Mir isn't being released until ubuntu 13.10, and then it will only use xmir. That is, the mir layer isn't doing anything other than introducing another potential layer of bugs, and flipping pages. Seeing as how xmir is 99% xwayland, and mir itself is doing almost nothing at all, I'm not sure I'd call it a "release".
Gnome 3.10 is due to be released on Sept. 25th and is well on its way to having actual wayland support which will beat Ubuntu 13.10's October release date (same with Enlightenment 18 which has partial wayland support). Ubuntu 14.04 is when they expect to start having native (actual) mir support in Unity/ubuntu.
KDE's support is also in the works but further down the line. I think later 2014 or early 2015? Can't find the schedule at the moment. Enlightenment 18 has partial wayland support with full support expected in 19.
FINALLY we're going to be free of X. Of course, I still suspect it will take some time to iron out the wrinkles to the point where the experiences on wayland for the various DE's are relatively bug free and are as smooth as butter.
I think this is a great idea if they can finally start allowing your vita to have multiple accounts at once. Currently, the only way to switch accounts is to reset the thing to factory defaults (which involves watching an annoying video when it starts for the "first" time), as well as format your memory card. This is pretty inconvenient on a portable, but would be flat out ridiculous on more of a home console type system.
Peer review is no panacea. I'm not going to argue against open-source, but open-source is at significant risk too. You can't pull an _NSAKEY but with the resources available to the NSA it is no big feat to weaken an implementation in a non-obvious way.
Silent Circle's approach is that they sell their software to the US and UK government. If the NSA were to require them to install a secret backdoor then the NSA would be compromising the security of all of their government customers because they don't sell two different versions of their software, it is the same for all customers.
Your analogy holds true only if both projects, being Wayland and Mir, are serving the same purpose - They aren't.
Yes, they are both a display server/protocol, and yes, they are designed to replace X, but the goals of each project couldn't be more dissimilar.
Wayland is a long needed update to X that will fix a number of issues and allows for secure buffers that only the application and server can access. Wayland is being designed for the existing Linux desktop market and is a much needed project.
Mir, while adopting some ideas from Wayland, is a completely different beast that will focus on achieving two primary objectives: A display server that runs natively on both desktop and mobile, and, being actively developed and supported by new commercial partner Valve. It makes little sense for Canonical to wait for Wayland and then extend it for these two purposes as doing so will leave Canonical years behind on a shift that is happening NOW.
Wayland is absolutely being developed with mobile and desktops in mind:
From the official wayland site itself (http://wayland.freedesktop.org/):
"Part of the Wayland project is also the Weston reference implementation of a Wayland compositor. Weston can run as an X client or under Linux KMS and ships with a few demo clients. The Weston compositor is a minimal and fast compositor and is suitable for many embedded and mobile use cases."
In fact, while we're on the topic of Android, Canonical took someone else's code (libhybris) for running Wayland on Android drivers to achieve Mir support for android drivers. Here's an article about it from the author of libhybris: http://mer-project.blogspot.fi/2013/04/wayland-utilizing-android-gpu-drivers.html
Quote from the article "Earlier this year however, I discovered that a well-known company had taken the code - disappeared underground with it for several months, improved upon it, utilized the capability in their advertisements and demos and in the end posted the code utilizing their own source control system, detached from any state of that of the upstream project's. Even to the extent some posters around the web thought libhybris was done by that company itself."
Oh yeah, Canonical's criticisms of Wayland (ie, their stated reasons for creating their own display server instead of going with Wayland) were so awful that they had to retract them: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxODY
Regarding Valve's support... Citation please. Last I heard Valve was sticking with X and hadn't made any further comments. Unfortunately I'm unable to find a link to back this up at the moment. I *suspect* Valve is taking a wait and see approach, and they're probably silently hoping Wayland wins as Canonical has stated that Mir has no stable API/ABI, which would make it a nightmare for application developers to support. It's unclear if they'll stabilize the ABI/API in the future, but it's sounding like they won't. This is one of the major reasons why the major desktops don't want to support Mir.
