> Personally, I found the whole "Buy Smoothwall > Now!" experience just a little too annoying to use.... something we try hard not to do these days so as not to alienate folk. Yes, we'd love it if everyone who used the open source version bought the commercial version, but the real world doesn't work that way. That's why a lot of the banners and stuff from 0.9.9 aren't in 1.0 (when fully patched) or 2.0 (out the box).
> The issue was solved [...] > by the installation of a simple inside door > handle.
The issue was actually solved by a complete redesign of the capsule hatch in the Block II CM - the Block I hatch was a two-piece affair, with the interior piece opening inwards. When The Fire happened, the pressure of the oxygen plus the fire pressed against the inner hatch, rendering it difficult to open. The Block II hatch was a single piece, outward-opening hatch, and was much safer in design and use.
Many remember astronauts struggling with the Block I hatch under regular conditions, so imagine how hard it must have been to try and open that hatch with flames around you, and the atmospheric pressure keeping even the strongest man from opening it.
From the first manned Block I capsule tests in 1967 to the end of Apollo in 1972, via the most recent accident involving Apollo tech (Apollo 13, 1970), there were 3 losses of life, and one serious accident almost costing NASA and the USA 3 more astronauts, spread across 11 manned flights and 12 vehicles.
From the ALT tests in 1977 to this year, via Challenger in 1986 and Columbia, there have been 14 losses of life across 113 manned flights (not including ALT flights) and 5 vehicles.
I'm not out to rail on Apollo tech, because it was shaping up to be the workhorse of space, and I'm not surprised that style of vehicle is being revisited, but given the number of successes the Shuttle has had, and the nominally stronger safety record, calling it a boondoggle is a bit strong.
> I don't know what went on with the teletext thing you mention...
This is probably the BBC removing the teletext data on all BBC TV channels inserted into the uplink feed to BSkyB sometime last year, which most people in Europe can receive. Traditional Teletext (the Ceefax service) is now only available via analogue terrestrial broadcast - digital terrestrial, cable and satellite BBC channels now carry the BBCi interactive TV service, which used to look like this and this, but now looks like this.
They didn't use the audio out because they wanted a digital signal to be used for faster and more "accurate" loading, hence the connection via the joystick port.
> Stop me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the > first man on the moon, Neil himself, a civie?
He wasn't *always* a civilian -- Neil Armstrong did an aviator tour with the navy from 1949 to 1952, joined NACA as a test pilot in 1955, and stayed on when NACA became NASA.
The moon landings *were* a military thing, mainly due to the amount of test pilots required, and the only real place to get them was in the US military services.
Um, no, PlayStation developers use a debug version of the console (most of them were blue, later models were grey or green), which has no region lockout or copy protection enabled on it, allowing the use of black PlayStation CDs from any territory, and also regular CD-Rs.
Re:IPCop as a quick solution to firewalling
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IPCop 0.1.1 Review
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· Score: 1
> [snip feature list]
I've said it before, I'll say it again - ipcop owes a hell of a lot of that to SmoothWall.
If you (ipcop the project that is) intended to rip up the 0.9.9 GPL codebase, which forms the bulk of IPCop 0.1.x, why did you bother using the 0.9.9 codebase at all? Oh, to shout out loud and gather numbers. Just how far away is that fabled 0.2 codebase? All I see are confusing discussions about Perl, Python and Ruby (oh my!</oz>), very basic XML/RPC implementations, and not much else.
ipcop had the wrong motivation behind it from the start. If you had issues with Richard Morrell, why not confront him about them, instead of slinking off (some ex-SW team members didn't even tell us they'd left!!) to ipcop-land, and muttering amongst yourselves on your own lists and news servers. You were vocal in the worst way, but so be it.
I personally am sick of all this bollocks. It's a waste of everyone's time and energy. People must think we sit and scheme about ipcop and think up insults and so on - we don't. We just get on with things. There's no point in sitting about going "oh DICK morrell, what a [insert insult]" or "smoothwall is [insert insult]"... It's utterly juvenile, and just a waste of time. As soon as the ipcop "crowd" realise that, the better.
