I call bullshit on this one. Sorry, but I think you are either exagerating are are a liar. I don't know were you got you're so called stats from but they are all wrong. If you were truely an Addict, which I doubt, then you are very lucky indead, to acheive sobriaty without support.
You can convince me you know what your talking about. What were doing, how did it affect you, how long were you doing it, what percentage of your accosiates were also doinig it, what did you do to get sober, and how long did it take? Maybe you experiences are relevant, maybe the are not.
From my 10 years experience involved with tweekers attempting sobriaty ( I use to live 3/4km from halfway house centeral), I have been involved with hundreds of people. I am also very open about my background so coworkers will often tell me things about their past that they normaly don't talk about. In all of my extensive experience, I have met exactly one persone who quit tweeking on will power. I know hundreds more who failed. I know some 60 to 70 who achieved sobriaty through faith in a higher power.
Almost all examples of people who achieved sobriaty through will power invoves people with drug habits, not drug Addictions, a very differnt thing. If sobriaty was just a matter of will power then a lot more people would be getting sober. What you are saying is that ships should not carry life boats, because people can just swim to shore. Then using the example of a ship goining down where one man does actualy swim to shore, without mention the several hunder who drowned because they were not trained open ocean swimmers.
This whole anti AA ( which is actualy anti God, as its the God aspect that pisses people off) sobriaty thing is purely an internet phenomina. There is absolutly no validity in it. It is in the same catagory as Crystal Power, magnetic braclets, and a good portion of herbal medicine. The only difference is that people are dying right now believing they can get sober on will power.
This guy is competely wrong on all counts. He is so clueless that I cant beleve he got modded to a five again. He has absolutly know understanding of what he is talking about. He sounds worse the a sunday televagelist commenting on the latest scientific developments. Some of what he said was going around as part of an internet scam a few years back, like this stupid Q and A.
I'll say it one more time:
ADDICTION IS NOT A HABIT!
Its amasing that people beleive this nonsence. I normaly do not care about what people believe. But in this case peoples live are at risk. This thinking KILLS people. It is a serious matter. In fact Julian Morrison is practising quakery. If someone convinced some people that their mirical wonder drug cured cancer, and those people died because they did not seak real treatment, that person would be in jail. Julian Morrisons bullshit is the SAME thing.
It takes more then desire, to shake the shakels of addiction. I agree that without that desire, freedom will not come. But on a whole, the statment is false. Breaking addiction is not a matter of will power. Drug addiction is not the same as a drug habit. Habits can be broken through will. This is probably what you were dealing with. I sure hope so. I have friends that were able to stop using some drugs (not all) just by saying no. I envy them. I also have some friends that are able to open a beer, drink some and put the rest in the frig for latter( WOW). Drug Addiction is quit another matter. The inability to break free of addiction does not indicate a lack of will to do so. I wish it was so easy. Once the chemical dependency has been abated (which can be done sometime through self will), a lot more needs to be done. Chemical dependency is only one facet of Addiction. The whole purpose of the AA or NA 12 steps is to formalize a process to help a person free themself. Of course all of this is poinless if a person is unwilling to face the fact that they have a problem, and is unwilling to do anything about it. BTW, only 3% of the meth addics who attempt sobriaty succed. The figures are even worse for crack addicts. They are a lot better for alcholics. I've heard between 10 to 20%. Crack heads and tweekers usualy give up after two or three failed attempts ( tweeking has a sever impact on mental processes that last long after the effects of the drug has ended). Alcoholics will often attempt sobriaty after many failed attempts. I am not sure why this is. It might have to do with Alcoholics fitting in better with sociaty. Tweekers cant fit in to anything but tweekdom. They tend to become cut off from sociaty as a whole and spend the rest of their life in tweekville. It is truely a sad thing.
You should not try to comment on things you are incapable of understanding. All you do is make yourself look stupid. Some things can not be explained unless experienced. The wise person realizes this. The fool thinks they know everything, based on their limited experience. On the subject of recovery from poly-addiction, the facts are against you. Only a fool disregards facts. I am assuming you are not a fool. You say I am walking on crutches, well those cruches allow me to soar. You alude to knowing God as an addiction. That is probably close to the truth. Addictions are what people try to use to fill the hole in their lives were God belongs. People try to fill that hole with all sorts of things. Some like me tried drugs, some work, some money, some sex, and some flaky lifestyles. These things do not work. They are the wrong shape. Just because you are blind to the Spiritual dimension to existance does not mean that it is not important. At some point in your life, you will find something lacking. You will find an emptiness inside. The things you use to fill that emptiness will not work anymore. Those who are predisposed to chemical ( and information) addiction probably get to that point faster ( if they live long enough). Those who use work, or family, or community, will probably take longer, as those things have a spiritual dimmension. I would have included religion also but that need some clarification. Religion is a set of rules and practices created by man to approch God. This has a very prominent spiritual dimension, so much so that people often confuse it with true Spirituality. This last comes from a relationship with God. As a Christian, my relationship with God is through Jesus and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Hopfuly, at some point in your life you will experience the Power of God. At that point, some of what I say will make sence. BTW, I can prove the nesecity of the existance of God through Jesus, but that would require you to know some Analysis.
