Honestly, education starts with being burned. Its 2005 and we're still trying to convince people that driving without seatbelts or racing other commuters, or... insert public safety campaign here... is a bad idea.
It gains traction when folks who are spreading it are having their feet held to the fire.
I'm not being an elitist jerk, I'm sayin that owning a computer is as much a responsibility as any thing else in life. You own a car, you're responsible for what you do with it. If your car is blowing up regularly, you might want to seek a new manufacturer.
Here's my take onWhy people are wowed by MHz numbers on consoles
Lets call it the iPod Effect. Our peers sell us products, and they're very good at playing broken telephone with overhyped specs. Overhype the numbers, the peers will adopt the 'tone' of your specification announcements, thereby adding hype onto something that was overhyped to begin with. I have a hard time imagining that things are done with way in a calculated means, but I think thats the net effect of hype.. other people feel that, and add inaccuracies upon your own. It's great salemanship, even if its not exactly calculated as such.
Sony and MS have money to burn when it comes to hardware and raw numbers so they try and play it up to their respective advantages as much as possible. Whether by altruism or simply shrewed strategy, Nintendo is pretty cool for being 'responsible' in not making hyperbolic overqualified supposedly quantifyable statements. Maybe they even feel that inffusing these numbers into the minds of the buying public actually does the market a disservice. Maybe I'm living in a gumdrop world, with bubblegum houses and candycane lane. Or maybe quoting raw theoretical numbers that do not in any way provide any insight as to the power of the console is a tad shady. You decide.
14:48] KraftBoy: Nintendo has been pushing this 'performance isnt everything' mantra [14:48] KraftBoy: they say the Revolution will be 2 or 3 times as powerful as the gamecube [14:49] KraftBoy: Sony says PS3 is 30 times the power of the PS2 [14:49] KraftBoy: MS says the Xbox360 is 15 times as powerful as the first xbox [14:49] KraftBoy: if people dont dig the offering of Sony and/or MS, then Nintendo looks like a genius for purposefully underhyping the power of the console [14:50] KraftBoy: I get the feeling that people are gunna be like, "Great, Halo 3, same game, better graphics" [14:50] KraftBoy: or GTA: Mississagua, same game, better graphics [14:51] KraftBoy: they come come away looking smart for realizing that the market is getting bored of bying the same game 4 times, each time with cosmetic upgrades
Nintendo is always bashed for recycling the same games. How can this be? They recycle the same *charcters*, but I can't think of too many Sony properties or franchises that have undergone the kind of radical transformations that the gameplay of Mario or Metroid titles have undergone. (GTA 1 wasn't much of a big seller, y'know.)
99% of the Mario platformers were awesome (tho Sunshine underwhelmed me.) Metroid? If you've played Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, nuff said. For those who havn't, the game was legendary in 2D, and the 3D first person (!) leap, if anything, *improved* the gameplay.
I think Nintendo is playing a strategy here. If performance meant anything, nobody would have bought a single PS2 after the day the GameCube was released. MARKETING is the operative strategy here. Just like Nintendo got too big for its britches, I think they realize that if they downplay performance, and Sony and MS can't live up to the "Its 30 times more powerful than the PS2" claim (which, as pointed out about, is a laugh to anybody with an once of BS detection in their bones), people might start realizing that it ain't the performance, its the games.
The games (and their time to market, of course) is what got the PS and the PS2 their place in history. Now that Sony and MS are pushing the performance advantage angle, I think Nintendo realizes it can do exactly what Sony did... focus on the games, the library, the 3rd party developers. I've shown off Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4, etc to Sony or PC headz, and they couldn't believe this stuff flew under their radars. The games are great quality for Game Cube.. there just arn't nearly enough of them.