> >As is SmoothWall Corporate Server > >[smoothwall.co.uk], and as will the next release > >of the free version of SmoothWall. > > hmmm. Ext3 under GPL and Ext3 after paying.
which part of "next release of the free version" didn't you understand?:)
> Not quite. SW was 2.2.19 based when > we forked, but who cares.
actually, when you forked, SmoothWall was 2.2.20 based, but let's not let the facts get in the way of things
> Not quite again. The GUI is quite a > bit different.
The GUI is exactly the same when you look at the nuts and bolts of it. You (the ipcop team) have changed the colours slightly, removed/replaced some graphical elements, but otherwise it's VERY recognisable as SmoothWall. Were you to radically overhaul the entire look and feel of ipcop, then I'd grant you "quite a bit" of a difference.
> > Would ipcop have any users or any > > on-the-ground >support if they (a) > > hadn't forked SmoothWall, >and > > Do you really want to talk about support?
Sorry, i was referring to grass-roots support, i.e. advocacy.
> Sorry. We ride more on the back you > SW's failure. But either way doesn't > really matter.
again, don't let the facts get in the way of anything else chuck... SmoothWall has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of active users, plus god knows how many ISO downloads...
ipcop has had, what, 130k ISO downloads with about 2000 active users? honestly, how many would you have had if you hadn't been so vocal about your (not yours personally) treatment by Richard and also if you hadn't forked SmoothWall, but started from scratch - be honest now...
interesting that most of these comments about ipcop popped up after this was posted to one of their lists...
personally I'm more interested in *BSD variants to Crunch's new box rather than listen to a rehashing of whatever many other discussions / arguments / holy wars have gone by over Linux-based distros...
> It is based on linux kernel 2.2.20 and ipchains.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> It is GPLed, has a quality web interface, > and installs fast and easy.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> Furthermore, the user list is friendly and > helpful. I downloaded the iso for it, > wrote it to a cd, and then took about 15 > minutes start to finish with the initial > installation.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> After that, the fine tuning was handled > over a very intuitive web interface.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
Would ipcop have any users or any on-the-ground support if they (a) hadn't forked SmoothWall, and (b) hadn't been so vocal about forking it... Yes, forking GPL sources is perfectly legal, but talk about riding on the back of someone elses success...
exactly... cf Linus, Theo, RMS, and so on. not particularly paragons of happy chatters and friendly hug types. i'm not excusing anyone's behaviour here, but it's not exactly isolated, is it?
> The only people who are in love with Sony
> are people who've never actually had to deal
> with Sony.
I had to deal with Sony just over a year ago after the shop I preordered my PS2 from decided they couldn't be arsed sending my forms back to Sony (Tax Free Dixons in Edinburgh Airport FWIW), and my PS2 was delayed by a week or so because of it. But Sony couldn't have been more helpful, phoning me on day of release, and keeping me up-to-date on how they were bollocking Dixons to get it sorted from me. I had a phone call by the end of the day from Dixons telling me when I could pick it up.
/me strokes his PSone's, PS2, Vaio, Clie, minidisc, VHS, hifi, etc Nary a problem with em.
Realistically the guy flashed his drives firmware with another drives firmware, and he fecked it. Big deal. Suck it up that you broke it and move on.
Genuine Surprise that no-one's mentioned this book
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Apollo 1
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· Score: 2, Informative
Hmmm, no-one seems to have mentioned Andrew Chaikin's excellent Apollo resource A Man on the Moon - you can read the first few pages of the section on Apollo 1/AS201 using amazon's "Look Inside" feature. If you can't abide to buy anything from amazon for whatever reason, the ISBN is 0140272011 for the most recent paperback edition, and 0783556799 for the bloody expensive illustrative commemorative boxed set edition.
Probably one of the best, most accessible books on the subject of Apollo.
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> Personally, I found the whole "Buy Smoothwall ... something we try hard not to do these days so as not to alienate folk. Yes, we'd love it if everyone who used the open source version bought the commercial version, but the real world doesn't work that way. That's why a lot of the banners and stuff from 0.9.9 aren't in 1.0 (when fully patched) or 2.0 (out the box).
> Now!" experience just a little too annoying to use.
Is this a "one small leap for man" type word usage issue? :)
> The issue was solved [...]
> by the installation of a simple inside door
> handle.
