giant leap...(pause 2)...for mankind...(burst of static)". There are thus three places for missing words.

    ...laura

  88. Maybe, but the article is crap by dodongo · · Score: 1
    It is the more dramatic and grammatically correct phrasing that Armstrong, now 76, has often said was the version he transmitted to NASA's Mission Control for broadcast to worldwide television.


    What does the authorm mean by "grammatically correct phrasing"? Or is it "more...grammatically correct phrasing"? And still, what the hell does the author mean by that? "That's one small step for man" is a perfectly grammatical utterance. How is "That's one small step for a man" any more grammatical? Becuase it has another article? Whoopee.

    [H]is global audience heard his comment without the "a," making it "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" -- a phrase that technically gave the same meaning of humankind to "man" and "mankind."


    No, it doesn't "technically" give the same meaning of humankind to "man" and "mankind". It *precisely* gives the same meaning of humankind to "man" and "mankind". Which is why I'd always interpreted the a-less version of the statement as showing an amount of poetic flair. I *like* the juxtaposition. But that's really beside the point... back to bashing the article.

    According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, "One small step for a man ..." in a total of 35 milliseconds, 10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible.


    I hope Ford didn't say that. And I'm sure Armstrong didn't say that. Armstrong said "One small step for a man" in 35 milliseconds? As in .035 seconds? As in, um, well, you try and get it out in one thirtieth of a second and see how you do, huh? Furthermore, on what basis is 35 milliseconds too fast for a schwa (the sound that unstressed "a" would make in this utterance) to be audible? That sounds pretty reasonable to me. Was it too fast for their analog radio communications? What component of the signal chain only had a resolution of one-third of a second?

    I can't speak to the study or the conclusions thereof, but the accuracy of that article was crap.

    1. Re:Maybe, but the article is crap by rogerz · · Score: 1

      You are correct. A schwa in spontaneous speech can have duration way less than 35 msec. In fact, 5 msec is quite reasonable. On the other hand, as you and other have stated, it practically impossible to speak 5 (or 6) syllables in 35 msec. I am a researcher in automatic speech recognition, and typical word durations in spontaneously spoken English are about 300 msec. When people are dictating very quickly, they can get this down to about 100 msec, but not much faster.

      It is perfectly reasonable for Armstrong's "a" to have been intended but either elided at the source or dropped in the communication channel, but not that he spoke as fast as this article claims.

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    2. Re:Maybe, but the article is crap by dodongo · · Score: 1
      typical word durations in spontaneously spoken English are about 300 msec


      Out of curiosity, how many syllables do you figure are in the average word in spontaneous production? Is it just a derived average from a corpus, or...? I don't do speech recognition, but I'm in grad school in linguistics (and a certificate in NLP), and find this stuff fascinating.
  89. Why notice only now? by theshibboleth · · Score: 1

    I looked at audio of Armstrong's line in Audacity, slowing it down and doing a noise removal, and there definitely is something between the "for" and the "man," but it's all slurred togther. It seems weird to me that this was only noticed now. The technology existed for certainly over 20 years, I think and was probably around when the original recording was made. This doesn't require any high-tech software/hardware or special skills to see.

  90. "35 milliseconds?" Nonsense. by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    The article says "According to Ford, Armstrong spoke, 'One small step for a man ...' in a total of 35 milliseconds, 10 times too fast for the "a" to be audible."

    I just checked the video (first one I found... I'm sure there are some that don't have Mahler music in the background, and it takes him a good three seconds to make the statement.

    With pure bullshit like that, how can I trust anything else the article says?

    The official transcript confirms the mistake, and the lengthy Snopes article (with an embellished recording indicates that Armstrong himself acknowledged and regretted the error. He flubbed his line, and encyclopedias that quote him with as "That's one small step for [a] man" are doing so for courtesy, not historical accuracy.

    As so why some of us are so bothered by the whole issue... it is very disturbing to see a perfectly plain, perfectly simple bit of history being distorted within one's own lifetime. I listened to that broadcast as it occurred. There was no static. It took everyone a moment to absorb the fact that he'd obviously made a mistake, and quitely likely some people "heard" what they expected to hear.

    If we can see history distorted in a case like this where the only thing at stake is very mild embarrassment to Mr. Armstrong, it certainly makes me feel that we can't trust history in cases where anyone has anything important to gain from distortion.

  91. His REAL first words by Spackler · · Score: 4, Funny

    In 1972, Armstrong cleared up his first words were actually:

    Holy Shit! I'm on the fscking moon!

