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Melamine Ceiling Tiles and the Quiet PC

Delta Screemer writes "What good are ceiling tiles when it comes to making a computer quieter? Well, Max Page of FrostyTech has found a use for 'Melamine Foam Sound Absorbing Ceiling Tiles' as a cheap way of lowering the noise a computer produces. By lining the insides of a computer with these $3 24"x24" industrial office panels he was able to quiet a computer by several dBA. That may not sound like much (pun intended), but when you compare the price of these melamine foam panel to products like Dynamat the price difference is substantial."

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  1. quiet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    make for loud masterbation

    1. Re:quiet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score 4, Funny c'mon moderators, stop masterbating and start moderating. well I laughed

  2. Move? by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or he could save cash and increase functionality by putting the computer in a cupboard...

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    1. Re:Move? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or increase security as well by burying it in concrete.

    2. Re:Move? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That generally isn't an option anymore with high-end PCs. The ammount of airflow required to keep the temperatures down generally precludes the use of a container space such as a cupboard. It's still possible to do so, however. One simply needs to be careful and monitor temperatures regularly.

      A few years ago my friend had his Pentium 166 in a cupboard. Even with the back of the cupboard open for cables and ventilation, the computer still became very hot, and may have crashed on more then one occasion due to overheating.

      Try that now with a 60-80W CPU, a video card, etc.

    3. Re:Move? by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      you do realize that the computer sits in a metal box, right? Just checking... and I would imagine that you could provide ventilation entry and exit points and still keep the noise down..

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    4. Re:Move? by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      Please... if you troll be more original. Did you enroll to a 'computer science' course in the state college of fuckwits for nothing?

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  3. And the really good part is.... by nzyank · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... it helps keep your PC nice and warm and toasty inside. Metal conducts heat. The side of my computer is warm. Ergo it is probably helping transfer heat outside of the computer where it belongs.

    1. Re:And the really good part is.... by Enry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It shouldn't be. That's why you have air circulation.

    2. Re:And the really good part is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So if I just covered my computer with a giant tea cozy* (with holes for the fans) it'd be great? :^)

      * Padded cover for a tea-pot to keep it warm, but tea-pots rarely have fans.

    3. Re:And the really good part is.... by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 1

      Unless the heat producing parts of your computer are in direct contact with the metal, there's no difference, because the air acts as a nice insulator. In fact, it's one of the best insulators out there.

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    4. Re:And the really good part is.... by Laur · · Score: 5, Informative
      Unless the heat producing parts of your computer are in direct contact with the metal, there's no difference, because the air acts as a nice insulator.

      False. While you are correct that air has a low thermal conductivity, if you have a signifigant air gap (say >.5") you will get convection. This is what the fans are doing, providing forced convection inside the case, transfering heat from the hot componets to the sides of the computer as well as expelling the hot air. Air is only a good insulator if you can keep it from circulating. Incidentely, this is why foams are good insulators, they are mostly little pockets of air which can't circulate. This is why if you are using foam to insulate something you do NOT want to compress it.

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    5. Re:And the really good part is.... by ponos · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Did you know you can fertilize your lawn with used motor oil?

      OK, this is totally off topic, but you should
      NOT fertilize your lawn with motor oil. It
      contains several mutagenic/carcinogenic
      substances and you don't want them going
      underground to pollute water/plants etc.

      Used motor oil should be properly disposed
      of in places that later sell it/use it where
      appropriate (ships can burn it, it has other CLEAN uses).

      P.

    6. Re:And the really good part is.... by Conspir8or · · Score: 1

      Haven't seen Fight Club , huh?

    7. Re:And the really good part is.... by iangoldby · · Score: 1

      Now I'm waiting for the tea-pot casemod...

    8. Re:And the really good part is.... by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1

      Why this Obsesion with the sound of computers, like there so quiet, I love the noise my PC makes, it's kind of reasuring, Either some of you have very sensitive hearing (poor didums) or your sissys (sorry but it needs saying).

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  4. Hmm... by DNAspark99 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does this mean I can cram in one of those ceiling fans too?

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  5. Morons. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lastly, since the front intake ports on this case are not used,

    Yeah...all those fans blowing out in the back don't need to pull air from anywhere. And they won't get louder as they have to run harder to pull air through the cracks in between the drive bays and around the insulation you just put in from on the intake.

    The really impressive thing about this article is that they guy managed to write an antire article about something as simple as chucking some industrial noise insulation material into a case.

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    1. Re:Morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think this method would work well with a watercooling setup. Generally you have only a few fans in such a setup, and fanless (passive) cooling is also possible. With a good watercooling rig the insulation could effectively dampen the sound of the hard drives and cdrom drives without causing the system to overheat.

    2. Re:Morons. by rlsnyder · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Even more impressive, for me, was that I'm pretty sure the guy has no clue what this stuff is designed to be used for, even though he quotes an expert that is trying to explain it to him.


      This stuff is designed to control acoustics within a room, and requires a double wall / airspace barrier to be effective. I would wager you'd get the same, if not more, sound absorption from throwing a doubled up blanket around the case - hey, you'd still even get the equally dumb reduction in thermal transfer and increase in overheating.

    3. Re:Morons. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >This stuff is designed to control acoustics within a room, and requires a double wall / airspace barrier to be effective.

      Wow, that's pretty insightful, seeing as how it says so in the article. Did you actually read it, or are you just betting that we haven't and so will be awed by your 1337 5k331z?

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    4. Re:Morons. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's astonishingly insightful! I guess we should believe your off-the-cuff opinion rather the 1.4C temperature rise and 6.8dBa noise dop actually quoted in the article, right? I am so turned on right now.

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    5. Re:Morons. by rlsnyder · · Score: 1

      Well, if it says so in the article, and everyone has read the article, then they wouldn't need you to point out that I was restating part of it for emphasis, would they? Did you actually think about that, or are you trying to awe us all with your keen sense of sarcasm?

    6. Re:Morons. by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >are you trying to awe us all with your keen sense of sarcasm?

      Shock and awe. Don't get all prissy now that you've been rumbled. You know as well as I do that most people here don't read the article before posting, reading comments or rating, so you're definitely in the majority. Ignore the voice of sanity behind the curtain.

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    7. Re:Morons. by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's astonishingly insightful! I guess we should believe your off-the-cuff opinion rather the 1.4C temperature rise and 6.8dBa noise dop actually quoted in the article, right? I am so turned on right now.

      That's my whole point, troll. It's amazing that so much time and effort was wasted to write this article. I could show you the same numbers if I wrap a blanket around my case and spend the next 6 hours measuring, photographing, and making a web page about it.

      This idiot didn't even use appropriate material to do the soundproofing, and when someone who knew what they were talking about nicely pointed that out, he took it as nothing more than a "good job" and included it in his article.

      You are both morons. Do not reproduce.

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  6. WHY????? by zumbojo · · Score: 1

    Who could resist the soothing sound of nine case fans wirring in unison? mmmm...

    1. Re:WHY????? by bsharitt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the sound of my case fans used to help me get to sleep, but now I have this damned iMac, and I haven't been able to sleep since.

  7. They'll find a use for everything... by rusty+spoon · · Score: 1

    These case moding fools will find a use for any old scrap of crap lying around. Some people have more time than money and this is how they spend it.

    I wonder though, where's the comparative results for other useless bits of household waste; paper (flat or scrunched up), toner cartridges, empty cans?

    1. Re:They'll find a use for everything... by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

      Well, I built a duct from my CPU Heatsink fan to the back of my case with cut up manila folders. I'm now replacing that duct, which has served me well and kept my case significantly cooler. Its replacement is made out of.....

      2-liter soda bottles.

      Yay for ghetto case modding!

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  8. Summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Computer user discovers a sound absorbing item indeed absorbs sound.

  9. I like loud computers by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It lets me know things are working correctly.

    A silent hard drive is a dead hard drive.

    A silent fan is a dead fan.

    Give me as many physical clues to the health of the machines, if you please.

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    1. Re:I like loud computers by metatruk · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A silent hard drive is a dead hard drive.
      A noisy hard drive is a dying hard drive.
    2. Re:I like loud computers by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Funny

      > A noisy hard drive is a dying hard drive.

      Or a seagate. :D

      Course they're fine these days, but several years back it was like setting off a chainsaw inside your machine.

    3. Re:I like loud computers by debrain · · Score: 1
      Course they're fine these days, but several years back it was like setting off a chainsaw inside your machine.

      I keep thinking of a little Ash running around in the computer ... "good ... bad ... I'm the guy with the gun"

      ... "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with ... molecular structures."

    4. Re:I like loud computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to find technology that amplifys the sound my computer generates!!! I want my fans to blast air with motors that make 50 db of noise while my hard drive crunches at a whopping 70 db!! Then the next time some A+ certified engineers walk past my cubicle, I will crank my techno music all the way up and put on some goggles and shout "I AM ONE L33T HAX0R!!!!" That ought to throw them off guard.

    5. Re:I like loud computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A silent fan is a dead fan."

      So only use fans that have that third wire that reports the rpm to the motherboard.

    6. Re:I like loud computers by Cruel+Angel · · Score: 1

      so you're one of the reaons my keyboard used to go clickity clickity (ah, the old model m), why my digital camera makes a whirring noise when I push an electronic (i.e. not mechanical) button, and why a million other products have feed-back, when there is no other reason for it, other than, "so I know it's working"

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    7. Re:I like loud computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It lets me know things are working correctly.

      A silent hard drive is a dead hard drive.

      A silent fan is a dead fan.

      Give me as many physical clues to the health of the machines, if you please.


      Those are only useful if you spend 24 hours a day with your computer. (Which is a bad thing, BTW.) I ought to be able to get diagnostic information readily from anywhere on the planet, and real diagnostic info, not clicks and whirrs.

    8. Re:I like loud computers by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      Correct. And a noisy fan is a failing fan or one that needs lubricants.

      (Note: Only lamers will respond to this making some stupid joke about 'lubricants.')

    9. Re:I like loud computers by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Or a seagate. :D Course they're fine these days, but several years back it was like setting off a chainsaw inside your machine."

      They're better than 'fine' these days ;-) I doubt you're going to find a 7200 RPM drive that runs more quietly than a Seagate Barracuda IV. Well except for the Barracuda V.

    10. Re:I like loud computers by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I can't hear the whirl of my HDDs over the fans, so how about that?

    11. Re:I like loud computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A ST225 with failing bearings sounded much like a 747 on takeoff/landing.
      Sadly HDD done seem to die in such spectacular ways these days.

  10. It doesn't make the computer quiter... by hashish · · Score: 1, Insightful

    the tiles deaden the sound reverberation, and makes the room quiter.

    1. Re:It doesn't make the computer quiter... by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      If you read the article, the author includes an email he received after posting it that notes that the perforance of the tiles is affected by how much air is behind them. He (the person who emailed the article's author) also suggests a free-standing sound dampening panel behind the machine to prevent sound reflections from coming back into the room.

