So you're saying that unless I have a medical degree I can't state a fact that to practice medicine, a person needs to pass their boards and get licensed? And what if I have an engineering degree? Does that nix your arguments?
Jarlstrom has clearly presented himself to the press and in his business advertising in Oregon that he is an engineer. It's not just him presenting an opinion. It's mis-representation. If he stated his opinion as a member of the public that would be a different story. The board has already told Jarlstrom that any changes to the traffic lights have to be presented to the city that owns them, not the state board that does not control them.
I did not say anything to counter your arguments. I merely said that other states restrict the term "professional engineer" or" licensed engineer" to distinguish those who have a license as opposed to simply "engineer" to those that do not.
Read my statement again. I said there is an exam to get a license to practice engineering. I did not say you need an exam to practice engineering. If you read the rest of my statement I clearly state that a license is not required to have a career but that it is essential when signing off on plans.
I am very familiar with how the PE system works. I hold an engineering degree. If someone with a PE in aerospace wants to sign blueprints, it's his neck. And his company's too. If something went wrong, one of the first questions asked would be why they would have an aerospace engineer sign off on those blue prints.
As for working in any area of engineering, that's bullshit. As a EE you know jack shit about how a distillation column works or what the stresses on a bridge are. You can work for a chemical company or a construction company but I suspect those companies would never hire you for anything other than EE.
Because the FBI paying people makes them not 3rd party. I think the legal term is "agent of the state". True 3rd party means that they are not working for the FBI. This was one of the arguments Apple used in the San Bernandino phone case; making them produce software for the FBI would make them partly responsible to any activity the FBI would use for that software.
Yeah that's not true at all. Extracting coal is cheap, very cheap.
That's not what I said. I said oil and gas are cheaper.
Let me give you an example. Under the Obama administration, they tightened regulations so much that coal mines in Canada were being shut down because markets dried up. Now under Trump without those regulations, those mines are now re-opening and that's on top of the fact that they have provincial and federal government anti-coal stances in Canada.
And the prices of oil and gas being lower had nothing to do with that?
Another example from Canada, in Alberta they used mainly coal for generating electricity
And that's realistically the only market left. Here are all the markets that used to use coal: homes, businesses, trains, power plants. Which market is left: power plants.
Why the fuck would you not mine coal if there is a market for it and if you can sell something back to China why not?
Did you miss the part about cost? If it's cheaper to buy oil than coal, why would you buy coal? Do you think China would not buy cheaper Middle Eastern oil as opposed to more expensive American coal? Also China would never buy American coal as China has a large supply of coal themselves.
He said he was going to end H1B abuse. Given giant outsourcing companies like Tech Mahindra are sounding the alarm bells and directly blaming Trump after taking about a 33% hit on their net profits I can't see how you could make any rational argument that he's actually NOT following through on what he said he would.
And how would that bring back coal jobs? I don't see many people from Tech Mahindra working in a coal mine.
Also WTF does coal have to do with this?
You mean as an example of Trump making promises that he can't deliver and why people shouldn't believe anything he says?
I don't remember anywhere that Jarlstrom was banned from talking about traffic lights. What he was fined for doing was using the term "engineer" to describe himself while doing it. In this particular case, the State Board told Jarlstrom very early in his complaint that the traffic lights in question were under the control of the city (I think it was Beaverton) and that he needed to bring the issue up with them.
Something less reported was that Jarlstrom was interested in an upcoming seat on the State Board; however, the position he wanted requires a license which he does not have. I believe there are positions that do not require licenses but they are not open at the moment.
Interesting. Now I believe lawyers are also effectively registered in one state. So has a lawyer ever been fined for referring to themselves as a lawyer in a state other than that in which they are registered?
No. A lawyer is licensed to practice in a state. Other states recognize that lawyer's license in his/her state; however, to practice in another state, a lawyer has to get licensed if they intend to practice law. All states will grant exceptions if the lawyer is only trying one case and will grant temporary status. I believe the term is hac pro vice.