Sheesh, its almost a mirror image from the PS/N64 situation - sexier technology != higher sales. Release dates aside (it practically looks like all companies WANT to release at the same time.. being first can be as big a gamble as being 3rd depending on the purchasing cycle of the market,) I think Nintendo is stepping away from the other two companies so it doesn't get lumped in with the invitable backlash. Halo 3.. its.. its Halo 2, but more polygons! Woot!
Now, I realize there are tons of other ways Nintendo works against itself:
1. Not enough advertising. Their name is not household anymore with the 16-21 year old set, so heres to hoping they know this and plan to push the Revolution in TV, etc.
2. No shame in cozying up to the kiddie crowd. I think thats just a reality that disaffected cool teens will have to accept if they want access to the kind of graphical and gameplay orgasms that is Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, etc.
All that said, Xbox outsold Gamecube, and who made a profit? Nintendo had to compete against a company that knew, neh, committed itself to ending up in the red, and they still managed a respectable share of the market place, and still turned a profit.
So really, all things being equal, what company is more impressive? The one that throws money away for the sake of getting their name in front of your eyes for every minute that you play video games, or the company that works on stuff it thinks is cool, and manages to make money off of it to boot?
[sarcasm]In fact, I advocate taking anybody working on anything deemed less bad than child pornography and put them on it. In fact, we should not be working on anything except for child pornography. Actually, there are some dudes working on petty things like identity theft, corperate misdeeds, murders, grand theft auto, etc.... [/sarcasm]
why does the casual observer allow objectivity and reasonable thought to fall by the wayside when dealing with the very things that require them the most?
I was a sexual abuse victim when I was young, and I dont see whats so bad about the parent post. Child pornography department just fills in the vacant slot or two and the experts train the newbies. Thats how it should be done.. let the domain knowledge permeate the entire law enforcement departments that deal with online crime. You're not dismantling the original group, you're just letting them share some of their expertise with other departments that so clearly need them.. expertise they had no choice in gaining from working in such an important field.
There doesn't seem to be much motivation to put that kind of knowledge on spam enforcement, but I think the parent poster is right: why isn't there? Obviously spam isn't nearly as bad as child pornography, but judging by some of the porn sites they advertise via unsolicited spam, the industries certainly intertwine. Its not like a potential victim becomes a stupid slut who made her own decision to sell her body the second she goes from non-legal to legal age. I've seen enough stuff in my lifetime to know that claiming you're a consentual adult isn't exactly 100% true if somebody is pulling your strings.
The technology, sure, whatever, it might one day be real.
But Nintendo simply does not release very many product hype/demo videos. They have always preferred demoing new stuff at shows.. the 'tone' of the video simply does not co-incide with Nintendo's marketing style.
Between my PS2 and my CG, when I want to play 5 minutes before I go out or whatnot, the PS2 isn't even worth tunring on. The load times for most games are enormous.
Things should always load in the background.. God of War got it right, but in general, there is WAY too much load time in PS2 games.
But it seems like years ago that I played the game Metroid Prime, and it was absolutely incredible in terms of pre-emptive loading.
It still bugs the shit out of me that most games make you prompt 2 or 3 times to write to a flash card.. select, confirm, dismiss dialog. I just want game.
Sony and MS are still exploring whether the games console is the best way to introduce the executive-wet-dream they like to call 'converage'. One device, for everything you need. One vendor. Total market share across horizontal markets such as TV, movies, music and games. I like the fact that Nintendo doesn't give a god damn what their machines do except let you play fun games non-stop.
Nintendo, and this is coming from somebody with a Game Cube and 15 games, would never release anything like this. See all around the intarweb for the debunks; and none of the major game networks claimed it was anything than a fan based concept deal.
Plug: Not owning either of the two Metroid Primes or Resident Evil 4 should be considered a crime.
PS. I plan on selling very low cost beer, but only if you drink it from a glass from a partner who hooks me up with suckers who pay MILLIONS for beer, if I pass him business.
Its market collusion if its true. How can it not be?
I like how the invisble hand has been replaced by the guy in that cubible over there.