      Personally, whem I move into a house (hopefully in the next 3-6 mos), I plan on sound-deadening the computer room. Since I want to be able to run wiring out-of-site, it might be attractive to put up a facade sound-deafining wall behind our desks to help dampen the machine noise. Most of the machine noise comes from the back, and absorbing it externally shopuld be rather effective, actually.

      It might not seem like it could be that effective, but I can attest to the power of sound absorbing materials. When I visited our company's Houston location, I had occasion to walk down a corridor that had cubicle panels that alternated between metal and fabric surfaces. The fabric surfaces naturally absorb more noise. The difference in ambient noise due to those panels was so noticable that it felt like the side of my head was getting drawn towards the fabric panels, looking for the missing noise. If I walked to quickly down the hall, the passing panels almost made a whooshing noise.

      This hints to me that the secret to a quieter computer room is good ceiling and wall coverings, and not necessarily the case itself.

      We shall see...

      --Joe
  11. Or by bih · · Score: 1

    Or you could use 9 fans running at quarter speed. But seriously, anyone that has had to run Cat5 cables through the ceiling doesn't want to even SEE a ceiling tile again, unless it's to punch a whole through it. My neck hurts just thinking about them.

    1. Re:Or by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      My neck hurts just thinking about them.

      My sinuses hurt just thinking about them. There's always a pile of crap dust up there that I'm allegic to as it rains down. It takes weeks for that stuff to dissipate afterwards.

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  12. I suppose...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone tested how much of an insulator these tiles are? I mean sure, it may cut down on sound but if it roasts that overclocked CPU whose loud fans used to cool (the reason you wanted noise reduction to begin with) -- it might not be such a good idea.

    1. Re:I suppose...but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone tested how much of an insulator these tiles are? I mean sure, it may cut down on sound but if it roasts that overclocked CPU whose loud fans used to cool (the reason you wanted noise reduction to begin with) -- it might not be such a good idea.

      Shut the fuck up and go sit in the corner. You fucking newbie!

  13. Quiet PC? by bethane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to have a annoying loud PC in my bedroom and it was very difficult to sleep with it on, so what I did was to place it in the basement and use it as a terminal server.
    For my bedroom I built myself a not-so-dumb terminal. I used a VIA processor based motherboard and run it diskless.
    All I did was fit a CD-ROM so I could boot a minial homebrew Linux based on knoppix and Morphix. Once booted up it logs in automatically and launches Rdesktop which allows me to login to my server in the basement over 802.11b.
    This works great and I sleep much better now!

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    1. Re:Quiet PC? by James_Duncan8181 · · Score: 1
      How is it for video playback and 3d? Enquiring minds want to know...

      I'm thinking of hooking up a slow P100 as a media access box, but I was wondering if it is possible to unload the video processing onto the remote X server.

      Many thanks in advance.

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    2. Re:Quiet PC? by rkz · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know, the server is Win2k3.

    3. Re:Quiet PC? by ultrapenguin · · Score: 1

      rdesktop doesn't support > 256 colors, has horrible keyboard handling (no winkey, rmb key, etc) and does not redirect remote sound or printers/file shares.

      Just thought I mention that for those who might want to repeat your experiment.

    4. Re:Quiet PC? by tomstdenis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So you bought an entire second PC because you can't get used to white noise?

      Faggot.

      I have a 12" desk fan pointing into my open AMD based computer running 24/7 and I sleep just fine at night. The trick is to sleep with your head at the OTHER END of the room. It isn't too loud and the white noise actually helps me sleep by masking out other house bound night noises.

      Tom

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    5. Re:Quiet PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot if you leave your PC case open.

      Ever hear of airflow?

    6. Re:Quiet PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I admire your skills. You are quite crafty. Teach me how.

    7. Re:Quiet PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see we have a fan.... sid 20721 is the place to be.

      you know who

    8. Re:Quiet PC? by Cynikal · · Score: 1

      "I used to have a annoying loud PC in my bedroom and it was very difficult to sleep with it on, so what I did was to place it in the basement and use it as a terminal server."

      wow i used to have the exact same thing, but what i did was put it in the basement and what i do is haul my fat lazy ass out of bed and walk to my computer room.. and i sleep pretty good too

    9. Re:Quiet PC? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Most 3d stuff won't even work over X remotely because it uses DRI. All you will see is a blue box.

      If you use VNC instead of remote X, then the video should work, but it will be choppy.

      640 X 480 X 3Bpp X framerate.

      It's about 1 meg per frame at 640X480X24bits, assuming no compression. That's 10fps. With compression, you might get 20-50 in theory, but VNC doesn't seem particularly good at keeping up with video.

      So video can work remotely, it just won't be very smooth over 100mbit, in my experience. I've worked more with using Windows as the VNC server (where I work we use it for remote administration and such) rather than Linux as the VNC server though.

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    10. Re:Quiet PC? by bethanie · · Score: 1

      This works great and I sleep much better now!

      Maybe you should consider moving the computer OUT of your bedroom. Or turn your computer off when you want to sleep. That's what a NON-techie would do, you see.

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    11. Re:Quiet PC? by LordSah · · Score: 1

      As manly as it is too sleep with a hoover humming away in your room all the time, you should try to go somewhere completely silent, and see if your ears ring. That's called tinitus, and it's permanent damage to your hearing.

    12. Re:Quiet PC? by jcast · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Which is what makes us techies so much better than y'all.

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    13. Re:Quiet PC? by jcast · · Score: 1

      Btw: turn my computer off? And wreck my glorious uptime? Are you kidding?

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  14. Indeed by bih · · Score: 1

    But I'm not sure what this has to do with ceiling tiles or quieter PCs.

  15. I cant prove it, but its true by RobertTaylor · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I wasn't able to measure the noise frequencies before or after the modifications, but suffice to say the case is also much less "annoying.""

    Reminds me of a Brass Eye quote when a popular UK DJ compared the genes of crabs to sex offenders:

    "There is no real evidence to prove this, but it is a fact"

  16. Patent Pending by schwep · · Score: 1

    Be careful to do this discretely if you plan to do it at all. Most likely "the use of non-metal based objects as a sound deadening device" is patented.

    But every little bit helps in the war on computer noise - especially at that price.

  17. ugh by deviator · · Score: 0

    another stupid article that doesn't deserve the attention from the /. crowd. "I know, I'll line the inside of my computer with _thermal insulation_ & block the air intake ports. I can't believe NO ONE has ever thought of this before!" idiot.

  18. multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You run any 3D stuff on your terminal? OpenGL games, etc?

    How about audio redirection?

    1. Re:multimedia by bethane · · Score: 2, Informative

      rdesktop does not support audio redirection so mplayer and xmms are reasonable altrenatives, I tried to run mp3s off a windows share using SAMBA but it didn't work too good, so I tried webdav and that seems to be a lot more stable.
      Video is not really viable but I usually burn to SVCD and watch on my DVD player.
      Howevar I don't play games.
      Just letting you know how I do it, this might not be a good idea for everyone despite this it's a great box for coding.

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    2. Re:multimedia by rkz · · Score: 1

      I have a similar setup I use for accessing my warez/porn/movies/mp3 downloading server. It works nicely I map a drive onto the local machine and use it to access the files from the living room and pump output into the television. ;-)

      Works out cheaper than a DVD player!

  19. Larger, slower fans by metatruk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Use larger, slower fans when possible. They move the same amount of air as smaller, faster fans, but without the noise.

    1. Re:Larger, slower fans by evilviper · · Score: 1

      That's not quite true. What it actually doesn't is lower the pitch of the whining noise it makes, meaking it sounds much quieter to most people (not to mention much more plesant), but I'd be willing to bet the decible rating would still be about the same.

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    2. Re:Larger, slower fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't higher frequency waves carry more energy?

    3. Re:Larger, slower fans by Mr+Z · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It also lowers the velocity of the air at any particular point, which reduces the wind noise around the non-moving components, such as fan guards, etc. I seem to recall wind resistance (and thus wind noise) goes up non-linearly, and so a linear reduction in air velocity with constant CFM (implying a corresponding linear increase in surface area) still ends up reducing noise. A big component of noise comes from turbulence as well, which is why moving fan guards away from fans helps, and why reducing RPMs is so important.

      The only way to retain CFM while reducing air velocity is to use more or larger fans at lower RPMs. In the end, you've gotta increase surface area.

      --Joe
    4. Re:Larger, slower fans by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      This is the way to go. There have been cases available for a while now where they use two 10cm fans in the place of three 8cm fans.

      One problem is that the case fans are only one source of noise. The optical drives and hard drives are another that need work. Heck, graphics cards are nasty and often those fans aren't easily swapped. Some people go to the length of using a Zalman heat pipe / sink made specifically for video cards. It eliminates the fan but also large enough that the next PCI slot is unusable.

    5. Re:Larger, slower fans by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      Thats the problem with trying to silence your computer. Alot of different componets for the sake of performance, are loud.

      I treated the entire computer as one. I got a KMV cable and stuck the entire thing into my closet. Now the only noice I hear when surfing is my CRT monitor.

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    6. Re:Larger, slower fans by evilviper · · Score: 1
      It also lowers the velocity of the air at any particular point, which reduces the wind noise around the non-moving components, such as fan guards, etc.

      First of all, it would have to be significant difference in size to make the most minor difference when it comes to wind noise on objects.

      For an experiment, take a noisy fan in one of your computers, pull it out of the computer, and start it up. Even with no fan guards nor anything else for the air to blow against, you will not hear a difference in the noise that fan makes. The ammount of noise comming from fast-moving air hitting other objects in nominal in all but very rare cases.
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    7. Re:Larger, slower fans by Alereon · · Score: 1

      Since quite often fans are pushed right up next to stamped metal fan guards, it can be QUITE significant. Fans also make very annoying noises when their airflow is restricted in either direction, especially on the intake side.

    8. Re:Larger, slower fans by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I bought my wife a 'Tornado' brand fan once. It was loud all by itself, but it was significantly louder when the fan guard was right in front of it. It actually made a "whirr" sound not unlike a Dustbuster or ShopVac.

      Outside the case it was just a slight whine.

      --Joe
    9. Re:Larger, slower fans by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Indeed, that does happen, but those cases are rather rare.

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  20. Why not simply ... by caitsith01 · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    1. Re:Why not simply ... by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      I have a Noise Control Silverado on my 1.2GHz Athlon. That cooler generates only 38Db in quiet mode, which I'm using, and its STILL more noisy than I would like. My machine is 1 meter away from me and when I'm not listening to music, I want silence. I want to fall asleep without noting how loud the computer sounds 2 meters away. Sure plenty of people are used to sleeping with their jet engine on, but I'm not and I don't intend to get used to it.

      The next step in my quest for quiet is adding sound absorbing material the the inside of the case. I've been considering vinyl matting used as walkway in buildings. It looks and weighs like rubber gasket material available in 1 foot wide rolls at the hardware store. It does have ridges on one side, but its much cheaper, about $17 for a square yard instead of $5 a square foot for the gasket rubber.