Under Oregon law, you have to be a licensed engineer to call yourself one publicly. For other states, they add clarifications like "professional engineer" or "licensed engineer"
In the world of engineering, like in Law and Medicine, getting a degree does not automatically confer a title. There is an examination process to get a license to practice engineering in all states and many countries. For any work which involves signing off plans like construction plans, a licensed engineer's signature is required for approval. For some disciplines like Electrical Engineering it is not essential to a career to get one as they rarely will sign off on construction plans.
However as an electrical engineer, what expertise would that give him when it comes to traffic patterns and traffic light timing? I don't see anything that would qualify him to provide any expertise in these matters.
Seriously does anyone believe anything Trump says? Some of what he says is basically nonsense. For example, he promised to bring back coal mining jobs. So how does he plan to do that? While people would like to blame environmental regulations on the downtrend in coal, the most obvious reasons have nothing to do with regulations. Gas and oil are cheaper than coal as coal is much more labor intensive to obtain. Also fewer and fewer industries are using coal and currently the coal supply far exceeds demand. The situation for coal is that there is way more supply than demand and the alternatives like oil are cheaper. Removing regulations would do little to reverse these trends. Yet somehow he's going to bring back these jobs.
Well are you sure sure MS isn't doing the same thing with IE? Also for most businesses I've seen they are starting to recommend Chrome over IE and Edge because it just works. So many sites don't work with IE or Edge.
The title of the paper is: "Bypassing Negative Epistasis on Yield in Tomato Imposed by a Domestication Gene"
The title of the Nature article is: "Fixing the tomato: CRISPR edits correct plant-breeding snafu".
Contrary to what the titles says, scientists are not "perfecting" the tomato in that they are trying to correct for a combination of two mutations by using CRISPR. The mutations are present because of a previous attempt at cross-breeding a wild tomato species with a commercial one.
Nowhere did I say that ALL mainframes use Unix. However, if there are mainframes, there's a chance it is using Unix still. You of all people should know that mainframes ran Unix or VMS originally.
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Jarlstrom has clearly presented himself to the press and in his business advertising in Oregon that he is an engineer. It's not just him presenting an opinion. It's mis-representation. If he stated his opinion as a member of the public that would be a different story. The board has already told Jarlstrom that any changes to the traffic lights have to be presented to the city that owns them, not the state board that does not control them.
I did not say anything to counter your arguments. I merely said that other states restrict the term "professional engineer" or" licensed engineer" to distinguish those who have a license as opposed to simply "engineer" to those that do not.
Read my statement again. I said there is an exam to get a license to practice engineering. I did not say you need an exam to practice engineering. If you read the rest of my statement I clearly state that a license is not required to have a career but that it is essential when signing off on plans.
How does being a doctor provide any expertise in traffic engineering?
By that argument, that describes all of engineering. So people with Math degrees can do engineering?
I am very familiar with how the PE system works. I hold an engineering degree. If someone with a PE in aerospace wants to sign blueprints, it's his neck. And his company's too. If something went wrong, one of the first questions asked would be why they would have an aerospace engineer sign off on those blue prints.
As for working in any area of engineering, that's bullshit. As a EE you know jack shit about how a distillation column works or what the stresses on a bridge are. You can work for a chemical company or a construction company but I suspect those companies would never hire you for anything other than EE.
Because the FBI paying people makes them not 3rd party. I think the legal term is "agent of the state". True 3rd party means that they are not working for the FBI. This was one of the arguments Apple used in the San Bernandino phone case; making them produce software for the FBI would make them partly responsible to any activity the FBI would use for that software.
That depends on the state. But yes report any lawyers to your state board.
Apparently you do if you're commenting on an article about whether or not an engineer can call themselves one.
Yeah that's not true at all. Extracting coal is cheap, very cheap.
That's not what I said. I said oil and gas are cheaper.
Let me give you an example. Under the Obama administration, they tightened regulations so much that coal mines in Canada were being shut down because markets dried up. Now under Trump without those regulations, those mines are now re-opening and that's on top of the fact that they have provincial and federal government anti-coal stances in Canada.
And the prices of oil and gas being lower had nothing to do with that?
