NickeB, you almost seem to have some personal grudge against Piratbyrån?;-) Although I to not support their demand for the abolishment of all IP I maintain my position that it's good that someone makes some noise. A lot of the things they are advocating are things that I think should be legal (e.g. all copying for personal use). And look at their "Småpiraterna" campaign*. I think it's brilliant.
* "Småpiraterna" means "the little pirates" and is a web page about how parents can download movies, games etc for their children. Statements like "Now I don't have to chose between cartoons and new boots. She can have both" (my transaltion) are mixed with advertising style pictures of parents and children.
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It's unfortunate that piratbyrån get's this kind of publicity, but I'll try to fill you in.
Sorry . . . But I did submit it under "It's Funny, Laugh";-) Basically, I agree with you but I do think it's good that someone starts making some noise. I am not against IP but I do think that we need a discussion about it in society. Nowadays, all you hear (except on/. and a few other sites) is the people crying "theft".
"Sit on a big pipe and inspect x% of the p2p packets going through you."
OK, that would work. But it still would not be exact. I never listen to Britney, Madona etc but very many people do. If royalties were based on statistics, wouldn't some of my money still go to them instead of the less known artists whose statistics may be so low that they don't get a share?
"If you think no one can know *exactly* what you are downloading . .."
Well, of course someone can know exactly what any one user downloads. But I seriously doubt that anyone could keep track of all user's downloads and use the data in any menaningful way.
I think that there is actually a fair number of people who would be prepared to pay. As long as the price and other conditions are fair (e.g. no annoying DRM).
Personally, I do not really support this kind of soulution. The problem is that I cannot see how the money can be divided amongst the rights holders in a reasonable way. The same goes for taxes/fees on blank media, by the way. How can anyone know what I download or copy? If they cannot know that they cannot distribute the money fairly and if they can . . . Well, then there are serious privacy implications.
What were these guys thinking when they resurrected an advertising clause?
Showing my ignorance here perhaps . . . But didn't an advertising clause, in the traditional BSD sense, require you to credit someone in advertising? This license seems to do the opposite and simply state that you cannot use their trademark in your advertising without their permission?
"The best thing is, the software is opensource. We can just remove the ads."
Yeah, and what will the advertisers think about that? Will they understand that users are allowed to remove the ads and even redistribute the ad free version? If they do, they will probably be somewhat less likely to pay serious money and if they don't they're going to be rather upset with Mandrake when they find out...
If only more people would realise this. The RIAA shouts "theft" as loud as they can it seems like far too many people accept that analogy without thinking. I agree completely with the reasoning expressed above. I have downloaded lots of music that I was not prepared to pay for. I have later bought some of it because I found out that it actually was worth paying for.
Oh, and to avoid lawsuits I would like to point out that here in Sweden it is perfectly legal to download music, though not for much longer as the Swedish EUCD implementation is on its way.
My thoughts exactly... I would much rather donate to someone who was actually fighting back. Even if donations would help the girl and her mother it would, essentially, be like donating to the RIAA.
Seriously, this should actually work. You do not automatically waive all rights just by posting to usenet. I don't think disk space or bandwidth is the only thing stopping them from archiving binaries. If they were not concerned about getting sued, wouldn't they at least archive all the popular binaries (i.e. porn and warez)? They could easily become the world's largest pay site;-)
Using "I might want to copy it to a friend" as an argument for being able to buy the songs in a lossless format won't exactly help..
Thought it is a perfectly legitimate reason... Personally, I would also be much more inclined to pay for music in a lossless format than for mp3. Mp3s just aren't the real thing.;-)
Actually there have been *some* voices raised against the proposed Swedish law in the press. But in general, they just reported that there would be a change in the law and they made lots of errors in that reporting because journalists cannot be bothered to actually read the laws they're writing about.
Here in Sweden we've had number portability for a while now. I've switched providers twice allready. There is only one real problem in my experience. You don't know which network the people you're calling are on and most service providers have different rates depending on whether your call stays inside their network or not. Thus, I cannot know what my call will cost.:-/ Before portability, you could tell from the number.
Not that I want to be seen as too negative or anti progress but, why would I want to do that? The web is bloated as it is. All the animations and stuff that disturb you when you read a text:-/
I know several teachers who have a hard time getting their pupils to understand that information they find on the internet is not necessarily acurate. Teaching people to be critical is a majour task for schools, I think.