    2. Re:Why not simply ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because much of the noise comes from hard drives (hard to silence), graphics cards (can't replace the fans without breaking off the previous one, voiding the warranty), cd/dvd drives (nothing can be done to silence these). I'd actually say that insulating your case is the best move you can make.

  21. Is that like the Rhode Island size standard? by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 4, Funny
    "quiet a computer by several dBA."

    I've known some loud DBAs, but I didn't realize they had been organized into a loudness-measuring system.

  22. Safety question? by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Are those foam panels fireproof (or at least resistant)? If they're used in office ceilings, I'd guess so, but I'd want more than my guess before putting close to stuff that gets hot.

    And here, laugh, it's relevant

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    1. Re:Safety question? by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, one of the Melamine collectors handbooks, (believe it or not, there are people who run around trying to collect complete sets of brightly colored plastic dinnerware from the 50s) claims that the makers of Melmac had the Dod use Melamine dinnerwar. in above-ground nuclear weapons tests. Evidently the DoD was interested in the survivability of everyday materials and the producers of Melmac got free advertising on how indestrcuctable their product was.

    2. Re:Safety question? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      It comes from ALF's planet Melmac? Zowie! But seriously, I remember that stuff. Surviving nuclear weapons tests sounds a lot safer than my guess. And there's a lot of other stuff in a PC case that will burn.

      Anyone doing a personal Halon case mod?

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    3. Re:Safety question? by Alereon · · Score: 1

      It's a computer. If any part of it gets hot enough that YOU wouldn't want to touch it, then you need to fix the cooling. It's not like your box is filled with wires and chips that are glowing red-hot.

    4. Re:Safety question? by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      It's not like your box is filled with wires and chips that are glowing red-hot.

      Not normally, but if my Athlon or power-supply suffered a melt-down, I'd prefer to replace the chip/PS rather than the apartment.

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    5. Re:Safety question? by Alereon · · Score: 1

      A "melt-down" of an Athlon, in a worst case scenario, would result in a small amount of smoke. There would be no fire and no sparks. If your power-supply blows AND starts shooting flames far enough to hit your case side panel, I think that any flammable material inside the computer is the least of your concerns.

  23. Quiet PC? -- A suggestion by unixwin · · Score: 1

    To make your PC, TV, wife/gf/bf/husband, dog, child (in whatever order) quieter use these....
    Howard Leight earplugs :) NRR= 33 and an 40 db average attenuation.
    These are quiet enough to make you want to talk to yourself :)

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  24. My DELL Optiplex GX260 is dead quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My DELL Optiplex GX260 is dead quiet. You can't even tell that it is on. They did an excellent job making it quiet.

    My previous DELL was a noisy s.o.b.

    My home computer (AMD 2200XP and Antec case like the one in the article) is pretty quiet, after i down-voltaged all the fans, replaced both the CPU and northbridge fans with big copper heatsinks, underclocked the cpu to minimum, seagate baracudda drive, but it still makes noise.

    In comparison, this DELL is dead silent. I can not tell that the machine is on, even a few inches away, while I am at the office. It only makes noise if I use the DVD/CDROM drive.

    -mark

    1. Re:My DELL Optiplex GX260 is dead quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can second this experience. We just got 205 new GX260's (P4 2.4GHz, 256MB RAM, GigE, CD-RW/DVD combo) and they are as close to silent as I've seen any computer in the last 2 years.

  25. Since he throws the terminologies around. by Mononoke · · Score: 3, Informative
    A 6dBa difference (decibels, A weighted) is perceived as a doubling (or halving, in this instance) of loudness. His measurements seem to average in that area.

    Most of what he did was close off areas where sound could escape. However, as has already been mentioned, those same areas would have allowed fresh air to enter. I'd rather have the noise than let the smoke out.

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    1. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3dB is double... sorry to be picky

    2. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by ChadN · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, while a 6 dB change is a doubling or halving of signal power, it takes about 10 dB to hear a doubling of "loudness" (a measure of perception, ie. subjective). This is also a non-linear curve (so 10 dB change in a quiet sound will sound like more than a 10 dB change in a loud sound, if I remember correctly; wish I had my acoustics book with me.).

      So, basically, while 6 dB change is significant, it is not nearly as good as a 10 dB change, in terms of perceived loudness.

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    3. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by sweede · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Both of you are wrong

      read this

      http://www.audio-logic.com/html/power.html

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    4. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by ChadN · · Score: 1

      And what exactly does that link have to say about human perception of loudness? It is about speaker efficiency, which is NOT what we were discussing. We are talking a subjective measure of loudness.

      "loudness" in acoustical psychophysics is (grossly) defined like this:

      Say I have the ability to measure the sound pressure intensity coming to your ears. ie. the "sound pressure level", which I can express with decibels. I play one tone and you listen to it. I then ask you to adjust the tone to be half as "loud". You do this. Thus, I have a relation between what you perceive is half as "loud", and what the sound pressure level is for that "loudness".

      The "loudness" is purely subjective and perceptual. Different people will report different sound pressures as being half as loud, for the same starting value. But, averaged over lots of people, we get a representative curve.

      The point I made is that although 6 dB represents a drop in the power level by half (or a halving of the intensity of the measured signal by a sound pressure meter), most people would require about a 10 dB reduction in intensity to report a halving of "loudness". ie. The slope of the curve is different. In fact, it is not non-linear, but most reference books on acoustics will have a curve showing perceived loudness to measured dB, for a standardized tone.

      There is an adjusted scale, that compensates for this, that is called the "Sones" scale. So a halving of the value on the Sones scale, would be a halving of the loudness (for the "typical" person)

      Sadly, things are even more complex than this, as frequency content also changes percevied loudness.

      And, to back all this up, here is a usefull link I googled:


      http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound /l oud.html#c2

      And this one on sones:

      http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound /p hon.html#c2

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    5. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by sweede · · Score: 1

      From my URL above.
      "Doubling the amplifier power only increases the spl by 3db, a small but clearly audible level increase. Since most people perceive a doubling of volume to be around a 10db increase in spl, amplifier power would need to be increased 10 times! "

      you replied with the following,
      "The point I made is that although 6 dB represents a drop in the power level by half"

      Which is wrong, doubling the energy in the source equates to a 3db increase in sound, which is just above noticable levels.

      having spent a good 8-9 years in the car audio world, i can also say that to quiet a case, you dont need to close up vents or anything but to deaden panels (i.e. dynamat) and keep them from transmitting the sounds.

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    6. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by ChadN · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I was being loose (and incorrect) with terms, since I originally only meant only to illustrate that doubling of sound intensity does not imply doubling of loudness, without getting too technical.

      So, when talking in terms of SPL (or pressure level measurements), a 6 dB change represents a doubling or halving. (Note that the original poster mentioned 6 dBA, and I assumed that they were thinking in terms of the pressure level scale). However, I discussed power levels, and should have said 3 dB.

      In terms of sound "intensity", or "energy", or "power", these all essentially refer to types of squared units (with "energy" being the most fundamental). And thus, a 3 dB change is a doubling or halving, on this scale.

      Thus, to summarize, when talking about audio energy (squared pressure levels), 3 dB is doubling of energy, and 10 dB is doubling of "loudness".

      However, when talking about audio pressure levels (ie. from a simple sound level meter), 6 dB is a doubling of pressure, and 20 dB would then be a doubling of "loudness".

      Note that by these definitions, the sentence you quoted is also incorrect. It talked about doubling of power (ie. a 3 dB increase in power) effecting a 3 dB change in SPL, which is NOT a doubling of SPL (and is not a 'clearly audible increase'). Just goes to show how inconsistent these numbers can be when mixing terms. (I used to work more with sound measurement and recording, where 6 dB is a more commonly used value, as opposed to the 3 dB that is common with sound generation and electronics)

      Amazingly, the very next Slashdot story is about audio sound, and the linked article has this paragraph in it:

      "Because the decibel scale is logarithmic, with every 10 dB increase equivalent to a doubling of perceived sound (otherwise known as noise), dB drag racing enthusiasts create some seriously loud tones. (Another rule of thumb: All else being equal, every three dB of increased sound from a typical dB drag racing system requires a doubling of amplifier power.)"

      Here the terms are very loosely used, talking about measured "sound" and "noise". The gist is what is important.

      Finally, if you've read this far, I'll say that a response like "You're wrong. Read this.", with a link to a long article with only one or two sentences relevant to the point you are disputing (and without any information on what point you are disputing), is poor critique. You could have just said "You mean 3 dB, not 6 dB.", and then quoted from the article. And we could all go home happy. Just something to consider.

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    7. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by sweede · · Score: 1

      "I'll say that a response like "You're wrong. Read this.", with a link to a long article with only one or two sentences relevant to the point you are disputing (and without any information on what point you are disputing), is poor critique. "

      I searched around for a few minutes and that was the most relevent link i could find :\

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    8. Re:Since he throws the terminologies around. by ChadN · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I'm saying that I scanned through the article twice, and didn't see the sentence you pointed out, and in particular, I didn't know you took issue (mainly) with the 6 dB figure as the "doubling" value. So, a link itself isn't always very helpful. One needs to supply some context.

      But, anyway, I do thank you for pointing out my error. I'm happy to be a bit more clear on the specifics, in case I discuss the issue again.

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  26. here's the article from google's cache by CowBovNeal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Melamine Foam Sound Proofing for the Computer Case

    If you have a noisy computer you know how annoying it can be after just a few minutes. I usually spend my time on the computer with a pair of headphones on just so I can escape the noise of the three or four cooling fans rattling around inside my computers' case.

    If I had a big enough desk I would have kicked the case to the back and pilled on a few errant sweaters to deaden the sound, but since I don't, a good pair of headphones are the next best thing.

    Obviously this isn't really a solution to the problem of computer noise, so I began looking into ways of quieting the computer. In a perfect world, my computer would be absolutely silent. Since we are often forced to deal with reality, the best we can hope for is a very low noise signature.

    To accomplish the task of quieting down my computer there are basically three options. The first is to replace all the components with lower-end versions that don't need active cooling, or require as much of it. This isn't going to happen anytime soon, and so the next best thing would be to replace all my expensive cooling hardware with other gear, either designed to be much quieter and with the same level of performance, or which is silent and performs pretty poorly in comparison. This is pretty easy to do, and could take away much of the noise my computer creates, but I wanted to try something else first.

    Finally, the last option is to insulate the case against noise. Given the small amount of space a computer case offers users to play around with, this is the most challenging option. If you do your research and pick the right materials it's an easy way to knock several decibels off the amount of noise a computer creates.

    How to Make a Computer Quieter?

    After hunting around for a manufacturer which offered some kind of sound proofing product for computers the only one I could find was Akasa's PaxMate. Unfortunately none of the retailers around here carry this product so I can't tell you how well it works yet. I stumbled upon a few Japanese companies which made various type of sound absorbing materials specifically for the computer, but again, there was no where to buy them.

    As the sound eminating from my Antex SX1030B grew more and more irritating I decided to forgo the store bought stuff and see what the world of industrial sound absorbing materials could offer.

