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Linux 3.3 Released
diegocg writes "Linux 3.3 has been released. The changes include the merge of kernel code from the Android project. There is also support for a new architecture (TI C6X), much improved balancing and the ability to restripe between different RAID profiles in Btrfs, and several network improvements: a virtual switch implementation (Open vSwitch) designed for virtualization scenarios, a faster and more scalable alternative to the 'bonding' driver, a configurable limit to the transmission queue of the network devices to fight bufferbloat, a network priority control group and per-cgroup TCP buffer limits. There are also many small features and new drivers and fixes. Here's the full changelog."
Yea!
Finally 1 less reason to use anything windows based. I have been looking forward to the code getting out there. I just hope I can continue to learn without returning to basics.
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The Linux kernel guys show that constant steady frequent releases are the way forwards, note to GNOME and KDE guys, you got it wrong.
So, which will be the first commercial and non-commercial distributions to get it?
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If I deploy a 3.3 guest on a host running 3.3, does it automatically become 3.3 repeating and go on forever?
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Wow, I had no idea there was work in porting Linux to DSP architectures. That's quite an interesting development. I wonder what the use case is, since DSPs are typically used for very specific, real-time work, not for hosting general-purpose operating systems.
Also, it's quite surprising to me since as far as I know it's necessary to use TI's compiler to generate C6X code. I found one initiative to port GCC to it, but afaik it didn't get finished. My understanding is that it is no small job to get Linux to compile on non-supported compilers, so I'm interested in the toolchain they are using. For my own work on a C6711, I've been using the TI compiler under Wine. (Which works fine actually, although I had to generate an initial project in CodeComposer to get some of the board-specific support files.)
Now how many of these features are out of beta and actually work?
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I just rebooted to apply 3.2.11 :(
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Bit rot filesystem?
Windows 8, I have seen the demo's and I just could not stop laughing, "charms" "tiles" what will they think up next. I am happy for you, enjoy it if it is your thing, but I hope you do not mind me paying scant attention to your opinions on my operating system.
Linux is a kernel, not an operating system.
It does appear this means the possibility of running of an entire Android "system" and "apps" under a normal Linux desktop/laptop/tablet, but without emulation. Correct? If so, I can see that being a great thing.
Hey, you can get Unity or Gnome 3!
my own kernel, again. --sigh-- Or at least no more kernel patches until I get a change to review just how much cruft got shoved for Android Support. Fucking Google.
Hey KID! Yeah you, get the fuck off my lawn!
I've been reading for a year about bufferbloat and all these tools designed to mitigate it but none of the explainations make sense to someone who isn't already a traffic control guru.
Can someone explain how, if I'm using a typical Linux system as a firewall between my LAN and a cable modem, I should reconfigure that system if I want to not experience bufferbloat?
You're just jealous that it'll take at least a month after Windows 8 comes out before somebody creates a Metro-style UI for X.
Two to match the colors.
Any improvements to power management? It pains me that my laptop gets 4 hours battery life when in Windows 7 but only 2 hours when in Linux. In both cases it's just idle with nothing special running in the background. Or is this a problem with the distribution?
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Hey, you can get Unity or Gnome 3!
Actually, I was just being a smart ass troll insinuating that Linux is becoming a bug-ridden pile of spaghetti code albeit more-so of a few of the more popular distros rather than the kernel itself. Case in point: Unity
Seriously, they do some good work. I'm excited to see if this fixes sleep on some of the more obscure devices and gives us better power management.
Back in the Middle Ages (late 1990s through about 2004) I remember us all getting excited for new kernel releases, and then all rushing to download the source and build it. (By 'us' i mean myself and local geek friends, as well as our cohorts on various IRC channels).
Nowadays with auto-configuring, rolling release desktop distributions being the norm, is kernel building now only done in server room environments and for non-PC hardware?
This doesn't matter much, I'm just curious.
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user@debian:~$ uname -r
2.6.32-5-amd64
Doesn't apt-get upgrade the kernel or do I have to do something else? I can't be running old Kernels, I'm sure my system will be so much better if I have the newest. Sure, it's an Intel Atom D525 CPU based system, that does nothing but serve pr0n, but that is important!
I am a bit confused with regards to the new team network driver which is going to eventually replace the current bonding net driver. The kernel newbies page says that it is user-space and uses libteam to do its work, but it also says that this new implementation will be more efficient.