State set prices, corprately set prices.. whats the diff?
Sure they have the option to do this, but holy shit, that venerable Honda car on a Toyato road argument, when all it is is just rubber tires on a concrete surface, strengthens by the day.
When you consider that western countries enjoy a very high quality of life compared to other countries, its easy to make the argument that people live 'well enough' to not have to care about whether Foo or Bar is running the country.
From other vantage points, Kerry and Bush would basically do the same things, only with different ways of justifying it to their voter base. (Same here in Canada, etc.)
Mind you, I'm not suggesting that the system isn't currently broken; rather simply that not enough shit has hit the fan yet for people to be forced into caring.
Its the old adage where you don't really care why your neighbours are being arrested until they come for you. Same principle. Enough people are enjoying worry free lives (save for the material worry we create to substitute for real worries such as where is my next meal coming from) such that we just havn't hit a critical mass of folks who think we need a substantial change.
To even think that legislation will be technical enough to mandate or change traffic prioritization seems naive to me. In fact, if anything, it seems much more likely companies will be doing this, along the same lines as the age old question: If Car Maker A made roads, would they only let Car Maker A cars on?
Mind you, I realize that lobbiests are always trying to make the law enforce technical means of market tampering, but that to me would suggest that the big companies would WANT regulation.. if the government was in their pocket. (Ie, regulations would always go in their favour.)
I dont mind market regulation as a means of making sure current market leaders cant artificially inflate the barrier to entry for competitors. Its crazy.. lobbiests get their way, and we shrug. Fact of life. If the power goes even slightly in the other direction, people get concerned. There is plenty more influence peddling in the corperate -> government direction, and for now, thats the shit that'll make my ears perk up.
They're both faulty, but hey, thats humanity. I like a balance. Compromises rule.
Bingo. I mean, assembler level hacks are cool, and I'm sure are useful for well funded attack networks, but I'm pretty sure that social engineering hacks are easily your best bet.
Or just the direct blackmail route, which a recent article pointed out was a very difficult attack to fight.
I just think its cool. I'm a typical good C programmer without much background in the lower languages and workings of hardware. It's interesting to see the thought processes that goes into these things.
I expect a few yawns on such an old topic, but hey,/. isn't a school, its a hobby. I do what I do well, and/. has been a decent place for many years for nerds to read nerd stuff outside of their own areas of expertise.
He *was*, however, crutial towards the development of a bunch of parrots who mistakeningly think attacking a strawman is a spectator sport we're interesting in watching.
that and keep-alive over ssl and.. man, the list goes on with ie.
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> In order to speed up delivery of content, Google Web Accelerator may retrieve webpage content that you did not request
Kinda scary if you're one or two links away from illegal content. Is this an issue, say, if you end up with bad material cached on your machine, or is it just inherently obvious that if you're concerned about these sorts of things, you dont use it?
Incidentally, seperating code from view from data is probably the most effective way of cutting bandwidth. A report you look at 20 times a day, with different data, will download the file 20 times. The 'view' layer doesn't need to be downloaded again.. just the data!
This is why CSS is a good thing. You're not downloading the look & feel of the site every time you make a non-cached request. Getting the data out of their too would go a long way towards cutting down on the amount of useless bits browsers have to download over and over again.
When a large industry has trouble enforcing rules it effectively set (speficially copyright terms and reductions on what constitutes fair use,) and begins to use Boy Scouts to 'spread the gospel'/'indoctrinate', you have to wonder if the law really is in the interest of the people.
Yet another case of people serving the economy, as opposed to vice versa.
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Thats the "Terms and Conditions can change at any time" part of the fine print you forgot to read.
Word.
... insert public safety campaign here ... is a bad idea.
Honestly, education starts with being burned. Its 2005 and we're still trying to convince people that driving without seatbelts or racing other commuters, or
It gains traction when folks who are spreading it are having their feet held to the fire.