    My only two criteria for sound proofing the Antec case were that the sound absorbing material would have to be less than 3/4" thick, and not too expensive. With constraints like that, more than half of the commercially available sound absorbing foams and pads were out of the question. Many of them were hundreds of dollars a sheet, and 3"-6" thick.

    Industrial Melamine foam for a quieter computer?

    (photo)A close up shot of the Melamine Foam. Measuring 8.5mm thick, this soft foam is coated on each side with a stiff fiberglass fleece which resists bending. The soft foam can be compressed, and will spring back to shape.
    Some 'Melamine Foam Sound Absorbing Ceiling Tiles' I stumbled upon caught my eye because it had a listed NRC value of 0.95, (where 1.0 is the most sound absorbing you can get), was just 1/2" thick, and was reasonably priced for a good-sized sheet (see blue box at right for where to get this material). The trade name of this product is reportedly 'Whiteline', and it's made by Illbruck GmbH.

    NRC stands for Noise Reduction Coefficient, and it is a number which ranges from 0.01 to 1.0, representing the average amount of sound absorbed by a material. Materials are tested in a sound lab at 200Hz, 500Hz, 1000Hz, and 2000Hz for their sound absorbing properties, and the average of all those results is the NRC number. Different materials absorb different frequencies of sounds differently, so the NRC number offers a common way to draw comparisons.

    In any case, the Melamine Foam appeared to be a good sound absorber, and didn't seem to have too much of a thermal insulati

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  27. Home Depot technology by worst_name_ever · · Score: 2, Funny

    Foam panels are just the beginning. Imagine how quiet his machine will be after he fills every space and crevice inside with expanding foam!

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  28. No inflow = no outflow = excitement? by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "A small section was also placed between the bezel and the front of the case in an effort to seal up the front intake holes which I don't use, and prevent sound from escaping."

    He might not be using those holes, but the air flowing into them is what replaces the air leaving through that noisy power supply fan. If he's making the fans work against higher resistance than they are designed to overcome, they will overheat, his computer will overheat, and he may be able to test the fire rating of those ceiling tiles he stuffed into the case.

    I bet he's the kind of guy who would take the air filter out of his car to "improve performance".

    1. Re:No inflow = no outflow = excitement? by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 1

      I bet he's the kind of guy who would take the air filter out of his car to "improve performance".

      And don't forget to add the mega-loud beer-keg sized chrome muffler with blinking LED lights. That's good for at least another 50 horsepower. ;-)

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  29. Yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would you know it was noisy if you have dampened the machine to the point of silence?

  30. and here's the google's cache by CowBovNeal · · Score: 0, Redundant
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  31. Price v. Dynamat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    As the legal representatives of the Dynamat Corp, we will be filing a lawsuit against both the submitter of the story and against slashdot for misrepresenting the efficacy of our product versus cheap alternatives such as this.

    The Dynamat Corporation

    PS - Screw you.

  32. http://www.silentpcreview.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    IMO the best site for any information on running quiet and fast.

  33. there's a better and yet cheaper way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I let mine fill up with dust, and I can't even hear it.

  34. Ahh, but you see... by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
    After the computer has been rendered silent, the sound card will play all those classic movie computer sounds to let you know it's alright: clattering relays, doot-doot-deep telemetery, chugga-chugga card punches, a little R2, etc...

    A computer that sounds like is supposed to! And what right-thinking geek could resist that? :^P

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    1. Re:Ahh, but you see... by Mr+Z · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah yess... I remember when "Microsoft Plus" came out for Windows 95 (and people around where I was still called it the "Plus Pack"). My roommate installed one of the "high tech" themes (SciFi or Robots or whatever it was called).

      I've never really truly recovered. It's amazing how you largely don't notice the sound effects when you trigger them yourself. It's similarly amazing how maddening they can be when the guy next to you keeps triggering "Beep... snap... gloop... clink! Tronggggg... gloop.... shshshshshshshsh... Bleep!" (Adding about 2000mg daily intake of caffeine doesn't help either.)

      To get "back at" him, I wired up a cron job on one of the Linux machines there in the basement to play every .MOD file I had handy at a time I knew I'd be in class and he'd be computing. :-) He tore out and hid the speaker from that computer, at which point I found an old Kraco car stereo speaker and magnetically mounted it within my case and connected it electrically with two unused jumpers and some ghetto engineering.

      I miss college.

      Makes me want to electrify my door knob again like I did in my dorm room freshman year...

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    2. Re:Ahh, but you see... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "I've never really truly recovered. It's amazing how you largely don't notice the sound effects when you trigger them yourself. It's similarly amazing how maddening they can be when the guy next to you keeps triggering "Beep... snap... gloop... clink! Tronggggg... gloop.... shshshshshshshsh... Bleep!""

      Absolutely ... this is why, whenver I set up a new laptop for someone at my company, I always disable all sound effects. The user's never gonna notice, but I have been sleeping on the train and gotten woken up by someone's stupid 'windows starting up' chimes far too many times.

    3. Re:Ahh, but you see... by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      ... which reminds me, I need to disable the startup sound on my most recent IT-issued laptop.

      I always get disoriented when I fire up IE instead of Moz, because IE adds all those stupid click sounds when you click on links.

    4. Re:Ahh, but you see... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "I always get disoriented when I fire up IE instead of Moz, because IE adds all those stupid click sounds when you click on links."

      Same here, except my disorientation from IE comes from the fact that I run mozilla at work with an IE skin (go to themes.mozdev.org to get it) so that I don't raise the eyebrows of all the people walking by. When I actually use IE on some other machine, I try to open a new tab and then wonder 'wtf?' and after that I remember that I'm using real IE. Since my work PC does not have speakers, I don't worry about any of the windows sound effects.

  35. Dynamat by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've personally used Dynamat for my bedroom system, right next to my bed (Used it for music,movies) and it really made it a lot quieter and well worth the money.

    The -1 hour increase in time it takes to get asleep was worth its weight in gold :)

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    1. Re:Dynamat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, you're right, these guys would all better served by playing around with a small cork bulletin board.

      Heh, not our problem.

    2. Re:Dynamat by jcknox · · Score: 1

      The one complaint I always had about Dynamat was expense. I finally found a solution though:

      Go to an industrial materials supplier (McMaster-Carr was the one I used). Search for "mastic." Specifically, polymeric mastic was what I used. It is very similar to Dynamat -- dense, vibration absorbing, self-adhesive, and temp-resistant. Best of all, you can get big sheets (32"x54") for 15 or 20 dollars.This price is way cheaper than dynamat.

      I bought some to reduce the noise inside my car, but ended up with some leftover. I used it on the inside of my PC case with pretty good results. YMMV, of course.

  36. Holy Crap!!! Great White Fire!!!! by EDA+Wizard · · Score: 2, Funny

    This guy better watch out, or just like the greatest tragedy of early 90's glam rock, his computer case is going to go up in smoke.

    Now that I think about it. Maybe he should get a window case, some Great White action figures, and he can have himself a little recreation right there next to his Pentium.

  37. Why not active noise cancellation? by mikeophile · · Score: 1
    I don't know if anyone is doing this, but active noise redcution seems perfect for this application.

    Rather than try to absorb the sound a computer makes, active cancellation uses a speaker or transducer to produce a counter-wave of sound that can be very effective at reducing noise.

    The technique works best with noise that has a regular pattern, such as computer fans.

    It's too obvious for no one to have done it yet, but I'm just too lazy right now to search for it. :)

    1. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by plone · · Score: 2, Informative

      An often asked question is if active noise cancellation can be used for to minimize PC acoustic noise emissions. The answer is no. Active noise cancellation relies on ones position in relation to the noise source, and hence will an implemention of it for PCs have to force one to sit in the same position all the time for to benefit of it.

    2. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny
      an implemention of it for PCs have to force one to sit in the same position all the time

      You mean like sitting in front of the screen?

    3. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or headphones

    4. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep up your plagiarism of my site, see where it gets you friend, http://www.silent.se/noise.html

    5. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with noise, is the heat generated by electronic and mechanical components of IT equipment also an unintentional and unwanted side-effect. The more skillful we become in designing electronic circuits and mechanical components, the less heat will also be generated. Today, however, as still most of the PC industry, magazines and users primarily are competing, writing and talking about having the fastest possible components, the trend is not clear towards IT equipment components running cooler.

    6. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an implemention of it for PCs have to force one to sit in the same position all the time

      You mean like sitting in front of the screen?


      Yes, just like in A Clockwork Orange. Very comfortable.

    7. Re:Why not active noise cancellation? by JosiKlaki · · Score: 1

      Wouldnt an active noise cancellation system need a computer to control it? And that computer would need another computer for its noise cancellation system, and that computer would need yet another computer for its noise cancellation system, etc.

      I imagine a morbidly quiet room, filled to the brim with noise-cancelling systems...

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  38. High heat + low tech = ... by Atario · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...scornful Slashdot readers.

    Now, if you want a positive repsonse, how 'bout coming up with a sound-canceling system inside the case? Then you'd have high tech and low heat.

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    1. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A low-tech solution that works *better* in most cases (no pun intended) is to simply put some sound absorbant material on the wall behind the case. The reason is that most of the sound that escapes from a case does it through the rear, especially through the rear fans, and is reflected off the wall behind it.

      And yes, to those who wondered elsewhere in the thread whether this would increase the temperature, it will. By quite a bit. Yes, air is an insulator, but not THAT good, or else a heat sink would be pointless. The surface area of a heatsink is what makes it work, and the metal inside of your case also works as a heatsink that helps to keep the air inside the case cooler.
      By using acoustic foam inside a case, it's not uncommon for the temperature to rise 5-10C.

      Finally, a good high-tech solution would not be to cancel the noise, but to create quiet components. It's impossible to cancel all noise actively unless you know the exact listening position, so this just won't work.

      Regards,
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    2. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 0

      Now, if you want a positive repsonse, how 'bout coming up with a sound-canceling system inside the case? Then you'd have high tech and low heat.

      What, add an amount of anti-sound equivalent to the racket the PC is making?

    3. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by paraleet · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, a friend of mine's father designed a device that helps cancel noise in jumbo jets. Conceptually it's very simple. Leveraging the physics of wave interference, an electronic device with an ultrasensitive microphone and a high fidelity speaker generates sound waves of the exact opposite signature as the existing sound waves. These "negative" waves interfere with the existing waves and act to cancel them out. Obviously it would be impossible to cancel _all_ sound with this sort of device, but theoretically this could lower the overall noise in a confined area significantly. I have no idea how well this works. Perhaps someone else has heard of these devices. This technology is similar to new high tech inertial dampeners used for earthquake protecting large buildings. By swinging a massive pendulum inside the building at the opposite waveform as the earthquake, a great deal of force is cancelled out.

      Here's a great way to fuck with people w/ a device like this: use a really really good omni mic and a high output hifi speaker (few hundred watts), mount the rig in the back of a hatchback, turn it up all the way (cancel maximum sound) and drive down a crowded street at low speed with the back open. Watch in gleeful delight as everyone thinks they are going deaf.