How is this so? As network throughput keeps increasing, it is important to process each packet as quickly as possible. That's why network drivers and the packet filter are in the kernel. Wouldn't moving the new team/bonding work to user-space mean a lot more data for the kernel to copy back and forth between kernel and user spaces? And wouldn't this hurt efficiency? I'm sure the computer can keep up in most cases, but it seems this will require more CPU time to handle the work.
Just curious...
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At least a month before somebody creates a Metro-style UI for X.... and 10 years before it becomes stable.
KDE still lacks the simplest functions, like a taskbar that is always 100% of the screen width. Annoys me every day.
We already have dozens of tiling window managers, try again.
PHP 5.4 recently was released and it has a really cool new feature. So I did all the hard work of finding a ppa (ubuntu user thingy, stop me if I get to technical) and added it and upgraded. That was pretty hard core! Uber nerd!
Once, kernel features were desperately needed. Now? Meh, they are probably very nice but I can wait for others to test and add them. Everything just works so why risk breaking it?
MS has the same problem. XP and even more so Windows 7, just works. So how to sell Windows 8? And Linux ain't selling anything so why upgrade on my own when in a few months I can just run upgrade and have it all done for me?
Maybe I just gotten lazy. I would type more, but need a nap after so much hard key pressing. *Fluffs up cowboyneal for a pillow and cuddles up with his Linus blanky*
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What version if KDE are you running? I've never had that problem.
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That is the "Windows world" you are referring to. It is several decades behind Linux, as it incorporates the GUI into the kernel. Something nobody ever though was a good idea form the technology side, but needed by Microsoft so they can claim it is an integrated part in order to push the Internet Explorer.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
That's rubbish. I have a triple monitor setup and KDE will happily let me make a panel 100% of any one screen, or 100% of all three (if you wanted to do that for some insane reason) at any orientation.
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Why would anybody sane use Gnome or unity?
Hint to the Windows guys (they have never seen this after all): They are Window Managers, not in any way needed Linux components. In any sane OS design, you van use the GUI you like on top of the OS. Windows is one of those historical designs that force you to use a specific one, with all the massive drawbacks that architecture has.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Firefox is v 11 already! Get with the times Linux!
Well, it just seems highly unlikely that it wouldn't work for anyone else. I mean, it's a pretty basic feature and if I can do it with my pretty unusual and normally troublesome setup (triple monitors are not that well supported, although KDE does a good job), then I'd expect it to work with most people's. My point is, if it doesn't work for you, then it's a bug, so submit a bug report.
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Can we AT LAST boot linux without using any boot loaders? I have a 2 year old UEFI laptop and I can't even figure out how to boot Ubuntu on it :(
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Ahh, that was a cleansing sneeze.
That is the "Windows world" you are referring to. It is several decades behind Linux, as it incorporates the GUI into the kernel.
Back in the day....most people on the NT team were furious about the integration of graphics drivers into the kernel. Marketing/management wanted to phase out the non-NT-based systems, and their plan was to make a universal NT-based one that still ran games on cheap hardware. It was determined an acceptable tradeoff to do this integration, due to the lack of headless Windows systems of the day which could practically survive a GUI crash and still be useful. [shrug] People in the OS team were mad enough to quit over this, just like when TerminateThread was mandated as a "customer need":
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms686717(v=vs.85).aspx
If Linux (kernel) is "several decades ahead" of Windows (kernel), I'd frame that by saying it's driven by a relatively open process and not serving a single agenda. Companies like Google *don't* get to push everything they want into the kernel that everyone uses, just because they feel like it that day. Linus may dismiss the "freedom" aspect of it and consider it just expedience...but I think it's more than that...most days. :)
I'm guessing you don't know about SELinux? As in "written by the actual NSA"? Oh shit, it's been in the kernel for almost ten years! Go troll somewhere else.
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My point is, if it doesn't work for you, then it's a bug, so submit a bug report.
I see. It just sounded weird when you phrased it as "That's rubbish".
Or you could with 12 and 13 , not sure about current. A few irrelevant features stopped working but still ran happily.
OK, I admit to careless reactionary phrasing, but still, the point stands. The phrasing of the original post implied that KDE 'lacks the simplest functions' - which is untrue, hence the rubbish comment. The feature is there, and if it doesn't work for them, that's a bug, not lacking the feature itself.