Everyone has been waiting for the Year of Linux on the Desktop; this will bring the goal one step closer. The same goes for an unadulterated Linux on the Mobile where graphical applications are more easily ported from their desktop counterparts.
There is nothing stopping Wayland importing code from Mir and vice versa.
Mir can use Wayland code as Wayland is under the extremely permissive MIT lice
Solaris or illumos Zones on ZFS is what you want then.
Even better is SmartOS (http://smartos.org/)! It's OpenSolaris/Illumos *and* makes use of KVM and Zones (with Copy-On-Write help from ZFS). Yes, they actually ported KVM to the illumos (OpenSolaris) kernel.
No idea if it works on SPARC... but I suspect not. Maybe it will eventually?
I opened this thread to read about the 3DS XL and New Super Mario Bro's 2 (which I've bought via the online shop and I'm downloading on to my regular 3ds). I'm kind of interested in the XL as I'm hoping the larger size will be more accommodating to my adult hands, and the battery life of the 3ds is perhaps even worse than my PS Vita.
That said, thank you for posting this here. After spending $39.99, I've now donated $50 to Ken Starks. I had never heard of the HeliOS project so I had to look it up... You might consider giving a brief summary with it (you're apparently more familiar with it than so I won't do it).
You beat me to it. Gerrold is one of my absolute favorite authors, and The War Against the Chtorr was what inspired me to become a scientist almost twenty years ago. Stylistically, his prose is quite similar to Heinlein's, and gives me the same warm, fuzzy feeling.
And his Star Wolf series is essentially a "realistic" version of Star Trek - kind of what life would be like in a galactic Federation if you weren't serving on the flagship, but were just another cog in the works. The main character even has the same initials as Kirk.
I've never read Star Wolf... but I think I just might now.
I heard that other book about "h.a.r.l.i.e" is good and there's references to it in the Chtorr series. When H.a.r.l.i.e Was Won or something like that?
Frank Herbert *is* underappreciated, but he's no where near being the most underappreciated. That said, I feel like something has to be said here.
The problem is that the masses tend to only like the first book, or at least like it the most without really understanding what the series was supposed to be about...
This is the 1st time ever that I'm replying to myself but I didn't mean to post this anonymously. Ugh.
Dune is great, as long as you don't include anything his kid wrote. I read some of those, thought they were bad. Then they had the final chapter - supposedly from notes left from his dad. I think they pulled a blair witch with a fake finding of something. It was bad. Bad is putting it nicely, it took all the philosophical bent that dune had and wrapped it up into something that was dreary to get through. Also they had to write a few trilogies of mediocre at best sci fi to explain the old couple characters in the last chapter of chapterhouse. Not a good way to wrap up the series and the cliffhanger Herbert left with his death wasn't solved adequately.
Oh I think his kid really did find something... But I doubt he'll ever have the guts to release the 30 or so pages of notes that were found. Kevin Herbert's ending to the series was clearly not where Frank Herbert was going. Oh I'm sure some of it is accurate, but certainly not the major points.
Duncan is the true Kwisatz Haderach (or something like that) and so he merges with an AI that only existed in his Butlerian Jihad books? What about one of the most important themes to Dune that a central and charismatic leader is terrible for humanity because it results in stagnation? And *SPOILER ALERT* what about the whole thing where the Bene Gesserit decide to work with Leto's golden path and bait the Honored Matre's into destroying Arrakis to fully erase Leto's conciousness to free humanity from the trap of prescience? *END SPOILERS*.
All that said, Frank Herbert was certainly going somewhere with Duncan, but I personally have no idea where.
David Gerrold gets my vote. Oh, he's around but his master work is largely unheard of. He wrote the Trouble With Tribbles episode of Star Trek, and one of his books was made into a movie (Martian Child) which I haven't seen...
But his Chtorr series is *amazing* and, sadly, out of print. The Chtorr series is about an alien invasion except the invasion isn't a war in the traditional sense. It's an ecological war and the Chtorran lifeforms are about half a billion years older (more evolved) than our's. Their microbes have been replacing our's and it's gone increasingly further up the food. There seems to be no obvious sentient intelligence in any of the aliens, and there's been no evidence of anything like starships. No one knows where it's coming from, they just know it's not terran.