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    4. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      There are several manufacturers making noise-cancelling headphones exploiting this principle, and you can often get them quite cheaply at electronics shops, Or if you want to pay more for something about as good, I think Bose make them too.

    5. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by l810c · · Score: 1

      Bose, Sony and others make Noise Cancelling headphones. I bought a pair of Sony's when I traveled a lot a couple of years ago. They definately cut down the noise, but got kind of uncomfortable on long trips.

    6. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by Golias · · Score: 1
      I don't know if you are trolling, or have simply been in a cave for the last 10 years, but I'll explain it to you anyway. Here is how electronic sound cancellation works:

      Sound is a wave of pressure variations in the air. If you play an identical sound wave which is exactly one-half of a wave-length off from the original wave, they cancel one another out, and result in constant pressure. Illustrating with ASCII graphics (hopefully the lameness filter will allow this...)

      -^-v-^-v would be the original wave,
      -v-^-v-^ would be the cancellation wave, and therefore
      ------ would be the result.

      You can buy headphones that do this from several manufacturers, and if you are riding on a jet or in a noisy room they work fantastically well at shutting out the din. Even noise that you barely notice, like the air rushing from your furnace/AC vent in your house can be cancelled by this technology, creating an almost eerie quiet, apart from the sounds which are not sustained noise. If you live near an Apple Store, they usually have at least one set of headphones like this on display by their iPods, otherwise just go to any "yuppie" stereo store and they probably have a floor model to show off to you.

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    7. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      get some noise cancelling headphones then. It may not be as convenient as putting something in a PC case, but they are remarkably effective.

    8. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you play an identical sound wave which is exactly one-half of a wave-length off from the original wave, they cancel one another out, and result in constant pressure"

      I thought it was an inverted sound wave. That's what your example looks like to me, anyway.

    9. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Finally, a good high-tech solution would not be to cancel the noise, but to create quiet components."

      Exactly. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

      I have implemented this by tossing away the AMD athlon factory heatsink with is relatively noisy and replacing it with an Alpha PAL 8045 which is one of the best heatsinks out there. (The Thermalright SLK-800 comes to mind as well.) Use Artic Silver 3 or Ceramique thermal compound and then put a big ol' 80 mm silent fan on top (Panaflo Low or Vantec Stealth 80 mm) and presto! Much of the case noise is gone and still with decent CPU temps.

      Don't replace your PSU's fan with a low noise one though because PSUs were specifically designed to work with the fans they came with. Instead, you could get a silent PSU. I am seriously looking a Nexus NX-3000 silent PSU as well as one of the Zalman ones. (FYI: Zalman is a Korean company that specialises in low-noise components. You can get silent GeForce4 coolers from them.)

      For hard drives, look into Seagate's Barracuda IV (IDE) and V (ASTA) series - they are the quietest 'modern high-end consumer' drives on the market right now.

      With this setup, you can actually avoid generating the noise in the first place. That way, noise dampening material will not be necessary.

      Anyway, if you're in Canada and you're looking to get some of this gear, check out QuietPC (which also has US, British, Kiwi and Irish dealers) as well as Bigfoot Computers. I am a satsified customer of both of these dealers.

    10. Re:High heat + low tech = ... by Golias · · Score: 1
      I thought it was an inverted sound wave.

      Yes, and inverted wave is a more correct way to describe it, because not all sounds are nice and symmetrical. Thank you for the clarification, AC.

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  39. Why waste $3.00.. by Enraged_jawa · · Score: 5, Funny

    When you can get a can of Expanding Foam for $2.79 at Home Depot. Just stick the nozzle into the fan grille opening and fill 'er up till foam comes out the floppy drive slot and all 8 corners. It will get real quiet and work much better than the tiles.

    1. Re:Why waste $3.00.. by Graff · · Score: 3, Funny
      you can get a can of Expanding Foam for $2.79 at Home Depot. Just stick the nozzle into the fan grille opening and fill 'er up till foam comes out the floppy drive slot and all 8 corners.

      You mean like this guy did?
    2. Re:Why waste $3.00.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but what about the fan(s)?

    3. Re:Why waste $3.00.. by Enraged_jawa · · Score: 1

      Yeah but what about the fan(s)?

      Well, once the guy in the article covered the "unused fan openings" (aka air-inlets ) the article was wide open for ridicule.. Fans exist to displace hot air in a pc with cool air from the outside, if you block the inlets for the entry of the cool air, the fans will only circulate the air inside the pc, which will continue to get hotter as the components give off heat.

    4. Re:Why waste $3.00.. by f0rt0r · · Score: 1

      I have got to say, that is one of the most convincing proofs that some people have too much time on their hands. What is worse is that I took the time to read it.

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  40. Posts/Screws/Clips by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
    I usually spend my time on the computer with a pair of headphones on just so I can escape the noise of the three or four cooling fans rattling around inside my computers' case.

    Those holes in the fan chassis are for the screws that came with it, unless you have a nice case with existing clips for simple mounting of the fans. Just leaving the fans hanging by the power cables to "rattle around" is not a good idea.

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  41. What are you smoking? by chriso11 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Standardized /. response:

    Your post was found to:
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    ___ Bash OS applications
    ___ Support the activites of MPAA/RIAA
    ___ Show lack of technical knowledge
    _X_ Post without RTFA
    ___ Accept SPAM as a valid marketing technique
    ___ Incorrect Anime/ST/Star Wars/Other Sci Fi reference

    Comments:
    The author actually DID evaluate the affect of temperature. A 2degree rise in temperature for a 75% reduction in noise is pretty good. Unless you can do better for cheaper...

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    1. Re:What are you smoking? by deviator · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, and he didn't say anything about how long he ran it in that configuration. These foam tiles have an INSULATING effect--anything that insulates against noise also holds in heat. Common sense says to check the temperature of the case a few hours after it has been left on, while running a make -j. Blocking the front fan ports with insulation would not lead to a computer I can trust to not melt down, in my opinion.

    2. Re:What are you smoking? by mojowantshappy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Insulation foam.

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    3. Re:What are you smoking? by RedWizzard · · Score: 1
      Yes, and he didn't say anything about how long he ran it in that configuration.
      The article went up Apr 24, and while it's been updated to correct the NRC values there is no mention of problems with heat. It seems reasonably safe to assume that the machine has been running without trouble since then - 10 weeks.
    4. Re:What are you smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ive seen people complain to the store about their PC getting more noisy after this modification so its obvious not as incredible as the reviewer here wanto make us belive.

      But a cheap noisekiller that take care of all the CPUs frequencies I'd love to check out, I've "wrapped" them in twice with some Magic Fleece and i can only hear them seek, barely. Oh and before you scold me, their watercooled, around 37-40c.

      two radiators with 12cm fans outside the case cools everything. Their inaudible since I chose the slowest pabst fans and a couple of 100 ohm resistor. Expensive but it looks nice and is really easy to set up.

    5. Re:What are you smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oops, sorry thats not english so you will most likely be ignored for a very important post. sorry man, i feel your pain...

    6. Re:What are you smoking? by deviator · · Score: 1

      Do you guys actually believe everything you read on the web just because it's in article form? Obstructing airflow: Not the best way to quiet down your computer. Buying quieter fans with better bearings & larger surface area: much better way. I fix computers for a living - I would never, ever do a modification like this on a production system unless it was approved by the manufacturer. I don't want to have to deal with the potential cleanup.

  42. Case Mod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope to hell these were modular office panels, otherwise not a true "case mod"

  43. Silent Power Supply by meehawl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Soundproofing your case produces results, but the biggest bang for the buck is definitely replacing the PSU.

    I built a TV PC and I was annoyed by the hovercraft-like PSU, so I invested in a silent PSU. There are lots of custom quiet PSUs recommended here, but you pay for the styling and mods.

    For me, the most economical approach was to pay $50 for a standard Fortron/Sparkle PSU with inside-case 120mm fan intake. There's a review of it at Tom's.

    After the PSU replacement and replacement of the PC case, the PSU is literally inaudible. The loudest ambient noise in the apartment now comes from the fridge compressor in the kitchen one room over.

    It's a minimal system though, an underclocked XP2400, a single hard drive. If and when I put in some more drives, I may line the case with soundproofing...

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    1. Re:Silent Power Supply by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Ahhhrrrrggg. Its too late for me. You can read more here at my blog. I had to replace my power supply just a month ago. I paid $75 with shipping and tax for a Zalman ZM300A-APF which is high on the list you linked to. There's nothing custom about it, unless you mean how its fan speed is thermo-controlled. At least its silent relative to my Noise Control Silverado. I could have paid half of what I did...

  44. Statistically insignificant by SunPin · · Score: 1

    I can't believe this article got attention. Home depot jobs are cool only if they result in something useful. The numbers posted are worthless. If he had to conclude that it was "less" annoying, then nothing happened except some adequate denial to justify all the work.

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  45. bitumen mats by Rxke · · Score: 3, Informative

    not the same thing, but related: A lot of cheap computerboxes resonate, due to the spinning of the drives, fans, cd/dvd drives. An inexpensive solution is to go to your local upmarket hifi store, where they sell bitumen mats, used to deaden-stiffen the walls of speaker cabinets. These things are thin but heavy, and reduce the 'rattling' a lot by increasing the mass of the walls. Just apply a (small) patch to the insides of the case et voila Or you could try a cartuner shop, same material is used to dampen resonance soundproblems in cars

  46. Seagate Barracudas by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Informative

    I second that - can't say enough good things about them. SO quiet. I replaced the one that came with my early-model mac g4 (a Maxtor (Western Digital's are equally noisy, BTW)) with a Seagate Barracuda I picked up from www.endpcnoise.com, and now the whole machine is maybe a third as loud. It's like a dream - the only sound I can hear is that of the power supply fan. I also replaced the case fan with one that was (unfortunately smaller) much quieter. So now, if I can find a quiet power supply that is guaranteed to work with my machine, I'm golden.

    In my last place, I had the thing in a closet, which really quieted it down. I was nervous about the heat, but nothing bad happened at all. I had to keep it quiet so I could do recording. Now I just have the mic in a different room. Much nicer.

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    1. Re:Seagate Barracudas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      proSilence FANLESS 350W PSU

      Too bad its much more expensive than the usual garbage. The PSUs dont get better, they just overclock the fans it seems. My enermax reboots the PC if I reconnect a PS2 keyboard and is noisy as HELL even its no warmer then 40c in there.

      Theres PSUs that activate the fan only if temperature exceeds 45c. Stably built quality powertransistors? Wheres the PSU noise reviews.

    2. Re:Seagate Barracudas by jcsehak · · Score: 1

      proSilence FANLESS 350W PSU

      How do I know that'll work with my Mac though? The power supply in there (made by Apple) say max continuous output 237 watts. Would 350 fry the mobo?

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    3. Re:Seagate Barracudas by DMDx86 · · Score: 1

      Watts is voltage times current (amps)

      Voltage is always constant (well, constant enough for this explanation), whereas your components draw varying amounts of current. It will not draw more than it needs (unless you have a short circuit)

      So there is nothing wrong with a powersupply higher than the power draw of your PC.