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What a bunch of Sheldors. Every machine in our company that is not OSX is Linux or at least some flavor of *nix, thanks for 3.3 Linus et al. I was being facetious folks.
Actually Unix was alive and kicking when Bill was just an itch in his daddy's pants and also when he & Company purchased the software that was to be bastardized into.....I mean to become 'Windows New Technology Technology' (not a typo remember that NT stands for New Technology), which is why it bothers me when I see crap like Unity sharing the same hard drive with my Nixes. Windows will only become a leader when they actually lead rather than copy someone else's ideas, and copied quite poorly I might add. I still think the best platform for MS Windows was, is and always will be 35mm Slide.
Any real nerd worth his salt can operate an OS without a stinking GUI, the OS should be able to operate without GUI also. I found much humor in M$' announcement that the new Windows Server will be a command-line only OS with an optional GUI for the poser mouse jockeys.
According to my university lessons, the kernel and the drivers are the operating system, and everything else is shell and applications.
MS Windows should thus be considered a distribution (combining OS, shell and applications and an install mechanism).
Fair enough.
Sorry for my initial offensive comment -- for me too the taskbar fails to resize properly when changing screen size (in Virtualbox, so this happens pretty often, annoying), that's why I was felt the urge to be a bit hostile towards your "that's rubbish".
I've managed to get it up and running (am using it now), but I cannot upgrade the kernel because it only works on one version of the 3x kernel. When are they going to include these drivers by default?
Then there's the video drivers which don't work well either.
"useful idiots"
There is no such thing as a useful idiot unless that idiot is a fountain of money.
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AKA "average consumer".
NO, Linux is a kernel.
That's a lot more reasonable.
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OK, I admit to careless reactionary phrasing, but still, the point stands. The phrasing of the original post implied that KDE 'lacks the simplest functions' - which is untrue, hence the rubbish comment. The feature is there, and if it doesn't work for them, that's a bug, not lacking the feature itself.
I do think its a problem if one tries to add a new empty panel after deleting the default. KDE pulled out the resize button since the 3.x release; the panel won't occupy the full width until you add enough widgets on it; which i suppose indeed is very annoying. This isn't a bug, it appears they want it to work that way. There's more to the list of KDE stupidities, you cannot drag a widget in the panel to change its position; cannot add a desktop icon for your custom binary or script etc. Compared to GNOME 3 insanity though, KDE is still a very usable desktop.
Is it the third monitor that isn't well supported, or just multiple monitors in general?
I tried that, but it broke PulseAudio.
My guess is the GP was trying to write a joke based on the old SCO citation that Linux developers couldn't have made everything on their own (implying they stole part from SCO's code, and part from Windows). But whatever the intent was, the GP failed to communicate it.
Anyway, SCO jokes are as aged as compiling one's kernel.
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Well, for me KDE (or the way how KDE interfaces with xrandr) mostly fails even with two displays. Might be a problem with ATI's fglrx but it used to work with Gnome 2.x and it worls with with IceWM.
Oh, the beautiful gloss of greality!
Really? You've been able to run Android under an emulator on Linux for some time now. Except it actually works, whereas Metro is somewhat a non-starter.
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What's with all this being nice and apologising for perhaps sounding a tad rude? Don't you know where you are?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Do you have anything true to say about Windows in the last five years? Because otherwise you're spitting out lies and bullshit.
That's weird - I've found KDE to have the best support. You can actually manually assign the size of the desktops (mainly designed for stuff like Eyefinity where the displays are presented to the system as a single display) which may solve the issue for you, albeit at the cost of doing it manually.
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Nope, duals are really well supported these days, it's the triple that's the problem. XRandR (the good way to do it) only supports dual monitors - so you have to revert to Xinerama (which means no 3D accelleration). It's partly also down to the fact I have to have two graphics cards. I hear good things about Eyefinity - as it presents the three (or more) monitors to the OS as a single large screen - but this isn't availible on low end card (which I use both for cost and noise/heat reasons - my gaming PC is separate). I hear wayland also has much better support for multiple monitors, but that's a long way off. In short: Dual monitors are really well supported. XRandR is great, but it doesn't generalise to three monitors. Also there is the proprietary nVidia Twinview, which again is great for dual setups with nVidia cards. KDE's 4.x support is great, as was Gnome 2.x (3.x has no support for triples and poor support for duals).