I'm not being an elitist jerk, I'm sayin that owning a computer is as much a responsibility as any thing else in life. You own a car, you're responsible for what you do with it. If your car is blowing up regularly, you might want to seek a new manufacturer.
the launch titles will be Duke Nukem and Team Fortress 2
Don't tell me blowing up Square One wouldn't be the fuckin bomb! ;)
Here's my take onWhy people are wowed by MHz numbers on consoles
.. other people feel that, and add inaccuracies upon your own. It's great salemanship, even if its not exactly calculated as such.
Lets call it the iPod Effect. Our peers sell us products, and they're very good at playing broken telephone with overhyped specs. Overhype the numbers, the peers will adopt the 'tone' of your specification announcements, thereby adding hype onto something that was overhyped to begin with. I have a hard time imagining that things are done with way in a calculated means, but I think thats the net effect of hype
Sony and MS have money to burn when it comes to hardware and raw numbers so they try and play it up to their respective advantages as much as possible. Whether by altruism or simply shrewed strategy, Nintendo is pretty cool for being 'responsible' in not making hyperbolic overqualified supposedly quantifyable statements. Maybe they even feel that inffusing these numbers into the minds of the buying public actually does the market a disservice. Maybe I'm living in a gumdrop world, with bubblegum houses and candycane lane. Or maybe quoting raw theoretical numbers that do not in any way provide any insight as to the power of the console is a tad shady. You decide.
IMed to a friend about 4 hours ago:
... focus on the games, the library, the 3rd party developers. I've shown off Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4, etc to Sony or PC headz, and they couldn't believe this stuff flew under their radars. The games are great quality for Game Cube .. there just arn't nearly enough of them.
.. being first can be as big a gamble as being 3rd depending on the purchasing cycle of the market,) I think Nintendo is stepping away from the other two companies so it doesn't get lumped in with the invitable backlash. Halo 3 .. its .. its Halo 2, but more polygons! Woot!
14:48] KraftBoy: Nintendo has been pushing this 'performance isnt everything' mantra
[14:48] KraftBoy: they say the Revolution will be 2 or 3 times as powerful as the gamecube
[14:49] KraftBoy: Sony says PS3 is 30 times the power of the PS2
[14:49] KraftBoy: MS says the Xbox360 is 15 times as powerful as the first xbox
[14:49] KraftBoy: if people dont dig the offering of Sony and/or MS, then Nintendo looks like a genius for purposefully underhyping the power of the console
[14:50] KraftBoy: I get the feeling that people are gunna be like, "Great, Halo 3, same game, better graphics"
[14:50] KraftBoy: or GTA: Mississagua, same game, better graphics
[14:51] KraftBoy: they come come away looking smart for realizing that the market is getting bored of bying the same game 4 times, each time with cosmetic upgrades
Nintendo is always bashed for recycling the same games. How can this be? They recycle the same *charcters*, but I can't think of too many Sony properties or franchises that have undergone the kind of radical transformations that the gameplay of Mario or Metroid titles have undergone. (GTA 1 wasn't much of a big seller, y'know.)
99% of the Mario platformers were awesome (tho Sunshine underwhelmed me.) Metroid? If you've played Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, nuff said. For those who havn't, the game was legendary in 2D, and the 3D first person (!) leap, if anything, *improved* the gameplay.
I think Nintendo is playing a strategy here. If performance meant anything, nobody would have bought a single PS2 after the day the GameCube was released. MARKETING is the operative strategy here. Just like Nintendo got too big for its britches, I think they realize that if they downplay performance, and Sony and MS can't live up to the "Its 30 times more powerful than the PS2" claim (which, as pointed out about, is a laugh to anybody with an once of BS detection in their bones), people might start realizing that it ain't the performance, its the games.