I really enjoy the writing style. It feels like the author is enjoying himself when he's writing these books, and that makes you enjoy it even more. The books are all from the perspective of the main character. It can get introspective (fine by me) and also it can be preachy at times with the author preaching his ideas. A lot of which I find fascinating regardless of whether I agree with them or not, but there are definitely times when it can get tiresome.
4 books have been written, with each book being superior to the previous book. For something like well over a decade, the 5th book has been marked as "coming soon!". No one really believes it anymore, but hey, duke nuke 'em 3d is out, GNU/Hurd is more or less usable, so why not?
Kudos to Michael Larabel (sic?) of phoronix for not only delivering this news well before anyone else, but also getting it right (even if the dates were off).
For ubuntu/debian, try make-kpkg (apt-get install kernel-package).
Download the tarball, untar, make menuconfig (or whatever you prefer), then do make-kpkg kernel_image (add --initrd if you need an initial ramdisk). There's various other useful options as well. The result is a nice debian kernel package that can be managed by the system. Works much better than the old make bzImage, etc.
I used to do things by hand in debian (and I never really had trouble in debian with this approach, but I haven't tried it in debian since 2000-2001 or so which is when I first learned about make-kpkg). make-kpkg works great in ubuntu as well, obviously. Gentoo's equivalent seems to be genkernel. Otherwise I agree about the rest of those distributions.
Kmail2 has been a nightmare for me as well. I've switched to thunderbird and while it's not terrible, I don't particularly care for it. I'm hoping kmail2 will eventually be un-fucked so I can switch back.
In KDE 4.7, I have issues where sometimes when I click on apps in the task manager, it doesn't bring them up. I get this on my desktop and laptop (Kubuntu). It generally takes another click or 2 for it to work.
I have another issue where sometimes I get 2 programs overlapping in the task manager (you see the text of both), but only one of them is accessible. I can fix it by right clicking, and moving the accessible app to another virtual desktop, then moving it back. Then both apps have distinct task bar entries that work. I had this problem in 4.6 as well, but it also happened much more frequently in 4. so I guess there's been some improvement.
Hmmm... According to the article, these new chips seemed to be based on the bulldozer architecture, so it might be better to think of these opterons as 8 core chips that have really good hyperthreading.
I realize I'm being somewhat redundant here... But I also HIGHLY recommend system76. I'm on my 2nd bonobo class laptop, and I've been very pleased with both. As mentioned before, their systems all ship with ubuntu, but I always immediately reinstall with kubuntu while I leaving 1-2 partitions free for other OS's.
FreeBSD compatibility has been quite good with the exception of the intel wifi support, which FreeBSD eventually ends up supporting anyway. The only real issue I've had with FreeBSD on these laptops has been a distinct lack of power management (but FreeBSD's power management in general is almost non-existent with very very few supported systems). But if you want to install FreeBSD, I'd make sure you get a system76 laptop with an nvidia GPU as linux's open source radeon drivers aren't really there yet (especially in regards to power management)... and FreeBSD's open source radeon support is no where near linux's (and there are no proprietary radeon drivers for FreeBSD either).
I never knew Michael Mann was also a climatologist. I guess this explains the naming of one of my favorite movies: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/ :/
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Then good news! Kubuntu 13.10 isn't shipping with mir: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/lubuntu-kubuntu-decide-against-mir-switch
They do want to. That's why they're supporting wayland. Ie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS
Mir isn't being released until ubuntu 13.10, and then it will only use xmir. That is, the mir layer isn't doing anything other than introducing another potential layer of bugs, and flipping pages. Seeing as how xmir is 99% xwayland, and mir itself is doing almost nothing at all, I'm not sure I'd call it a "release".
Gnome 3.10 is due to be released on Sept. 25th and is well on its way to having actual wayland support which will beat Ubuntu 13.10's October release date (same with Enlightenment 18 which has partial wayland support). Ubuntu 14.04 is when they expect to start having native (actual) mir support in Unity/ubuntu.