    4. Re:Seagate Barracudas by jcsehak · · Score: 1

      So do different power supplys have different voltages? Or are they all interchangeable? The way I understand it, if there's too little voltage, it won't run at all, and if there's too much, it'll cause some damage. Is that accurate?

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    5. Re:Seagate Barracudas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer in the closet works well.

    6. Re:Seagate Barracudas by RALE007 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Power supplies are supposed to provide a certain amount of voltage for different wires, some +/- 12v, +/- 5v, etc. depending on what the specific wire is for. Voltage may vary slightly within tolerable levels, but in theory they are all supposed to supply the same amount of voltage on each wire, making a power supply fit the "ATX", "AT", or whatever the form factor (standard) the suppy is supposed to be. It's been a while since I read up on power supplies and their wiring, voltage, connectors etc. so I apologize for any mistakes in my description. As far as the currently dominate ATX form factor goes, if a a power supply is sending voltage on a wire that is out of tolerable levels (for instance the voltage is +- 9, or +- 15 on a wire that's supposed to be +-12) the ATX form factor motherboard will not draw power from the supply, and your computer will not turn on when you push the "on" button, clap your clapper, plug it in, or whatever. (Having your box hooked up to a clapper would be hell on the filesystem eh? heh). The way the ATX form factor does this (someone more certain correct me if I'm wrong), is the *first* thing an ATX board does when it attempts to run through the POST (power on self test) is check to see if all the voltages on the wires from the power supply are within tolerable levels. If not, it won't draw current from them and your computer won't start. Think of it as a computers own self preservation instict / survival mechanism. It's a stretch of my memory but I'm pretty sure it's P13 (pin 13) on an ATX connector that's for the "power good" test. Or maybe that's the power on wire... hm... I'll have to look that up to refresh my memory...

      Perhaps it's been said before but one shouldn't confuse voltage, amps, ohms, and watts for meaning the same thing. A explanation of what each means and how they are related is described at http://www.howstuffworks.com/question501.htm

      If your interested I would highly recommend reading up on the ATX form factor. You may want to google for "ATX" "POST" "Power Good" "Pin Out" etc.

      So to answer your question; No, power supplies of a specific form factor do not run different voltages (unless they are faulty and at which point the motherboard would refuse power from the offending supply).

      Now, different power supplies do have varying amounts of Watts produced. Perhaps this what you were initially asking. To answer in a general manner (stretching my memory again), the higher the watts a power supply can produce, the more devices within the computer it can power. If you have a 400W power supply, and all your devices used 280W, your power supply would provide 280W of power. Think of the watts of a power supply as a maximum capability. A good analogy would be "A Ferrari *can* travel at 200 mph, but that does not mean it is *always* traveling at 200 mph". Same thing with power supplies (for the sake of simplicity and my own limited "expertise").

      Hope that helps. When in doubt www.google.com

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    7. Re:Seagate Barracudas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Computer in the closet works well.

      But I can't fit the computer in the closet with the skeleton :(

    8. Re:Seagate Barracudas by RALE007 · · Score: 2, Informative
      And of course to reply to my own post, a much better article than my half assed attempt at explaining/remembering:

      http://computer.howstuffworks.com//power-supply.ht m

      It explains how a power supply works much better than I did. This is the result of my own research since my memories were foggy when I attempted to describe it to you. You may also want to refer to this website for additional questions you may ever want answered. It has a plethora of information on just about anything. Be cautious visiting, once you enter it may be hard to pull yourself back out.

      Enjoy!

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    9. Re:Seagate Barracudas by LordSah · · Score: 1

      If you're looking for quiet power supplies, I'd recommend you check out www.siliconacoustics.com. I bought a quiet Zalman PSU from them a long time ago (and it was very quiet). Now they sell a completely fanless 350 Watt PSU.

  47. Convection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Has anybody (other then Apple) been able to use convection for cooling lately? My friend has a G4 Cube, and the only thing you can hear is the clicking of an already quiet Segate Barracuda IV. I believed it managed to suck air in from the bottom to the top via some difference of temperature in the heat sink?

    I always envied that computer for it's silence. I don't like to use headphones, so a silent computer has always been a good thing.

  48. Spending money by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 2, Funny

    These case moding fools will find a use for any old scrap of crap lying around. Some people have more time than money and this is how they spend it.

    Well it's either that or they go and buy chrome wheels and a large wing for their throw-away disposable economy car. And don't forget the beer-keg sized super-loud muffler and the clear tail lights. Yeah... the clear tail lights... they add like 50 horsepower!

    Using trash to silence a PC is not cool or geeky. It's stupid. I'm all for reusing things and being resourceful, but use some discression. sheesh.

    Folks that have more dollars than sense should not write articles on modding anything.

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    1. Re:Spending money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      With regards to those tail lights, where can I pick up a set. I;ve notied a sharp drop off in my Escorts performance of late and figure maybe I could gain some back.

      Thanks

    2. Re:Spending money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a past Escort owner, I doubt it had any performance to start with. Do you mean it no longer moves when you try to drive?

  49. Raccoon Cubs ... by Mooncaller · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... sound like failing fans. Two weeks ago, while doing an all night coding session, I heard a failing fan. I at first thought it was my window fan. I turned it off; the sound continued. "Oh no my system is dying." I had just replaced my CPU fan, which I would not have done if I had'nt heard it failing. In a panic (I'm unemployed and don't have the resources to replace my old PPro system) I shut everything down. Fortunatly the sound continued. It was coming from outside. I finally located the source even though it was highly intermitend, fading in and out just like a failing fan. What I found was a days old orphaned raccoon cub right outside my window. It was yelling for its mom. Right now the cub and a sibling are with a Wildlife Rescue raccoon specialist.

    BTW, a stupid artical like this one desireves OT posts :P

    1. Re:Raccoon Cubs ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have Wildlife Rescue raccoon specialists!? Holy shit. Where I live it's so thick with raccoons that you could hunt them with nothing but a golf club... and everybody would thank you for it if you did!

  50. Newer Maxtors are great too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The newer Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 and Plus 9 are really quiet too, in the same league as the Barracudas but somehow having got much less press in the pc silencing community.

  51. Quieter PC? by virtigex · · Score: 1

    I can on-up you there. The CD-ROM makes too much noise for me, so I use the same fanless VIA board with either NFS boot and powerline networking or a compact flash card root (using an IDE adapter) with an 802.11b adapter and the rest mounted over NFS. Totally silent.

  52. missing details by shird · · Score: 2, Informative

    He fails to mention what the speeds of all the fans in his case are. With the increased temperature, most 'smart' fans will increase in speed, and therefore noise. So adding all that insulation can even increase the noise in some cases (not this one it seems). ie, on my case, it actually runs quieter with the sides off, than on, because the temperature drops and the fans all drop in speed. Plus it means I can disconnect some fans as they are no longer needed.

    I can run a nvidia G4 & P4 2.5ghz with harldly any noise at all - seems crazy to me that some people require such extreme cooling/insulation methods. I just use fans which adjust based on load.

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  53. ARNOLD GETS BLOWN UP BY HIS OWN FUEL CELL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oops.

  54. he addressed that in the tests, you morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he measured the temp, it was insignificantly higher.

    1. Re:he addressed that in the tests, you morons by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
      Insignificantly higher ... but for how long? Unless you measure air pressure differentials you don't know what you have done to the air flow, the load on the fans, and the life expectancy of those fans. When fan motors start overheating, it all goes downhill rapidly.

      In a throw-away line he mentions the "extra intake we installed at the base of the expansion bay". No mention of size, shape, or its effect on air flow.

  55. Why Not by Exousia · · Score: 1

    I'm installing a jacuzzi and a fish tank.

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  56. Are these fiber pannels? by thogard · · Score: 3, Informative

    One problem is fibers break off and tend to collect in things like fans. If the fiber size is small (like asbestos), it can even find its way inside hard drives.

    I used some tar lined sheets. They are about 2mm thick and have metal foil on one side. They weren't cheap but the inside of my case isn't that big.

  57. Totally silent setup. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Dude... You want quiet?! Here's how you can get a computer to run SILENTLY:

    Ok, the truth is that it doesn't really run silently, but you won't hear a damn thing. Modify a desk by removing some drawers from it to make enough space for your computer to sit inside. Drill a hole at the top for the wires. A monitor, keyboard, speakers and rat are all you need on top of the desk. The best insulator is air, and there's air around the computer inside the desk. If you need to access the CD-ROM drive or something, set it up so that in place of the drawers, there is a door you can open. This has other uses, like physical layer security. You could put a lock on the damn thing or simply make it so inconspicuous (by putting a shoddy computer case next to the monitor that doesn't do anything) to fool anyone who might otherwise jack your comp. It is so silent that nobody will ever even know it is there.

    You could go further, if you're like me and you've kept every old computer you've ever had. Put them in a walk-in closet and run a network cable to your desk. Run applications on all the computers and access them all from the one on your desk, via X, VNC, or other software. When your friends come over, they'll think your computer is 10 times as fast as it actually is since you can run tons of applications all at once and they all seem to operate at full speed. Little do they know that you've actually got 10 computers (or however many) doing the work. Even at work we don't put computers out of commission and continue using them to run old applications, and new ones that don't use up 200% of system resources in order to display stupid useless graphics.

  58. Done that by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Someone already built his case out of that stuff. Ugly as sin! It was on Slashdot.

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  59. My way.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have 7 computers up and running, 5 of them being in the same room, one in the garage and one in my sons room.

    I'm here to tell you that the noise and the heat is more than I can stand. So, I scored a twin door soda display cooler from a drive in grocery store for CHEAP. It was broken and has a bullet hole in it from a robbery attempt. But, it LOOKS good. It's 6.5' tall, 5' wide and 3' deep. It's got a dozen heavy duty adjustable shelves plus internal and external 48" flourescent light fixtures. The doors are self closing, double paned glass.

    Well, I stripped out the compressor and all the other cooling things. Now I have a HUGE, insulated sound proof box that is big enough to put ALL of my computers into including my laserjet and other heat producing devices.
    pic of cooler stripped all the way down

    pic 2 of cooler stripped all the way down

    I pulled the doors off and seperated the double panes of glass and removed the "COKE" logos,
    pic of one door before removing logos

    Now I'm going to apply my own "etched glass" appliques that suit my tastes, I'm sanding the outer cabinet down and priming it so I can put a nice paint job on it and shortly I'll have a giant soundproof box for my pc's..
    I'm going to put vents in the bottom rear and baffle and filter them to keep the sound in and and the dust out. In the top I'm going to cut a four inch diameter hole and run a PVC duct through the top of the cabinet and through my ceiling into my attic. With a small, super quiet 4" fan to help exhaust the hot air, my computer room will stay nice and cool and my air conditioner will not have to work nearly so hard as it does now.
    In the winter I'll divert the exhaust into the computer room to assist the central heater..

