I agree with you and the parent, but I think that people who pay for beta version are just as (ir)responsible as the companies that use "beta" as an excuse...
...if you buy only 15 songs a month, that's only one album, some people buy 2-3 (let's say 30 songs) let's recalculate for a longer period:
Assuming we'll live 50 more years: iTunes $17820 Napster $9000
Of course if you buy 15 or less songs per month you are better off with iTunes if you buy more you are better off with Napster ($15 is the break point in other words assuming you pay the rest of your life, otherwise the comment is true -- with Napster you remain with nothing if you cancel your account).
But I guess people will continue to download music for free.
First of all I don't have any problem signing my posts, I'm not ashamed of anything.
Please stop giving commands/sarcastic suggestion to other people -- that makes you look like an asshole.
1. I don't brag, it's not big deal, any idiot can learn (Bush knows at least 2 languages AFAIK). But I also know that many times the people who make mistakes speak their first language better than grammar Nazi you'll find here on slashdot. Not only this, but even people who know only one language and make mistakes should not be judged by that but by the content of what they say.
2. that "if you understand, shut the !#@$ up, if you don't: ask" was written as a general note. I stand by that statement. It's not intended to insult anybody in particular -- only those who feel target by it, and I won't feel bad about it.
3. And yes I realized that's from the movie (hint: it's stated in the title) I addressed the issue that him/movie raised what's that difficult to understand?
4. You started name calling and to give unrequested suggestions. Thank you, believe me, I take full accountability for my actions now and in general, I don't need a jerk to advise me when to sign my posts.
Oh. I'm so ashamed that I didn't get the joke 'cause I din't see Team America... I knew that missing that movie will haunt me. Damn! What I missed.... what I missed....
Actually is like this: WMDs: Check -- No troops than.
When US decieded to invade Irak I was sure Irak didn't have WMDs. Just think what would a atomic blast would do to an invading force and US would not even be able to respond in kind, because the invading force would be a legitimate military target.
Because some people don't speak English since they are born as you probably do. I speak 3 other languages for example and I make mistakes in English, I only hope you know 2 other languages as well as I do -- just to be on par with me.
Stop correcting people, did you understand what they wanted to communicate? yes? shut the fuck up, no? ask politely what did they want to say.
My web browser just blocked a pop-up (by the way it
s not the adware on my computer since I use Linux) Nice... if this is how they want to entice more customers... I don't see Google dethroned anytime soon.
If each one of us save $500 for Windows and the crap that you have to install on it and use Linux than we'll be able to buy vaccine for all the cildren in the world.
Since when was the purpose of Linux to gain market share?
Purpose of Linux? Linux doesn't have purpose, people who use it have. The post clearly said "we must unite if we want to get more market share". So the question is: do we want?
It would be terrible for Apple, but great for music lovers, it would mean that there are other music players on market better and/or cheaper than iPods, also it would mean more competition. Anyway, relax, it's not very likely to happen in the near future.
There are plenty of Linux users who don't care so much about freedom and propietary formats
Unfortunatelly that's true. Oh, well, you'll pay more down the road and the computer and its software (and the companies that provides them) will control you and not the other way round, but you'll get a pretty GUI. Life is about trade-offs...
so why does it even matter if you give a fuck?
It matters if I give a fuck if the person next to me gives a fuck if you give a fuck... than companies will give a fuck too and will behave.
If people would be more wise will care more about open formats.
I'm sorry, but when you buy Apple you still buy a closed system with proprietary HW,SW,formats, iTunes/iPod lockin, etc. What's free about that? The fact that they make use of free projects? That's freedom for them not for users.
what's more important: amount of food or sleep?
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It's strange that I didn't see lately any study about the correlation between obesity and the amount of food eaten.
No, your remark was that you, as a member of the target market...