    1. Re:His REAL first words by JThundley · · Score: 1

      It's true, here's a recording of the account:
      http://trml.ytmnsfw.com/

  92. word black holes and such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think he was the subject of a lost time incident. The aliens residing on the other side of the moon probably shot him with their beam and when they returned him to his previous position where he was in mid-sentence, the "a" just got lost.

    I always thought it sounded like he was holding back a burp when he said.

  93. Only an anal-retentive asshat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...can't understand what he meant.

    That whole "man in that context means mankind" argument is crap. Man in that context means "man" as in a small no doubt singular thing and mankind means the vast human experience, lest the whole thing does not make sense. Therefore anyone with half a brain knows EXACTLY what he meant and the significance of it.

    Jeez!

  94. Re:Ingrained Quotes, and hearing what you think by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

    Hang On. I was watching and listening and I thought "Huh?" when I heard "One small step for man." I think I figured out that "a" was missing a few moments later. Now where my recollection may be faulty is that I remember no added beat between for and man, and I don't remember Armstrong's delivery being all drawly and nonchalant. In fact, I remember Armstrong speaking deliberately as he knew the world was watching and the words to be recorded. I also thought that the pause between "man" and "one giant leap..." was longer than it should have been, as though he were playing back what he had just said and realizing it didn't sound quite right. Maybe you doubt the 37 years later recollections of a then 12 year old, and maybe 21st century computers and analysis of the audio tape (didn't we learn the other week that the video tape has disappeared) show me to be wrong, but please don't suggest I was brainwashed by Uncle Walter on this one.

  95. Have you LISTENED to the audio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you listened to the audio? I have. The full first phrase takes 2.20 sec, the `for man' takes 0.62 sec. There is very little noise, and the speach is quite clear.

  96. WE WERE NEVER THERE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn it I'm tired of this. I'm not going to give you a bunch of links. You're smart people. The truth is: WE DID NOT PUT A MAN ON THE MOON. It's all lies and I'm tired of the lies. Wake up people. Do the research. See for yourself. The pictures were faked. Everything faked. We were lied to people.

  97. I thought I heard the "a" too by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I saw the actual landing on TV and thought I heard the "a". There was some static and hesitaton. It made a lot more sense with the "a".

  98. That is a scary article by umeboshi · · Score: 1

    The scariest part is "The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office has declined to file charges."

  99. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by cp.tar · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall being accused for this once before... wasn't true then, isn't true now.

    Anyway, I was obviously rooting for a Flamebait mod, not Troll. So you're provably wrong.

    I'd like to use this opportunity to warn the metamodders: the Flamebait moderation was asked for, and therefore fair.

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  100. Fruh by yoshac · · Score: 1

    Listen to the tape. OK, so clearly he doesn't say 'for a man' But if you isolate that syllable, it does sound like he says 'fruh' I'd take that as a valid contraction of "for a". So the complete quote is: "That's one small step fruh man"....."One,..giant leap, fur mankind"

  101. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Not true. Take any +5 comment, give it -1 Troll, then (someone else) +1 Underrated.

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  102. Good riddance by NetHead026 · · Score: 1

    See? We wouldn't be having this discussion if we'd plugged up the a hole a long time ago!

  103. It's not the audio... by NewToNix · · Score: 1

    It's the footprint that mattered.

  104. Aldrin spoke the first words from the Moon... by hicksw · · Score: 1

    ... he just happened to be wearing a Lunar Module over his space suit.

    The words of Buzz Aldrin as the Apollo 11 Lunar Module approached the
    lunar surface:

    Light's on.
    Down 2 1/2... forward, forward. Good.
    40 feet, down 2 1/2. Picking up some dust.
    30 feet, 2 1/2 down. Faint shadow.
    Four forward, drifting to the right a little.
    Forward...drifting right...contact light.
    OK, engine stop. ACA out of detent. Mode controls both auto.
    Descent engine command override off. Engine arm off. 413 is in.

  105. or for the conspiracy theorists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep that hangar door closed!

  106. Wait, stop, switch that... by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

    I manage to do that all the time, and it gets easier the more I've had to drink. I can throw myself at the sky and miss with my eyes closed, even. Although, those times tend to hurt more when I hit the ground.

    Throwing myself at the ground, and missing, on the third hand, still needs work.

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  107. One thing is for certain by CptPicard · · Score: 1

    That's one great relief for a Neil...

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  108. Re:*Ahem* (underrated moderation) by Barryke · · Score: 1

    I think it hurts when i do that.

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