You seem to think that criminals are just going to throw away all of their firearms if the citizenry does so. Several cities in American have enacted laws that frobid the ownership of firearms. In every case crime has gone up. If you look at the cities of the US and look at crime rates, it is those cities that have removed the right of citizens to own firearms that now have the worst problems with violent crime.
The problems with violent crime anywhere in the world, not just America, are far more challenging than just saying "take away all the firearms and no one will hurt anyone else"
Its also very insulting that you keep saying Americans are "primitive" and "unsophisticated". Labeling people with those words will usually get YOU label as an "Elitist Snob"
I loved X-COM as a kid!
All I want is a heavy plasma rifle....
But seriously, I think youre the only other person on earth I have run into that knows about this game.
The only man whose fans absolutely hate him.
I was really looking forward to this when it was announced as there were suppose to be Mandolorian episodes. But since he turned them into pacifists he destroyed the only thing I liked about star wars.
uh... Where did I say that the police go around just shooting people indiscriminately? Judging by what you wrote Im guessing you read very little of what I wrote.
1. As I said, the weapon was developed for the military but failed. It was then marketed to Law Enforcement. They also passed.
2. When it was marketed to the Law Enforcement community it was for SWAT and other SRT groups, not for your average officer.
3. As for being "Judge, Jury, and Executioner" well, if I am ever forced to use lethal force on anyone I would prefer to have the tool best fit to the job. In other words, when some coked out meth dealer starts shooting at the police, I dont expect the police to tickle him with a feather... I expect them to shoot him.
Not a lot of people (Military, Law Enforcement, and otherwise) use the P-90. Its expensive, you dont have much choice in ammo (FN is the only one producing ammo for it) and the round isnt that great. The velocity on the 5.7 round is good and that gives it its penetration characteristics but the actual wounding characteristics (temporary and permanent crush cavities) are terrible.
The ATF, USSS, and FBI all bought several of them for consideration and trials. All of them said that if you actually have to shoot someone with the P90 you need to put 5-6 rounds (barring CNS shot of course) in the guy to make sure he stays down, and the wounding characteristics are MUCH worse if you are using subsonic ammo. Of those organizations only the USSS actually bought any and even then they only have it for a very NARROW mission profile.
Im not saying its a bad gun, its just not really used very often in the real world, unlike how it is portrayed in TV. It is actually somewhat a failed product. It was designed to be a PDW (A PDW is a weapon thats kind of between a pistol and a rifle. Its for those that arnt in the thick of it, but you dont want to just give them a pistol) for non-combat roles.
The only reason everyone seems to know about this gun is from movies, TV, and video games.
Thats not what his point is.
He is pointing out that you can completely "rewire" someones physical responses to just about any stimuli in a relatively short period of time.
The Marine bootcamp is all about breaking a man down and rebuilding him from the ground up.
The term sneakernet harkens back to the early days of computing where the only way to get information was to put it on a disk and walk it over to another computer and load it there. Thus a network using your sneakers (your shoes) as the transportation method. So this would be partially true for this instance.
Tor does have a few potential vulnerabilities and it would not surprise me in the least if the NSA did have a way of tracking it.
The way Osama decided to do it shifted the vulnerability from an electronic one to a personal loyalty one. With his age, experience and knowledge im sure he was able to better control and protect the later rather than the former. Its also very similar to his previous methods. Low tech - High concept.
I agree, but if your target has a decent chance of discovering your operation you dont sit on your hands for 6 months and just see how it goes. Supposedly the intelligence had come about in august, so in November they had already been sitting on him for 3 months.
Having looked at the satalite photos apparently the term "in the middle of a populated, affluent neighborhood" means something different in pakistan.
Judging by where the rotor tail fell and the next house being nearly 100 meters away all I have to say is: 0_o
In your mind. Let me stress that properly: In your mind.
Apparently you agree with Osama that sub-humans somehow deserve a worse treatment or can be killed at will.
What makes you think I share that sentiment?
How did I say I agree with killing anyone? So thats a pretty bad strawman argument, and at worst out right intellectually dishonest. Which by the way if you are going to take the "In your mind" approach the exact same can be said for your arguments which would render EVERYONES ARGUMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING SUBJECTIVE AS MOOT. So really thats another bad argument to use as well as it renders your opinion meaningless at the same time.
Personally I do not look down on anyone as sub-human. My family is from Poland and those are the words Nazis used to define my family, and how they justified murdering much of them. Osama admittedly ordered an attack on innocent civilians, and he would have most likely gladly done so again if given the opportunity. So his passing is a happy occasion.