Another example from Canada, in Alberta they used mainly coal for generating electricity
And that's realistically the only market left. Here are all the markets that used to use coal: homes, businesses, trains, power plants. Which market is left: power plants.
Why the fuck would you not mine coal if there is a market for it and if you can sell something back to China why not?
Did you miss the part about cost? If it's cheaper to buy oil than coal, why would you buy coal? Do you think China would not buy cheaper Middle Eastern oil as opposed to more expensive American coal? Also China would never buy American coal as China has a large supply of coal themselves.
He said he was going to end H1B abuse. Given giant outsourcing companies like Tech Mahindra are sounding the alarm bells and directly blaming Trump after taking about a 33% hit on their net profits I can't see how you could make any rational argument that he's actually NOT following through on what he said he would.
And how would that bring back coal jobs? I don't see many people from Tech Mahindra working in a coal mine.
Also WTF does coal have to do with this?
You mean as an example of Trump making promises that he can't deliver and why people shouldn't believe anything he says?
I don't remember anywhere that Jarlstrom was banned from talking about traffic lights. What he was fined for doing was using the term "engineer" to describe himself while doing it. In this particular case, the State Board told Jarlstrom very early in his complaint that the traffic lights in question were under the control of the city (I think it was Beaverton) and that he needed to bring the issue up with them.
Something less reported was that Jarlstrom was interested in an upcoming seat on the State Board; however, the position he wanted requires a license which he does not have. I believe there are positions that do not require licenses but they are not open at the moment.
Interesting. Now I believe lawyers are also effectively registered in one state. So has a lawyer ever been fined for referring to themselves as a lawyer in a state other than that in which they are registered?
No. A lawyer is licensed to practice in a state. Other states recognize that lawyer's license in his/her state; however, to practice in another state, a lawyer has to get licensed if they intend to practice law. All states will grant exceptions if the lawyer is only trying one case and will grant temporary status. I believe the term is hac pro vice.
Under Oregon law, you have to be a licensed engineer to call yourself one publicly. For other states, they add clarifications like "professional engineer" or "licensed engineer"
In the world of engineering, like in Law and Medicine, getting a degree does not automatically confer a title. There is an examination process to get a license to practice engineering in all states and many countries. For any work which involves signing off plans like construction plans, a licensed engineer's signature is required for approval. For some disciplines like Electrical Engineering it is not essential to a career to get one as they rarely will sign off on construction plans. However as an electrical engineer, what expertise would that give him when it comes to traffic patterns and traffic light timing? I don't see anything that would qualify him to provide any expertise in these matters.
Seriously does anyone believe anything Trump says? Some of what he says is basically nonsense. For example, he promised to bring back coal mining jobs. So how does he plan to do that? While people would like to blame environmental regulations on the downtrend in coal, the most obvious reasons have nothing to do with regulations. Gas and oil are cheaper than coal as coal is much more labor intensive to obtain. Also fewer and fewer industries are using coal and currently the coal supply far exceeds demand. The situation for coal is that there is way more supply than demand and the alternatives like oil are cheaper. Removing regulations would do little to reverse these trends. Yet somehow he's going to bring back these jobs.
No criticizing Chrome but praising IE/Edge when they both do the same thing is called hypocrisy.
Well are you sure sure MS isn't doing the same thing with IE? Also for most businesses I've seen they are starting to recommend Chrome over IE and Edge because it just works. So many sites don't work with IE or Edge.
"No the server isn't down. You must be using it wrong, idiot." *unplugs coffee maker, plugs server back in*
Well Thompson is disbarred in Florida so that is not likely.
While state bars are independent of each other, disbarment in one state means the end to a legal career in all states.
The title of the Nature article is: "Fixing the tomato: CRISPR edits correct plant-breeding snafu".
Contrary to what the titles says, scientists are not "perfecting" the tomato in that they are trying to correct for a combination of two mutations by using CRISPR. The mutations are present because of a previous attempt at cross-breeding a wild tomato species with a commercial one.
Nowhere did I say that ALL mainframes use Unix. However, if there are mainframes, there's a chance it is using Unix still. You of all people should know that mainframes ran Unix or VMS originally.
You mean besides mainframes which is still being used by big banks?