I agree completely. My girlfriend told me the other day that she'd refered to Tux in a discussion with some fellow university students. When they didn't understand she said "You know, the Linux penguin". Apparently they had never even heard of Linux.
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* "Småpiraterna" means "the little pirates" and is a web page about how parents can download movies, games etc for their children. Statements like "Now I don't have to chose between cartoons and new boots. She can have both" (my transaltion) are mixed with advertising style pictures of parents and children.
Brilliant, I'll definitely quote you some day. ;-)
Sorry . . . But I did submit it under "It's Funny, Laugh" ;-) Basically, I agree with you but I do think it's good that someone starts making some noise. I am not against IP but I do think that we need a discussion about it in society. Nowadays, all you hear (except on /. and a few other sites) is the people crying "theft".
OK, that would work. But it still would not be exact. I never listen to Britney, Madona etc but very many people do. If royalties were based on statistics, wouldn't some of my money still go to them instead of the less known artists whose statistics may be so low that they don't get a share?
"If you think no one can know *exactly* what you are downloading . . ."
Well, of course someone can know exactly what any one user downloads. But I seriously doubt that anyone could keep track of all user's downloads and use the data in any menaningful way.
I think that there is actually a fair number of people who would be prepared to pay. As long as the price and other conditions are fair (e.g. no annoying DRM).
Personally, I do not really support this kind of soulution. The problem is that I cannot see how the money can be divided amongst the rights holders in a reasonable way. The same goes for taxes/fees on blank media, by the way. How can anyone know what I download or copy? If they cannot know that they cannot distribute the money fairly and if they can . . . Well, then there are serious privacy implications.
Yeah, and what will the advertisers think about that? Will they understand that users are allowed to remove the ads and even redistribute the ad free version? If they do, they will probably be somewhat less likely to pay serious money and if they don't they're going to be rather upset with Mandrake when they find out...
The same applies to the Swedish .se. Only my my name and the regdate shows up for my domain.
Oh, and to avoid lawsuits I would like to point out that here in Sweden it is perfectly legal to download music, though not for much longer as the Swedish EUCD implementation is on its way.
My thoughts exactly... I would much rather donate to someone who was actually fighting back. Even if donations would help the girl and her mother it would, essentially, be like donating to the RIAA.
LOL, When I opened this is a tab, the tab just said WIPO Pressured to Kill Me ;-)
Seriously, this should actually work. You do not automatically waive all rights just by posting to usenet. I don't think disk space or bandwidth is the only thing stopping them from archiving binaries. If they were not concerned about getting sued, wouldn't they at least archive all the popular binaries (i.e. porn and warez)? They could easily become the world's largest pay site ;-)
True, RARs multimedia compression works quite well on audio, for example.
Now that would be cool. I can certainly imagine myself buying ISOs online. I bet it would require too much bandwith at the seller's end, though
Thought it is a perfectly legitimate reason... Personally, I would also be much more inclined to pay for music in a lossless format than for mp3. Mp3s just aren't the real thing. ;-)
Actually there have been *some* voices raised against the proposed Swedish law in the press. But in general, they just reported that there would be a change in the law and they made lots of errors in that reporting because journalists cannot be bothered to actually read the laws they're writing about.
Here in Sweden we've had number portability for a while now. I've switched providers twice allready. There is only one real problem in my experience. You don't know which network the people you're calling are on and most service providers have different rates depending on whether your call stays inside their network or not. Thus, I cannot know what my call will cost. :-/ Before portability, you could tell from the number.
Not that I want to be seen as too negative or anti progress but, why would I want to do that? The web is bloated as it is. All the animations and stuff that disturb you when you read a text :-/
Not if it's an e-book ;-)
Yeah, sponsored by the Microsoft and the RIAA. *shivers*
Luckily, my schools have been nothing like that. :-) I'm sure that attitude is not uncommon, though.
I know several teachers who have a hard time getting their pupils to understand that information they find on the internet is not necessarily acurate. Teaching people to be critical is a majour task for schools, I think.
I agree completely. My girlfriend told me the other day that she'd refered to Tux in a discussion with some fellow university students. When they didn't understand she said "You know, the Linux penguin". Apparently they had never even heard of Linux.