The games (and their time to market, of course) is what got the PS and the PS2 their place in history. Now that Sony and MS are pushing the performance advantage angle, I think Nintendo realizes it can do exactly what Sony did
Sheesh, its almost a mirror image from the PS/N64 situation - sexier technology != higher sales. Release dates aside (it practically looks like all companies WANT to release at the same time
Now, I realize there are tons of other ways Nintendo works against itself:
1. Not enough advertising. Their name is not household anymore with the 16-21 year old set, so heres to hoping they know this and plan to push the Revolution in TV, etc.
2. No shame in cozying up to the kiddie crowd. I think thats just a reality that disaffected cool teens will have to accept if they want access to the kind of graphical and gameplay orgasms that is Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness, etc.
All that said, Xbox outsold Gamecube, and who made a profit? Nintendo had to compete against a company that knew, neh, committed itself to ending up in the red, and they still managed a respectable share of the market place, and still turned a profit.
So really, all things being equal, what company is more impressive? The one that throws money away for the sake of getting their name in front of your eyes for every minute that you play video games, or the company that works on stuff it thinks is cool, and manages to make money off of it to boot?
[sarcasm]In fact, I advocate taking anybody working on anything deemed less bad than child pornography and put them on it. In fact, we should not be working on anything except for child pornography. Actually, there are some dudes working on petty things like identity theft, corperate misdeeds, murders, grand theft auto, etc .... [/sarcasm]
.. let the domain knowledge permeate the entire law enforcement departments that deal with online crime. You're not dismantling the original group, you're just letting them share some of their expertise with other departments that so clearly need them .. expertise they had no choice in gaining from working in such an important field.
why does the casual observer allow objectivity and reasonable thought to fall by the wayside when dealing with the very things that require them the most?
I was a sexual abuse victim when I was young, and I dont see whats so bad about the parent post. Child pornography department just fills in the vacant slot or two and the experts train the newbies. Thats how it should be done
There doesn't seem to be much motivation to put that kind of knowledge on spam enforcement, but I think the parent poster is right: why isn't there? Obviously spam isn't nearly as bad as child pornography, but judging by some of the porn sites they advertise via unsolicited spam, the industries certainly intertwine. Its not like a potential victim becomes a stupid slut who made her own decision to sell her body the second she goes from non-legal to legal age. I've seen enough stuff in my lifetime to know that claiming you're a consentual adult isn't exactly 100% true if somebody is pulling your strings.
You misunderstood my point.
.. the 'tone' of the video simply does not co-incide with Nintendo's marketing style.
The technology, sure, whatever, it might one day be real.
But Nintendo simply does not release very many product hype/demo videos. They have always preferred demoing new stuff at shows
Between my PS2 and my CG, when I want to play 5 minutes before I go out or whatnot, the PS2 isn't even worth tunring on. The load times for most games are enormous.
.. God of War got it right, but in general, there is WAY too much load time in PS2 games.
.. select, confirm, dismiss dialog. I just want game.
Things should always load in the background
But it seems like years ago that I played the game Metroid Prime, and it was absolutely incredible in terms of pre-emptive loading.
It still bugs the shit out of me that most games make you prompt 2 or 3 times to write to a flash card
Sony and MS are still exploring whether the games console is the best way to introduce the executive-wet-dream they like to call 'converage'. One device, for everything you need. One vendor. Total market share across horizontal markets such as TV, movies, music and games. I like the fact that Nintendo doesn't give a god damn what their machines do except let you play fun games non-stop.
How on earth could you even think it was real?
Nintendo, and this is coming from somebody with a Game Cube and 15 games, would never release anything like this. See all around the intarweb for the debunks; and none of the major game networks claimed it was anything than a fan based concept deal.
Plug: Not owning either of the two Metroid Primes or Resident Evil 4 should be considered a crime.
We still need a sarcasm tag ... the ultimate mod-down.
PS. I plan on selling very low cost beer, but only if you drink it from a glass from a partner who hooks me up with suckers who pay MILLIONS for beer, if I pass him business.