OOOOH boy. You have absolutly know idea what you are talking about. If you truely believe what you say, then you are far more ignorant then those Christians who still believe that Evolutionary Fact is incompatable with the Biblical Truth. The opinions of people who think like your portrayal are competely irrelevent to reality. They can be more safely disregarded then a three year old childs musings on quantum mechanics.
As a recovered Alcohlic, with a bout of meth addiction, I am truely angered by such ignorant comments. It took me nearly 6 months and three attempts to shake the affects of only four months of heavy tweeking. It was pure hell. Without the power of the Holy Spirit and the Love of Jesus, I would be dead right now. I will be celebrating my 10 year of sobriaty in August.
And to think some pimply faced suburbinites still living with their moms moded you up to 3 Insightfull. Next time the clue train passes, I suggest you get on.
I think zoning out on a dictionary tracking word entomologies to their indoeuropian roots while at work is detrimental. Or getting side tracked researching math libraries, when looking for XML parsers was the goal, is detrimental. Spending an hour in the "Reading Room" with the "Flora of Sonoma County" might not be detrimental, but it sure can piss off my son who needs to use the facilities. And I woke up at 1000 today because I was up late researching statistics on death and famine in support of a/. post I was composing. It took me 6 month to finish my resume, because I kept doing silly things like finding the meaning of a kanji word, on the back of some Anime Charachters shirt, with out a real kanji dictionary. So not only am I ADD, I am also info addicted. This sure explains a lot. When I was a kid, ( befor ADD was identified), I use to call myself, mentaly hyper. We knew about hyper kids, and I was not one of them, but I knew there was something "wrong". Oh well.
There are no holes. I'm ADD to begin with. I also can't spell. When I use a dictionary to look up a word, I have to be very very carfull to not zone out. I especialy love entomologies. I can spend hours with a good dictionary. This goes for any reference work, or math text. I get high learning math. While working on a project, if I have trouble focusing ( ADD remember), I sometimes can use studying as a vehical to hyperfocusing. It does not always work because sometimes I can't find a smooth transistion from the research to the work I am doing. But it is usefull enough to keep in my repuitare of focusing techniques.
I actualy do have hearing problems. To many years of riding Harleys without a helmet, and listening to racks of equipment with muffin fans.
I still don't like on-board sound, even though I can not realy hear the difference. The problem, in my opinion is architectual. I like modular designs, not integrated ones. Integrated serial, parallel, and USB, I can live with. Integrated NIC, getting iffy. Integrated video no way no how!
And my friends think I'm silly for wanting to write an OS and Desktop/WM in Ada. The only time I ever plan to use C/C++ again is for work. Buffer overflows, geesh.
I guess I should have been a little more carfull in my wording. The published majority opinion would not have stated such a thing directly because it was not needed and would have been incredibly inflamitor. It was however implied. The dissenting opinion would definatly not have refered to this. But if you followed the case at all, you would know that this was a factor. Early on, the Dems had a so called expert witness, an expert in statistics. The problem with her testimony was that she used a statistical model that was not applicable. It did not fly. Most politicians know enough about statistics, especial as the apply to vote copunting, to catch the misuse. The news media quickly droped the issue. In fact, I don't remember reading in any of the major news stories, coverage of the problems with the testimony, or the fact that it was being disregarded ( sorry about the sentence structure, I'm dealing with a hyperactive 10 year old right nbow). I'll try to dig up some real references when I have to time. Priorities!
Repressive anti-freedom legilation has its roots in liberal philosophy. America is strong because the people are empowered, not the federal government. A government only becomes strong at the expense of the people. This has always and will always be true. A strong Federal government results in a week America.
As a Libertarian leaning Republican, I strongly appose the PATRIOT Act. One only need to study the history of the events leading up to WWII and the subsequent invasion of France, to understand the problem with it.