His guilt has not been proven in a court of law.
Oh, you do believe in the principles of our justice system, do you? Or are you one of those people who think the principles don't always apply?
I'm not saying I believe he's innocent. It's sad one has to point that out explicitly. But I am saying that full-blown humans should be proud of living under the rule of law, not the rule of arbitrary self-defined justice.
But Osama was never even tried in court. His guilt was assumed, established, stated - anything but proven.
But that argument holds NO actual context. We dont have a trial for EVERY enemy combatant engaged in a battle. We dont drag judges and lawyers around a battlefield so everyone can hold a trial while people are shooting at you. So that argument is moot and actually kind of stupid if you took any time to think about it. But again, nice try at a straw man argument.
On October 30th 2004 Osama bin Laden released a tape to Al Jezeera (and they aired it) where he explained his reasons for ordering the 9/11 attacks. Essentially this would be construed as an admission of guilt.
So, to re-cap, a high profile enemy combatant is killed in a foreign country, with the permission of the country the operation was performed in, and youre complaining about legal proceedings? I personally think its funny that the irony of your statements is totally lost on you.
And that is his victory over you. He has caused the west - the west that he considers degenerate, evil and false - to behave in exactly those ways.
Well to combat an argument like that I guess will be to meet it with an equal amount of stupidity and use one of your arguments. "In your mind" =P
I was taking you seriously until you said that everyone else is sub-human. Osama thought that everyone else is sub-human as well and figured it was fine and dandy to kill us "sub-humans".
Your words really tell us much more than I think you wished to say. Congratulation on being far more narrow minded than those you accuse.
Also, we are better than those muslims that celebrated 9/11. The people in the World Trade Center were innocent, Osama is far from innocent.
On Babylon 5, one of Marcus's lines was that he took great comfort in the basic unfairness of the Universe. If it were basically fair, that would mean he deserved everything that happened to him.
I would mod this up if I could. That was one of the most comforting sayings I have ever heard from a TV show.
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You seem to think that criminals are just going to throw away all of their firearms if the citizenry does so. Several cities in American have enacted laws that frobid the ownership of firearms. In every case crime has gone up. If you look at the cities of the US and look at crime rates, it is those cities that have removed the right of citizens to own firearms that now have the worst problems with violent crime. The problems with violent crime anywhere in the world, not just America, are far more challenging than just saying "take away all the firearms and no one will hurt anyone else" Its also very insulting that you keep saying Americans are "primitive" and "unsophisticated". Labeling people with those words will usually get YOU label as an "Elitist Snob"
I loved X-COM as a kid! All I want is a heavy plasma rifle.... But seriously, I think youre the only other person on earth I have run into that knows about this game.
Who said those limey British bastards at MI6 don’t have a sense of humor?
The only man whose fans absolutely hate him. I was really looking forward to this when it was announced as there were suppose to be Mandolorian episodes. But since he turned them into pacifists he destroyed the only thing I liked about star wars.
It stands for Opposing Force. Its a term used in the military to designate a non-descript force that is opposing the soldiers.
uh... Where did I say that the police go around just shooting people indiscriminately? Judging by what you wrote Im guessing you read very little of what I wrote.
1. As I said, the weapon was developed for the military but failed. It was then marketed to Law Enforcement. They also passed.
2. When it was marketed to the Law Enforcement community it was for SWAT and other SRT groups, not for your average officer.
3. As for being "Judge, Jury, and Executioner" well, if I am ever forced to use lethal force on anyone I would prefer to have the tool best fit to the job. In other words, when some coked out meth dealer starts shooting at the police, I dont expect the police to tickle him with a feather... I expect them to shoot him.
Your contrived argument is, well, just stupid.
Not a lot of people (Military, Law Enforcement, and otherwise) use the P-90. Its expensive, you dont have much choice in ammo (FN is the only one producing ammo for it) and the round isnt that great. The velocity on the 5.7 round is good and that gives it its penetration characteristics but the actual wounding characteristics (temporary and permanent crush cavities) are terrible. The ATF, USSS, and FBI all bought several of them for consideration and trials. All of them said that if you actually have to shoot someone with the P90 you need to put 5-6 rounds (barring CNS shot of course) in the guy to make sure he stays down, and the wounding characteristics are MUCH worse if you are using subsonic ammo. Of those organizations only the USSS actually bought any and even then they only have it for a very NARROW mission profile. Im not saying its a bad gun, its just not really used very often in the real world, unlike how it is portrayed in TV. It is actually somewhat a failed product. It was designed to be a PDW (A PDW is a weapon thats kind of between a pistol and a rifle. Its for those that arnt in the thick of it, but you dont want to just give them a pistol) for non-combat roles. The only reason everyone seems to know about this gun is from movies, TV, and video games.