-- Lattyware (www.lattyware.co.uk)
You just need to click on the cashew (or right click, panel settings - if there is no cashew, unlock the panel first) then drag the stoppers to change the size. As to dragging a widget, you can do that from the same view by dragging, and you can add an application launcher widget and point it to your custom binary or script. All of this stuff has been in there from the first KDE 4.x builds I used, even the really buggy first ones.
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More accurately: 95, Me, 7, 2003 etc should be considered (separate) distributions.
Windows 95 and Windows ME aren't operating systems according to Computer Science. An operating system has to control all resources of a computer, and neither Windows 95 nor Windows ME control the CPU, both not being time sharing systems. An application can get an exclusive lock on the CPU without Windows 95 nor Windows ME being able to get the control back from the application.
you'll need, oh, Dalvik and Android's windowing system which is not X11
In short: To run Android application, you'll need to run the Android userland.
The kernel is entirely irrelevant. If you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up.
Except that, in Android's case, the kernel *is* relevant.
The Android userland relies on quite a few modification of the kernel (mostyl to handle passing signals around).
Previously, the only way to run the android user-land, was on a special android linux kernel.
There was one special attempt to have Android run attop a stock distribution, done by Cannocical, and this didn't went much beyond experimental, because of the massive amount of patching involved. And thus the difficulty to maintain it, each time a new Android version emerges.
Now the necessary changes (or at least part of them, those needed for the user-land. Those needed for the power-saving are expected to arrive by Linux 3.4).
So you can either drop any of the latest stock vanilla linux kernel underneath your android system (as long as the vanilla kernel has driver for all needed hardware). And thus it will be much more easy for project such as CyanogenMod to feature the latest possible kernel (instead of an older version, because this was the latest available with the necessary changes.).
Or it's more easy for attemps like cannonical, to bring support for android user-land attop of a normal distribution (because now the default kernel can also contain the necessary plumbing, without needing as much patching as before).
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Windows 95 (and the later Windows ME) were preemptive multi-tasking operating systems. Unless you're considering the DOS mode that you could start them in. You must be thinking of Windows 3.1 and older, or the Mac OSes of the time which were cooperative multi-tasking systems.
the panel in XFCE will be 100% if i tell it to. not annoying at all.
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We need to stop developing for X and start doing things on Wayland.
Patches welcome.
Also, forget about X, we have Wayland now.
DOS wasn't a "mode" for Windows 95 it was the operating system that Windows 95 ran on top of. That is why you can boot into DOS and type "win" to run the Windows 95 DOS program. It is also why it's possible to run Windows 95 on top of DR-DOS and even DOSBox.
Windows 95 was no more an operating system than DOS Shell or GEOS was.
Linux is ok for cell phones and toy computers, but if you want to do any work, yu should probably stick to Windows.
How mature is Wayland - does it come standard w/ any distros? I know that KDE5 is supposed to have improved support for it, but how about the others - gnome, gnustep and so on? I'd really like to see KDE and GNUSTEP on Wayland, and Wayland itself not only on Linux but on the BSDs, Minix and Hurd as well.
Wayland is in active development, 0.85.0 was just released recently and Wayland already supports Qt, GTK, EFL, it also has a compositor called Weston and a few applications. I believe 1.0 is expected to be released this year.
I'd also love to see KDE and Gnome working with Wayland.
Some interesting videos of Wayland:
http://mirror.be.gbxs.net/video.fosdem.org//2012/maintracks/k.1.105/Wayland.webm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNXWT3ine7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Jvdo55RUU
Pre-emtive multi-tasking is not sufficient to fully control the CPU resource. It still requires support from the applications. Basicly pre-emptive multi-tasking created some kind of walled garden, where wellbehaving application were able to share the CPU, but each application was able to break out of the garden and lock the CPU. It is more or less comparable with today's sandbox in contemporary browsers, with the difference that the modern browsers have much thicker walls and security patroulling along the fences.
That Metro UI is probably protected by copyright laws and the closest anyone is gonna' come to that is Ubuntu with their Unity UI. Would be cool to see something like that in Fedora or one of the other big distros though.
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