The dems backed down because a proper recount, which was not what the dems wanted, would have shown Bush winning by an even greater percentage. Sevral poorly reported studies show just this. What the US High Court said was, that there should be a total recount or no recount, not the lame demographic based recount the dems wanted.
Only in America ( thank goodness). In how many other countries could something like this to happen, and still be a part of the governmantal process? All REAL Republicans should ban together to undo this anti American legislation. It is contrary to the historic philosophy of the party. When Republican leadership starts running around acting like Demoncrats, its time to change the leadership.
Redhat 7.1 and 7.2 are the standard versions used by industry and research. They are concidered more stable then newer releases. Most GNU/Linux hosting in the US uses RH7.2. It works and does not have some of the issues of OSs that use the kernel of pain. I do all of my development to target RH7.1. After the 2.6 kernel gains some maturity, I will probably change this. BTW, the 2.4 kernel realy has little to offer in the way of improving performance for the type of application NASA is intersted in. The same will not be true of the 2.6 series as can be seen in the current 2.5 tree.
... sound like failing fans. Two weeks ago, while doing an all night coding session, I heard a failing fan. I at first thought it was my window fan. I turned it off; the sound continued. "Oh no my system is dying." I had just replaced my CPU fan, which I would not have done if I had'nt heard it failing. In a panic (I'm unemployed and don't have the resources to replace my old PPro system) I shut everything down. Fortunatly the sound continued. It was coming from outside. I finally located the source even though it was highly intermitend, fading in and out just like a failing fan. What I found was a days old orphaned raccoon cub right outside my window. It was yelling for its mom. Right now the cub and a sibling are with a Wildlife Rescue raccoon specialist.
BTW, a stupid artical like this one desireves OT posts:P
Has'nt anyone heard of the mixed non-correlated sound separation problem? I would have imagined that at least SOME/. readers besides myself would be aware of this AI proble. geesh
Your comment painfully illustrates your complete ignorance. Any REAL problems NASA has can be directly tied to knee jerk whiners like you.
I bet your a Democrate.
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I rarely took vacation because I needed the overtime hours to make ends meet. I'm living in one of the most expensive areas in the US. I was working for a company with pay lower then the national average. This ment that even as a skilled programmer, I was being paid just bellow the cost of living for a single parent. I never had the money to take vacation. If I did, my paycheck would be $300 light. And when I did it was because I had to do something around the house or fix my truck. So much for the f**king California Life Style.
Now why would I care about an Outlook drop-in? Besides, the only sentence I could come up with that uses both "Outlook" and "usefull" is, "Reformating the hard drive is a usefull way to remove Outlook and other viri, that also eliminates the MS detritus that common viri feed on."
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You can convince me you know what your talking about. What were doing, how did it affect you, how long were you doing it, what percentage of your accosiates were also doinig it, what did you do to get sober, and how long did it take? Maybe you experiences are relevant, maybe the are not.
From my 10 years experience involved with tweekers attempting sobriaty ( I use to live 3/4km from halfway house centeral), I have been involved with hundreds of people. I am also very open about my background so coworkers will often tell me things about their past that they normaly don't talk about. In all of my extensive experience, I have met exactly one persone who quit tweeking on will power. I know hundreds more who failed. I know some 60 to 70 who achieved sobriaty through faith in a higher power.
Almost all examples of people who achieved sobriaty through will power invoves people with drug habits, not drug Addictions, a very differnt thing. If sobriaty was just a matter of will power then a lot more people would be getting sober. What you are saying is that ships should not carry life boats, because people can just swim to shore. Then using the example of a ship goining down where one man does actualy swim to shore, without mention the several hunder who drowned because they were not trained open ocean swimmers.
This whole anti AA ( which is actualy anti God, as its the God aspect that pisses people off) sobriaty thing is purely an internet phenomina. There is absolutly no validity in it. It is in the same catagory as Crystal Power, magnetic braclets, and a good portion of herbal medicine. The only difference is that people are dying right now believing they can get sober on will power.
So convince me your not full of shit.
I'll say it one more time:
ADDICTION IS NOT A HABIT!
Its amasing that people beleive this nonsence. I normaly do not care about what people believe. But in this case peoples live are at risk. This thinking KILLS people. It is a serious matter. In fact Julian Morrison is practising quakery. If someone convinced some people that their mirical wonder drug cured cancer, and those people died because they did not seak real treatment, that person would be in jail. Julian Morrisons bullshit is the SAME thing.