No, read my post again, where did I use the word "target"? I said: "I am in the market..." I try to be pretty precise in expression although English is not my native tongue
If Apple wants its market share to grow, it's that 80% it needs to worry about first and foremost, and it can worry about appeasing the miniscule-but-growing number of freedom fighters later, if at all.
I didn't try to give market recepies to Apple, I just made a point. But, I don't think going for the 80% of the market and freedom are mutually exclusive. Actually, the first people to use Apple would be the one disgusted with Microsoft, most of Linux users are the people in that category so theoretically it would be very easy for Apple to target Linux users (that's around 5% of the market -- just imagine Apple capturing around 10% of the market) That's not possible I think partially because the lack of freedom aura that Apple has formed during the years. Apple has (and it's trying now to get rid of) the "expensive" aura but it also have "lack of choices, lock in, proprietary HW/SW/formats" image that is not going in their favor.
Ms. Economist, I'm not sure if you notice but this two positions are not necessarily contradictory (in fact both are kind of pointing the obvious)
1. His/her remark: iPod is not targeted to people who: want ogg vorbis, want cheap battery replacement, want open standars and in general value liberty (in the computing world at least) 2. My remark: There are people that value freedom and will not buy this kind of products. ---------- Buttom line, both statements are true. The first one probably makes more sense from the economic point of view, but I think you underestimate the number of people who value freedom.
BTW, computational freedom is not that evident as other types of freedom, but it's just as adictive, once you taste it you don't want to give it up (I know I feel this regarding Linux) that's a growing market segment whatever you say. Apple might target thier products to people that don't care about freedom, but it might as well make economic sense to include other people too.
My impression is that Apple has lost PR/marketing battle in this field long time ago and people who care a little bit about freedom will not use their products as long as they have a better choice.
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I agree with you and the parent, but I think that people who pay for beta version are just as (ir)responsible as the companies that use "beta" as an excuse...
Usually beta software is for free, so if someone tries "beta" software for free they shouldn't expect support -- they should submit bugs though.
Any generalization is simply not true.
...if you buy only 15 songs a month, that's only one album, some people buy 2-3 (let's say 30 songs) let's recalculate for a longer period:
Assuming we'll live 50 more years:
iTunes $17820
Napster $9000
Of course if you buy 15 or less songs per month you are better off with iTunes if you buy more you are better off with Napster ($15 is the break point in other words assuming you pay the rest of your life, otherwise the comment is true -- with Napster you remain with nothing if you cancel your account).
But I guess people will continue to download music for free.
Cooler name?
First of all I don't have any problem signing my posts, I'm not ashamed of anything.
Please stop giving commands/sarcastic suggestion to other people -- that makes you look like an asshole.
1. I don't brag, it's not big deal, any idiot can learn (Bush knows at least 2 languages AFAIK). But I also know that many times the people who make mistakes speak their first language better than grammar Nazi you'll find here on slashdot. Not only this, but even people who know only one language and make mistakes should not be judged by that but by the content of what they say.
2. that "if you understand, shut the !#@$ up, if you don't: ask" was written as a general note. I stand by that statement. It's not intended to insult anybody in particular -- only those who feel target by it, and I won't feel bad about it.
3. And yes I realized that's from the movie (hint: it's stated in the title) I addressed the issue that him/movie raised what's that difficult to understand?
4. You started name calling and to give unrequested suggestions. Thank you, believe me, I take full accountability for my actions now and in general, I don't need a jerk to advise me when to sign my posts.
And you just missed looking like an asshole. Yours trully. Anonymous
Oh. I'm so ashamed that I didn't get the joke 'cause I din't see Team America... I knew that missing that movie will haunt me. Damn! What I missed.... what I missed....
Actually is like this:
WMDs: Check -- No troops than.
When US decieded to invade Irak I was sure Irak didn't have WMDs. Just think what would a atomic blast would do to an invading force and US would not even be able to respond in kind, because the invading force would be a legitimate military target.