    And to top it all off, I'm going to put a few cold cathode lights in it just for a nice effect. The internal 48" flourescent light I'll leave in there to light it up when I have to pull a rack out to work on something...

    My biggest problem now is figuring out how to get it into the house. I can take some door frames out but I don't know if it will turn the corners or not..

    1. Re:My way.. by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      I pulled the doors off and seperated the double panes of glass and removed the "COKE" logos

      A nonzero probability that Coke owns the cooler ...

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    2. Re:My way.. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      Not anymore. =:^P

    3. Re:My way.. by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1
      Forget the etched glass appliques ... get some "privacy" spray paint that is used on bathroom windows to make them look like frosted glass. Block off the areas you want to stay clear with tape or paper cutouts, spray a couple of layers of the paint, remove the blockers and you have "etched glass".

      There is a spray adhesive available at art stores that turns paper into a giant sticky note, so you can print things, cut them out, spray them and use them to block the frosted spray

    4. Re:My way.. by bobbozzo · · Score: 1

      I think a 4" fan may be too small for that much heat.

      Maybe go with a low-rpm 8" or 12" 120V fan, or a rotary-type blower.

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  60. Obvious solution by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You need to add some air holes. I recommend a sawed-off loaded with buckshot. Or if you want to go old-school, just use old fashioned slugs.

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    1. Re:Obvious solution by sharkey · · Score: 1
      You need to add some air holes.

      Better yet, add Speed Holes to make it go faster.

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    2. Re:Obvious solution by jcsehak · · Score: 1

      Air holes, or speed holes?

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    3. Re:Obvious solution by Echnin · · Score: 1

      That doesn't work very well. At least not with hard drives.

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  61. Another place where tiles can help by edhall · · Score: 2, Informative

    is on the wall behind the computer. One of the biggest noise-emitters is often the power supply fan and noise from other sources tends to leak out through other access points on the computer's back. If the computer's back faces the wall, putting a block of good sound-absorbing material can lower the amount of noise radiated into the room quite noticeably.

    You don't even need a screwdriver.

    -Ed
    1. Re:Another place where tiles can help by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      >the wall behind the computer.

      Wow, just like it says in the article! That's amazing, you can read what it says, and then type it in here. May I carry your children?

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  62. This is news? by Jellybob · · Score: 1

    Ok, so I'll admit to being kinda surprised when I saw it done the first time (by a usually non-technical person I know, who hated the noise of her computer so much she had the guts to open it up, and line the interior with foam padding... and also spend £50 on a low-noise fan and heatsink), but I didn't think it was /. material... but then things are always obvious just after you find out about them.

  63. As far as silent systems go, you can't beat Dell by dark-br · · Score: 1

    The latest Dell Precision workstations run completely silent, except for the optical drives.

    You can hear a faint whir from the fans if you place your ear next to the system, but otherwise they are completely silent.

    Furthermore, they are extremely inexpensive. The latest deal on slickdeals.net was a $340 Pentium 4 2.53GHz system with 256MB PC2700 RAM, a 16X DVD-ROM or a 48X CD-RW, 30GB hard drive and 32MB Rage (in an AGP slot so it's upgradable) Slickdeals went so far as to say "You cannot build your own system for less then this."

    I see no reason to spend more money or take the chances with some overheat-your-case-with-this-crapy-foam idea on a silent system when a Dell can be had for an afordable price tag.

  64. mine is louder by unclefungus · · Score: 1

    I know it's late to post but it needs to be said: i dont see the point in quiet PC. mine sounds like an airfield! I have what i call "vortex generators" on my monitor (check on my site). the case has about 9 fans and it runs very cooly.

  65. I've never understood why... by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ..we first seal the heat-generating components inside a closed case, then start worrying about heat dispersal, and then have to use huge and noisy fans to bring some cool air in and hot air out. Why not solve the problem from the beginning, rather than patching up existing designs?

    I've recently built a power amplifier with a practically sealed case with plenty of metal. The case itself is the heat sink, so there's no need to have any dusty air wandering inside. Of course audio devices don't usually need fans, but it's basically the same idea anyway. The next computer I build will hopefully have passive cooling in a similar fashion, and of course a fanless power supply.

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    1. Re:I've never understood why... by jjc2222 · · Score: 1

      There are metal cases for PCs, but since the hot components are not bolted directly to the case, this doesn't help much for dissipating heat. It would take major design overhauls of motherboards, graphics cards, and cases to have cases act as huge heatsinks.

      As it stands today, the "solution" of fans drawing cool air in and pushing hot air out is pretty good. Given the amount of heat being produced by current processors, it's hard to get away from fans (or some kind of moving fluid). For instance, your processor will likely run hotter with the case wide open than it would if you sealed it up and used fans to force air over the heat sink.

      As for a passive cooling solution, remember the Apple G4 Cube? That used pure convection to draw heat up and out of the case. However, as processors get faster and faster, solutions like this will be harder and harder to come by.

    2. Re:I've never understood why... by mkarpinski · · Score: 1


      You might be interested in this system from Hush Technologies in the UK:

      Hush Mini-ITX

      The entire case acts as the heat sink.

      It's a pretty sweet machine (albeit slightly expensive) for a media-PC solution.

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    3. Re:I've never understood why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this.

    4. Re:I've never understood why... by ebbe11 · · Score: 1
      ..we first seal the heat-generating components inside a closed case, then start worrying about heat dispersal, and then have to use huge and noisy fans to bring some cool air in and hot air out.

      A computer radiates RF big time. The higher the clock frequency, the worse it gets. The metal case keeps the RF in.

      Why not solve the problem from the beginning, rather than patching up existing designs?

      Price. It is much cheaper to use fans than to build a computer with passive cooling or water cooling etc.

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    5. Re:I've never understood why... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      A computer radiates RF big time. The higher the clock frequency, the worse it gets. The metal case keeps the RF in.

      Audio devices also need RF shielding, mostly to keep it out. However, a metal case can also work as a heatsink.

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  66. Maybe I don't understand.... by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

    What good does it really do to put these tiles on the inside of the PC case? It's been my experience that most PC noise is caused by the fans themselves blowing air.

    This is what fans do right? And yeah, it's a tough nut to crack, because quiteing the fans means limiting their airflow somehow. Limiting the airflow means that eventually our something inside our boxen is going to start to smell like burnt toast.

    As CPU's have gotten faster and required more cooling, I've noticed that machines have gotten louder and louder. I have a p2 200 with 2 fans, that I thought was louder than the 486 it replaced. It's insanely quiet compared to the p3 and p4 I use now. (3 and 4 fans)

    It seems to me that the internal sounds of a PC (minus the fans) are the drives. Not for nothing, but it's really not that loud or distracting.

    The sound charts in the article even seem to reflect this. So he loses 2 or 3 DB's with the tile. He's erasing the drive sounds. So what?

    I also wonder what he's doing to the airflow inside the machine. Good would be, smaller inside volume, faster airflow. But he's also covering the front vents of the machine. Less places for the air to go. Not so good....

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    1. Re:Maybe I don't understand.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got alot of good questions - you seem like a smart guy - I'd like you now to propose some answers

    2. Re:Maybe I don't understand.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I plan to deal with the noise until such time that there's a reliable, relatively inexpensive liquid based solution.

      That's my answer. ;)

      wbs

    3. Re:Maybe I don't understand.... by Little+Brother · · Score: 1

      My Vector Graphic System B(Z-80, 4MHz, 64K RAM, 2 51/2" floppy, 5 ports for serial terminal,) is louder than any of my more modern systems. Of course it was origionaly marketed as an "economical mainframe" but so far as general role goes, it was used as an early desktop, often as not running CP/M instead of MP/M and with only a single terminal.

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  67. Even quiter PC by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    I used to have a annoying loud PC in my bedroom and it was very difficult to sleep with it on,

    Bedroom PC's are for those who do not share the bedroom with a significant other. Some of us do, and so have banished most electronics to other parts of the house, so we can concentrate on ...ahem...other matters pertaining to the bedroom.

    Sadly, most of /. does nto fit this profile, so a nice quiet bedroom PC is a necessary object.

    1. Re:Even quiter PC by drdale · · Score: 1
      Bedroom PC's are for those who do not share the bedroom with a significant other. Some of us do, and so have banished most electronics to other parts of the house, so we can concentrate on ...ahem...other matters pertaining to the bedroom. Sadly, most of /. does nto fit this profile, so a nice quiet bedroom PC is a necessary object.
      Actually, for most of /. a computer is a "necessary object" in "other matters pertaining to the bedroom."
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    2. Re:Even quiter PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats this? Your moment of pride to show that you are both a 'geek' AND that you have a girlfriend or wife?

      Who gives a flying shit.. what the hell were you trying to prove anyway.

    3. Re:Even quiter PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What no late night intersextion bedroom parties?

  68. Hard Drives by Bilange · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have a one year old Maxtor hard drive (40gb@7200 rpm) here and its making as much noise as my 4-5 year old fujitsu 8gb@7200 rpm. So I guess that hard drives is another major noise source.

    If you have the ressources to do it, heres an ingenious way to silent an hard drive.

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    1. Re:Hard Drives by wik · · Score: 1

      I highly recommend the Seagate Barracuda ATA drives. Mine is extremely quiet and gave me back quality sleep that I had been losing to some squeaky, loud SCSI drives. Seriously though, if you have the few bucks to spend (I think I paid $100 for my 80GB drive, a while back), get one of these drives, but forget about the hacks listed in that article. The drive is quiet enough that there is little to be gained from fancy mounting.

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    2. Re:Hard Drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article mentioned:
      I did notice that mounted normally inside the PC cases, the Barracuda drives still emitted some audible noise. The noise was lower in frequency than with the previous drives, and much quieter, but still noticeable. I discovered that the Barracuda was held in my hand, it was much quieter. This led me to the conclusion that vibrations transmitted from the drive to the case were causing added noise.

  69. Re:ARNOLD GETS REPROGRAMMED BY THE FEMALE TERMINAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a bittorrent for T3????????

  70. Oh for cripes sake! by nzyank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You guys who disagree are wrong. If I feel heat on the case of the computer that means heat is being dissipated by the case. The fan is blowing the hot air around, mostly out the holes, but in the process some air contacts the metal walls of the case which is transferring the heat from the inside to the outside. Is that so hard to understand? Hey here's a thought! Why don't you remove all the insulation from your house walls and let the resultant air do its job of insulating. Put a bunch of fucking fans in your house in the winter time and that'll keep you warm, right? Sometimes I wish I was dumb so that life would seem simpler and yet more mysterious like it must to you guys; the ones who make stupid statements as if they were true and especially the ones who mod those stupid statements up as if they were insightful and actually not stupid.

    1. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Just chill, dude. The heat dissipation due to a metal case is negligible; The vast majority of the heat is dissipated by the exhaust fans.

      I put some carpet underlay in my case, it's decent at absorbing sound, and the temperature only went up a couple degrees -- a small price to pay for the reduced noise.