It takes more then desire, to shake the shakels of addiction. I agree that without that desire, freedom will not come. But on a whole, the statment is false. Breaking addiction is not a matter of will power. Drug addiction is not the same as a drug habit. Habits can be broken through will. This is probably what you were dealing with. I sure hope so. I have friends that were able to stop using some drugs (not all) just by saying no. I envy them. I also have some friends that are able to open a beer, drink some and put the rest in the frig for latter( WOW). Drug Addiction is quit another matter. The inability to break free of addiction does not indicate a lack of will to do so. I wish it was so easy. Once the chemical dependency has been abated (which can be done sometime through self will), a lot more needs to be done. Chemical dependency is only one facet of Addiction. The whole purpose of the AA or NA 12 steps is to formalize a process to help a person free themself. Of course all of this is poinless if a person is unwilling to face the fact that they have a problem, and is unwilling to do anything about it. BTW, only 3% of the meth addics who attempt sobriaty succed. The figures are even worse for crack addicts. They are a lot better for alcholics. I've heard between 10 to 20%. Crack heads and tweekers usualy give up after two or three failed attempts ( tweeking has a sever impact on mental processes that last long after the effects of the drug has ended). Alcoholics will often attempt sobriaty after many failed attempts. I am not sure why this is. It might have to do with Alcoholics fitting in better with sociaty. Tweekers cant fit in to anything but tweekdom. They tend to become cut off from sociaty as a whole and spend the rest of their life in tweekville. It is truely a sad thing.
You should not try to comment on things you are incapable of understanding. All you do is make yourself look stupid. Some things can not be explained unless experienced. The wise person realizes this. The fool thinks they know everything, based on their limited experience. On the subject of recovery from poly-addiction, the facts are against you. Only a fool disregards facts. I am assuming you are not a fool. You say I am walking on crutches, well those cruches allow me to soar. You alude to knowing God as an addiction. That is probably close to the truth. Addictions are what people try to use to fill the hole in their lives were God belongs. People try to fill that hole with all sorts of things. Some like me tried drugs, some work, some money, some sex, and some flaky lifestyles. These things do not work. They are the wrong shape. Just because you are blind to the Spiritual dimension to existance does not mean that it is not important. At some point in your life, you will find something lacking. You will find an emptiness inside. The things you use to fill that emptiness will not work anymore. Those who are predisposed to chemical ( and information) addiction probably get to that point faster ( if they live long enough). Those who use work, or family, or community, will probably take longer, as those things have a spiritual dimmension. I would have included religion also but that need some clarification. Religion is a set of rules and practices created by man to approch God. This has a very prominent spiritual dimension, so much so that people often confuse it with true Spirituality. This last comes from a relationship with God. As a Christian, my relationship with God is through Jesus and empowered by the Holy Spirit. Hopfuly, at some point in your life you will experience the Power of God. At that point, some of what I say will make sence. BTW, I can prove the nesecity of the existance of God through Jesus, but that would require you to know some Analysis.
As a recovered Alcohlic, with a bout of meth addiction, I am truely angered by such ignorant comments. It took me nearly 6 months and three attempts to shake the affects of only four months of heavy tweeking. It was pure hell. Without the power of the Holy Spirit and the Love of Jesus, I would be dead right now. I will be celebrating my 10 year of sobriaty in August.
And to think some pimply faced suburbinites still living with their moms moded you up to 3 Insightfull. Next time the clue train passes, I suggest you get on.
I think zoning out on a dictionary tracking word entomologies to their indoeuropian roots while at work is detrimental. Or getting side tracked researching math libraries, when looking for XML parsers was the goal, is detrimental. Spending an hour in the "Reading Room" with the "Flora of Sonoma County" might not be detrimental, but it sure can piss off my son who needs to use the facilities. And I woke up at 1000 today because I was up late researching statistics on death and famine in support of a /. post I was composing. It took me 6 month to finish my resume, because I kept doing silly things like finding the meaning of a kanji word, on the back of some Anime Charachters shirt, with out a real kanji dictionary. So not only am I ADD, I am also info addicted. This sure explains a lot. When I was a kid, ( befor ADD was identified), I use to call myself, mentaly hyper. We knew about hyper kids, and I was not one of them, but I knew there was something "wrong". Oh well.
... just coffee. Wonder why so many techies are coffee hounds?