Because some people don't speak English since they are born as you probably do. I speak 3 other languages for example and I make mistakes in English, I only hope you know 2 other languages as well as I do -- just to be on par with me. Stop correcting people, did you understand what they wanted to communicate? yes? shut the fuck up, no? ask politely what did they want to say.
Will Microsoft ever compete in price with Linux?
My web browser just blocked a pop-up (by the way it s not the adware on my computer since I use Linux)
Nice... if this is how they want to entice more customers... I don't see Google dethroned anytime soon.
Don't eat the mouse!
If each one of us save $500 for Windows and the crap that you have to install on it and use Linux than we'll be able to buy vaccine for all the cildren in the world.
So God created the universe by mistake...
Since when was the purpose of Linux to gain market share?
Purpose of Linux? Linux doesn't have purpose, people who use it have. The post clearly said "we must unite if we want to get more market share". So the question is: do we want?
It would be terrible for Apple, but great for music lovers, it would mean that there are other music players on market better and/or cheaper than iPods, also it would mean more competition. Anyway, relax, it's not very likely to happen in the near future.
You know what I meant especially that I was talking about Linux, but go on play stupid, I refuse to believe that you really are.
There are plenty of Linux users who don't care so much about freedom and propietary formats
Unfortunatelly that's true. Oh, well, you'll pay more down the road and the computer and its software (and the companies that provides them) will control you and not the other way round, but you'll get a pretty GUI. Life is about trade-offs...
so why does it even matter if you give a fuck?
It matters if I give a fuck if the person next to me gives a fuck if you give a fuck... than companies will give a fuck too and will behave.
If people would be more wise will care more about open formats.
I'm sorry, but when you buy Apple you still buy a closed system with proprietary HW,SW,formats, iTunes/iPod lockin, etc. What's free about that? The fact that they make use of free projects? That's freedom for them not for users.
It's strange that I didn't see lately any study about the correlation between obesity and the amount of food eaten.
No, your remark was that you, as a member of the target market...
..." I try to be pretty precise in expression although English is not my native tongue
No, read my post again, where did I use the word "target"? I said: "I am in the market
If Apple wants its market share to grow, it's that 80% it needs to worry about first and foremost, and it can worry about appeasing the miniscule-but-growing number of freedom fighters later, if at all.
I didn't try to give market recepies to Apple, I just made a point. But, I don't think going for the 80% of the market and freedom are mutually exclusive. Actually, the first people to use Apple would be the one disgusted with Microsoft, most of Linux users are the people in that category so theoretically it would be very easy for Apple to target Linux users (that's around 5% of the market -- just imagine Apple capturing around 10% of the market) That's not possible I think partially because the lack of freedom aura that Apple has formed during the years. Apple has (and it's trying now to get rid of) the "expensive" aura but it also have "lack of choices, lock in, proprietary HW/SW/formats" image that is not going in their favor.
Ms. Economist,
I'm not sure if you notice but this two positions are not necessarily contradictory (in fact both are kind of pointing the obvious)
1. His/her remark: iPod is not targeted to people who: want ogg vorbis, want cheap battery replacement, want open standars and in general value liberty (in the computing world at least)
2. My remark: There are people that value freedom and will not buy this kind of products.
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Buttom line, both statements are true. The first one probably makes more sense from the economic point of view, but I think you underestimate the number of people who value freedom.
BTW, computational freedom is not that evident as other types of freedom, but it's just as adictive, once you taste it you don't want to give it up (I know I feel this regarding Linux) that's a growing market segment whatever you say. Apple might target thier products to people that don't care about freedom, but it might as well make economic sense to include other people too.
My impression is that Apple has lost PR/marketing battle in this field long time ago and people who care a little bit about freedom will not use their products as long as they have a better choice.
Wouldn't this make the initial comment a tautology?
Excuse me Mr. Economist. How would you define the "target market"? Would it be: "people who buy flash players"? Than yes, I am in the market.