Thats not what his point is. He is pointing out that you can completely "rewire" someones physical responses to just about any stimuli in a relatively short period of time. The Marine bootcamp is all about breaking a man down and rebuilding him from the ground up.
No worries, It does sound much cooler than just saying "I copied some crap to a thumb drive and went somewhere else with it."
The term sneakernet harkens back to the early days of computing where the only way to get information was to put it on a disk and walk it over to another computer and load it there. Thus a network using your sneakers (your shoes) as the transportation method. So this would be partially true for this instance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet
I also feel the need to point out that this was probably not so much an attempt to thwart eavesdropping, but to mask his location.
Tor does have a few potential vulnerabilities and it would not surprise me in the least if the NSA did have a way of tracking it. The way Osama decided to do it shifted the vulnerability from an electronic one to a personal loyalty one. With his age, experience and knowledge im sure he was able to better control and protect the later rather than the former. Its also very similar to his previous methods. Low tech - High concept.
I agree, but if your target has a decent chance of discovering your operation you dont sit on your hands for 6 months and just see how it goes. Supposedly the intelligence had come about in august, so in November they had already been sitting on him for 3 months.
Having looked at the satalite photos apparently the term "in the middle of a populated, affluent neighborhood" means something different in pakistan. Judging by where the rotor tail fell and the next house being nearly 100 meters away all I have to say is: 0_o
If this was true they would have nailed him almost immediately. They would not have waited 6 months and potentially let the target slip away.
more likely would be a 2000lbs JDAM being dropped on it 20 minutes after the SEALS were gone.
In your mind. Let me stress that properly: In your mind.
Apparently you agree with Osama that sub-humans somehow deserve a worse treatment or can be killed at will.
What makes you think I share that sentiment?
How did I say I agree with killing anyone? So thats a pretty bad strawman argument, and at worst out right intellectually dishonest. Which by the way if you are going to take the "In your mind" approach the exact same can be said for your arguments which would render EVERYONES ARGUMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING SUBJECTIVE AS MOOT. So really thats another bad argument to use as well as it renders your opinion meaningless at the same time.
Personally I do not look down on anyone as sub-human. My family is from Poland and those are the words Nazis used to define my family, and how they justified murdering much of them. Osama admittedly ordered an attack on innocent civilians, and he would have most likely gladly done so again if given the opportunity. So his passing is a happy occasion.
His guilt has not been proven in a court of law.
Oh, you do believe in the principles of our justice system, do you? Or are you one of those people who think the principles don't always apply?
I'm not saying I believe he's innocent. It's sad one has to point that out explicitly. But I am saying that full-blown humans should be proud of living under the rule of law, not the rule of arbitrary self-defined justice.
But Osama was never even tried in court. His guilt was assumed, established, stated - anything but proven.
But that argument holds NO actual context. We dont have a trial for EVERY enemy combatant engaged in a battle. We dont drag judges and lawyers around a battlefield so everyone can hold a trial while people are shooting at you. So that argument is moot and actually kind of stupid if you took any time to think about it. But again, nice try at a straw man argument.
On October 30th 2004 Osama bin Laden released a tape to Al Jezeera (and they aired it) where he explained his reasons for ordering the 9/11 attacks. Essentially this would be construed as an admission of guilt.
So, to re-cap, a high profile enemy combatant is killed in a foreign country, with the permission of the country the operation was performed in, and youre complaining about legal proceedings? I personally think its funny that the irony of your statements is totally lost on you.
And that is his victory over you. He has caused the west - the west that he considers degenerate, evil and false - to behave in exactly those ways.
Well to combat an argument like that I guess will be to meet it with an equal amount of stupidity and use one of your arguments. "In your mind" =P
I was taking you seriously until you said that everyone else is sub-human. Osama thought that everyone else is sub-human as well and figured it was fine and dandy to kill us "sub-humans". Your words really tell us much more than I think you wished to say. Congratulation on being far more narrow minded than those you accuse. Also, we are better than those muslims that celebrated 9/11. The people in the World Trade Center were innocent, Osama is far from innocent.
so there is some testing to be done
I really hate to say this, but Ive been playing portal 2 and I just read that line in GLadOSs voice.
On Babylon 5, one of Marcus's lines was that he took great comfort in the basic unfairness of the Universe. If it were basically fair, that would mean he deserved everything that happened to him.
I would mod this up if I could. That was one of the most comforting sayings I have ever heard from a TV show.