There are no holes. I'm ADD to begin with. I also can't spell. When I use a dictionary to look up a word, I have to be very very carfull to not zone out. I especialy love entomologies. I can spend hours with a good dictionary. This goes for any reference work, or math text. I get high learning math. While working on a project, if I have trouble focusing ( ADD remember), I sometimes can use studying as a vehical to hyperfocusing. It does not always work because sometimes I can't find a smooth transistion from the research to the work I am doing. But it is usefull enough to keep in my repuitare of focusing techniques.
ummm, never mind.
I actualy do have hearing problems. To many years of riding Harleys without a helmet, and listening to racks of equipment with muffin fans.
I still don't like on-board sound, even though I can not realy hear the difference. The problem, in my opinion is architectual. I like modular designs, not integrated ones. Integrated serial, parallel, and USB, I can live with. Integrated NIC, getting iffy. Integrated video no way no how!
And my friends think I'm silly for wanting to write an OS and Desktop/WM in Ada. The only time I ever plan to use C/C++ again is for work. Buffer overflows, geesh.
I guess I should have been a little more carfull in my wording. The published majority opinion would not have stated such a thing directly because it was not needed and would have been incredibly inflamitor. It was however implied. The dissenting opinion would definatly not have refered to this. But if you followed the case at all, you would know that this was a factor. Early on, the Dems had a so called expert witness, an expert in statistics. The problem with her testimony was that she used a statistical model that was not applicable. It did not fly. Most politicians know enough about statistics, especial as the apply to vote copunting, to catch the misuse. The news media quickly droped the issue. In fact, I don't remember reading in any of the major news stories, coverage of the problems with the testimony, or the fact that it was being disregarded ( sorry about the sentence structure, I'm dealing with a hyperactive 10 year old right nbow). I'll try to dig up some real references when I have to time. Priorities!
Repressive anti-freedom legilation has its roots in liberal philosophy. America is strong because the people are empowered, not the federal government. A government only becomes strong at the expense of the people. This has always and will always be true. A strong Federal government results in a week America.
As a Libertarian leaning Republican, I strongly appose the PATRIOT Act. One only need to study the history of the events leading up to WWII and the subsequent invasion of France, to understand the problem with it.
If one group is examined for criminal activity more closely then another group, then that group will yeild more criminals.
The dems backed down because a proper recount, which was not what the dems wanted, would have shown Bush winning by an even greater percentage. Sevral poorly reported studies show just this. What the US High Court said was, that there should be a total recount or no recount, not the lame demographic based recount the dems wanted.
Only in America ( thank goodness). In how many other countries could something like this to happen, and still be a part of the governmantal process? All REAL Republicans should ban together to undo this anti American legislation. It is contrary to the historic philosophy of the party. When Republican leadership starts running around acting like Demoncrats, its time to change the leadership.
Redhat 7.1 and 7.2 are the standard versions used by industry and research. They are concidered more stable then newer releases. Most GNU/Linux hosting in the US uses RH7.2. It works and does not have some of the issues of OSs that use the kernel of pain. I do all of my development to target RH7.1. After the 2.6 kernel gains some maturity, I will probably change this. BTW, the 2.4 kernel realy has little to offer in the way of improving performance for the type of application NASA is intersted in. The same will not be true of the 2.6 series as can be seen in the current 2.5 tree.
BTW, a stupid artical like this one desireves OT posts :P
One of my buddies performed destructive testing of Jet engines. Now thats a job!
Has'nt anyone heard of the mixed non-correlated sound separation problem? I would have imagined that at least SOME /. readers besides myself would be aware of this AI proble. geesh
Besides, two of the three products you sited are actually very good; doing everything that is claimed for them.
To bad that reasoning is not taught in school.
What do expect from an image processing company owned by Bill Gates!
Your comment painfully illustrates your complete ignorance. Any REAL problems NASA has can be directly tied to knee jerk whiners like you.
I bet your a Democrate.
I rarely took vacation because I needed the overtime hours to make ends meet. I'm living in one of the most expensive areas in the US. I was working for a company with pay lower then the national average. This ment that even as a skilled programmer, I was being paid just bellow the cost of living for a single parent. I never had the money to take vacation. If I did, my paycheck would be $300 light. And when I did it was because I had to do something around the house or fix my truck. So much for the f**king California Life Style.
Hormel could respond by direct marketing via email. Anyways I think its more like Spam == fake, Ham == real.
Now why would I care about an Outlook drop-in? Besides, the only sentence I could come up with that uses both "Outlook" and "usefull" is, "Reformating the hard drive is a usefull way to remove Outlook and other viri, that also eliminates the MS detritus that common viri feed on."