The issue was actually solved by a complete redesign of the capsule hatch in the Block II CM - the Block I hatch was a two-piece affair, with the interior piece opening inwards. When The Fire happened, the pressure of the oxygen plus the fire pressed against the inner hatch, rendering it difficult to open. The Block II hatch was a single piece, outward-opening hatch, and was much safer in design and use.
Many remember astronauts struggling with the Block I hatch under regular conditions, so imagine how hard it must have been to try and open that hatch with flames around you, and the atmospheric pressure keeping even the strongest man from opening it.
From the first manned Block I capsule tests in 1967 to the end of Apollo in 1972, via the most recent accident involving Apollo tech (Apollo 13, 1970), there were 3 losses of life, and one serious accident almost costing NASA and the USA 3 more astronauts, spread across 11 manned flights and 12 vehicles.
From the ALT tests in 1977 to this year, via Challenger in 1986 and Columbia, there have been 14 losses of life across 113 manned flights (not including ALT flights) and 5 vehicles.
I'm not out to rail on Apollo tech, because it was shaping up to be the workhorse of space, and I'm not surprised that style of vehicle is being revisited, but given the number of successes the Shuttle has had, and the nominally stronger safety record, calling it a boondoggle is a bit strong.
> I don't know what went on with the teletext thing you mention ...
This is probably the BBC removing the teletext data on all BBC TV channels inserted into the uplink feed to BSkyB sometime last year, which most people in Europe can receive. Traditional Teletext (the Ceefax service) is now only available via analogue terrestrial broadcast - digital terrestrial, cable and satellite BBC channels now carry the BBCi interactive TV service, which used to look like this and this, but now looks like this.
Tom Baker is alive and well and doing TV advertisement voiceovers :)
They didn't use the audio out because they wanted a digital signal to be used for faster and more "accurate" loading, hence the connection via the joystick port.
WoS does this as a matter of course to all email addresses published in the clear.
Most UK network TV edits of the Die hard movies use "Yippey-kay-ay, Kemo Sabe" ... satellite and cable channels rightfully leave the originals alone :)
webcrawler is alive and well, but simply acts as a search aggregator, returning searches from Google, Overture, FAST, About.com, etc.
> Stop me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the
> first man on the moon, Neil himself, a civie?
He wasn't *always* a civilian -- Neil Armstrong did an aviator tour with the navy from 1949 to 1952, joined NACA as a test pilot in 1955, and stayed on when NACA became NASA.
The moon landings *were* a military thing, mainly due to the amount of test pilots required, and the only real place to get them was in the US military services.
Um, no, PlayStation developers use a debug version of the console (most of them were blue, later models were grey or green), which has no region lockout or copy protection enabled on it, allowing the use of black PlayStation CDs from any territory, and also regular CD-Rs.
> [snip feature list]
... It's utterly juvenile, and just a waste of time. As soon as the ipcop "crowd" realise that, the better.
I've said it before, I'll say it again - ipcop owes a hell of a lot of that to SmoothWall.
If you (ipcop the project that is) intended to rip up the 0.9.9 GPL codebase, which forms the bulk of IPCop 0.1.x, why did you bother using the 0.9.9 codebase at all? Oh, to shout out loud and gather numbers. Just how far away is that fabled 0.2 codebase? All I see are confusing discussions about Perl, Python and Ruby (oh my!</oz>), very basic XML/RPC implementations, and not much else.
ipcop had the wrong motivation behind it from the start. If you had issues with Richard Morrell, why not confront him about them, instead of slinking off (some ex-SW team members didn't even tell us they'd left!!) to ipcop-land, and muttering amongst yourselves on your own lists and news servers. You were vocal in the worst way, but so be it.
I personally am sick of all this bollocks. It's a waste of everyone's time and energy. People must think we sit and scheme about ipcop and think up insults and so on - we don't. We just get on with things. There's no point in sitting about going "oh DICK morrell, what a [insert insult]" or "smoothwall is [insert insult]"
eeeeeeeeeeeexcellent - the AC crowd show their true colours once again! "raping cott deaths"?? isn't this a family show?
> >As is SmoothWall Corporate Server
:)
> >[smoothwall.co.uk], and as will the next release
> >of the free version of SmoothWall.