KDE's support is also in the works but further down the line. I think later 2014 or early 2015? Can't find the schedule at the moment. Enlightenment 18 has partial wayland support with full support expected in 19.
FINALLY we're going to be free of X. Of course, I still suspect it will take some time to iron out the wrinkles to the point where the experiences on wayland for the various DE's are relatively bug free and are as smooth as butter.
I think this is a great idea if they can finally start allowing your vita to have multiple accounts at once. Currently, the only way to switch accounts is to reset the thing to factory defaults (which involves watching an annoying video when it starts for the "first" time), as well as format your memory card. This is pretty inconvenient on a portable, but would be flat out ridiculous on more of a home console type system.
Peer review is no panacea. I'm not going to argue against open-source, but open-source is at significant risk too. You can't pull an _NSAKEY but with the resources available to the NSA it is no big feat to weaken an implementation in a non-obvious way.
Silent Circle's approach is that they sell their software to the US and UK government. If the NSA were to require them to install a secret backdoor then the NSA would be compromising the security of all of their government customers because they don't sell two different versions of their software, it is the same for all customers.
In fact, I think you may very well be correct. I think it's time for folks to take another look at this story:
http://blogs.csoonline.com/1296/an_fbi_backdoor_in_openbsd
Doesn't seem the chip is actually available anywhere yet. I've also been hearing that September 10th may be the actual launch date.
3.11, linux for workgroups!
And YES, we are going to see almost nothing but comments making variations of this joke.
Your analogy holds true only if both projects, being Wayland and Mir, are serving the same purpose - They aren't.
Yes, they are both a display server/protocol, and yes, they are designed to replace X, but the goals of each project couldn't be more dissimilar.
Wayland is a long needed update to X that will fix a number of issues and allows for secure buffers that only the application and server can access. Wayland is being designed for the existing Linux desktop market and is a much needed project.
Mir, while adopting some ideas from Wayland, is a completely different beast that will focus on achieving two primary objectives: A display server that runs natively on both desktop and mobile, and, being actively developed and supported by new commercial partner Valve. It makes little sense for Canonical to wait for Wayland and then extend it for these two purposes as doing so will leave Canonical years behind on a shift that is happening NOW.
Wayland is absolutely being developed with mobile and desktops in mind: From the official wayland site itself (http://wayland.freedesktop.org/): "Part of the Wayland project is also the Weston reference implementation of a Wayland compositor. Weston can run as an X client or under Linux KMS and ships with a few demo clients. The Weston compositor is a minimal and fast compositor and is suitable for many embedded and mobile use cases."
And that's just the reference compositor.
But there's more. Work to get Wayland running on android about a year before (april 2012) Canonical's Mir announcement : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2012-April/003149.html
In fact, while we're on the topic of Android, Canonical took someone else's code (libhybris) for running Wayland on Android drivers to achieve Mir support for android drivers. Here's an article about it from the author of libhybris: http://mer-project.blogspot.fi/2013/04/wayland-utilizing-android-gpu-drivers.html
Quote from the article "Earlier this year however, I discovered that a well-known company had taken the code - disappeared underground with it for several months, improved upon it, utilized the capability in their advertisements and demos and in the end posted the code utilizing their own source control system, detached from any state of that of the upstream project's. Even to the extent some posters around the web thought libhybris was done by that company itself."
Oh yeah, Canonical's criticisms of Wayland (ie, their stated reasons for creating their own display server instead of going with Wayland) were so awful that they had to retract them: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxODY
Regarding Valve's support... Citation please. Last I heard Valve was sticking with X and hadn't made any further comments. Unfortunately I'm unable to find a link to back this up at the moment. I *suspect* Valve is taking a wait and see approach, and they're probably silently hoping Wayland wins as Canonical has stated that Mir has no stable API/ABI, which would make it a nightmare for application developers to support. It's unclear if they'll stabilize the ABI/API in the future, but it's sounding like they won't. This is one of the major reasons why the major desktops don't want to support Mir.