    2. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by Jarlsberg · · Score: 1
      You guys who disagree are wrong.
      Heh. Well, this *is* Slashdot.
    3. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      I put an office carpet tile inside mine to reduce the noise levels to the point where I can happily sleep next to it and only hear a very very light amount of fan noise and occassional hard drive activity. Since the machine is my firewall and router and is in the lounge it needed to be super quiet - thus, it is a Pentium 90 with a cheap low speed drive and only 1 quiet fan. Bliss.

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    4. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can happily sleep next to it... the machine is [...] in the lounge

      Get kicked out of bed a lot, do you?

    5. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by jesdynf · · Score: 1

      You give me (-1, Stupid) or (-1, Wrong) and I'll mark 'em, I assure you.

      (-1, The FUCK Is This?) would be handy, too.

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    6. Re:Oh for cripes sake! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes ones mate is a light sleeper. If you snore, it's a thoughtfull to actually sleep in another room, especially if you snore loudly.

  71. Again with the foam... by Ozan · · Score: 1

    People will never learn that much of the sound a PC emits origins from the case itself per structure-borne sound. So you have to absorb the structure-borne sound by using a heavy, unelastic material. Foam is not heavy and thus it is not suitable.

    I choose bitumen, which I bought from the local car parts dealer at 20 for 0.75m. It is self-adhesive and can be cut by a scissor, so I fitted my whole case with it in about one hour, making noticeably heavier. Subjectively measured I think the PC is now half as loud as it was before, so I got a whole -10 dB.

    So everyone speak after me: "Bitumen, bitumen, bitumen!"

  72. Computers in cabinets. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    The problem with putting a computer in a desk or cabinet is that it heats up due to the confined air pocket around the machine. Fans that just end up recycling hot air don't make the machine any cooler. One of my machines I've had to maintain has stability problems as a result of this.

    Lastly, the air gap in the cabinet is not what's shielding the sound. It's shielded because the walls of the desk/cabinet are good at absorbing sound, and because you're farther away from it (less reaches you), and because vibrations in the desk can couple into the floor and other parts of the building you're in to sink energy instead of resonating in the room.

    If anyone else is considering a similar desk mod, I'd suggest making cutouts in the back or side of the desk (something unobstructed) for a large exhaust fan and an air intake vent.

    1. Re:Computers in cabinets. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the fan/heat problem is a big one. You could probably run a VIA chip or something in the desk, and it will stay cool enough in the drawers so the harddisks won't overheat, but if you want to run something like an Athlon with a good video card and 7200RPM drives, you'll need an entire closet for enough ambient air. It does work well though.

  73. intresting way to get the Dynamat by mikeb55121 · · Score: 1

    if you would rather have the dynamat there is a way to get it hella cheap all you do is find some one who works at best buy and you are set they get a good discount on that crap.

  74. Did you know Buckky Fuller and/or his dad invented by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    By the way: Did you know that Bucky Fuller (of geodesic dome fame) and/or his did invented those tiles?

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  75. You guys aint heard nuthin... by Zeddicus_Z · · Score: 1
    I love reading all these comments from people complaining how their one or two PCs produce so much noise it drives them insane. Working as I do in a server room (on the bright side, at least it gives me my own office...), the noise levels I'm exposed to are exponentially worse than that of your average home or office user.

    To wit;
    • 1x IBM NetFinity 7000: 2x internal fans, 2x front bezel fans, 8x HDD rack fans, 2x PSU fans
    • 1x IBM NetFinity 5000: 2x internal fans, 2x HDD fans, 1x PSU fan
    • 1x F760 NetApp NAS: 2x PSU fans, 16x HDD fans
    Add to that three more floor-mounted servers and my own workstation. I'm sure I've read somewhere that long-term exposure to noise levels such as this damages your hearing. Hence why I constantly play Nirvana and Keiko Matsui at a billion decibels.
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  76. not sure but be careful of static by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ESD(electro-static discharge) will kill your machine quite quickly, I'm not sure of the characteristics of this type of foam, but for instance, you know those "peanuts" all of your electronic gear often comes shipped in? Well it sucks for ESD. I hope this stuff is a lot better. Remember, just because you don't get a "shock" from the discharge doesn't make it safe. Ask any electrical engineer if you don't believe me.

    1. Re:not sure but be careful of static by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I would think this wouldn't be an issue if your case is properly grounded via the 3rd prong in the power cable. But you never know I guess.

  77. Freaking loud laptop by cerberusss · · Score: 1
    I have a Dell Latitude CSx which is very noisy, because of the harddisk (an IBM Travelstar DARA-212000 12Gb thingy). Anyone has any tips as on how to make a laptop drive less noisy?

    I tried to run hdparm with the -M parameter (acoustic management) but that doesn't work. I sometimes run it with -S 1 so it shuts down after 5 seconds of disk inactivity but my gf still complains when I work in the living room...

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  78. You want real computer sounds? Re:Ahh, but you.... by WuWarrior · · Score: 1

    Nullsoft Beep is a little program that will make sounds like computers do in the movies! It is amusing to play around with.

  79. Speaker Sound Dampening? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Kind of offtopic...but this coming semester at college, I am not going to be in the basement like I requested, but on the top floor of the dorm building. I have a loud subwoofer...and like to listen to music late at night, which wasn't an issue before but obviously will be now.

    I have no desire to wear headphones, and am trying to figure out if there is any way to completely dampen the pounding that the person below me will hear. Could this material be of any use? What else could I use? What topic should I research to find information on this?

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  80. German product, eh? by Leffe · · Score: 1

    I should pick some up next time I'm going to Germany, they seem really nice, maybe I can cover my entire room with them :) My crappy computer makes a lot of noise, and my supercomputer makes even more, especially when it gets warm and the fans accelerate to the max speed, that noise is insane.

    Can they be ordered over the net, maybe? My current browser doesn't support links to that site, or I'm lazy.

  81. You could try Akasa Pax.mate by ponos · · Score: 1


    I had a very noisy computer and I spend
    some money to improve it. I used the
    following components:

    - Akasa pax.mate sound insulation 30 E
    - Thermaltake Volcano 9 fan/cooler 35 E
    - Zalman 400W PSU (EXCELLENT quality!)
    at 118 Euro
    - High quality case with 2x12cm fans (not
    the standard 8 cm) at 50 Euro without
    PSU

    I also stripped the fan from my
    Northbridge (VIA KT400 chipset) and it's
    only 3-4 degrees C hotter (~42 deg. C
    with ~30 deg. C ambient).

    I am now considering a passive VGA
    cooler (Zalman, 27 Euro) for my video
    card (Geforce 3 Ti 200).

    P.

  82. I suppose.... by Cackmobile · · Score: 1

    I could use this in my car. I have a 64 Chev and the stereo makes all the panels vibrate and make a terrible noise (no i am not one of those guys where you can here me coming from 2kms away). I started to dynamat my car but its so expensive and i have so much panel space to do.

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  83. Err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you mean they replaced decibels with database administrators?That for sure is lousier than hell!

  84. Ah, Slashdot, how I love thee by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    +lots insightful to post after post sneering that the heat rise will be too much, that the sound drop will be inperceptible, that these tiles require an air gap, or that putting a tile behind the box will help.

    All of which are either refuted with figures, or already mentioned in the article.

    Tell me, in the stampede to post and rate, has it become anathema to actually read the linked to articles any more? Please let me know, I'd hate to think that I wasn't doing what all the cool kids do.

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  85. The *correct* way to make a quiet PC by gbsallery · · Score: 1
    Is like this:

    http://www.colour9.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_ albumName=album17

    Rip out all those noisy fans, wrangle some sheets of copper into funky shapes and pipe it all together with PVC tubing. Then add water.

    The design process was actually a little more involved than that, but making the choice to increase the surface area of the heat exchanger (I have plenty of space under my desk) means I can get away with totally passive convection cooling (apart from one tiny little aquarium pump, which is silent).

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  86. I'm your biggest fan... by steeviant · · Score: 1

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a better solution actually be to use larger intake apertures and slower moving fans with larger blades to actually correct the noise problem at it's source rather than getting a (cheap?) badly designed case and lining it with noise absorbing material?

    I know that the bigger, slower moving fan solution works on CPU coolers, so why not with the whole case. As long as the intake and exahaust holes in the case don't create too much turbulence this idea should work.

    Of course your computer would probably end up looking like swiss cheese, but considering that most people are more than happy to put up with a beige block, I'm sure a beige block with 20 billion holes drilled in it would go down just as well.

  87. Missing the obvious? by whovian · · Score: 1
    I could have added a lot more of the thin white foam to cover every square inch of exposed surface on the inside of the case but didn't. I was really only interested in placing it in the most accessible areas with large sheets so I could get a feel for the sound absorbency of the material.
    it seems to me it would be easier to tile every inch of the case exterior not interior.
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  88. quiet pc from Dell (?) by hqm · · Score: 1

    We recently ordered a new consumer desktop PC from Dell, and it turns out is is substantially quieter than most PC's I have used. They seem to be paying attention to noise factors, or else we just happened to get a machine with particularly quiet power supply fans...

  89. Hush by Alioth · · Score: 1

    Why not just use the Hush PC case?

    It's a nice all-metal Mini-ITX formfactor case with heatsinks instead of PSU fans. I saw one in action at a supplier, and there is remarkably little noise (you can just hear the hard disk). It's also a great looking case.

    http://mini-itx.com has the details.

  90. Happy customer of www.quietpc.com by Ella+the+Cat · · Score: 1

    take a look here I'm well pleased with their stuff.

  91. Easier Ways To Quiet a PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are easier, more effective ways to quiet a pc: - suspend the hard drive in elastic material. - run the fans at 5v - buy quiet fans silent pc review.com. RSS

  92. Whatever happened to oise cancellation technology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't you sample the sound inside the box and then generate an inverse sound wave? I'd imagine one could start by attaching something like a SoundBug (www.soundbug.biz) to the PC case.

  93. To the Mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YTBT. YHL. HAND.


    AC

  94. Dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be worried about the dust that these panels produce...we just finished installing a bunch of them at our office and the dust is very fine and gets into everything...

  95. Another fix all solution by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    Thin-client + move main box to celler.

    cavat: Doesn't work with gaming / 2 expensive afaik.

  96. Anti noise devices by TREETOP · · Score: 1

    I'd like a look at those accoustic "anti-noise" generators. You know the ones, those devices that do a real time noise measurement and produce a sound that is 180 degrees out of phase with the target noise, effectively creating silence from two sources of noise. Heck, they made one for a diesel bus that worked attached to the exhaust pipe and lowered the sound level by a huge amount. There are aircraft pilot headphones that do the same, made for extreme noise environments like those in helicopters and exposed cockpit aircraft like older biplanes. This is a simple way to silence those bad pwr supplies and cpu fans.

  97. Re:GODDAMN FUCKTARD MODS!!!! by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

    i am not sitting on your cock.

    do you really think i am?

    perhaps you should stop imagining me... do you masturbate while imagining me? do you like it? do you wake up in the morning with a hard cock and wank off to your impression of me? do you have wet dreams over me? do you imagine me when you sleep?

    or do you just like to imagine me when posting on /.?

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