>
> hmmm. Ext3 under GPL and Ext3 after paying.
which part of "next release of the free version" didn't you understand?
> Not quite. SW was 2.2.19 based when
... SmoothWall has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of active users, plus god knows how many ISO downloads ...
...
> we forked, but who cares.
actually, when you forked, SmoothWall was 2.2.20 based, but let's not let the facts get in the way of things
> Not quite again. The GUI is quite a
> bit different.
The GUI is exactly the same when you look at the nuts and bolts of it. You (the ipcop team) have changed the colours slightly, removed/replaced some graphical elements, but otherwise it's VERY recognisable as SmoothWall. Were you to radically overhaul the entire look and feel of ipcop, then I'd grant you "quite a bit" of a difference.
> > Would ipcop have any users or any
> > on-the-ground >support if they (a)
> > hadn't forked SmoothWall, >and
>
> Do you really want to talk about support?
Sorry, i was referring to grass-roots support, i.e. advocacy.
> Sorry. We ride more on the back you
> SW's failure. But either way doesn't
> really matter.
again, don't let the facts get in the way of anything else chuck
ipcop has had, what, 130k ISO downloads with about 2000 active users? honestly, how many would you have had if you hadn't been so vocal about your (not yours personally) treatment by Richard and also if you hadn't forked SmoothWall, but started from scratch - be honest now
> Long live IPCop!
...
...
interesting that most of these comments about ipcop popped up after this was posted to one of their lists
personally I'm more interested in *BSD variants to Crunch's new box rather than listen to a rehashing of whatever many other discussions / arguments / holy wars have gone by over Linux-based distros
> Smoothwall: kernel 2.2.19
2.2.20 since the fixes5 update
> IPCop now is using Ext3. See features of V0.1.1.
:)
As is SmoothWall Corporate Server, and as will the next release of the free version of SmoothWall.
> 2.4 Kernel and IPTables in V0.2
should be interesting to see just how much breaks when you do that Jack
> It is based on linux kernel 2.2.20 and ipchains.
... Yes, forking GPL sources is perfectly legal, but talk about riding on the back of someone elses success ...
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> It is GPLed, has a quality web interface,
> and installs fast and easy.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> Furthermore, the user list is friendly and
> helpful. I downloaded the iso for it,
> wrote it to a cd, and then took about 15
> minutes start to finish with the initial
> installation.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
> After that, the fine tuning was handled
> over a very intuitive web interface.
Thanks to SmoothWall.
Would ipcop have any users or any on-the-ground support if they (a) hadn't forked SmoothWall, and (b) hadn't been so vocal about forking it
exactly ... cf Linus, Theo, RMS, and so on. not particularly paragons of happy chatters and friendly hug types. i'm not excusing anyone's behaviour here, but it's not exactly isolated, is it?
ni!
> The only people who are in love with Sony
> are people who've never actually had to deal
> with Sony.
I had to deal with Sony just over a year ago after the shop I preordered my PS2 from decided they couldn't be arsed sending my forms back to Sony (Tax Free Dixons in Edinburgh Airport FWIW), and my PS2 was delayed by a week or so because of it. But Sony couldn't have been more helpful, phoning me on day of release, and keeping me up-to-date on how they were bollocking Dixons to get it sorted from me. I had a phone call by the end of the day from Dixons telling me when I could pick it up.
/me strokes his PSone's, PS2, Vaio, Clie, minidisc, VHS, hifi, etc Nary a problem with em.
Realistically the guy flashed his drives firmware with another drives firmware, and he fecked it. Big deal. Suck it up that you broke it and move on.
Hmmm, no-one seems to have mentioned Andrew Chaikin's excellent Apollo resource A Man on the Moon - you can read the first few pages of the section on Apollo 1/AS201 using amazon's "Look Inside" feature. If you can't abide to buy anything from amazon for whatever reason, the ISBN is 0140272011 for the most recent paperback edition, and 0783556799 for the bloody expensive illustrative commemorative boxed set edition.
Probably one of the best, most accessible books on the subject of Apollo.
what, I've said it in two places? Whoop-ee.
> Ignoring the blatantly anti-open-source sentiment [...]
what is anti-open-source about giving away the software under the GPL, but asking that people donate something back to the project to get support?