Everyone has been waiting for the Year of Linux on the Desktop; this will bring the goal one step closer. The same goes for an unadulterated Linux on the Mobile where graphical applications are more easily ported from their desktop counterparts.
There is nothing stopping Wayland importing code from Mir and vice versa.
Mir can use Wayland code as Wayland is under the extremely permissive MIT lice
Solaris or illumos Zones on ZFS is what you want then.
Even better is SmartOS (http://smartos.org/)! It's OpenSolaris/Illumos *and* makes use of KVM and Zones (with Copy-On-Write help from ZFS). Yes, they actually ported KVM to the illumos (OpenSolaris) kernel.
No idea if it works on SPARC... but I suspect not. Maybe it will eventually?
-Cameron
I opened this thread to read about the 3DS XL and New Super Mario Bro's 2 (which I've bought via the online shop and I'm downloading on to my regular 3ds). I'm kind of interested in the XL as I'm hoping the larger size will be more accommodating to my adult hands, and the battery life of the 3ds is perhaps even worse than my PS Vita.
That said, thank you for posting this here. After spending $39.99, I've now donated $50 to Ken Starks. I had never heard of the HeliOS project so I had to look it up... You might consider giving a brief summary with it (you're apparently more familiar with it than so I won't do it).
You beat me to it. Gerrold is one of my absolute favorite authors, and The War Against the Chtorr was what inspired me to become a scientist almost twenty years ago. Stylistically, his prose is quite similar to Heinlein's, and gives me the same warm, fuzzy feeling.
And his Star Wolf series is essentially a "realistic" version of Star Trek - kind of what life would be like in a galactic Federation if you weren't serving on the flagship, but were just another cog in the works. The main character even has the same initials as Kirk.
I've never read Star Wolf... but I think I just might now. I heard that other book about "h.a.r.l.i.e" is good and there's references to it in the Chtorr series. When H.a.r.l.i.e Was Won or something like that?
Frank Herbert *is* underappreciated, but he's no where near being the most underappreciated. That said, I feel like something has to be said here.
The problem is that the masses tend to only like the first book, or at least like it the most without really understanding what the series was supposed to be about...
This is the 1st time ever that I'm replying to myself but I didn't mean to post this anonymously. Ugh.
Dune is great, as long as you don't include anything his kid wrote. I read some of those, thought they were bad. Then they had the final chapter - supposedly from notes left from his dad. I think they pulled a blair witch with a fake finding of something. It was bad. Bad is putting it nicely, it took all the philosophical bent that dune had and wrapped it up into something that was dreary to get through. Also they had to write a few trilogies of mediocre at best sci fi to explain the old couple characters in the last chapter of chapterhouse. Not a good way to wrap up the series and the cliffhanger Herbert left with his death wasn't solved adequately.
Oh I think his kid really did find something... But I doubt he'll ever have the guts to release the 30 or so pages of notes that were found. Kevin Herbert's ending to the series was clearly not where Frank Herbert was going. Oh I'm sure some of it is accurate, but certainly not the major points.
Duncan is the true Kwisatz Haderach (or something like that) and so he merges with an AI that only existed in his Butlerian Jihad books? What about one of the most important themes to Dune that a central and charismatic leader is terrible for humanity because it results in stagnation? And *SPOILER ALERT* what about the whole thing where the Bene Gesserit decide to work with Leto's golden path and bait the Honored Matre's into destroying Arrakis to fully erase Leto's conciousness to free humanity from the trap of prescience? *END SPOILERS*.
All that said, Frank Herbert was certainly going somewhere with Duncan, but I personally have no idea where.
David Gerrold gets my vote. Oh, he's around but his master work is largely unheard of. He wrote the Trouble With Tribbles episode of Star Trek, and one of his books was made into a movie (Martian Child) which I haven't seen...
But his Chtorr series is *amazing* and, sadly, out of print. The Chtorr series is about an alien invasion except the invasion isn't a war in the traditional sense. It's an ecological war and the Chtorran lifeforms are about half a billion years older (more evolved) than our's. Their microbes have been replacing our's and it's gone increasingly further up the food. There seems to be no obvious sentient intelligence in any of the aliens, and there's been no evidence of anything like starships. No one knows where it's coming from, they just know it's not terran.