Its market collusion if its true. How can it not be?
I like how the invisble hand has been replaced by the guy in that cubible over there.
.. whats the diff?
State set prices, corprately set prices
Sure they have the option to do this, but holy shit, that venerable Honda car on a Toyato road argument, when all it is is just rubber tires on a concrete surface, strengthens by the day.
When you consider that western countries enjoy a very high quality of life compared to other countries, its easy to make the argument that people live 'well enough' to not have to care about whether Foo or Bar is running the country.
From other vantage points, Kerry and Bush would basically do the same things, only with different ways of justifying it to their voter base. (Same here in Canada, etc.)
Mind you, I'm not suggesting that the system isn't currently broken; rather simply that not enough shit has hit the fan yet for people to be forced into caring.
Its the old adage where you don't really care why your neighbours are being arrested until they come for you. Same principle. Enough people are enjoying worry free lives (save for the material worry we create to substitute for real worries such as where is my next meal coming from) such that we just havn't hit a critical mass of folks who think we need a substantial change.
To even think that legislation will be technical enough to mandate or change traffic prioritization seems naive to me. In fact, if anything, it seems much more likely companies will be doing this, along the same lines as the age old question: If Car Maker A made roads, would they only let Car Maker A cars on?
.. if the government was in their pocket. (Ie, regulations would always go in their favour.)
.. lobbiests get their way, and we shrug. Fact of life. If the power goes even slightly in the other direction, people get concerned. There is plenty more influence peddling in the corperate -> government direction, and for now, thats the shit that'll make my ears perk up.
Mind you, I realize that lobbiests are always trying to make the law enforce technical means of market tampering, but that to me would suggest that the big companies would WANT regulation
I dont mind market regulation as a means of making sure current market leaders cant artificially inflate the barrier to entry for competitors. Its crazy
They're both faulty, but hey, thats humanity. I like a balance. Compromises rule.
Go University of Waterloo. Nuff said.
> social engineering
/. isn't a school, its a hobby. I do what I do well, and /. has been a decent place for many years for nerds to read nerd stuff outside of their own areas of expertise.
Bingo. I mean, assembler level hacks are cool, and I'm sure are useful for well funded attack networks, but I'm pretty sure that social engineering hacks are easily your best bet.
Or just the direct blackmail route, which a recent article pointed out was a very difficult attack to fight.
I just think its cool. I'm a typical good C programmer without much background in the lower languages and workings of hardware. It's interesting to see the thought processes that goes into these things.
I expect a few yawns on such an old topic, but hey,
He *was*, however, crutial towards the development of a bunch of parrots who mistakeningly think attacking a strawman is a spectator sport we're interesting in watching.
that and keep-alive over ssl and .. man, the list goes on with ie.
> In order to speed up delivery of content, Google Web Accelerator may retrieve webpage content that you did not request
Kinda scary if you're one or two links away from illegal content. Is this an issue, say, if you end up with bad material cached on your machine, or is it just inherently obvious that if you're concerned about these sorts of things, you dont use it?
Incidentally, seperating code from view from data is probably the most effective way of cutting bandwidth. A report you look at 20 times a day, with different data, will download the file 20 times. The 'view' layer doesn't need to be downloaded again .. just the data!
This is why CSS is a good thing. You're not downloading the look & feel of the site every time you make a non-cached request. Getting the data out of their too would go a long way towards cutting down on the amount of useless bits browsers have to download over and over again.
You can pretty much do it anyways, and most browsers support it, right?
When a large industry has trouble enforcing rules it effectively set (speficially copyright terms and reductions on what constitutes fair use,) and begins to use Boy Scouts to 'spread the gospel'/'indoctrinate', you have to wonder if the law really is in the interest of the people.
Yet another case of people serving the economy, as opposed to vice versa.
Man, its not the quality of your network, its how fucking sexy the hardware is!
The scientific arms race between rebels and agents continues!