I really enjoy the writing style. It feels like the author is enjoying himself when he's writing these books, and that makes you enjoy it even more. The books are all from the perspective of the main character. It can get introspective (fine by me) and also it can be preachy at times with the author preaching his ideas. A lot of which I find fascinating regardless of whether I agree with them or not, but there are definitely times when it can get tiresome.
4 books have been written, with each book being superior to the previous book. For something like well over a decade, the 5th book has been marked as "coming soon!". No one really believes it anymore, but hey, duke nuke 'em 3d is out, GNU/Hurd is more or less usable, so why not?
I don't think it's sexist per say, but I do agree it should be removed from the kernel as its immature and unprofessional.
All I have to say to Valve is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QfSzgV1q5g&list=FLvBRX_MN60k-n_Sd8IOuNsQ&index=8&feature=plpp_video
Kudos to Michael Larabel (sic?) of phoronix for not only delivering this news well before anyone else, but also getting it right (even if the dates were off).
Hopefully I get into the beta program...
For ubuntu/debian, try make-kpkg (apt-get install kernel-package).
Download the tarball, untar, make menuconfig (or whatever you prefer), then do make-kpkg kernel_image (add --initrd if you need an initial ramdisk). There's various other useful options as well. The result is a nice debian kernel package that can be managed by the system. Works much better than the old make bzImage, etc.
I used to do things by hand in debian (and I never really had trouble in debian with this approach, but I haven't tried it in debian since 2000-2001 or so which is when I first learned about make-kpkg). make-kpkg works great in ubuntu as well, obviously. Gentoo's equivalent seems to be genkernel. Otherwise I agree about the rest of those distributions.
4.7.3 is the last time I tried it... I have 4.7.4 now, but I haven't got around to trying kmail again just yet because my hopes weren't very high.
But thanks for the heads up!
Kmail2 has been a nightmare for me as well. I've switched to thunderbird and while it's not terrible, I don't particularly care for it. I'm hoping kmail2 will eventually be un-fucked so I can switch back.
In KDE 4.7, I have issues where sometimes when I click on apps in the task manager, it doesn't bring them up. I get this on my desktop and laptop (Kubuntu). It generally takes another click or 2 for it to work.
I have another issue where sometimes I get 2 programs overlapping in the task manager (you see the text of both), but only one of them is accessible. I can fix it by right clicking, and moving the accessible app to another virtual desktop, then moving it back. Then both apps have distinct task bar entries that work. I had this problem in 4.6 as well, but it also happened much more frequently in 4. so I guess there's been some improvement.
Hmmm... According to the article, these new chips seemed to be based on the bulldozer architecture, so it might be better to think of these opterons as 8 core chips that have really good hyperthreading.
I'm not sure what 'rpm -qs' does, but the equivalent of 'rpm -qf file' is 'dpkg -S file'.
I realize I'm being somewhat redundant here... But I also HIGHLY recommend system76. I'm on my 2nd bonobo class laptop, and I've been very pleased with both. As mentioned before, their systems all ship with ubuntu, but I always immediately reinstall with kubuntu while I leaving 1-2 partitions free for other OS's.
FreeBSD compatibility has been quite good with the exception of the intel wifi support, which FreeBSD eventually ends up supporting anyway. The only real issue I've had with FreeBSD on these laptops has been a distinct lack of power management (but FreeBSD's power management in general is almost non-existent with very very few supported systems). But if you want to install FreeBSD, I'd make sure you get a system76 laptop with an nvidia GPU as linux's open source radeon drivers aren't really there yet (especially in regards to power management)... and FreeBSD's open source radeon support is no where near linux's (and there are no proprietary radeon drivers for FreeBSD either).
I never knew Michael Mann was also a climatologist. I guess this explains the naming of one of my favorite movies: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/
:/
X runs on hurd. In debian hurd, KDE 4.6.3 is even available in the repo.